BeastOfNoNation:

Feminism sounds feminine for a reason. Men have all the pathways to success and the freedom to do as they see fit. Women don't have those. So feminists fight for the rights of women so that we too can succeed. True feminism don't attack men. They attack systems put in place to oppress women. That's why there are male feminists. That's why a feminist can also be a maninist. It's about equal rights.

pinceprinz:


I'm pretty young FYI ... However, I feel adults were once kids and kids will grow up to be adults . The difference btwn adulthood and childhood I feel is that graduation from being naïve to being leery . So don't blame 'younger ones'

BeastOfNoNation:


Are you sure my story makes no sense because other people made sense of it. Where did you learn to read?

pinceprinz:


I was reading through the dictionary of life today and I couldn't find equality . That word doesn't exist sir! Equality is a complete illusion to be sincere , it's a mere wish af the heart

all4naija:

The reason it sounds feminine is because it is female agenda to discriminate. The easy pathway to success for men(which is actually not easy at times, excepting in some culture or family that wants male to get educated and have the female get married off early)and freedom you talk about are more like cultural privileges and no intelligent man would see that as something very important. That seems to be common in nations that oppress women and it is very common among religious circles.

However, feminism is not doing women better justice for equality because it discriminates against men. It only talks about women rights rather than both sexes. This is my first time of seeing the words 'male feminist'. It doesn't make sense though. It only points out a hypocritical notion to prove that men are supporting the 'discriminating' feminist movement so that it can be seen as effective and right. Equality is more meaningful and less discriminating when compared with feminism.

If it is about it equal rights as you claimed then let's treat it as gender equality rather than feminism!

BeastOfNoNation:


There can be equal rights between men and women

all4naija:

The reason it sounds feminine is because it is female agenda to discriminate. The easy pathway to success for men(which is actually not easy at times, excepting in some culture or family that wants male to get educated and have the female get married off early)and freedom you talk about are more like cultural privileges and no intelligent man would see that as something very important. That seems to be common in nations that oppress women and it is very common among religious circles.

However, feminism is not doing women better justice for equality because it discriminates against men. It only talks about women rights rather than both sexes. This is my first time of seeing the words 'male feminist'. It doesn't make sense though. It only points out a hypocritical notion to prove that men are supporting the 'discriminating' feminist movement so that it can be seen as effective and right. Equality is more meaningful and less discriminating when compared with feminism.

If it is about it equal rights as you claimed then let's treat it as gender equality rather than feminism!

aim5:


True usually younger males who are puss.y whooped have little to no fatherly influence in their lives. And if they did, then they probably got possessed by the Spirit of Almighty simp.

pinceprinz:


I was reading through the dictionary of life today and I couldn't find equality . That word doesn't exist sir! Equality is a complete illusion to be sincere , it's a mere wish af the heart

BeastOfNoNation:


e·qual·i·ty
əˈkwälədē/
noun
the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities.

Is the idea of racial equality a complete illusion? Is it something that should not be fought for? Would you like to live in the UK and be considered a second class citizen because you're black? Don't tell me equality doesn't exist.

pinceprinz:



lol. Just go on and start comparing the arm muscle of males and females in the same age range dear, are they equal?

That tells you that men were created to have the 'power'.


Again, just go on and start comparing the faces af men and women within the same age range, which is more pretty?

That tells you women were made to be the salt of life.


You see, life is designed in such a way as to allow for sharing the different responsibilities. The man to be the head, and the woman the neck. The moment the neck wants to perform the same task as the head, there comes real wahala.

So, I opine that u stop wasting precious time anticipating for equality, rather , concentrate on getting better with your responsibilities as a woman.

BeastOfNoNation:


FEMINISM IS NOT DISCRIMINATION!! I have said this so many times! Feminists are not fighting for men's rights because MEN ALREADY HAVE RIGHTS. feminists aren't fighting for an easy way out. Feminists aren't fighting for handouts. Feminists are fighting to be allowed to do what they want. They don't want any more societal and religious restrictions. Feminists are NOT saying "whatever a man can do, a woman can do better". They ARE saying that "whatever a man can do, a woman can do also." Feminists are not arguing for MORE rights than men. They are arguing for EQUAL rights with men. I don't understand how you're not seeing this?

all4naija:

I disagree with you. That is completely absurd and unacceptable. The online dictionary definition of 'equality' is 'the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities ''. That means there are those(men) who are exercising these as privileges to either oppress or feel comfortable. In reality that is what should be addressed because it has been seen to exist in the society where women are continuously objectified and treated lesser than men. The process to have those rights on a balance for both genders is called equality or gender equality. This is happening in many countries where women become CEOS, presidents, ministers,etc.

Why wouldn't you think it is an illusion when you don't know gender equality exist in the first place?

all4naija:

I disagree with you. That is completely absurd and unacceptable. The online dictionary definition of 'equality' is 'the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities ''. That means there are those(men) who are exercising these as privileges to either oppress or feel comfortable. In reality that is what should be addressed because it has been seen to exist in the society where women are continuously objectified and treated lesser than men. The process to have those rights on a balance for both genders is called equality or gender equality. This is happening in many countries where women become CEOS, presidents, ministers,etc.

Why wouldn't you think it is an illusion when you don't know gender equality exist in the first place?

pinceprinz:


That women are objectified in the sense of treating them as mere 'slaves' is a big sin according to mee! BUT, objectify in the physical/concrete sense is real and true . Most women dress_up , make-up and even make over to look good for us (men) .

Lol, you're a very confused man. Looking back in time , there have always been women who'd stand out . Efunsetan Aniwura is my witness , Efunroye Tinubu is also. That there are women heading states, parastatals etc aint evidences the equality you're blindly envisaging for is seeing limelight when you compare them with the number af males holding that kinda position . So, shut up and rethink

BeastOfNoNation:


What are my responsibilities as a woman?

BeastOfNoNation:


I agree with everything you've said here. So I don't know why the definition of feminism has been skewed. It's not female domination. It is gender equality

all4naija:


I never said it is discrimination in a nutshell, I said it discriminates against men looking at it from the point of view it's centered around women rights only. Men are equally oppressed by women as well as society not just in the same magnitude as women though. That is the major differences. To fight for those rights and for the opposite sex not to feel discriminated, because the idea men are oppressing women due to the privileges handed down to them by society,creates this scenario of self-centeredness. A nature of introverts. That is not what equality is all about.

You seems to be leaving out the important part of feminism is not about equality because it has already been known and treated as such. Even United Nation used the word gender equality to address such issue not feminism. The ideology of 'fighting for easy way out' is not only discriminating to the opposite sex but selfish. That is not to be equal in rights.

Let us call equality what it is and feminism what it is. Equality is encompassing in granting equal rights to both genders and feminism is almost the opposite.

all4naija:

You possibly didn't comprehend my post. I would advise you reread it for better understanding.

pinceprinz:


I've told you a basic one up there sweet

Accept that the man is meant to have the 'power' first and foremost no matter who you are or what you become

pinceprinz:


I do man. Your referral when you were like change should catch up with 'societies where
women are continuously objectified and treated lesser than men ' was your major point .

I agreed with the objectified by condemning it outrightly but did not fail to remind u women are beings who by nature wants to be objectified, they want to be beautiful for us 'men' (they want to please us). Now what do u call a person who's bent on / meant to in this case, please others? Is he not a 'slave'

pinceprinz:


I do man. Your referral when you were like change should catch up with 'societies where
women are continuously objectified and treated lesser than men ' was your major point .

I agreed with the objectified by condemning it outrightly but did not fail to remind u women are beings who by nature wants to be objectified, they want to be beautiful for us 'men' (they want to please us). Now what do u call a person who's bent on / meant to in this case, please others? Is he not a 'slave'

BeastOfNoNation:


Now I believe you are a terrible person. Women are slaves?? women who have self-respect do not dress to please men. They dress to be presentable and to feel good. Do you dress up to impress women? No you don't. You dress up to feel good about yourself or look presentable.

all4naija:
The society made it that way! It supposed not to be so.

BeastOfNoNation:

God forbid. I don't accept that.

pinceprinz:



Not yet! I'm worse off when its that you decide to understand me not . I was saying slave asin supporter when I said that dear, now don't make me feel you're dumb honey

BeastOfNoNation:


fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Just because an issue focuses on a specific aspect doesn't mean it discriminates against others. If I work for an organization that specifically feeds Nigerian children, am I discriminating against other African children? No! I'm just choosing to focus on one issue at a time.

Feminism is just focusing on securing women's rights because men's rights are already secured.

pinceprinz:


Then I feel you don't belong here. Go to Jupiter and live in solitary

BeastOfNoNation:


I don't send what you think of me. You have already insulted me enough. According to you I'm a slave and I can never be number one in anything as long as a man is there.

all4naija:

If we must accept the definition as in the bold part of your post then equality is no longer the issue but competition. To advocate for equality from a lopsided angel(it is even not culturally inclusive in your definition) is not equality. Equality has to do with both sides balanced for it to be equal. Gender equality fits that not feminism. In fact, feminism is so confusing that it has metamorphosed into different variants of movement and it is no longer appeal to people.

Your view on men rights is flawed. The secured men rights you talked about are sometimes more of a burden. The society is to be blamed for that not men(as you rightly said earlier). There are many women who are also against feminism.