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| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by ogajim(m): 3:25pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Joagbaje: Pastor JoAgbaje: Honesty is an INTEGRAL part of Christianity, I already quoted Matthew 26:51-54 for you from Jesus himself, what else do you want? You are missing the point of Apostle Paul's request, he had been arrested before without doing nothing wrong, Paul's nephew overheard a discussion about killing Paul and those folks' promise not to eat anything until Paul was killed so your nonsensical quote was about the Commander putting a team together to protect Paul from the Jews as a way of getting him to Rome to get a FAIR trial. First you should never ever compare Apostle Paul to these pimps, secondly, why would anyone want to kill these money hungry "pastors" if it is not something that happened outside of their "pastoral" duties? Nigeria(most parts  ) is safe to practice Christianity last time I checked so tell me why your "mogs" need pilot cars, armed police escorts, etc. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 3:30pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
. I made similar point . Im wondering if our good friends deliberately overlooked them. There is a balance to these things. We just love criticism. Without consideration.  . If Jesus, GOD. ran for cover and safety . . . .The critics should start with him first. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Enigma(m): 3:35pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
EarsWide: It is what they do in Chris Embassy and WoF circles generally: they drag Jesus Christ down to a level lower than themselves and they elevate themselves into "gods".  |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 3:37pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
It's bible dear. Don't create a personal religious image for Jesus . When we deal with truth look at it critically. This only reveal your double standard hypocrisy. Jesus can run for cover. Arrange for sword but if it's an MOG That does that , especially your opaks . He'll will be let loose . Pls let's do righteous judgement. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Enigma(m): 3:47pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
^^^ Answer not |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 3:51pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
^^^^ thanks for reminding me jare. I didnt want to answer but I considered verse 5 Proverbs 26:5 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. Sometimes it's necessary. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Enigma(m): 3:53pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Another category of person not worth answering is ------ the fraudster, just as you have been conclusively proved to be.  |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 3:57pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Yes , by enemies of truths. Jesus was a frausdter too . According to blind men. John 7:12 12 There was a lot of discussion about him among the crowds. Some said, "He's a wonderful man," while others said, "No, he's duping the public." Satan has children in every generation. Their attacks are always gospel preachers. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Enigma(m): 4:02pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
No, You were actually caught in fraud --- not just accused; remember Akhozem? Fraudster kawai! |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 4:05pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Thsts Nonsense!. I've explained that. My explanation was the truth. Why are you changing topic. Come and explain scriptures here.don't derail the topic. When you guys get hooked ,you look for personal attacks. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by newmi(m): 4:06pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
@Joagbaje Don't border yourself with these people, any wise person would ponder on those scriptures you presented. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by donnie(m): 4:18pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Joagbaje: |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 4:24pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Abi Donnie, The thread has dragged too long . Let's hit the nail on the head. Is it wrong to have security when there seems to be a need ? Why was paul requesting security? He had 200 soldiers , 70 horsemen and 200 spear men to protect him from 40 men Why were the disciples of christ carrying sword Why did Jesus ask them to sell their clothes to buy sword Why did Jesus hide dodged,and escaped. Why didn't he call the angels? If Jesus was wrong. Let every MOG be wrong . But if Jesus didn't do wrong by having men arround as security or him dodging and escaping from being mobbed. why don't we just leave the matter and go to bed. Instead of going in circles like market women. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by ogajim(m): 4:36pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Aren't you guys sore from patting yourselves on the back already? Apostle Paul didn't request protection from the army as you are leading some to believe, rather the Commander arranged protection for him after finding out he was a "Roman citizen" and thus had a right under the law to appeal his case before Caesar in Rome, his nephew overheard 40 men basically swearing an oath not to eat until they killed Paul. You guys are something else, private jets, tithes and now private armies? come on man! |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by mabell: 4:41pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
let me ask is it wrong for a christian to employ a security man at his house gate or mayguard or should he employ angels instead to work at his gate |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 4:45pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
ogajim: What are You saying? Why did Paul have to go and report "Threat to life" complain to the centurion.? What was he expecting. Look at newmi post again. Why didn't he ignore the information since angels are on guard. What of Jesus escape from the mob? And hiding.? My point is for us to understand the balance . There are times God demonstrates deliverance from danger in a spectacular way. There are other times he grants us wisdom to go about it other ways. Take for example when God hindered paul from going to Asia . Couldnt God have gone with him. Why did he stop paul. When we humble ourselves we will have the full comprehension of the many sides of God. Than looking at things from one myopic angle. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by ogajim(m): 4:52pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
mabell: Mabell; I thank God I have no such need, Nigerian "rich folks" tend to be very lazy and since labor is cheap, no need to take their fat behinds out of the car and open the gate themselves, heck you won't need the gate in the first place if there was a level of fairness in every facet of life there. Joagbaje: |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Nobody: 7:02pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
My deduction is that our pastors really dont believe that God is able to protect them from evildoers. PENNYWISE GBAM!!!! |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Azibalua(f): 7:09pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
ogajim:Interesting Since you do not believe in security from henceforth sleep with only window nets, no burglary please, also no DOGS Then ensure that you give a strict warning to the security not to forget the vigilante in your area never to come near your house. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by ogajim(m): 7:19pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Azibalua: I don't need burglary proof windows because they're not needed thank you, that's different from having body guards from what I know and remember. I have a pastor who doesn't need body guards or anyone to carry his Bible from and to the Pulpit. Humility is the CORNERSTONE of Christianity. Maybe you need to check your self if you're a pastor and feel the need to hire armed guards, way different from one that opens and closes the gate to the mansion(?) |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by nuclearboy(m): 7:26pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
Pastors definitely need bodyguards because they are afraid life will catch up with them. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by dare2think: 7:27pm On Apr 22, 2011 |
It is such a futile effort trying to reason with ignorant minds, But I'll give it a go. These men of God stand in their pulpits and tell us how God spoke to them to pass on informations to us, Fair enough. These men of God stand in front of congregation and perform miracles, i.e cripple walk, blind see, hiv disappears, cancer gone, and in the case of Joagbaje raise the dead, Fair enough. These men of God are God's flag bearers with whom he has bestow his absolute powers on them to share his glory. Then these same Men are scared (or why do they need security) about unknown that may happen that they seek refuge in humans inform of Security uniform.  Talk about double standards. Are we talking about the same mighty God? The mighty God that can cause earthquake in the twinkle of an eye. Yet God's flag bearers are worried about earthly consequences. Why are they afraid that they don't want to see heaven quickly? Jokers. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by ogajim(m): 3:29am On Apr 24, 2011 |
^^^ Let me add that these same "MOGs" can pray for anything under the sun and "it happens", and "God" speaks to them, they can raise the "dead", etc yet can't stop a bullet (assuming that to be the case) with their name on it? Worse is their attempt to assign the role of "body guards" the Jesus' Disciples! We need to pray for those who are being "pastored" by these obvious pretenders. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 6:41am On Apr 24, 2011 |
Security is not about bullet, it's about order and ofcourse safety. I asked you questions. Why did Jesus hide? Why did Jesus disciples carry swords. Why did Jesus run from the mob. Lets start from there? Before we deal with paul case and some others. And pls Lets your response be intelligent . |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by free123: 7:22am On Apr 24, 2011 |
@jo Jesus hid because He had not completed His job. When His job was done He simply submitted Himself. His disciples neva carried swords to kill anyone. When the fight broke out at the time of Jesus' arrest, why did Peter go for the ear? Why didnt he go for the neck or stomach? So jo, when will u complete ur job as a pastor? Is it when u go to afghanistan, iran, iraq or gaza? |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 7:39am On Apr 24, 2011 |
free123: Beautiful . That's my point. Security is a simple common sense. His disciples neva carried swords to kill anyone. i agree . The MOGs being attacked in this thread didn't carry security to kill anyone either. It's a preventative measure. If Jesus was justified to protect himself. Why would someone say that a pastor with security is in the flesh. What are we arguing about?. Why did disciples carry swords ? Luke 22:36 36 Then said he unto them. . . . he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. The disciples acted as security for Jesus also. They obviously carried sword about and jesus was aware. He said those who have no sword should buy. Look at the next verse. Luke 22:38 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. Security makes it difficult for evil to take place. So jo, when will u complete your job as a pastor? Let's leave Jo out of discussion. Let's deal with Topic. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Nobody: 8:46am On Apr 24, 2011 |
Like Pastor Jo Houdini said, Jesus performed miracles but he still needed bodyguards. So the MOGs are just following the rules laid out by the original 'MOG" who actually was god/son of god/word of god/. Jesus could walk on water and defy all natural laws but that's where his super powers ended. He needed bodyguards becuase there were no miracles for stab wounds. He reattached the soldier's ear after peter lobbed it off but somehow even this act in the presence of Roman witnesses wasn't enough for them to believe that he was a god!!!!! Same thing with the modern day jesus' known as MOGs. You can Personally I would love to see a MOG stop a bullet but even jesus' spokesman known as the A MOG leaking from his skull and surviving without medical help? That's the only miracle I will accept for the existence of their god. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 8:52am On Apr 24, 2011 |
You don't have a part in this. You don't belong to the church. An MOG is a free citizen and entitled to security like anyone else. So that's how you should see it. Leave church matter for church people and their God. You should rather observe from civic perspective. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Nobody: 8:57am On Apr 24, 2011 |
Joagbaje: lol, that's all Im doing. I'm observing. Observing humans and their superstitions. I definitely believe they need security. Celebrities are in danger at all times from their crazed fans or maybe someone looking for a quick payday. I just thought the MOGs have a personal friend who does magic and tells them things. If I had a friend like that, I wouldn't need bodyguards. Just saying  |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by free123: 9:36am On Apr 24, 2011 |
jo u need to read the whole chapter u quoted to understand it well. Did Jesus asked them to fight for Him with the sword? - NO Did He actually need human security when He could command host of angels to do the job for Him? What actually were the swords for? To kill people or scare them away? -NO Lesson that he who lives by the sword dies by the sword? -YES Common sense will tell us that two swords wouldn't have been enough to secure Jesus against the priests,captains and multitude coming for Him. This is as simple as ABC, Jesus did not need human security. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by Joagbaje(m): 9:45am On Apr 24, 2011 |
free123: Neither did the MOGs ask police to shoot anyone with the gun. Common sense will tell us that two swords wouldn't have been enough to secure Jesus against the priests,captains and multitude coming for Him. You've not answered the questions. Why did they carry swords? Was Jesus not aware that they carried swords? Why did he tell the others that didn't have sword to buy one? . Pls explain. |
| Re: Pastors And Body Guards. by free123: 10:08am On Apr 24, 2011 |
go through my post again u will find the answer |
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