Ochi_Agha:

You brought up some interesting point. I agree with you on some point, but others point, I disagree with. The point that I agree with you on concerns the good people of the SS. They should have the right to choose a nation that they wish to be a part of. I see no problem with that. However, some SS groups cannot have a nation of their own, because they will be too small. It will be foolish for them to have a nation of their own. Plus, some SS groups do not even get along, in which they are is open hostility against them.

Yoruba language is dominant in the South-West, I do not deny that. However, I disagree with you concerning that the Yoruba would be the new "Hausa" in a Southern federation. The Hausa are truly unique. Plus, in a Southern federation, the Yoruba and the Igbo populations are proportional.

The reason why a Southern federation would work is due to the fact of the Yoruba/Igbo rivalry. That would be beneficial for minorities, because they could be the deciding vote. A minority can truly have power.

udezue:

Biafra-(Igbo,Efik-Ibibio,Ogoni,Ijo,Idoma, and Igala)

Oduduwa-(Yoruba-Itsekiri,Bini, and Esan)

Arewa-(Hausa,Fulani,Nupe, Kanuri,Jukun)

MiddleBelt-(Tiv,Gwari,Berom,Angas,Kataf,Ebira)

dayokanu:

I dont care what the SS do with themselves, They can choose to merge with Sao Tome, Cameroun or Equitorial Guinea if they cant stand alone.

Assuming a Southern Nigeria country is coming to place, I wont want to be insulted like they do Hausas calling them leeches and stuff. I repeat SW dont need the SS oil to stand alone.

Also You cant say the SS is too small to stand alone, some countries in Europe A country like Andorra has less than 100,000 people countries like Leichenstein and Luxemburg are actually very small.

Lets do the numbers What would be the total population of Southern Nigeria?  With a State like Lagos alone having a population of over 15million, we can say the SW would almost be half of the whole country population wise.

Therefore going by Popular votes, It would be very difficult to get a candidate to power that doesnt enjoy the support of the SW block(Looks similar to what we have with Hausas now right?)

SW, Enjoy the largest population, thereby would have more resources allocated to them, Unlike the current Hausas they have intellectually sound people that can match any part of Africa, So its easy to get a whole cabinet and key positions dominated by Yorubas (Without Federal character). In 20yrs time, wont we be back to this same spot of other ethnic groups being disgruntled and want to break?

dayokanu:

You really think Ijaw, ogoni, Igala and idoma people would join Biafra?

I LOL at the thought of having Ijaw people with you in your Biafra.

What happens to Urhobo, and other Delta people in your categorisation?

Ochi_Agha:

Now I know where we are disagreeing with on. The population figures. It is common knowledge that the population in Eastern Nigeria has not been fully counted. That is a fact. That is why when someone says that their population is larger, I only take that with a grain of salt, because know one really knows the population of the Igbo and other Eastern ethnic groups.

Lagos has a huge population, that is something that I agree with you on. But it will be foolish to say that the entire population is Yoruba. Remember that Lagos is a multi-ethnic city, where all groups reside in that city. I doubt, a nation between the Igbo and the Yoruba would be dominated by the Yoruba. Even in Nigeria, there hasn't been a time when the Yoruba have dominated government. The Igbo at one time, and the Hausa now have dominated government. Can you name a time in Nigerian history, where the Yoruba have dominated government?

As you know the SS does not stop at the river Niger. It is also West of the River Niger, so keep that in mind as well. No one really needs oil to survive. Many nations are even resource poor. Look at many of the European nations, and they are still doing better than Nigeria. Singapore is just a city-state, and boast a very high income based on being a transport hub. Not that many natural resources are found in that city.

lagbaja20:

When?

Ochi_Agha:

GAR3TH, people are only interested in Nigeria's mineral resources. They do not care if the nation is split up or not. These investors that you speak of only care about making money. If that means in a new nation, then so be it. As long as the oil is still flowing and other resources are gained from within Nigeria's borders. Just wait and see. A new nation will be formed in 2011, and that will be in Southern Sudan. This might start the reorganization of the African continent.

Ochi_Agha:

Now I know where we are disagreeing with on. The population figures. It is common knowledge that the population in Eastern Nigeria has not been fully counted. That is a fact. That is why when someone says that their population is larger, I only take that with a grain of salt, because know one really knows the population of the Igbo and other Eastern ethnic groups.

Lagos has a huge population, that is something that I agree with you on. But it will be foolish to say that the entire population is Yoruba. Remember that Lagos is a multi-ethnic city, where all groups reside in that city. I doubt, a nation between the Igbo and the Yoruba would be dominated by the Yoruba. Even in Nigeria, there hasn't been a time when the Yoruba have dominated government. The Igbo at one time, and the Hausa now have dominated government. Can you name a time in Nigerian history, where the Yoruba have dominated government?

As you know the SS does not stop at the river Niger. It is also West of the River Niger, so keep that in mind as well. No one really needs oil to survive. Many nations are even resource poor. Look at many of the European nations, and they are still doing better than Nigeria. Singapore is just a city-state, and boast a very high income based on being a transport hub. Not that many natural resources are found in that city.

why create another thread? we have  about 70  of these created already and  almost all of them come to a  conclusion that nigeria wont split.  Nigeria is bad but its not as bad as you  think. Nigeria has potential and if it  splits then you will lose that potential. International investors are already  flocking to Nigeria because of its  potentials. But you hardly see that  many Nigerians abroad investing in  Nigeria, why, because you all brain  washed yourselves in thinking Nigeria  is a wasteland.  [b]If nigeria is really doomed as you guys  say then why are people investing  million and billions of dollars in  nigeria? [/b]answer that question.  trust me, nigeria wont split.

dayokanu:

In the same vein if you say the SE has never been fully counted, we can also say the SW has also never been fully counted.

Think about a City like Lagos and even Ibadan(Considered Biggest City South of Sahara) It would definitely tilt the figures in favour of the SW, Also you know we have more Igbos in SW, than Yorubas in SE almost at the ratio of 20:1. I mean for every 1 Yoruba man in SE, we have 20 Igbos in SW.

Despite their large population, they still cant change the politics of the SW, Lagos and Ibadan, despite their huge foreign population, would always vote in line with the wishes of the SW.

The multi-ethnicity of Lagos hasnt changed them from being a typical Yoruba state in terms of Politics.

The SW havent been in the core of National politics because they have mainly been in the opposition from independence. That explains why they have never dominated National Politics.

An Alliance between Igbos and Hausa would definitely have igbos providing the intellectual base and Hausas the political base. That was what Akintola was about to change before the 6 majors struck. The SW have formed an almost indivisible bloc even till today, Evidence by the wave of ACN in the SW now.

For me if Nigeria is to divide, i would rather only Yoruba speaking part go together and lets figure our own things out in our way instead of having some people who would feel marginalised and want out in the next few years

edoyad:



The Chinese are also investing billions in Sudan but the south will be holding a referendum soon that'll definitely split the country. The billionS invested won't disappear, the investments'll still be there after the break up.

edoyad:

@It's a good thing that the younger generation are almost all in agreement that Nigeria should split. Now it's just a question of time, let the old generation with their "one nigeria" mentality wither away so the plan can materialise.
When a division is agreed, a conference for who and what goes where can be convened.

Ochi_Agha:

During the 1960s. T[b]he Igbo dominated every sphere in government. Even the military, there were plenty of Igbo officers.[/b] That is why I said, there was a time when the Igbo dominated government. But those days are long gone. The Hausa-Fulani have dominated Nigeria since the capitulation of Ndi Igbo.

udezue:

@dayokanu,

Ijo, Ogoni, had leaders who played roles in favor of Biafra so its not impossible for them to be part of a new Biafra.

I'm not to sure about the Urhobo-Isoko ppl. They can either go with Oduduwa or with Biafra. Culturally they seem fit to be with either Biafra or Oduduwa nation.

Igala and Idoma are culturally very close to Biafra. Some parts of Nsukka are a mix of both Idoma and Nsuka-Igbo and historically there are towns that shared leadership btwn the two. Almost like a North-South zoning of power. Igala and many Anambra towns got so much in common. Ex, Egwu Igede. Idoma and Igala also share same market days with the Igbo.

What other ethnic groups are in Delta state? Its only 4 of em and they were all covered.  

Certain Southern-Eastern and Middlebelt groups have been intermarrying for who knows how long and also have cultural similarities, linguistic ties, also same and similar style of government.
The majority of Igbo, Ijo, Efik, Ogoni, Idoma communities have always had lose type of federation or autonomous entities even b4 British arrived. A form of Democracy did exist.
Yoruba, Bini, Esan, Itekiri, share many similarities and common ancestory. Also they had a more centralized type of government or I guess Kingdom/Dynasty. Some are muslim and some are xtians.

Hausa-Nupe,Kanuri,Fulani got 1 thing that holds em together and its Islam. Nuff said.

Middlebelt is a mixed bunch. One thing that unites them is their opposition to Fulani-Islamic influence. They are also culturally related. They are mostly Christian and animist.

I'm simply going by history, language, type of governance, etc.

I see emergence of 4 nations from Nigeria.