be there saying its a sin, when jesus himself probably had the hots with mary magdalene

Take time o!

Oh dear, i better go off and prepare she will soon be here,

Sin ko, sin ni.

The Trinidad and tobago lady is suffering from the understanding of biblical grammer and it's a shame they have no national dialect for her to adequately grasp the full theology of the biblical phrases so i dont really blame her.

And should in case she's looking back to the atrocities she's done, hence i advise her not look but humbly admit and confess her self destruction so that she could be forgiven.

Right On Deep Sight!! 59 and Lovin' It!!

I am surprised as I read that SO many, SO called believers are SO unlearned!!  It is obvious that a lot of people that are posting haven't done much studying and are just piggy backing off what someone taught them, or going on what they think the words in the bible, or what ever they use really means.  Study please so that your words will have some kind of validity.  Simply quoting scripture is of no value without understanding and wisdom.  Most of us know the same scriptures being quoted, nothing has been proven by the quote.  I'm 59 years old, been around awhile, and from what I have read, and from people I have talked to, no one has shown or proven where premarital sex is fornication!!  I'm still waiting. 

Many kudos for all of the scriptures written, and/or quoted that are SUPPOSE to prove that premarital sex is a sin, but they don't hold much water to me.  Remember in my previous post, I mentioned all the translations and how they change meanings, the life of the translator, people not studying the Hebrew and the Greek, all the hidden and lost books, there is more study needed!  Please stop posting the same scriptures over and over.  At this rate this topic will go on and on, repeating the same scriptures.  Let do some study, then bring it back to the table!!  I brought mine!!

Trini_girl if u ar a christian, the bible refers to people that behave as u do as fools simple as that

Do not let the devil prey on you with your insatiable sexual apetites.

Apparently, what is fornication?

People do twist the bible to suit their desires.

What is wrong is wrong.

End of story.

@Skyone: « #833 on: Yesterday at 07:49:24 PM »

The Trinidad and tobago lady is suffering from the understanding of biblical grammer and it's a shame they have no national dialect for her to adequately grasp the full theology of the biblical phrases so i dont really blame her.

And should in case she's looking back to the atrocities she's done, hence i advise her not look but humbly admit and confess her self destruction so that she could be forgiven.

Wats the national language of UK where Essex is located? English!

Whats the national language of Trinidad and Tobago? English.

Ogbeni Skyone, oro enu e ti le ju. To Trini- girl, english is the mother tongue, just like yoruba is my mother tongue, just like english is the mother tongue of Prince Harry.

Now take that as a way forward, as you soften your vise grip on her or anyone this blowing-by stoppage you are making, on nairaland, this time around!

sex is more than a physical action. it's a spiritual union. why would you want to be spiritually connected with someone other than your SPOUSE

that's why many many married men/women still are still attached to the 1st person they had sex with b4 they were married. they formed a spiritual bond with that person and it brings trouble into the marriage.

sex is about 2 spirits uniting in a God-blessed union. why waste time creating such a strong bond with your boyfriend or girlfriend? wait and create that bond with your spouse. 

africhika:

sex is more than a physical action. it's a spiritual union. why would you want to be spiritually connected with someone other than your SPOUSE

that's why many many married men/women still are still attached to the 1st person they had sex with b4 they were married. they formed a spiritual bond with that person and it brings trouble into the marriage.

sex is about 2 spirits uniting in a God-blessed union. why waste time creating such a strong bond with your boyfriend or girlfriend? wait and create that bond with your spouse.

Really? And pigs fly.

Of course sex is a purely physical affair. Spirits dont have genitals, much less testestorone and oestrogen, the sexual hormones.

If you want to commune spiritually with somebody, form a mental and spiritual bond by associating, interacting and sharing passions. Love, and be involved in that person's life spiritually. You hardly need to see that persons genitals to form a spiritual bond. If that's the case none of us can have a spiritual bond with God, since its impossible to have sex with him!

Get real! Sex is a physical act designed by nature for the specific purpose of ensuring the survival and propagation of the species.

If sex is a spiritual act, do you think a spiritual bond is formed in cases of rape? ? ?

Right on Deep Sight

No one has addressed my August 29th, 12:06pm post yet, I'm waiting!!

FORNICATION

Illicit sex relations outside of Scriptural marriage. The Hebrew verb za‧nah′ and its related forms convey the idea of harlotry, immoral intercourse, fornication, or prostitution. (Ge 38:24; Ex 34:16; Ho 1:2; Le 19:29) The Greek word translated “fornication” is por‧nei′a. Regarding the meanings of por‧nei′a, B. F. Westcott in his book Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians (1906, p. 76) says: “This is a general term for all unlawful intercourse, (I) adultery: Hos. ii. 2, 4 (LXX.); Matt. v. 32; xix. 9; (2) unlawful marriage, I Cor. v. I; (3) fornication, the common sense as here [Eph 5:3].” Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 693) defines por‧nei′a as “prostitution, unchastity, fornication, of every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse.” Porneia is understood to involve the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human or a beast), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) The unlawful act of a rapist is fornication, but, of course, that does not make the person who is forcibly raped also a fornicator.

When God performed the first human marriage he said: “That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.” (Ge 2:24) Here the standard set for man and woman was monogamy, and promiscuous sex relationship was ruled out. Also, no divorce and remarriage to another was anticipated.

In patriarchal society God’s faithful servants hated fornication, whether between single, engaged, or married persons, and it was considered a sin against God.—Ge 34:1, 2, 6, 7, 31; 38:24-26; 39:7-9.

Under the Law. Under the Mosaic Law, a man committing fornication with an unengaged girl was required to marry the girl and to pay her father the purchase price for brides (50 silver shekels; $110), and he could not divorce her all his days. Even if her father refused to give him the girl in marriage, the man had to pay the purchase price to the father. (Ex 22:16, 17; De 22:28, 29) However, if the girl was engaged, the man was to be stoned to death. If the girl screamed when she was attacked, she was not to be punished, but if the engaged girl failed to scream (thereby indicating consent), she was also put to death.—De 22:23-27.

The sanctity of marriage was emphasized by the law that punished with death a girl who married under the false pretense of being a virgin, having committed fornication secretly. If her husband falsely charged her with such a crime, it was regarded as bringing great reproach on her father’s house. For his slanderous action, the man was to be “disciplined” by the judges, perhaps by beating, and fined 100 silver shekels ($220), the money then being given to the father. (De 22:13-21) Prostitution of a priest’s daughter brought disgrace on his sacred office. She was to be killed, then burned as something detestable. (Le 21:9; see also Le 19:29.) Fornication between married persons (adultery) was a violation of the seventh commandment and merited the death penalty for both parties.—Ex 20:14; De 5:18; 22:22.

If a man committed fornication with a servant girl who had been designated for another man, but who had not been redeemed or freed, punishment was to take place, but they were not to be put to death. (Le 19:20-22) Evidently this was because the woman was not yet free and in full control of her actions, as a free engaged girl would be. The redemption price had not yet been paid, or at least not fully paid, and she was still a bondservant to her master.

When the mercenary prophet Balaam could not bring a curse upon Israel by divination, he found a way to bring them under God’s displeasure by appealing to wrong desire for sexual relations. By means of the women of Moab he seduced the Israelites into practicing the filthy phallic worship of the Baal of Peor, for which 24,000 of the sons of Israel died.—Nu 25:1-9; 1Co 10:8 (likely 1,000 heads of the people were killed and hung on stakes [Nu 25:4] and the rest were destroyed by the sword or the plague).

olabowale:

@Skyone: « #833 on: Yesterday at 07:49:24 PM » Wats the national language of UK where Essex is located? English!

Whats the national language of Trinidad and Tobago? English.

Ogbeni Skyone, oro enu e ti le ju. To Trini- girl, english is the mother tongue, just like yoruba is my mother tongue, just like english is the mother tongue of Prince Harry.

Now take that as a way forward, as you soften your vise grip on her or anyone this blowing-by stoppage you are making, on nairaland, this time around!

No i believe it's either a broken english or the famous patwa in the Caribean island therefore she may have problem with sophisticated composed english grammer perhaps sophisticated for her level.

E so ooto oro ni pa post yii and i'm sure you know the truth or what does the quran have to say about it.

You believed wrongly, man. Just like your belief in 3 Gods, and you think they are 1 God!

olabowale:

You believed wrongly, man. Just like your belief in 3 Gods, and you think they are 1 God!

I caught you again huh

Do you want to start a debate on the HOLY TRINITY= ALMIGHTY GOD.?

if you say pre- marital sex is not a sin or fornication how come people doing it don't do it with confident
still they hide about it,
look wedaa u like or not keeping on doing your fi=an-ce and prrtend it's nothing.
all though wedaa u like hear or not hear God in heaven has alot of things to juge on the last day.

===still strongn===

Okay, let's just put it like this:

If premarital sex with a person you love and plan to marry is a sin, and assuming you are a born again Christian (meaning you have accepted Christ as your Saviour), it's not like you will be sent to Hell for it. Yes, you should avoid sinning against God, but it happens because we are human and God knows we are imperfect. As long as you are saved and assuming that premarital sex is a sin in any case, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HELL!!! Saved people do not go to Hell. God does not revoke your Salvation. The only unpardonable sin is the sin of rejecting Christ.
Christ died for our sins why? Because we all sin!
So to settle this; those of you who believe that any form of premarital sex, regardless of circumstance, is a sin, don't have premarital sex! Simple as that.
And if you do NOT believe it is a sin under the circumstance that you are in love and committed, go ahead and have at it.
It's all a matter of personal interpretation and choice.
Yes, there is a wrong answer, but it has become very clear to me that we don't know what the wrong answer is.
So with that, follow your personal beliefs and I guess someday, we will all find out for sure.
In the meantime, don't judge people who have premarital sex or fornicate, or commit ANY sin for that matter.
Jesus DID say "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" (basically saying that nobody is without sin, and thus nobody should throw stones, THAT is quite clear).

Kai Bible quoters don come again ooo . Na so so bible quoting.

OMG!!! You know what? I am just never going to have sex at all. Sex is such a complicated thing. Even after marriage, I'm just never going to do it. Not for religious reasons. But because it just seems like it makes things more complicated than they need to be. Relationships are hard enough as it is, why bring in sex to make it worse?
I'm lucky I have never had sex before.
I don't know about the rest of you who don't believe that premarital sex is a sin, but I'm just not going to take my chances with sex at any point. You all can do what you want. Celibacy just seems simpler to me.

   quote from Deep Sight:  Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #841 on: August 31, 2009, 04:08 PM » 

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Really? And pigs fly.

Of course sex is a purely physical affair. Spirits dont have genitals, much less testestorone and oestrogen, the sexual hormones.

If you want to commune spiritually with somebody, form a mental and spiritual bond by associating, interacting and sharing passions. Love, and be involved in that person's life spiritually. You hardly need to see that persons genitals to form a spiritual bond. If that's the case none of us can have a spiritual bond with God, since its impossible to have sex with him!

Get real! Sex is a physical act designed by nature for the specific purpose of ensuring the survival and propagation of the species.

If sex is a spiritual act, do you think a spiritual bond is formed in cases of rape? ? ?

i agree to disagree. sex isn't just for procreation. i don't think so. "none of us can have a spiritual bond with GOd because we can't have sex with him." LOL. sex isn't the only way to bond.
something happens when you have intercourse. something beyond the physical. esp. btw a married couple. that's just my belief.

the meaning of fornication has really been twisted

the issue of premarital sex should not be ignored.In that it has negative spiritual impact on any individual engaged in it.Also look at the ethical aspect,no person will be bold enough to say pubicly that he or she is having premarital sex.any act of sex within the contest of marriage is sin befoe the eyes of God.

the issue of premarital sex should not be ignored.In that it has negative spiritual impact on any individual engaged in it.Also look at the ethical aspect,no person will be bold enough to say pubicly that he or she is having premarital sex.any act of sex within the contest of marriage is sin befoe the eyes of God.

the issue of premarital sex should not be ignored.In that it has negative spiritual impact on any individual engaged in it.Also look at the ethical aspect,no person will be bold enough to say pubicly that he or she is having premarital sex.any act of sex within the contest of marriage is sin befoe the eyes of God.

Pre marital sex is a sin and a one of the sins God hate with passion even thou i am not pure but i know without any contradiction i am a sinner but it is a sin period.dONT TRY TO QUOTE THE BIBLE TO SUIT YOUR SELF

We need no argument here.
Premarital sex is sin.
Fornication is sin.
Both are the same and mean unlawful sex.
The argument above is in its totality, vain.(Ephesians 3:6)
Whether you call it premarital sex or fornication, the Bible makes it absolutely clear that all unlawful sex ie sex before marriage/sex outside marriage/sex with any other person apart from your lawfully wedded partner is SIN.
You may define the word fornication to suit your own interest but the Bible makes it clear that fornication/premarital sex and all forms of unlawful sex is unchastity (1 corinth 6:18 & 10:.
Sex was designed and created for marriage to be expressed by a couple in a lawful marital setting (Galatians 1:27-28) .
Any sex outside the confine of a lawful marriage is SIN before the Almighty God though it may be acceptable before men.
Your definition, and how you may see it outside God's word, does not matter.
what matters and will stand the test of time is what God says about it because God does not change and his words will not go unfulfilled.
So,its God's definition that matters.
So beware so that you fall not into error because the wrath of God is coming very soon upon the children of disobedience.(Eph 5:3-6)
Premarital sex and/or fornication are sexual immorality and uncleanness before GOD and in 1 corinthians 6:9, God says that no fornicator or sexually immoral will inherit his kingdom.
We are in the perilous time already.This is why we have such vain and baseless controversies all over.
Rather than face the basic issue which is the question of how you will  inherit eternity, people are bold enough to shamelessly celebrate sin even on the internet.
Why are we challenging God's word,by distortion and heresies?
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
JESUS IS COMING SOON!
REPENT NOW FOR TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE!
The decision is yours.

what is going on here?
there is no basis for an argument.
the bible is the word of God and it is the final authority
Before God, Pre-marital sex and fornication are the same: unlawful sex.
Sex was created and designed to be expressed within marriage, by a couple in a lawful marital setting as God designed it to be (Galatians 1:27-28)
So, any sex outside the context that God designed be it premarital sex or sex with any other man/woman apart from your lawfully wedded partner is a SIN before God.it becomes unlawful sex whether u believe it or not.
it is not how u define it to suit your interest that matters but what God says in his word that it is.
God does not not change neither will his words go unfulfilled.
Your definition or interpretation of fornication and premarital sex outside biblical context is what God calls vain words in Eph 3:6.
We are in the last day and Jesus is coming soon very soon
Rather than face the basic issue which is how to inherit eternity, men are busy celebrating sin even so shamelessly on the internet.
Why challenge the word of God, propagating philosophy, heresy and distorting what the sacred scriptures says about pre-marital sex and fornication.?
Believe it or not,premarital sex&fornication remains sexual immorality/uncleanness before God.it is a destruction of God's temple which are bodies are and whoever destroys God's temple here on earth,God will destroy in Hell.
What u sow is what u will reap.
stop distorting God's word

Trini you are just using this to justify yourself so that you won't feel guilty about sleeping with your boyfriend who has probably promised to marry you. Don't deceive yourself. And don't be deceived!

i have done my own research,


fornication is promiscuity whether married or single

ladygag,go gaga always

But without Pre-Marital Sex how will you know if your Husband-To-Be is Impotent?
I know of someone who made the mistake once and would not like anyone else to make the same mistake.