SEFAGO:

yeah yeah, whatever-

fraud

SEFAGO:

1) What you claim you saw was total bullshit
2) juju doesn't exist
3) Again, it doesnt exist
4) The existence of the supernatural is at best, speculative

SEFAGO:

Why are ppl snakes, owls and dogs? why can't they be animals from a different country like pandas- why do they have to fit the animals of a certain locale?

SEFAGO:

I can say that because (1) I know christianity is crap; and I am sure it is crap
(2) it is possible that juju exists but if it does it would have more power than christianity
(3) so i am still surprised that men of god no dey fear when they go against the supposed real juju except if they themselves get their power from juju
(4) The majority of white ppl know that christianinty is a made up religion even during the eary 20th century so if they can unfearful go into a medicine man's house with no fear, and no protection don't you think that they were aware that juju is false

SEFAGO, do you hold any religious belief

Next, the typical questions they are seeking answers to just to convince them or for them to learn what they think is impossible.

The same person states categorically that juju does not exist.

The same person states categorically that it is possible juju exists.

The same person states categorically that christianity does not exist.

The same person states categorically that if juju exists then it must have more powers than christianity that he claims does not exist.

SEFAGO:

None, zero, and it is unlikely i will ever will. It is impossible to believe in something that has no logical proof.

As i said,lesser minds cannot grasp advanced logic. Try again (maybe hammering it into your peanut brain would help)- if juju has so many inconsistencies it is likely that it doesn't exist. The presence of inconsistencies make it impossible for something to exist

Mugu, I am assuming it exists- it must be able to meet these reuirements (if it cannot meet this requirement, then it doesn't exist). This is very popular in philosophy- I am not going to dispel your belief without considering it- but if considering it shows so much inconsistencies then it is illogical for it to exist.

Sad, yes, I might be writing far below my standard but that is because i dont consider anyone here to be in the same intellectual level. When you are in rome behave like the romans

399 Forums / Islam for Muslims / Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible on: September 22, 2006, 06:04 AM
Men you guys are not really smart. The exact date of the gospel of barnabas cannot be authenticated. If you are foolish enough to think that the bible was bound together from the beginning then you are all fools. Several scriptures were used by early christians which are not accepted now as inspired books of God. The gospel of barnabas could have been written a few centuries after the death of Jesus then gradually changed to is now available. For example, the Gospel according to Mark had several versions( That is what I was tAUGHT IN CLASS, i idn't say it was true). Also the revelations was not accepted at an authentic book by the early christians. If you read the last chapters of the gospel of mark you would see that the gospel was written by a roman(mark was a roman christian convert) because of the reference to people coming back from the dead. While the gospel of Matthew made no reference to such since it was written by a jew- jews even up till now don't believe in the resurrection of the dead.
Concerning Senator Allen, I used to be part of his campaigning team(dropped out because of school work). Anyway not me save my opinions about Islam because to be sincere I am really scared of muslims and what they can do.

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SEFAGO:

None, zero, and it is unlikely i will ever will. It is impossible to believe in something that has no logical proof.

As i said,lesser minds cannot grasp advanced logic. Try again (maybe hammering it into your peanut brain would help)- if juju has so many inconsistencies it is likely that it doesn't exist. The presence of inconsistencies make it impossible for something to exist

Mugu, I am assuming it exists- it must be able to meet these reuirements (if it cannot meet this requirement, then it doesn't exist). This is very popular in philosophy- I am not going to dispel your belief without considering it- but if considering it shows so much inconsistencies then it is illogical for it to exist.

Sad, yes, I might be writing far below my standard but that is because i dont consider anyone here to be in the same intellectual level. When you are in rome behave like the romans

Afam
RichyBlack
SEFAGO
9jaganja

This issue is very interesting. Afam raised a very important point by challenging us to disclaim juju and at the same uphold some of the fantastic stories in the bible which by and large look like juju. RichyBlack fell into the trap; all his attempt to reconcile both position looks pathetic. 9jaganja highlight the discrepancies, SEFAGO understood the fact and excuse himself.

SEFAGO:

None, zero, and it is unlikely i will ever will. It is impossible to believe in something that has no logical proof.

SEFAGO:



That was what I was looking for before i commented on your experience . Religious views. For all of us rational agnostics/atheists- we are aware that the christian religion is a major fraud- not because we have anything against God (or maybe Satan possessed us and is deceiving us) but because we have decided to learn about our beliefs, examine and question them- not taking them based on faith (faith is not enough alone to justify holding a religious belief since muslims have faith and christians would argue that muslims end up in hell)


I can say that because (1) I know christianity is crap; and I am sure it is crap
(2) it is possible that juju exists but if it does it would have more power than christianity
(3) so i am still surprised that men of god no dey fear when they go against the supposed real juju except if they themselves get their power from juju
(4) The majority of white ppl know that christianinty is a made up religion even during the eary 20th century so if they can unfearful go into a medicine man's house with no fear, and no protection don't you think that they were aware that juju is false

In July 1996 my little brother was diagnosed with brain tumor
He went for surgery to remove it but due to the delicate nature of the cancer, all of it couldnt be removed and he had to go for chemo and radiation
None of it wasnt working, and to make it worse his head was swelling at an abnormal rate and he was opted to take another surgery to reduce the swelling, but his chances of living though it were very slim.
My mom objected to it, and the doctors got a lawyer and over ruled my mom.

The night before the surgery, my brother said he saw a man in all white, reaching over to him in the hospital.
He thought it was a doctor coming to take him away and he called my mom (who was at his bedside)
and he shook my mom until she woke up, but no one was there.
The next morning the doctors came and took my brother away.
before he went for his surgery the doctors scanned his head,
all of the fluids that was causing his swelling and the rest of the cancer was GONE.
He has been in remission ever since.

SEFAGO:

yay, mad people . Or in Yoruba w[b]e[/b]r[b]e[/b].

platinumnk:

Be careful what you say, this is my own witness

In July 1996 my little brother was diagnosed with brain tumor
He went for surgery to remove it but due to the delicate nature of the cancer, all of it couldnt be removed and he had to go for chemo and radiation
None of it wasnt working, and to make it worse his head was swelling at an abnormal rate and he was opted to take another surgery to reduce the swelling, but his chances of living though it were very slim.
My mom objected to it, and the doctors got a lawyer and over ruled my mom.

The night before the surgery, my brother said he saw a man in all white, reaching over to him in the hospital.
He thought it was a doctor coming to take him away and he called my mom (who was at his bedside)
and he shook my mom until she woke up, but no one was there.
The next morning the doctors came and took my brother away.
before he went for his surgery the doctors scanned his head,
all of the fluids that was causing his swelling and the rest of the cancer was GONE.
He has been in remission ever since.

God is real / JUJU is real
God gives Satan power to decieve , but ultimately God has all the power.
There are fakery on both sides, Pastors faking miracles and Juju magicians faking tricks

But both are real.

naijaking1:

Anecdotal. Brain tumors have been know to shrink, disappear, and go into remission. I'm happy for your brother and your family, but there's really nothing magical about the remission, it's medicine, not juju.

You all should pray that the rulers of the power of the world should not wage war against you. Go and ask the advice pastor adeboye gave to the late ALAKE of EGBA land's queen when she wanted to prevent the cult group in burying him. YOU ALL ARE FOOLS If you don't beleive in the existence of juju.

platinumnk:

Ok, the brain tumor dissapeared, then what happened to the fluids? Where did they drain to? Please help me know because the whole medical team could not find the source, unless you telling me you know more than a team of trained neurosurgeons.

And what about the man in white? His hospital room was locked, no one could have entered.

And this was not JUJU it was the power of GOD.

Like i said, hard for people that havent experienced it to reason with it.

And who says we dont have witches in the States?

I live here and trust me, we have witches who are well know, and practices, I met one.

naijaking1:

There is something called the blood-brain barrier that handles fluids in the brain. Mind you the brain has a lot of electrical ctivities, some of which we interpret as vision, dream, and personal awarness. Remember I said it's anecdotal. If the neurosurgeons agreed with you that it's something miraculous the way you're describing it, they would have since rushed to be the first to publish it.
Beliveing that things we don't know is juju or a miracle is understandable, it makes us feel better.

wirinet:
I want to point out that the human mind is capable of accommodating contradictions, without being hypocritical. Most I know a lot of Christians that believes literally in the Bible but do not believe in Juju. Even the Europeans that brought Christianity to Us did not believe in all our Juju and babalawos, they desecrated our shines and took away our sacred idols and objects. That is the way the mind works. Another example is that you will see a lot of our Born again friends (especially the ladies), visiting babalawos when they encounter serious problems, only to be seen in church the next sunday singling " Babalawo Power Powerless Power, Jesus Power Super Power".

Once again, I will repeat that this is not something you debate. It is something you encounter. Only fools try to debate a spiritual experience

SEFAGO:

well then i am a fool for seeking the truth.

enitan2002:

You all should pray that the rulers of the power of the world should not wage war against you. Go and ask the advice pastor adeboye gave to the late ALAKE of EGBA land's queen when she wanted to prevent the cult group in burying him. YOU ALL ARE FOOLS If you don't beleive in the existence of juju.