indie22:

Eko o ni baje o!

But seriously, something needs to be done about lekki and its many toll points

felele:

[size=20pt]BABAPUPA[/size], I see you've taking on the title of DEFENDER OF FASHOLA.

Please answer this question:

[size=15pt]Why is the proposed new Ikorodu road project, less than 50km, going to cost N60 billion? This makes it more than N1b per kilometre, when Federal Ministry of Works awarded the East-West Road, in similar type of terrain (riverine, swamps and some hard land), for about N330m per kilometre
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[size=20pt]If this is not evidence of stealing by over-invoicing, I don't know what is!!![/size]

felele:

[size=20pt]BABAPUPA[/size], I see you've taking on the title of DEFENDER OF FASHOLA.

Please answer this question:

[size=15pt]Why is the proposed new Ikorodu road project, less than 50km, going to cost N60 billion? This makes it more than N1b per kilometre, when Federal Ministry of Works awarded the East-West Road, in similar type of terrain (riverine, swamps and some hard land), for about N330m per kilometre
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[size=20pt]If this is not evidence of stealing by over-invoicing, I don't know what is!!![/size]

selingel:

[size=8pt]Come to think of it, WHY IS THIS THREAD NOT ON HOME PAGE?

FASHOLA SUPPORTERS AT WORK!.


THE RIBADU'S BUG IS REALLY INFECTIOUS!

(Another case of selective justice)
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Honestly I support Fashola's project drive but honestly the issue of 3 toll gates on that road is unfair. People should protest against it. We cannot say somebody is good and as a result we do not see any bad thing against it.

paddy_lo:

why dont u guys face the real issue. . fashola did not award this contract
it was awarded by tinubu and his cronies. . .its actually part of the reason there is problem btw the two. .

Now u can say he can cancel it. . .but u have to ask yourself what are the ramifications of such cancellation?
How much will lagos state pay the contractor for cancelling the project?
what signals will that send to other private sector participants in lagos?

Personally i dont have a problem with the toll

@Paddylo, stop, in your desperate bid to create an excuse for this issue, making Fashola out to be a dunce!
The contract signer(PERSON) is not the problem or issue here at all. For all you and every lagosian should care, the Government awarded that contract and the government, no matter how many times it changes face is responsible for the contract.
A Contract can be cancelled or reviewed, no matter who awarded it. The current government is ALWAYS held responsible for contracts that are executed, especially, within his term. This "BLAME TINUBU FOR ALL THE BAD" tactic is getting really old!
You may not have any problem at all with this or any other issues but don't feel it is your place to produce these generic excuses for a government that people already know is competent enough to handle it's issues.

paddy_lo:

This is why i have a problem with u atimes on here
u live in the USA,u know how things are done. . yet u advocate for the worst policies for Nigeria and Africa
Do u know what contract law means?. . do u know that African countries are perceived as bad for business because they violate legitimate contracts at will?
Do u understand the implications of a new Govt coming in and cancelling all previous valid contracts?

It will never happen in the west. . yet u advocate it for Africa
They say contract law and property rights is the rock on which the west was built

I am sorry but it happens even here in the US. Obama did it -- reviewed contracts that were signed under Bush and even cancelled some.

paddy_lo:

Also note that this contract was not just signed under tinubu but construction started under tinubu sometime in 2005
The company handling the project got funds from outside the country to execute it under PPP. .
any attempt to violate the valid contracts is a bad sign for investors in lagos and Nigeria

I will rather have a 10 lane road tolled 10times
than no road at all. . .

The lagos badagry express is being built and is not tolled
obviously Fashola does not believe in the tolling,but a valid contract is a valid contract

Anybody living in lekki can afford to pay whatever the toll is. . .this is not ojo,mile 2 or badagry we are talking about

paddy_lo:



Anybody living in lekki can afford to pay whatever the toll is. . .this is not ojo,mile 2 or badagry we are talking about

Again, contracts, regardless of how long they have been going on can be reviewed to ensure success and make any needed changes that may come up. That this contract, according to you, has been under construction since 2005, is reason why I would definitely support a review, and possibly a cancellation because it has been 5 years.
Unless you can definitively tell us that the terms of this particular contract spells out clearly that it cannot be reviewed for changes or cancelled should the state decide it is not necessary or a the contractor is found wanting, I don't know what you are going on about here.
Governments, and even companies can choose, according to terms of contracts, to cancel, review, or renew contracts. It happens in the west, and see no reason why it cannot happen in Nigeria.

paddy_lo:

Nobody just comes in and starts reviewing contracts up and down as if u are in a banana republic
apparently that is what u want for lagos state. . .

Again, are you sure you don't know some of the projects obama is credited for cancelling still?

johnie:

Nigeria: The Risk of Skewed Business Objective - Lekki Road Expansion Project Example


Even after the completion and opening of the bigger and wider Lekki Phase 1 roundabout, the traffic bottleneck at that point has not been eliminated. Add that to the severe traffic jams that continue at Jakande, Chevron and 2nd roundabouts, you begin to wonder how residents will be happy to pay any toll fees under this condition. Traditionally, road users are very willing to pay toll fees when the highway is truly a highway with minimal traffic bottlenecks. Otherwise, inner city routes will do just fine.

Real Objectives: So what really are the main objectives for the project: create wealth on a false premise or create wealth through value-addition to societal needs via problem solving? If the objective is to truly resolve the traffic issues and create a revenue stream as a result, there is nothing really wrong with that.

This is more so if the project is financed through credit or loans. If this is the case, then the project executives would ideally prioritize concept definition and analysis to develop a pragmatic approach that ensures that the problem statement is adequately addressed. Preliminary steps will include identifying all major traffic bottlenecks, root causes and then derive strategies to eliminate or manage them.

The strategy development will consider among other things issues such as; traffic density, alternative routes, traffic intersections, road width, rush hours, traffic disruption during construction, narrowest point on highway etc. These steps must be taken before finalizing any contracts, detailed design and/or construction.


Most times we want to just start, execute and then tackle the problems are they arise. It's a shame really that a project of this size and magnitude, in this day and time can be so poorly conceived and designed.

The good news is that there is still room for correction. Of course, massive change orders may be involved but that's a small price to pay when compared to the associated benefits.

Source: http://allafrica.com/stories/201004130149.html

paddy_lo:

Pls am all ears. . i have never heard of obama being prised for cancelling any project

He has proposed eliminating waste in the budget,by not re authorizing some discretionary spending
(that is spending that re occurs yearly)

Not a multimillion dollar multi year contract

Do you have proof that this is part of the contract itself?

lol . . . Now there are stipulations? It is ok to google for answers, you know?

ROFLMAO!!!! WOW

The people of Lekki are not against tolling. What they are saying it that there should be alternatives for those who cannot afford to pay the toll on the ONLY available road.

For crying out loud, no one is saying " do not toll the lekki epe expressway", but why three tolls in an area that is predominantly residential? Or is it because pple in lekki are seen to be well off and comfortable and will pay regardless, 

And as for saying "people living in lekki can afford to pay whatever the toll is, well not everyone living in lekki is a millionaire, trust me there are still some parts of lekki/ ajah that have face-me-i-face-us and are worse than okokomaiko!

It seems as if people think lekki and automatically think phase 1, femi okunnu, vgc and northern foreshore (chevron estate), forgetting that there's not so posh areas in lekki and ajah and they are also affected by the toll points.

paddy_lo:

[color=#000099][b]if u like roll on the floor and hit your head. . .