Kobojunkie:

If this is not a lazy way of winning an argument one ought instead to spend time actually convincing people of one's side, I don't know what else qualifies at this point.  

alex101:

Seriously Eku, when do you think nigeria should try its hand at manufacturing automobile?

Also, are you 100% sure the locally made one is more expensive than the foreign (china) made one?

Onlytruth:

I believe that we've had 50 years for us to generate electricity, but failed to do so.
Therefore waiting for that before we start manufacturing is not a good idea. In fact I believe that we should start manufacturing everything TODAY because in the process we will develop the technical skill set to defeat the power monster.
You see my point?

As for the computer, Zinox is the top Nigerian brand the last time I checked; they produce everything from laptops to servers.

I AM A CAPITALIST TOO.  

However, I am an American brand of capitalist. No strategic industry develops without government support (grants and patronage).

Onlytruth:

Are the foreign elements also influencing youths like Eku_bear?

Would Eku_bear take the same position if those automobile factories are in Lagos or Ogun State?

What baffles me more is that, these types of youths even fail to see that if ANNAMCO or INNOSON fails, no one will attempt to start similar company in ANY part of Nigeria.
Their failure is Nigeria's failure.

@ Eku_bear,

Nigeria has been producing car parts for YEARS.

When are we going to start producing complete cars?

alex101:

I was not arguing with anyone in the 1st place, let alone trying to win one . I was only referencing the case of nigeria having too many lazy people in govt, who rely too much on oil. It is this easy oil money that "kills" other viable cash option for the country.

Kobojunkie:

I believe Quality is the issue . .  . We are still recovering from the INEC DDC-Machine situation as a nation, and from that we must have learnt that it in our best interest to pay for QUALITY at this time as we cannot afford anything less YET. If you can show that machines made in Nigeria are of equal or better quality than their Chinese made counterparts at this time, please do. Else, let's do away with the BLIND patriotism bull and be realistic.

eku_bear:

I don't care, personally. The question for me is not, "when should Nigeria manufacture X", but "which is the most profitable good for Nigeria to be producing"? It might turn out that we are better equipped to focus on thoroughly dominating the West African tire market. I'd much rather find a good niche and be dominant at it (i.e., produce at the best prices in my region), than fake glory projects like manufacturing cars (at uncompetitve prices)  
For the specific vehicle he drove at the time, yes. I cannot remember the specifics though.

alex101:

 @ the bolded, you crack me up You and I know there are tones of white elephant projects embarked on by politicians in nigeria. This one is not one of them though, as it is by an individual who is business savvy

Tunmi:

Key word "quality"
Thanks for mentioning the DDC machines. The buses are for public use. I'd rather have a functioning bus that is sure to last some years than one that may break down in months all due to patriotism. When Nigeria has its own manufacturing industry then it can pose a challenge. For now, quality goes.

eku_bear:

How business savvy can he be that he is manufacturing cars in a country with no electricity?  

Anyway, we know how much the chinese bus costs. How much would the ANNAMCO or INNOSON ones cost? We can then compare and judge the FG's decision.

Finally, I'm pretty virulently against white elephant projects. . . so you are preaching to the choir

eku_bear:

How business savvy can he be that he is manufacturing cars in a country with no electricity? 

Finally, I'm pretty virulently against white elephant projects. . . so you are preaching to the choir

Tunmi:

Key word "quality"
Thanks for mentioning the DDC machines. The buses are for public use. I'd rather have a functioning bus that is sure to last some years than one that may break down in months all due to patriotism. When Nigeria has its own manufacturing industry then it can pose a challenge. For now, quality goes.

no, i mean when groups are been colonized and ruled by the people that colonized them

just days ago, IMF told nigeria to devalue her money

why can't they say that to UK or EU,., why nigeria

i remember when OBJ wanted to do electricity,., he went to the world bank to borrow money

getting there he was told to will be given the money but he has to buy the turbines from USA or UK ,., if not,.,. NO borrowing

meanwhile it is this world bank that the UK and USA control,.,,. do you see

alex101:

Let me get this straight, you are against manufacturing things like autos in nigeria until nigeria fix electricity?

If the answer to the above is YES, then nigeria is a mirage then, or not?

fstranger3:

They can generate their own local electricity. How come Nigerian Universities, Asorock, State Houses, and important institutions have 24 hrs electricity?  It can be done.


 How?

Kobojunkie:

Relying on Oil money is NO reason to buy possibly lower quality items in the name of promoting Local Ingenuity. I remember reading about how INEC purchased thousands of Zinox units, only years after the company went into business but ended up unable to use many of the units due to one issue or another. We need to be realistic with our expectations.

My uncle talks of how they still have rooms filled with some of those old Zinox units from the first INEC purchase of machines from Zinox

eku_bear:

See response below.Depends on what source they use, right? If electricity from a gasoline gen, then $0.30+ per kWh. Paying this much for your electricity to manufacture cars, when the Chinese pay $0.10 or $0.15 per kWh. . . your goods will cost a lot more.

I'm not against manufacturing in nigeria, but I want us to be able to do it at competitive prices. . . which means fixing electricity in nigeria.

onye_ngbu:

@kobo,
chinese products made for Nigerian use have never been of higher quality than well made nigerian products.
Ask electricians and engineers that handle electrical contracts.

EzeUche_:

Chinese goods are crap. Africa is just a dumping ground for defective Chinese products that cannot be shipped to the U.S. I rather have an African made product, than a Chinese made product.

Kobojunkie:

Are you suggesting then that these particular buses are of lower quality than currently made Nigerian buses?? I would not know why our government would not require that the products to be shipped, be of the same quality as products shipped from same company to other developed nations.  

eku_bear:

In your house in Nigeria, what brand are the computers? And where were they made?

Kobojunkie:

I see it is the "throw the chinese under the bus to win the argument" moment . . .  ugh! Most everything we own is made by the Chinese these days . . . Does this attitude really help anyone??

EzeUche_:

I prefer made in Japan. It is better quality I must say.