Obinoscopy:

But without Pre-Marital Sex how will you know if your Husband-To-Be is Impotent?
I made the mistake once and would not like anyone else to make the same mistake.

Your status reads "male". Are you a flaming gay? Why do you have a husband-to-be?

, i dont think so,

so what is fornication

for me , FORNICATION = PROMISCUITY

that really makes me laugh, is like praising the lord on sunday morning and on sunday night getting drunk and have sex with a woman that is not your wife, and with whome you don`t klnow if you are getting marry tomorrow,
NO THAT IS NOT FORNICATION IS BEING IPOCRATE, LIYING TO GOD, DECEIVING YOUR SELF AND ONE ONLY TICKET FOR HELL LATER!!!!

Since the first article that dealt with this issue back in August of 1995, we have received a few derisive responses advising us to "get real" and/or to avail ourselves of other selected methods of facing "reality." This second installment is a serious attempt to face reality regarding the issue of fornication.)

The Bible says that people have been fornicating for ages (2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 5:1; Jude 7). (Fornication comes from a Greek word, porneia, and is correctly understood as any form of sexual immorality.) The Bible says that even Christians have been guilty of committing fornication or immorality (2 Corinthians 12:20-21). This is a reality.

The Bible also says, however, that God has always condemned sexual immorality (Ephesians 5:3,5; 1 Corinthians 6:13,18; Hebrews 12:14-17; Colossians 3:5). This is a reality.

The Bible says that fornication or immorality is an abomination, and considered as "filthy" before God (Revelation 17:4). This is a reality.

In order to avoid immorality, the Bible says that God created marriage (1 Corinthians 7:1-2). In Hebrews 13:4, the Bible says, "Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge." This is a reality.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, the Bible says, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites," {10}"nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." This is a reality.

PROVERBS 23: 29-35 PROVERBS 20: 1-5

I JUST LAUGH AND LAUGH ABOUT YOU, GUYS AND GIRLS, PRE-MARRIAGE SEX IS A SIN.!!!!!!!!!!. BUT IF YOU DID IT BEFORE AND BE SAVED THEN YOU CAN KEEP YOUR SELF PURE, GOD HAVE FORGAVE YOU FOR THOSE PAST SINS,
DO NOT SELF INTERPRETATE THE BIBLE, THE BIBLE IS CLEAR BUT LOOKS LIKE NIGERIANS WANTS TO PRETEND TO BE CHRISTIAN AND THEN CONTINUE TO WORK FOR THE WORLD THINGS CREATED BY SATAN, KEEP GOING, YOUR ROAD IS CLEAR FOR HELL!!!

Is SEX after divorce a sin too ?

Is SEX after rape a sin ?

The Greek word for fornication is "PORNEIA" and not "CORINTHIAZOMAI" point of correction

I have recently been studying the meaning of fornication. We must believe the Bible provides the truth however sometimes people's interpretation leaves something to be desired.

Fornication is defined as sex between two unmarried persons. This definition is from an ordinary everyday dictionary so most definitely up for debate!

Right we all know what sex is, but to avoid confusion when I say sex I mean penetration of any kind. Sexual relations on the other hand, can really be extended to different levels; some may consider a peck on the check as having sexual conultations others may be able keep sex out of their minds even when they are faced with a naked body of their partner. The real judge here has to be God, He knows your heart, He knows if you are going to be roused from a simple peck on the check by a certain person!

Okay so let's look at the defintion of unmarried/married. Straight to the Bible we go,

Exodus 22:16-17

16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. 17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins."

Here a marriage is instigated by sex. So we proceed with the notion that you are married to to whoever you have sex with. Now Exodus 22:13-14
13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,"
Here we see that the man takes a wife and then lies with her, which we, in all intensive purposes, assume to be sex.
These two verses provide different ideas as to how a couple is married. So marriage is a topic clearly up for debate.
What we know is there are no references to the modern proceedings of marriage, like a big ceremony and exchanging of rings etc. in the Bible APART from a father giving his daughter away.
With the definition of marriage remaining Biblically undefined should we really choose to accept the definition of fornication which is in turn undefined?
With the world as it is these days with STDs, children out of wedlock etc. the dictionary definition of fornication is the best general definition and I can see why most Christians choose to live by it however we cannot nail down the real definition by scripture so is it really the best way to move ahead?
Promiscuous sex without intention to marry is definitely indentified as a sin in the Bible. However I struggle to find a straight forward way of declaring sex in a committed relationship (God will know full well if you are committed to each other) to be a sin. Further, I see no cast iron way to align pre-marital sex with fornication in the Bible.
The best way always has been and always will be Jesus, pray to Him and act on what you find He says to you. The more you pray the more your morals will align with His perfect morals, sins will feel wrong just like they should. God will also know if an apparent committed partner will stay so, this goes for people entering marriage as well.

It is a sin. The bible says "all unrigteousness is Sin" 1 Jn3 v4. We say Lord Forgive us of all our sins of fornication, Wash us clean by your precious blood

BenSays:

I have recently been studying the meaning of fornication. We must believe the Bible provides the truth however sometimes people's interpretation leaves something to be desired.

Fornication is defined as sex between two unmarried persons. This definition is from an ordinary everyday dictionary so most definitely up for debate!

Right we all know what sex is, but to avoid confusion when I say sex I mean penetration of any kind.

OK, so you are saying that it is ok if virgins continue to have MouthAction ? What about ANAL ? as long as they are not penetrating the VAGINA.

Trini girl is straining at semantics and playing around with definitions. The major religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) and others teach that sex before marriage of any kind is wrong.  It has been the same for generations and will not change because society's morals have.

BenSays:

The best way always has been and always will be Jesus, pray to Him and act on what you find He says to you. The more you pray the more your morals will align with His perfect morals, sins will feel wrong just like they should. God will also know if an apparent committed partner will stay so, this goes for people entering marriage as well.

The question is, does one have sex with them first to find out if an apparent partner (I like the way you put that) will stay so? 

More often than not we won't pray about it because we know very well what the response will be.  "There is a way that seems right to a man but the end leads to death."

u're making it sound automatic---- I know two deliverance ministers who planned to marry each other and both were active in the ministry.

After 7 years of courtship--- they didn't get married to each other. Some times, God many want us to experience some things.

@posakosa

Read my post again I think you will find I define sex to be penetration of ANY kind.

And yes Paul constantly speaks of how marriage provides a form of distraction from God's work. I never implied automatic occurances I just presented two constrasting Bible verses where a couple have sex before and then after marriage.

@N101

I can't think of a better way to put it than 'apparent partner', people in the world can be very deceiving and can lead you into thinking the deepest thought but I fully believe God will always guide you if you turn to Him with an open heart. I agree people are quite often apprehensive to pray into issues such as this but we have a perfect and all knowing God, we should be doing nothing but praying to Him! But no I don't believe sex is needed to know whether you will be with a partner for the rest of your life, sex is an expression of love but most definately is not love itself!

The Bible is God's word but we are imperfect translators and we have to accept that. I agree fornication has for many many years been defined as "sex between two unmarried persons" but for those many many years we have remained imperfect people! Just because, say, 99 billion people claim that paper clips will exist in heaven doesnt make it a cast iron fact.

I'm really not trying to be pedantic here, the I believe Bible tells us that calm debate is beneficial to cultivate stronger beliefs.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

, and if something stops the relationship before marriage, you get another man and on and on until you finally get to the right place.

You need to listen to yourself. I am not a saint but anyone that covers sin cannot prosper. Fornication is sex where there is no marraige contract.

If your younger sister age 16 decide to make friend with another boy and they told you they will marry, will you give them your room to have sex?

There cannot be commitment without going throught the normall procedure it takes.

If you are already doing it repent. and restitute your way.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

, and if something stops the relationship before marriage, you get another man and on and on until you finally get to the right place.

You need to listen to yourself.  I am not a saint but anyone that covers sin cannot prosper.  Fornication is sex where there is no marraige contract.

If your younger sister age 16 decide to make friend with another boy and they told you they will marry, will you give them your room to have sex?

There cannot be commitment without going throught the normall procedure it takes.

If you are already doing it repent.  and restitute your way.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

, and if something stops the relationship before marriage, you get another man and on and on until you finally get to the right place.

You need to listen to yourself.  I am not a saint but anyone that covers sin cannot prosper.  Fornication is sex where there is no marraige contract.

If your younger sister age 16 decide to make friend with another boy and they told you they will marry, will you give them your room to have sex?

There cannot be commitment without going throught the normall procedure it takes.

If you are already doing it repent.  and restitute your way.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

, and if something stops the relationship before marriage, you get another man and on and on until you finally get to the right place.

You need to listen to yourself.  I am not a saint but anyone that covers sin cannot prosper.  Fornication is sex where there is no marraige contract.

If your younger sister age 16 decide to make friend with another boy and they told you they will marry, will you give them your room to have sex?

There cannot be commitment without going throught the normall procedure it takes.

If you are already doing it repent.  and restitute your way.

^^and who is talking about a 16 yr old here, we are talking about 2 serious people in a very serious relationship!

, i mean 2 mature andsncere adults, no t children

otitokoro1:

Fornication is sex where there is no marraige contract.

Sorry but that sentance should read either 'I believe fornication to be, ' or 'I've been told fornication is, ' otherwise you are claiming to know the true defintion of fornication.

And you are using ridicule to try and prove your point, don't do that, it is an inferior form of argument. You claim there can be no commitment without going through the normal proceedure. What exactly is this proceedure and how is it founded? Does the Bible stipulate this proceedure?

And above everything why would you give up your own room for other people to have sex in? Especially your sister!

It is my belief that pre-marital sex is different from fornication. The verb "to fornicate" is derived from the Greek word
korinthiazomai,a word which was derived from the city of Corinth, where promiscuity and sexual immorality abounded like no where else and the corinthians worshipped the goddess of love (eros), Aphrodite.

There were over 1,000 love-peddlers in the temple of Aphrodite, so sexual promisuity was the norm.

In Paul's letter to the Corinthians he admonishes them to flee fornication, meaning avoid to avoid sexually promiscuous behaviour, sleeping with love-peddlers, and multiple sex partners.

This is different from pre marital sex.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

Although I do not condone sex with multiple partners, sex with your boyfriend or fiancee is fine, as long as you are both committed to each other and monogamous.

The floor is now open. god bless you sister tell them they dont understand.

Haba, this trini gal, do u love sex that much that u are voting for pre-marital sex? How do u handle these propaganda as u are encouraging the youths who may follow ur thread and face consequences. Too much of everything is bad.

Jonwesley:

Haba, this trini gal, do u love sex that much that u are voting for pre-marital sex? How do u handle these propaganda as u are encouraging the youths who may follow your thread and face consequences. Too much of everything is bad.

As far as I can tell 'this trini girl' (as you have so politely referred to her) loves her committed partner and therefore it is not a case of loving sex, more loving her partner. Sex is an expression of love and I would probably think it is unwise to love sex for just the act.

I would hope youths would seek their own knowledge and not just blindly follow and misinterpret what is in this forum. And yes, everything should have its own moderation but again this is an internal matter not for others to regulate!

Fornication simply means voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other.

There are many types of fornication, and adultery, extra-marital affairs, swinging, wilful Bleep'in and pre-marital sex are just special cases.

Pre-marital sex is a TYPE of fornication. QED.

Please I have this innocent question which has been bothering me:
Why did God allow us to have our Puberty at a young age of 16 when the ideal age for marriage is arround 25-27 years for we guys and girls.
Does it mean we have to endure our sexual activity for a whole 10 years!

Please I have this innocent question which has been bothering me:
Why did God allow us to have our Puberty at a young age of 16 when the ideal age for marriage is arround 25-27 years for we guys and girls.
Does it mean we have to endure our sexual activity for a whole 10 years!

@Obinoscopy: Why did God give you hands and feet at birth since you are not yet ready to use your hands to make money, and your legs to go from place to place in the name of business?

there is no big picture about pre-marital sex. quoting the bible to show its wrong will only weaken the christian argument. christianity frowns at polygamy and we often hear pastors say

God created man and gave him ONE woman, ONE

.what they fail to tell however is how much God favoured some rather unapologetic polygamists(Solomon, David and Abraham who bunked his maid).
i av mentioned it so many times that christianity has a very unhealthy and hypocritical attitude towards sex.

there is no big picture about pre-marital sex. quoting the bible to show its wrong will only weaken the christian argument. christianity frowns at polygamy and we often hear pastors say

God created man and gave him ONE woman, ONE

.
what they fail to tell however is how much God favoured some rather unapologetic polygamists(Solomon, David and Abraham who bunked his maid).
i av mentioned it so many times that christianity has a very unhealthy and hypocritical attitude towards sex.

ancel:

Fornication simply means voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other.

There are many types of fornication, and adultery, extra-marital affairs, swinging, wilful Bleep'in and pre-marital sex are just special cases.

Pre-marital sex is a TYPE of fornication. QED.

Fantastic! Another poster who does not know the need for referencing! From what source do you take this 'simple defintion'? Please don't say the Bible as the Bible does not define fornication.

Let's start having some discussion rather than stone headed fundamentalists riding into the conversation and declaring the 'right' answer. I think we just weaken the Bible when we do not try and dicuss the contents and bow to worldly opinions.

Kudos, BenSays. Rather than weaken the Bible, it can only crush your back & dash you into a thousand pieces. My definition is from a software dictionary called Wordweb, and expanded by my understanding. You can google the software, its very respectable.