Kobojunkie:

You still have not answered the question. How do you know he was not THOROUGHLY SCANNED?

How do you know this explosive was on him when he was SCANNED or Thoroughly SCANNED?  


This actually makes this even better. Now, following what you have above, Answer the questions please.

If, according to you, they can detect drugs even on those that swallowed them, and are NOT on a watch list, why were they unable to detect this thing strapped on this man? I mean consider that the druggies don’t even need to be on a watch list to be checked or even double checked.

OAM4J:

I get your drift.

I wonder too. Either the US security is totally flawed and over bloated (which now seems unlikely) or there is a conspiracy theory. Either way US security is f.ucked!

OAM4J:

I get your drift.

I wonder too. Either the US security is totally flawed and over bloated (which now seems unlikely) or there is a conspiracy theory. Either way US security is f.ucked!

wirinet:

People still have not been able to answer what the nature of this father report is. The press statement says he reported a missing child and not a terror threat.

Nigerians get sentimental on issues and prefers to call a spade an implement for excavating the ground.

macfarland:

This is just a cover-up,I bet you every muslim believe in killing in the name of their so called allah and they are all hell-bound.Tell me how one will derive joy in killing fellow human being.This is a wicked act and is condemable.The Northerners have now taken abroad the act of terrorism which they have been practicing in Nigeria for long, killing fellow innocent citizens in the name of religion.Very soon God will re-organize the country called NIGERIA. If this plot succeeded, there would have been a wild celeberation in Kastina, Kano and other Northern state. The UK and American Government should now know better where their problems can come from and not supporting the North politically all the time just to make sure they get a share of their Nigerial Oil coming from a empoorverished communities in the Southern Nigeria.

Give me a break.What type of parents are these so called Mutallab? This irresponsible father is busy chasing shadow and running after wealth at the expense of his family.Why did he dump the little boy in a boarding school in Lome during the time the young man was forming his character? His parents have themselves to blame.This is the only singular reason Nigeria as a nation is backward.Leave this kids to study in Nigeria,if you want them to study abroad,pack you bags and relocate and stay with them.This is yet a big lessons for those after fake status.You have succeeded in damaging already destroyed Nigeria image.God will destroy you all.This is just the beginning.I am with my family and the kids are happy and God fearing here in North America,highly educated and will be coming home after their training to wrestle power and chase the present crop of opportunists currently ruling Nigeria.

Nigeria will rise again,but not until all of you are disgraced /killed by God.What sort of parental upbringing was he given? Where on earth did he spend his 14 - 18 early years of overbloated life? Will common sense not tell any reasonable man that those years are the years when a young child (especially boys) needs to be strictly watched by guardians to groom them into reasonable human beings? Ere to this age bracket, the child is just young, naive and believes every thing can be got by wishful thinking and appealling to guardians (parents)! Within that age 14 -17yrs, adolesence sets in an the beast in the child comes out. It\'s quite natural as the child responds to hormonal changes in his or her system. That is the time when every child needs close marking or he or she makes and irreversible mistake in life. Such mistakes can come in form of not accepting education and good morales,inapproprate sexual orientation, violence to get demands met,etc.At this period, the child mental faculties fully develop for learning! Any right thinking parent keeps his/her eyes and attention to a child at this age bracket and follows up with serious discipline, admonition, and punishment for inapproprate behavour. The child needs to be brought to terms with the issue of cause and effect; where his/her actions are analysed for him/her to see the consequences which such actions/inactions can generate and how the actions/inactions can affect him/her in life. Very soon, the child reaches 18yrs when he or she can be legally held accountable for any misdeeds! Failure in proper grooming within these active 14th to 17th year definitely brings embarrassment and I\'m afraid the boy\'s case is a typical example! What would a boy be doing in Togo and UK (away from parental control) from his very early life? What did you expect from him? I\'m sure he has given you guys what you expected that is if at all you know what it takes to have a a good family more that marrying a harem of women and making babies like rabbits!

Another case is the issue of marrying many wives and not spending quality time with the children. No man is a real man unless he spends quality time with his family! Finding time to stay around, socialise and play with the kids, letting them know your true values in life. This sticks to them like glue. Enough of this polygamy rubbish! Still worried as an individual what morales your religion teaches children. My experience when I lived in Kaduna with a moslem neighbor was really horrible! My neighbor who is a junior and almost illiterate staff in a renowned Corporation was fortunate by all standards to work where he could make some money to plan a decent life and family. What did he do with the money? He ended up marrying many women and habored up to 25 people including wives, children and childrens wife and grand children in a 3 bed room company flat! The wives and children will urinate and defecate by their neighbors windows and backyard and the father will see nothing bad with that! The bloke comes up with an excuse that he has a large family. The wives and the children drink illicit gins and smoke hemp even in the man\'s presence and just last May, he married another wife into the congested house! Is that how children are tutored?
Your overbloated brat of a son who got bored eating the family money is as sure as gone for many years! Trust the FBI, they are not Nigeria Police who will accept bribes and let him go.
Find time to look inwards and give your best in time, energy and tutorship to your remaining children. He must have shared his ideas with others. You will need to be very tactical to find that out, otherwise, another one of them will embarrass you soon. Face up and tackle this! It\'s a life challenge. Let the world see the real man you are!

wirinet:

It is quite annoying when people absolve the father of the boy by his so called "reporting his son" to the authorities, because of the company his son keeps, that truly beats my reasoning. So if your son brings in armed robbers and cultist home ( because he is still being catered for by his father as we are not told he his employed yet), you go and report to authorities and someone tells me the father had done a perfect parenting Job.

Now that he had reported to relevant authorities and he had been caught, who will pay for his legal services and other services in the us.  If his son is about to carry cocaine to China and he becomes aware, I am sure he will alert the Chinese authorities so that he will be absolved of all responsibility after his son is caught and beheaded.

People still have not been able to answer what the nature of this father report is. The press statement says he reported a missing child and not a terror threat.

Nigerians get sentimental on issues and prefers to call a spade an implement for excavating the ground.

British official refuse to say on what grounds this was done, but media reports suggest his application to study at another institution was turned down because the course work there was deemed to be bogus.

Britain's top law and order chief, Home Office Minister Alan Johnson says the correct procedures were followed in this case.

"As soon as someone is refused a visa, they go on our watch list in case they try to enter without a visa or on a false visa.  And the fact that all of our visas are fingerprint, bio-metric fingerprints based on ensuring that that person's identity is proven is a very important factor in this," he said.

That information should have been passed on to U.S. databases, but it is unclear if that actually happened.

Also, the effectiveness of such watch lists is being called into question, as the man charged with trying to bring down flight 253 on Christmas Day was not on the U.S. 'no fly' list.

baby4u2:

Guy wait sef. Who really issued this press statement. Do muslims say AMEN? Please read again

londoner:

The father reported him as a terrorist threat, he was concerned that he had turned to fanaticism.

Kobojunkie:

Just so I get this, at what point did he come in contact with US Security? In Nigeria? In Amsterdam? When the authorities in Amsterdam sent his name off to the US for clearance? Or on the plane to the US, right before he landed in the US?

I get it that the father alerted the US authorities about 2 months ago but the boy was, I believe on the watch list back in the UK before then and so on the American radar long before the report came in from the father, and I am not sure if his being on the watch list in the UK had much to do with terrorism.

By the way, why didn’t Holland have him on a watch list? Or is Holland not supposed to have a watch list as well? I mean is Holland just a port for dispatching folks without need to check before even letting these folks into their own ports?

[size=13pt]Al Qaeda claims responsibility for failed terror attack[/size]

[Authorities have focused their investigation on how AbdulMutallab, 23, allegedly smuggled the explosives aboard the flight and who might have helped him.
"We're ascertaining why it was that he was not flagged in a more specific way when he purchased his ticket, given the information that we think was available, allegedly was available," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told CNN's "American Morning" Monday.

AbdulMutallab, a Nigerian who had a multiple-entry visa to the United States, had been added to a watch list of 550,000 potential terrorist threats after the information provided by his father was forwarded to the National Counter-Terrorism Center, a senior administration official said. But "the info on him was not deemed specific enough to pull his visa or put him on a no-fly list," the official said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/28/airline.terror.attempt/index.html

wirinet:

Nigeria has a serious class divide which is even more than the tribal or ethnic divide. In Nigeria they arrest  and blame  fathers for the sins of their children if it is a poor family, sometimes landlords are even arrested for the sins of their tenants. But if it is a big man we make all sorts of excuses.

If this incident had happened to a poor family, i am sure the police and SSS would have raided the fathers house and thrown every man, woman and rat found into detention, until they can absolved themselves, and all those supporters here would have call the father names.

I am not saying the father is directly involved in the terrorist plot, but he should accept responsible for his child's behaviour and be a better parent to the other 15 (especially the minors among them)

londoner:

I hate to say it, but people may be displaying anti muslim sentiments. If a woman thought her son to be planning a robbery, alerts the police, would we be calling her a bad mother and accusing her of being involved?

He was being a good citizen, a good Muslim and a responsible adult. This man is the Managing director of first bank (or something like that), he also put his reputation on the line.

What wrong did he do in alerting authorities, he did so MORE THAN ONCE.

OAM4J:

The clearance was gotten while he was still in Amsterdam about to board a US bound flight.

Wish I have answers to your other questions.  

Officials said he came to the attention of U.S. intelligence last month when his father, a prominent Nigerian banker, reported to the American Embassy in Nigeria about his son's increasingly extremist views.

CNBC's Erin Burnett reported in Abuja, Nigeria, that family members had told her that Abdulmutallab's father had told embassy officials in a letter that his son had spoken of "sacrificing himself."

Still, in appearances on Sunday talk shows, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said the traveling public "is very, very safe."

"This was one individual literally of thousands that fly and thousands of flights every year," Napolitano said. "And he was stopped before any damage could be done. I think the important thing to recognize here is that once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have."

ferdiii:


WORD

In Nigeria, if you send off/to your a 2-yr-old abroad or dorm, you are a good parent. Togo faa? Very big blind Nigerians! That Umar boy will never work to support himself in this life. Parents will only steal more than enough to get rich and impoverish the brains of their children. Their children only suck pu ssy, smoke cocaine and now try to terrorize people. The west always turn blind eye on corruption, and looking at fat bank accounts and money to give visas. What goes around comes around. Brew the devil that will haunt you.

ferdiii:

I didn't see Allah, Insha Alla there oh!falsehood!Charade!

baby4u2:

Guy wait sef. Who really issued this press statement. Do muslims say AMEN? Please read again

Kobojunkie:

You are NOT answering the question but just putting forth the same VAGUE info are reason for assertions you have made so far.  

We have been told there was no solid info to support his being on a No-fly list. That his father reported him missing is NO SOLID evidence to have him on a NO FLY List so why demand he should have been doubly checked just for that in the way you have so far?

OAM4J:

I assumed he was not properly screened, cos if he was, the explosives would have been discovered before boarding.

OAM4J:

I expected that his name being on the watch list is enough to warrant his being double checked. otherwise what is the essence of having a watch list if you cannot properly 'WATCH'?

proudly9ja:

The so called US watch list has names of over 500,000 suspected terrorists. there is no way in the world they can monitor each and every one. Thats  why they have them in grades.

londoner:

@Kobojunkie, in the article on the BBC website, the father had gone to the US embassy in Abuja and WARNED THEM, that his son may have developed RADICAL VIEWS and had been spending time in the Yemen. it was NOT simply a missing person alert.

Now this is not Nigerian authorities, this is US personnel  it was reported to.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8432934.stm

Kobojunkie:

You are NOT answering the question but just putting forth the same VAGUE info are reason for assertions you have made so far.  

We have been told there was no solid info to support his being on a No-fly list. That his father reported him missing is NO SOLID evidence to have him on a NO FLY List so why demand he should have been doubly checked just for that in the way you have so far?


Note: I edited my initial post


here is what I have so far on when he came on the US watchlist.  . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34592031