morpheus24:


PS These central Americans you speak of are technically Native Americans as well no, so you speaking of the same stock of people as we well know that a good percentage of the so called Native Americans in those reservations with Casinos are not "pure" ethnically.

There are like 1,000 different native tribes of the Americas. There are some differences with the ones in N. America vs. C. and S. America. In the USA there are a lot of people who claim Native ancestry, that have very little also.

OyinbowithaTan:


There are like 1,000 different native tribes of the Americas. There are some differences with the ones in N. America vs. C. and S. America. In the USA there are a lot of people who claim Native ancestry, that have very little also.

The above reference doesn't mute my point does it. Its like saying there are a thousand different tribes of Africans in Africa with some differences amongst the groups. That doesn't negate the fact that the tribes are all native Americans and your earlier referenced to central American illegals is just a way of throwing shade at illegal immigrants.

Dem illegal immigrants in general are majority Native American as well.

morpheus24:


So If an African sleeps with White person and produces a mixed race kid and in your paradigm you proclaim that child to be black..,

Not at all, in your above scenario there could only likely be one of three results:

(a)Blacksic
(b)White
(c)Mixed

morpheus24:


This is called Afrocentrism. An African centered perspective on "Objective' information, in order words a biased viewpoint m

I am an Africanist NOT Afrocentric theres a huge difference. I dont apologise for studying World history from an African perspective.

Why have you insert my name to a fake post?

When did you see me ever misuse 'slave in any of my previous post.

Amujale:


Not at all, in your above scenario there could only likely be one of three results:

(a)Blacksic
(b)White
(c)Mixed

There is only one likely result in the example given and not 3 my friend. This is why I used the example to illustrate to you that your view point or your so called "Africanist" stance is subjective and not objective reasoning when you weight it against prevailing evidence, which makes it inferior as a paradigm.

A child of black and white procreation is 50% black and 50% white in his genetic make up. He inherits 1/2 copy of his DNA from his White parent and the other half from his Black/African parent. This is an objective conclusion based on scientific data and scientific evidence. If this experiment is conducted on this mixed race a million times the result will be the same making this "factual information".


The mixed race child dependent on what part of the world they live in can be categorized as a 'black child" or a "white child" depending on their appearance or racial designation within that given society. This is subjectivity and is not based on actual scientific and reproduceable tests.

To bring us back to the point of contention he is to simply state that because a group of people may have identical skin tones to people that exist in Africa does not make them African. Genetically speaking they are not even though phenotypically speaking they retain certain attributes that are prevalent in African today.

Genetically speaking the Aboriginal Australians and the Papau new Guinean peoples are the most distant from Africans while the Europeans are closer to the Africans, even though phenotypically the Aboriginal peoples retain or profess similar appearances to that of Contemporary Africans.

Native Americans are not Africans. This whole sailing to the new world is fabrication. They were groups of people that may have crossed from the Wet coast of Africa to the new world by sea but they were contemporary as in the times of Mansa Musa in the 7th, 8th and 9th century not 11,000 years ago.

Stop it.

Amujale:


Why have you insert my name to a fake post?

When did you see me ever misuse 'slave in any of my previous post.

Error in posting.

Amujale:


Not at all, in your above scenario there could only likely be one of three results:

(a)Blacksic
(b)White
(c)Mixed

These are based out of my experience.

Amujale:


These are based out of my experience.

experience is a subjective matter. It cannot be equated to being factual.

morpheus24:


experience is a subjective matter. It cannot be equated to being factual.

Experience as in extended family experience. I happen to have a nephew that fits into the given criteria. But I guess you just like to argue.

Amujale:


These are based out of my experience.

The picture you posted of that couple is in support of my point.

the two babies in that picture are both 'biracial" or mixed. If you test both their DNA's they would represent 50% African, assuming the father is 100% African genetically and 50% European assuming the mother is 100% European.

Their phenotypes are a mix and match of what prevailing combination of the parents genotype that is expressed or dominant in the child. You can look more like your father or mother "PHYSICALLY".

morpheus24:
...
the two babies in that picture are both 'biracial" or mixed..

Then you must accept being colour blind. For me and everyone else can clearly determine one of them is black and the other white.

As is clearly the description of the video.

When a blacksic and white persons match up and bear children,

Amujale:


there could only likely be one of three results:

(a)Blacksic
(b)White
(c)Mixed

...

Amujale:


Then you must accept being colour blind. For me and everyone else can clearly determine one of them is black and the other white.

As is clearly the description of the video.

1. one of them is actually 'brown' while the other is high yellow if you want to play around with spectrum of colors and subjectivity. These are intermediaries btw both parents. Their hair textures are intermediary as well and so are their facial phenotypical expressions.


2. The description of the video is a subjective interpretation based on how we "construct" race and identity in human societies. What is not subjective is that in terms of biology and genetics, both parents who's genetic makeup are distinct to two particular geographical areas gave each of their children 50% of their genetic makeup derived from and particular to the geographic areas on this planet.


if ancient native Americans were partly African in origin, they would connect with contemporary Africans on a genetic level, in other words their DNA would represent peoples who come from this geographical region of the world. All the fossils from these people do not represent this on a genetic level, therefore they cannot be African.

morpheus24:

one of them is actually 'brown' while the other is high yellow if you want to play around with spectrum of colors and subjectivity. These are intermediaries btw both parents..

Lol. I am not here to argue with you about spectrum and the colours of a rainbow , it’s a simple innocent video that clearly
supports what was said earlier.

For me personally I know what I state in my earlier post to always be accurate and true.

morpheus24:

if ancient native Americans were partly African in origin, they would connect with contemporary Africans on a genetic level, in other words their DNA would represent peoples who come from this geographical region of the world. All the fossils from these people do not represent this on a genetic level, therefore they cannot be African..

According to history, Africans are the first people to arrive and build communities on the American continent, that makes them Native American.

In antiquity, the Africans that settled in the American continents and the Carrebean, circumnavigate the oceans and seas to get there; The Red Indians are said to be from Eurasia.

Africans are the first to inhabit all the other continents of the world, which includes the Americas.

Amujale:


Lol. I am not here to argue with you about spectrum and the colours of a rainbow , it’s a simple innocent video that clearly
supports what was said earlier.

For me personally I know what I state in my earlier post to always be accurate and true.

Yeah the point flew right over your head huh?

Amujale:


According to history, Africans are the first people to arrive and build communities on the American continent, that make them Native American.

Africans are the first to inhabit all the other continents of the world, which includes the Americas.

Don't forget the part where these first humans /Africans wereand dropped off here by Alien beings on a space ship as well.

morpheus24:


Don't forget the part where these first humans /Africans wereand dropped off here by Alien beings on a space ship as well.

In the beginning God created the African.

Amujale:

In antiquity, the Africans that settled in the American continents and the Carrebean, circumnavigate the oceans and seas to get there; The Red Indians are said to be from Eurasia.

I don’t sympathise with The Red Indians because they betrayed the trust of their African masters.

When the Red Indians arrived in the New World, we fed them, clothed them, and taught them how to pray to God.

And they betrayed themselves thinking that they are smart but then China invents gunpowder and Schweppes! the Red Indians get outsmarted on the field of battle. Something no Native American ever thought possible.

And now they are basking in the U.S.A colluding with Eurocentrics in failed attempts to stifle their masters (those African settlers) history.

The only way is forward progress in the lives of all of Africa in my opinion the Red Indians should own up to the truth. That will make our efforts the more satisfactory.

Amujale:


I don’t sympathise with The Red Indians because they betrayed the trust of their African masters.

When the Red Indians arrived in the New World, we fed them, clothed them, and taught them how to pray to God.

And they betrayed themselves thinking that they are smart but then China invents gunpowder and Schweppes! the Red Indians get outsmarted on the field of battle. Something no Native American ever thought possible.

And now they are basking in the U.S.A colluding with Eurocentrics in failed attempts to stifle their masters (those African settlers) history.

The only way is forward progress in the lives of all of Africa in my opinion the Red Indians should own up to the truth. That will make our efforts the more satisfactory.

Can we all live in Wakanda?

OyinbowithaTan:


Can we all live in Wakanda?

Yes we can

OyinbowithaTan:
Nope, that is insane. The originally came from Asia. And that is what their DNA says also.

Like this one's eg

So you mean that this European look alike(picture 1) have the same DNA with this mongoliod one's (picture 2)

mysticwarrior:
yes I strongly Agree with you, this is the reason the native Americans are classified as mongoloids.

well in all this, I don't see why this modern day African American (picture 1 ) can't be related to native Americans.( picture 2 & picture 3) are the native Americans inasmuch of their mongoliod appearance is been said to be related to Africa, I don't think is about this mongoliod natives (red Indians) eg picture 4

letu:
well in all this, I don't see why this modern day African American (picture 1 ) can't be related to native Americans.( picture 2 & picture 3) are the native Americans inasmuch of their mongoliod appearance is been said to be related to Africa, I don't think is about this mongoliod natives (red Indians) eg picture 4

my friend Native Americans are Mongoloids.

mysticwarrior:
my friend Native Americans are Mongoloids.

even this European look alike calling themselves native too are also mongoliod according to you, since you refuse to be specific eg(picture 1&2 the European look alike). So next time try to be specific, there are different natives Americans with different colors/facial structure/ appearance eg (picture 3) red Indian's that looks mongoliod , (picture 4) dark brownish/ black native American who also have mongoliod appearance so which of them are you even talking about.

letu:
even this European look alike calling themselves native too are also mongoliod according to you, since you refuse to be specific eg(picture 1&2 the European look alike). So next time try to be specific, there are different natives Americans with different colors/facial structure/ appearance eg (picture 3) red Indian's that looks mongoliod , (picture 4) dark brownish/ black native American who also have mongoliod appearance so which of them are you even talking about.

and you really expect me to look at a mare picture to tell you who is and who is not a mongoloid? you sound very funny cos some of those people in the pictures might have mixed ancenstory, since I don't don't have evidence of their DNA analysis, I will not give you any reason to discredit my writeup, but it is a known Fact that "Native Americans are Mongoloids" according to racial classification.

mysticwarrior:
and you really expect me to look at a mare picture to tell you who is and who is not a mongoloid? you sound very funny cos some of those people in the pictures might have mixed ancenstory, since I don't don't have evidence of their DNA analysis, I will not give you any reason to discredit my writeup, but it is a known Fact that "Native Americans are Mongoloids" according to racial classification.

the jokes on you

mysticwarrior:
and you really expect me to look at a mare picture to tell you who is and who is not a mongoloid? you sound very funny cos some of those people in the pictures might have mixed ancenstory, since I don't don't have evidence of their DNA analysis, I will not give you any reason to discredit my writeup, but it is a known Fact that "Native Americans are Mongoloids" according to racial classification.

I'm not saying that native Americans are not mongoliod because that's what they are both the red & the dark brownish/black native, what I'm saying is that if those white ones in those pictures which I posted can claim native American i don't see why the present day African Americans shouldn't do so besides when slaves from Africa where brought to American those native where also slave in which there was an inter marriage between the native Americans and many of African slaves also many dark brownish/black native Americans slaves where mixed up with those from Africa and White's government that rule over them made sure that only one side of history is given to them which is that they all came from Africa.

letu:
I'm not saying that native Americans are not mongoliod because that's what they are both the red & the dark brownish/black native, what I'm saying is that if those white ones in those pictures which I posted can claim native American i don't see why the present day African Americans shouldn't do so besides when slaves from Africa where brought to American those native where also slave in which there was an inter marriage between the native Americans and many of African slaves also many dark brownish/black native Americans slaves where mixed up with those from Africa and White's government that rule over them made sure that only one side of history is given to them which is that they all came from Africa.

African Americans in general have a 15-30 Autosomal DNA that is non African derived so they are always suspect when they take DNA tests, however the overwhelming Majority of AA's have European ancestry more so than native American as confirmed by many DNA companies Ancestry.com, African Ancestry.com, 23&me etc.

There are communities that have lived adjacent to or in close proximity to native American communities in America that will have native American ancestry ie. Oklahoma. This is fact and not contested.

The claim that there were Africans here 6000-11,000 years ago during the arrival of peoples to the Americas is false. There is no DNA evidence that corroborates this story.

morpheus24:


African Americans in general have a 15-30 Autosomal DNA that is non African derived so they are always suspect when they take DNA tests, however the overwhelming Majority of AA's have European ancestry more so than native American as confirmed by many DNA companies Ancestry.com, African Ancestry.com, 23&me etc.

There are communities that have lived adjacent to or in close proximity to native American communities in America that will have native American ancestry ie. Oklahoma. This is fact and not contested.

The claim that there were Africans here 6000-11,000 years ago during the arrival of peoples to the Americas is false. There is no DNA evidence that corroborates this story.

okay thanks.

morpheus24:


African Americans in general have a 15-30 Autosomal DNA that is non African derived so they are always suspect when they take DNA tests, however the overwhelming Majority of AA's have European ancestry more so than native American as confirmed by many DNA companies Ancestry.com, African Ancestry.com, 23&me etc.

There are communities that have lived adjacent to or in close proximity to native American communities in America that will have native American ancestry ie. Oklahoma. This is fact and not contested.

The claim that there were Africans here 6000-11,000 years ago during the arrival of peoples to the Americas is false. There is no DNA evidence that corroborates this story.

Morpheus i'm not really into this DNA stuff and I like you to help me out on African DNA, I'm from eastern Nigeria my question has to do with the way you're making use of the name Africa as if it's a name of an ethnic tribe, what exactly is the DNA of the different people of African looks like. I know we (Africans) are all different and similar as in the so called Adamic DNA or Ancient DNA found in different ethnic groups in Africa eg L0 ---- L1 ---- L2 ----- L3 which mutates or give birth to other DNA.