KingEbukasBlog:


Only God judges and his judgement determines who would gnash his teeth in Hell or enjoy the guerdons of salvation in Heaven

You just love spewing thrash as usual. Slavery is wrong according to the bible but Abraham had slaves so that means he did the wrong things and will end up in hell as you said right?

dalaman:


You just love spewing thrash as usual. Slavery is wrong according to the bible but Abraham had slaves so that means he did the wrong things and will end up in hell as you said right?

The ignorant talk from the atheist . Now what is the remission of sin - forgiveness . And how did God forgive during that dispensation , animal sacrifices . During the early bible times , the children of God sought for His mercy and forgiveness using burnt offerings . They did these too to propitiate God .

KingEbukasBlog:


The ignorant talk from the atheist . Now what is the remission of sin - forgiveness . And how did God forgive during that dispensation , animal sacrifices . During the early bible times , the children of God sought for His mercy and forgiveness using burnt offerings . They did these too to propitiate God .

So they kept their slaves and still burnt animals as sacrifice? No where was it written that Abraham freed his slaves. So it was ok for them to keep their slaves and continue to sacrifice animals?

dalaman:


So they kept their slaves and still burnt animals as sacrifice? No where was it written that Abraham freed his slaves. So it was ok for them to keep their slaves and continue to sacrifice animals?

You just said that it was not written if Abraham freed his slaves .

Anyway , slavery was very common during the early bible times , and owning slaves was considered normal and proper at Abraham's time in history. Later Jewish law did not prohibit slavery, but it did prohibit mistreatment of slaves and allowed them to gain their freedom after six years. Also note that factotums were regarded as slaves . And people gave themselves to be enslaved as a way of paying their debt .

In some parts of the word , slave trade still exists . And there are many forms of slavery E.g forced marriages .

The word "slave" has also been used to express a general dependency to somebody else. This system was practiced in many cases, such as in ancient Persia. Farm labour was also seen as a form slavery where people partake in all the farm drudgery for payment .

Apparently , you have a parochial view of what slavery is .

KingEbukasBlog:

How does asking you to prove something imply ignorance
God is the wisest being in existence .
Only God judges and his judgement determines who would gnash his teeth in Hell or enjoy the guerdons of salvation in Heaven

@ bold Someday you will have to tell me where you get all these words from.

KingEbukasBlog:


You just said that it was not written if Abraham freed his slaves .

Anyway , slavery was very common during the early bible times , and owning slaves was considered normal and proper at Abraham's time in history. Later Jewish law did not prohibit slavery, but it did prohibit mistreatment of slaves and allowed them to gain their freedom after six years. Also note that factotums were regarded as slaves . And people gave themselves to be enslaved as a way of paying their debt .

In some parts of the word , slave trade still exists . And there are many forms of slavery E.g forced marriages .

The word "slave" has also been used to express a general dependency to somebody else. This system was practiced in many cases, such as in ancient Persia. Farm labour was also seen as a form slavery where people partake in all the farm drudgery for payment .

Apparently , you have a parochial view of what slavery is .

This entry from you alone destroys your baseless assumption that morality is objective. If morality is objective people would still be owning slaves as Abraham and other figures in the bible did. But because morality is fluid and evolves, it had changed so much that any God that tells people to sell their daughters into slavery the way your God did in the bible will be looked at with disgust. My friend you have no feet to stand on on these issues go and take a nap. The bible fully sanctions and promotes slavery simply because the people back then didn't see anything wrong with it. The bible is against homosexuality while many people today are not against it because our morality has evolved. Many people today do not see anything wrong in being gay. Being gay is not objectively right or wrong. The fact that openly being gay in the USA is not a crime it is a crime in Nigeria shows you that morality is not objective. If it were objective both countries will have the same position on it. You just keep making empty assumptions always.

dalaman:


This entry from you alone destroys your baseless assumption that morality is objective.

Do you know what objective morality is ? I can see you don't even know what you are opposing .

KingEbukasBlog:


Do you know what objective morality is ? I can see you don't even know what you are opposing .

Of course I know what objective morality is. But let's assume I don't know what it is . Can you please educate me on it.

UyiIredia:


@ bold Someday you will have to tell me where you get all these words from.

... I play lots of online games on words and their meanings . So every month I get 200 to 500 new words that I need to master . I practice this new words in my discussions with the atheists . I have little interest in reaching a consensus , I just want to master my new words .

If you notice sha , there are "big words" I stopped using because I have mastered them. Its a new month and I've got new words to master .

dalaman:


Of course I know what objective morality is. But let's assume I don't know what it is . Can you please educate me on it.

I want to know what you know about objective morality .

KingEbukasBlog:


I want to know what you know about objective morality .

Tell me what you know. Let's assume I don't.

KingEbukasBlog:


Is incest right or wrong to you ? That's the question

Wrong.

dalaman:


Tell me what you know. Let's assume I don't.

Hmmm ... I asked the question first and I dont want to assume you don't know . So can you define Objective morality please .

Weah96:


Wrong.

Why is it wrong to you ? On what basis do you see incest - sex for pleasure with a sibling - as immoral ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Hmmm ... I asked the question first and I dont want to assume you don't know . So can you define Objective morality please .

Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true.

dalaman:


Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true.

IMO , this is imprecise . Anyway , God is the source of objective morality right ? This means at a particular time if He says something is right or wrong you take it that way , right ? This also means he determines what should be seen as morally right or wrong , am I right ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Why is it wrong to you ? On what basis do you see incest - sex for pleasure with a sibling - as immoral ?

On the same basis that slavery is wrong. And genocide. I stay in America, and there are laws against those things already.

If I grew up in a country where incest was a cultural right of passage, I wouldn't think it was bad.
Slavery was the prevailing system for pale people. Slavery and r.ape go hand in hand. In fact, it was really r.ape that served as a motivation for pales to capture Africans.
African boys were ass ra.ped firs and then handed copies of the bible. Then the girls were ass rap.ed.

Why is slavery bad to you? Can you answer my question?

KingEbukasBlog:


IMO , this is imprecise . Anyway , God is the source of objective morality right ? This means at a particular time if He says something is right or wrong you take it that way , right ? This also means he determines what should be seen as morally right or wrong , am I right ?

According to your belief based on indoctrination but not based on reality. There are many different Gods that men have invented over time. No God creates any laws or moral code of conduct. Humans do that and use their various God's as an enforcing mechanism that is why laws and codes of conduct vary from society to society and from period in time. The law that says that homosexuality is right or wrong was not created by any God but by human beings.

Weah96:


On the same basis that slavery is wrong. And genocide. I stay in America, and there are laws against those things already.

If I grew up in a country where incest was a cultural right of passage, I wouldn't think it was bad.
Slavery was the prevailing system for pale people. Slavery and r.ape go hand in hand. In fact, it was really r.ape that served as a motivation for pales to capture Africans.
African boys were ass ra.ped firs and then handed copies of the bible. Then the girls were ass rap.ed.

Why is slavery bad to you? Can you answer my question?

So it is wrong because the societal laws say its wrong ? Do you realise that someone's milieu can determine what he sees as wrong or right ?
And I want to ask , is every wrong thing immoral ?

Slavery is bad because I subscribe to objective morality . God is the source of morality . I elaborated on what slavery is to Dalaman .

dalaman:

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According to your belief based on indoctrination but not based on reality. There are many different Gods that men have invented over time. No God creates any laws or moral code of conduct. Humans do that and use their various God's as an enforcing mechanism that is why laws and codes of conduct vary from society to society and from period in time. The law that says that homosexuality is right or wrong was not created by any God but by human beings.[/s]

This is an opinion , stop being dogmatic about it . Answer my questions please .

KingEbukasBlog:


So it is wrong because the societal laws say its wrong ? Do you realise that someone's milieu can determine what he sees as wrong or right ?
And I want to ask is every wrong thing immoral ?

Slavery is bad because I subscribe to objective morality . God is the source of morality . I elaborated on what slavery is to Dalaman .

American Christians living in the South during reconstruction felt differently.

Defenders of slavery noted that in the Bible, Abraham had slaves. They point to the Ten Commandments, noting that "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, ... nor his manservant, nor his maidservant." [size=18pt]In the New Testament, Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master, and, although slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, Jesus never spoke out against it.[/size]



Defenders of slavery argued that the institution was divine, and that it brought Christianity to the heathen from across the ocean. Slavery was, according to this argument, a good thing for the enslaved. John C. Calhoun said, "Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually."

JAMES THORNWELL, a minister, wrote in 1860, "[size=18pt]The parties in this conflict are not merely Abolitionists and slaveholders, they are Atheists, Socialists, Communists, Red Republicans, Jacobins on the one side[/size] and the friends of order and regulated freedom on the other.

http://www.ushistory.org/us/27f.asp

KingEbukasBlog:


This is an opinion , stop being dogmatic about it . Answer my questions please .

You've failed to show that humans are not the creators of moral systems and moral codes of conduct.

Weah96:


American Christians living in the South during reconstruction felt differently.


http://www.ushistory.org/us/27f.asp

Please can you answer my questions first . After which , your not-so-relevant reference to history will be addressed . Thanks

dalaman:


You've failed to show that humans are not the creators of moral systems and moral codes of conduct.

In some societies , humans are . In the Christian society , God is .

KingEbukasBlog:


In some societies , humans are . In the Christian society , God is .

In all societies humans are. In the christians society God was used as an enforcing mechanism for moral code of conducts that humans invented. Now that we live in secular societis our various legislative bodies create and form our moral codes of conducts and laws. No God is needed in our world today for creating or enforcing any moral code of conduct as it was done on the past.

dalaman:


In all societies humans are. In the christians society God was used as an enforcing mechanism for moral code of conducts that humans invented. Now that we live in secular societis our various legislative bodies create and form our moral codes of conducts and laws. No God is needed in our world today for creating or enforcing any moral code of conduct as it was done on the past.

Do not pontificate when you know so little . This is your opinion . Ive asked you to provide proof that man invented God . I need to know the humans involved in this invention . Until you provide proof , I'll not pay attention to this rigmarole .

KingEbukasBlog:


Please can you answer my questions first . After which , your not-so-relevant reference to history will be addressed . Thanks

I did. But like a dementia patient, you asked me the same questions again. Here are the fool.ish questions which I've already answered.

So it is wrong because the societal laws say its wrong ? Do you realise that someone's milieu can determine what he sees as wrong or right ?

Murder is legally wrong. People commit murder on camera regardless.

Pastors rape more children a year than rebel groups. What are you saying?
Now address my previous comment.

Weah96:


I did. But like a dementia patient, you asked me the same questions again. Here are the fool.ish questions which I've already answered.



Murder is legally wrong. People commit murder on camera regardless.

Pastors rape more children a year than rebel groups. What are you saying?
Now address my previous comment.

Your foolish reference to history makes no sense . Take a look at this , I hope your little mind will understand .

Exodus 20:4

4"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

John 4:23–24

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The Catholic Church have over 1.6 billion members .

Below is a statue of Christ in a Catholic Church .

Weah96:


I did. But like a dementia patient, you asked me the same questions again. Here are the fool.ish questions which I've already answered.



Murder is legally wrong. People commit murder on camera regardless.

Pastors rape more children a year than rebel groups. What are you saying?
Now address my previous comment.

Can you point out exactly how America's history BS is a relevant response to my question . Or do you suffer from memory loss ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Do not pontificate when you know so little . This is your opinion . Ive asked you to provide proof that man invented God . I need to know the humans involved in this invention . Until you provide proof , I'll not pay attention to this rigmarole .

The fact that there are many different Gods is enough proof. How did the idea of Allah come about? What about Obatala and Amadioha? All these Gods were invented by humans just the way yours was also invented by humans. Your great grand parents that lived 600 years ago had their own God's which is different from the one you are worshiping today. They also invented theirs. All God's are man.made that is why there are different Gods and different religions.

KingEbukasBlog:


Can you point out exactly how America's history BS is a relevant response to my question . Or do you suffer from memory loss ?

You get your morals from the bible, the same book they used to justify slavery.

How can you say slavery is bad when other Christians said it was divinely sanctioned? Where is the objectivity? It's the same bible from 1860.

Atheists were calling slavery bad in 1860 when preachers were selling the idea as your gods own.

dalaman:


The fact that there are many different Gods is enough proof. How did the idea of Allah come about? What about Obatala and Amadioha? All these Gods were invented by humans just the way yours was also invented by humans. Your great grand parents that lived 600 years ago had their own God's which is different from the one you are worshiping today. They also invented theirs. All God's are man.made that is why there are different Gods and different religions.

Another rigmarole with no proof . You really do have enough time to talk nonsense .Where you sacked from your job which was given to you in lieu of other Christians who applied for the same job .