jason123:

Shattap dia! What  if itsekiri want to join their Nd neighbours? Would you force them. Ode!

alj harem1:

look,, mumu,, if they want to join nigerdelta group, your leaders would not have join afenefera
use your sense here,,,,moreover,,,ijaw people do not like you,,and massacred your people in warri like chicken,,so what are you talking about

Onlytruth:

Dayokanu disappoints me with his level of ignorance.

I'm shocked by the dudes cluelessness.

Faeb:

I am really appalled at the level of political ignorance by some of our brothers from the SW (dayokanu, lagbaja etc). For some strange reason, they feel that the old Midwest (or parts of it) will find their way into Oduduwa. The very same Midwest that bolted from the SW?

If there is a break, Yorubas can stay on their own, If the Edo and Part of Delta want to join fine and if not Good also.

This would include the Yoruba speaking part of Kwara and Kogi states.

Its their choice, We cant decide to have them in a country if they dont want to, I dont want some SS people calling my people leeches just in a bid to remain in the same country with them, I believe the SW and even the SE can do without SS oil and troubles.

Assuming a Southern Nigeria country is coming to place, I wont want to be insulted like they do Hausas calling them leeches and stuff. I repeat SW dont need the SS oil to stand alone.

Also You cant say the SS is too small to stand alone, some countries in Europe A country like Andorra has less than 100,000 people countries like Leichenstein and Luxemburg are actually very small.

In the SS while reluctant to mix anyone with the SW, i can actually go with Edo people, Itshekiri and a large part of Delta State if they are willing. But those Rivers Bayelsa , Good luck with whoever they go with

lagbaja20:

Southern confederation minus the disgruntled and resentful Ibos = YES

dayokanu:


Did you actually read my posts cos I am wondering where you dug out your conclusions about my statements from.

I would give you the benefit of doubt and quote some of my posts

So can you point to me where you got your points from my posts. Cos I stated several times that SW dont need any part of SS

The 1964-65 Elections

The federal parliamentary election campaign in December 1964--the first since independence--was contested by two political alliances incorporating all the major parties. The Nigerian National Alliance (NNA) was composed of the NPC, Akintola's Western-based Nigerian National Democratic Party, and opposition parties representing ethnic minorities in the Midwestern and Eastern regions. It was opposed by the United Progressive Grand Alliance (UPGA), which joined the NCNC and the remnants of the Action Group with two minority-based northern allies, the Northern Elements Progressive Union and the United Middle Belt Congress.

Not surprisingly, the NNA adopted a platform that reflected the views of the northern political elite and, hence, was an attempt by the NPC to gain firmer control of federal politics through an alliance with the Western Region. Its appeal to voters outside the north was based essentially on the advantages to be gained from associating with the party in power. The NNA preyed on Yoruba fears of Igbo domination of the federal government.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Nigeria_gain_its_independence#ixzz19ErpXCaG

omongbati3:


Obj was not Yoruba candidate, and when he was in charge, Igbo dominated the recognizable ministries and parastals (Okonjo Iweala/Soludo/Ezekwesili, etc cabal)

omongbati3:

Lagbaja2 aka ftranger
As usual, you reason with your anus
Yes, indeed in years after independence, Igbos dominated both politics and the army. Many Igbos were in the officer corpse then than other groups.
An Igbo was head of the military (Ironsi), was the president (Zik), was the senate president (Orizu), was the speaker (Jaja Nwachukwu/Ume Ezuoke) all at once

More ministers during Balewa time were Igbo that were hausa/Fulani and Yorubas were not even in reckoning then
Yoruba have never dominated govt over Igbos
Obj was not Yoruba candidate, and when he was in charge, Igbo dominated the recognizable ministries and parastals (Okonjo Iweala/Soludo/Ezekwesili, etc cabal)

The two universities in Nigeria as of 1960-1962 UNN and UI, were both headed by Igbos

omongbati3:

Also during Ironsi short military interregnum, Igbo dominated the military as well

Aigbofa:


Any more proof the Yorubas are not out to get you? Those ministers you mentioned did not appoint themselves, did they?

Faeb:

I am really appalled at the level of political ignorance by some of our brothers from the SW (dayokanu, lagbaja etc). For some strange reason, they feel that the old Midwest (or parts of it) will find their way into Oduduwa. The very same Midwest that bolted from the SW?
We do not appreciate any form of overbearing dominance by any large ethnic group that has not grasped the meaning of true federalism and imagines their population will equate to total political control. It is quite clear that some have no clue as to why todays Nigeria is failing; even though, God in his infinite wisdom has ensured that Nigeria is kept alive by the SS minorities, some are still too blind to see an equitable way out. Tribalism is for fools.

As for Udezue's partitioning of the Itsekiri with the Yoruba, it seems a physical impossibility, because there are vast Ijaw territories between the Itsekiri and the Yoruba. More than that however, is the fact that the problems between the Urhobo and Ijaw against the Itsekiri are easily resolvable (as evidenced by current Delta state politics); especially when it is realised that they were created when we were part of the Western region. Yes, the Warri problem was created by a tribalistic Western region leader (who like some from that region today, put population above equity). We won't be going back to the same old thing - the SS minorities aren't anybodies puns.

As to the way we will go in the event of a split, it would likely be a country made up of the old Midwest groups. Failing that, we would accept a confederation, if offered by Biafra. We would accept same from the SW, only we will never be part of a country called Oduduwa (names gotto go).

A state like Delta, whose people are politically savvy over and beyond what obtains in the rest of the country, will come to any negotiating table with very sophisticated arguments. The question is if others will be ready or able to cope.
Delta state is the only one in Nigeria to have been successfully led by someone from an ethnic minority; Uduaghan is Itsekiri, in a state whose majority population is Urhobo (followed by Igbo). Nigeria should be modelled on Delta state, we put the rest to shame.

omongbati3:

Obasanjo is not a typical Yoruba. He has no Awo-type Yoruba agenda which is to try and dominate others. That is why Yoruba do not like him and even claim that he is Igbo. A typical Yoruba will not appoint Igbos even if they were the only competent ones around.

omongbati3:

Obasanjo is not a typical Yoruba. He has no Awo-type Yoruba agenda which is to try and dominate others. That is why Yoruba do not like him and even claim that he is Igbo. A typical Yoruba will not appoint Igbos even if they were the only competent ones around.

jason123:

Yorubas do not hate igbos! an igbo man is the commissioner in lagos!

Aigbofa:

That is just not true. It is precisely this type of mistaken ideas that are fueling ethic discord in Nigeria.
Awo did not seek to dominate anybody. You need to query the validity and accuracy of these wild notions rather than hold on to them dogmatically.

If it serves your purpose of trying to make Yorubas look bad, then fine. But, if you are seeking the truth, then you need to dig deeper my friend.

omongbati3:

Notice that when Igbos dominated, it was based on merit
But when Yoruba did (Obasanjo) it was by hausa nomination
And when Hausa does, it is by non-merit.

Spot the difference?

omongbati3:

He is a copy version. The true gesture was when Nnamani and Kalu first appointed Yorubas into Enugu and Abia govt before Tinubu copied and brought in Akabueze (now retained by Fasola). Yorubas  can never start anything good for Igbo. We always  start and they try to reciprocate.

jaygetta:

I am appalled! If these posters are going to be leaders of the New Nations that make up the former Nigeria,then nothing will change, really! Its clear that some on here have no clue what they are advocating, are including sentiments in their arguments, or just want to rehash their phantom 'tribal superiority. Period! Some want to bring in previous ethnic sentiments, into what should be a future development plan. Or how do you explain Ochi-Agha's nonsensical analysis, Beaf's (oops, faeb's)rants, or (this one was a whooper) Onlytruth's statement that Edo will not go with the Yorubas, or that most of Edo is Christian?. . . Na who dem go come go with? The names Tunde Akogun, Adams Oshiomole, Dele Momodu,Seyi Olomu and co are from where? Take a wild guess. . . Then as per the Christianity issue. . . Edo state has a very high (if not slight majority) Muslim population. Murtala Ramat Mohammed was an Etsako man, u know? Tony Momoh was born Muslim (his first name is Suleiman). Kassim Afegbua, Mallam Yesufu Garuba, Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Shuaibu Amodu are Etsako too. . . Why u think Shuaibu never left Fatkubu on the bench?! The Edos are just as diverse as the Yorubas in terms of religion (christian/moslem/animist), have learnt to live together in relative peace,plus they share a significant amount of culture and history with the Yorubas.A lot of public figures, and ordinary folks, u see today and think they are Yoruba are actually Edos. If the Edos run off with the Yorubas, what do u think the Itshekiris will do? To those still hoping that Nigeria will stay together, I say to you: "Dreams of Utopia feel good, but reality is better"! Nigeria will split, and I hope soon and this is what I see happening: There will not be bloodshed, at least not initially. Nobody will support the Hausas this time, so that Chapter is closed; they are on their own.I don't know how the eventual partition of Nigeria will end up, but I tell You, whoever gets the Ijaws as part of its share is in for a very long, rough and frightening ride!

jaygetta:

I am appalled! If these posters are going to be leaders of the New Nations that make up the former Nigeria,then nothing will change, really! Its clear that some on here have no clue what they are advocating, are including sentiments in their arguments, or just want to rehash their phantom 'tribal superiority. Period! Some want to bring in previous ethnic sentiments, into what should be a future development plan. Or how do you explain Ochi-Agha's nonsensical analysis, Beaf's (oops, faeb's)rants, or (this one was a whooper) Onlytruth's statement that Edo will not go with the Yorubas, or that most of Edo is Christian?. . . Na who dem go come go with? The names Tunde Akogun, Adams Oshiomole, Dele Momodu,Seyi Olomu and co are from where? Take a wild guess. . . Then as per the Christianity issue. . . Edo state has a very high (if not slight majority) Muslim population. Murtala Ramat Mohammed was an Etsako man, u know? Tony Momoh was born Muslim (his first name is Suleiman). Kassim Afegbua, Mallam Yesufu Garuba, Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Shuaibu Amodu are Etsako too. . . Why u think Shuaibu never left Fatkubu on the bench?! The Edos are just as diverse as the Yorubas in terms of religion (christian/moslem/animist), have learnt to live together in relative peace,plus they share a significant amount of culture and history with the Yorubas.A lot of public figures, and ordinary folks, u see today and think they are Yoruba are actually Edos. If the Edos run off with the Yorubas, what do u think the Itshekiris will do? To those still hoping that Nigeria will stay together, I say to you: "Dreams of Utopia feel good, but reality is better"! Nigeria will split, and I hope soon and this is what I see happening: There will not be bloodshed, at least not initially. Nobody will support the Hausas this time, so that Chapter is closed; they are on their own.I don't know how the eventual partition of Nigeria will end up, but I tell You, whoever gets the Ijaws as part of its share is in for a very long, rough and frightening ride!

jaygetta:

I am appalled! If these posters are going to be leaders of the New Nations that make up the former Nigeria,then nothing will change, really! Its clear that some on here have no clue what they are advocating, are including sentiments in their arguments, or just want to rehash their phantom 'tribal superiority. Period! Some want to bring in previous ethnic sentiments, into what should be a future development plan. Or how do you explain Ochi-Agha's nonsensical analysis, Beaf's (oops, faeb's)rants, or (this one was a whooper) Onlytruth's statement that Edo will not go with the Yorubas, or that most of Edo is Christian?. . . Na who dem go come go with? The names Tunde Akogun, Adams Oshiomole, Dele Momodu,Seyi Olomu and co are from where? Take a wild guess. . . Then as per the Christianity issue. . . Edo state has a very high (if not slight majority) Muslim population. Murtala Ramat Mohammed was an Etsako man, u know? Tony Momoh was born Muslim (his first name is Suleiman). Kassim Afegbua, Mallam Yesufu Garuba, Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Shuaibu Amodu are Etsako too. . . Why u think Shuaibu never left Fatkubu on the bench?! The Edos are just as diverse as the Yorubas in terms of religion (christian/moslem/animist), have learnt to live together in relative peace,plus they share a significant amount of culture and history with the Yorubas.A lot of public figures, and ordinary folks, u see today and think they are Yoruba are actually Edos. If the Edos run off with the Yorubas, what do u think the Itshekiris will do? To those still hoping that Nigeria will stay together, I say to you: "Dreams of Utopia feel good, but reality is better"! Nigeria will split, and I hope soon and this is what I see happening: There will not be bloodshed, at least not initially. Nobody will support the Hausas this time, so that Chapter is closed; they are on their own.I don't know how the eventual partition of Nigeria will end up, but I tell You, whoever gets the Ijaws as part of its share is in for a very long, rough and frightening ride!

Aigbofa:

Yeah, yeah. Aguiyi Ironsi also got there by merit, after ibos wiped out almost all Hausa and Yoruba political leaders right?

Nsiman:

Alj harem1, u have the brain of a cow! Imagine u insulting pple u don't know face 2 face. Imagine u mentioned beaf, edwin clerk. I advise u to direct your talk to the person on forum,  as a matter of fact this God forsaken country will split (let me borow 4rom your bros Atiku) by unadvoidable violence

alj harem1:

there is no breaking up
for the northerners

i laugh at my arewa people,,,,the only reason for there unity is because of a common enemy christians mostly southerners,,,also this yoruba people are one of the reason also ,

omongbati3:

Duh! Ironsi was the highest ranking Nigerian in the military before independence and after independence up to the coup. So whom did you expect to take charge in a military regime? He merited it by virtue of his rak and position.