Ok, you have lost me, are you saying that when men think of natural hair they think of mix-race?

I think the Afro hair has been hidden for so long that men can't remember what it looked like.

well, some poster was giving an example of kim kardishian as a natural woman. that totally lost me because kim k isn't even black 

lots of women still wear afros. depends on ur environment
i've worn it b4 but I stopped b'cos it attracted too much attention. lol

Jenifa_:

I don't think I need to.

OK, no problem.

IMO when many guys talk about natural hair, they are referring to a mixed race hair. not necessarily natural hair like the one that grows from the top of their own head.

Here is what I get when I google "natural hair":


Most of those look pretty good to me.

In fact my girls hair looks like the women at the top left of the above image

well, the women who wear extensions and weaves are typically those whose hair cannot achieve that texture naturally (called "good hair" in the black community).

ex. do you think your own hair will look like that if you grow it out?

My hair can be like any of them but it is naturally like 5th but with curls closer together.

Jenifa_:

well, the women who wear extensions and weaves are typically those whose hair cannot achieve that texture naturally (called "good hair" in the black community).

Hrm, I see

ex. do you think your own hair will look like that if you grow it out?

Nope, i'm not mixed race. . . just a pure African dude. My hair when grown out is nappy as heck, and needs relaxer to straighten out. I had cornrows once, but had to use a bit of relaxer first to get something that could be braided without pain

Jenifa_:

well, the women who wear extensions and weaves are typically those whose hair cannot achieve that texture naturally (called "good hair" in the black community).

ex. do you think your own hair will look like that if you grow it out?

That is not true, I would wear weave because I do not like Hot Ironing my hair and even if I do it goes back to normal when water touches it.

Black woman community is pretty complicated, I guess

Some subtle stuff going on that I didn't quite pick up on before today. . .

I do not think straight hair is "good" hair but I do not mind weaves and attachments. Most of the attachments I do are curly Afros.

ekt_bear:

Hrm, I see  
Nope, i'm not mixed race. . . just a pure African dude. My hair when grown out is nappy as heck, and needs relaxer to straighten out. I had cornrows once, but had to use a bit of relaxer first to get something that could be braided without pain  

so why would you assume differently for women?  

those hair pictures up there are nice but   not a true representation of black women's natural hair.
instead, picture nigerian deeper life women (their religion bans them from relaxing or using extensions).

kandiikane:

That is not true, I would wear weave because I do not like Hot Ironing my hair and even if I do it goes back to normal when water touches it.

I guess that's if you consider straightening to be natural. you're right

ekt_bear:

Black woman community is pretty complicated, I guess

Some subtle stuff going on that I didn't quite pick up on before today. . .

ok I don't want to give you the wrong idea.  there are many women with "nice hair texture" or relaxed hair who also wear weaves. kandikane has corrected me on that. it
but my point really is that most of these guys badmouthing a woman with weaves won't go near her natural hair. lol

Jenifa what do you mean not a black woman's natural hair?

There are different varieties of Afro hair not just the "nappy" coiled up one.

^ yea I know that there are varieties. what I am saying is that 90% of naija women. and at least 60% of african american women (i'm being very generous) have nappy hair.
and it's really nothing to be ashamed of.

Jenifa_:

ok I don't want to give you the wrong idea.  there are many women with "nice hair texture" or relaxed hair who also wear weaves. kandikane has corrected me on that. it
but my point really is that most of these guys badmouthing a woman with weaves won't go near her natural hair. lol

I know. The day I shaved my head and went out I heard this dude whisper to his friend "what the f[b]u[/b]ck has she done to her head"

Jenifa_:

so why would you assume differently for women?  

those hair pictures up there are nice but   not a true representation of black women's natural hair.
instead, picture nigerian deeper life women (their religion bans them from relaxing or using extensions).

I don't know what deeper life women look like. Anyway I have a sense of what you mean. I guess it explains why most black women perm, straighten, etc.

Jenifa_:

ok I don't want to give you the wrong idea.  there are many women with "nice hair texture" or relaxed hair who also wear weaves. kandikane has corrected me on that. it

Heh. BTW, is "nice hair texture" limited to just mixed-race women? Or are there pure African women with it?

but my point really is that most of these guys badmouthing a woman with weaves won't go near her natural hair. lol

Hehe. I avoid bad weaves like the plague And certain types of natural really are also a turnoff.

Jenifa_:

^ yea I know that there are varieties. what I am saying is that 90% of naija women. and at least 60% of african american women (i'm being very generous) have nappy hair.
and it's really nothing to be ashamed of.

Where did you get that information from. Where is the link to that data. Do not make me start calling you ignorant.

Please speak what you know. The majority of people with your so called nappy pepper-grain hair are in central southern Africa.

Afro hair varies in Africa and unless you have done your research or been and met every single tribe you cannot give me that percentage.

@kandiikane: You are mixed-race, aren't you? Have some white or middle eastern ancestry?

From what I've seen, Jenifa_ is mostly right

ekt_bear:

I don't know what deeper life women look like. Anyway I have a sense of what you mean. I guess it explains why most black women perm, straighten, etc.
Heh. BTW, is "nice hair texture" limited to just mixed-race women? Or are there pure African women with it?
Hehe. I avoid bad weaves like the plague And certain types of natural really are also a turnoff.

no it's not limited to mixed-race women. ethiopians have it too   joking
yea no it's not limited to mixed women.  but just not very common.

ex. ogugua88 has "good hair." you can tell that her non-straightened natural hair is not extremely nappy.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=560561

@ekt,lol, Whuuuuuuuuut!! I am full black

No, she is not.

overseas can mess black people up sometimes, when it comes to things like hair.

it's especially harder for african kids born and/or raised abroad i should think.

the males in particular- glad i'm not one.

Jennif, What about the fulanis, tuaregs etc are you going to tell me they are mixed?

Jenifa_:

no it's not limited to mixed-race women. ethiopians have it too   joking

I meant West Africans, Central Africans, Southern African. Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalis, I'm not really considering them for the purposes of this thread. They don't look the same as the rest of Africans imo

yea no it's not limited to mixed women.  but just not very common.

ex. ogugua88 has "good hair." you can tell that her non-straightened natural hair is not extremely nappy.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=560561

I see. So how do you know her non-straightened hair isn't nappy? Like, what would it look like if her natural hair were nappy?

kandiikane:

Where did you get that information from. Where is the link to that data. Do not make me start calling you ignorant.

Please speak what you know. The majority of people with your so called nappy pepper-grain hair are in central southern Africa.

Afro hair varies in Africa and unless you have done your research or been and met every single tribe you cannot give me that percentage.

pepper grain hair is an entirely different class of NAPPY  !!! I know a girl with that kind of hair and it made me feel so much better about mine. she's from botswana or SA. I forgot.

I don't have data. this is just my opinion based on my experiences and reality. I know TONS of natural women so I see their hair texture.

the black girl with the very long hair is usually the exception not the rule.

kandiikane:

@ekt,lol, Whuuuuuuuuut!! I am full black

No, she is not.

Alright, I wasn't sure.

Jenifa_:

the black girl with the very long hair is usually the exception not the rule.

Exactly. Most of the black women I know with very long hair have some sort of European ancestry in them. My aunt for example, one of her grandparents (great-grandparents?) was some white dude from Portugal

kandiikane:

Jennif, What about the fulanis, tuaregs etc are you going to tell me they are mixed?

see my comment about ethiopians.  
I know fulanis have different texture and some of them claim to be of arabic descent.

ekt_bear:

I meant West Africans, Central Africans, Southern African. Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalis, I'm not really considering them for the purposes of this thread. They don't look the same as the rest of Africans imo
I see. So how do you know her non-straightened hair isn't nappy? Like, what would it look like if her natural hair were nappy?

it would look like one of those girls in d pic u posted.

disclaimer: this is my opinion. ogugua herself can come on here and speak for herself. her answer might totally contradict what I said. who knows?

Anyway, with all of this said. . . nappy head or not, perm/extension or not, African women are sexy as heck to me. I'm not one of those dudes obsessed with redbones

this is natural black hair [not saying everybody is as cute as the lady however]:

I do not know why Africans cannot accept diversity and variation.

This ignorances kills me.

Jenifa_:

pepper grain hair is an entirely different class of NAPPY  !!! I know a girl with that kind of hair and it made me feel so much better about mine. she's from botswana or SA. I forgot.

I don't have data. this is just my opinion based on my experiences and reality. I know TONS of natural women so I see their hair texture.

the black girl with the very long hair is usually the exception not the rule.

OK. Describe to be "nappy". You have met a few natural woman and now you have formed data on what afro hair should look like. I bet you can now tell me what an African should look like. Oh, oh maybe you can pick me and say with the exception of my skin.

The ignorance kills me.

@tpia: Who is that? She is very cute

tpia@:

this is natural black hair [not saying everybody is as cute as the lady however]:

that's really pretty. my hair looks like that after lots of hair products and and manipulation.
yeah the face also shapes the way d hair is perceived. lol

like they say, clothes look good on the mannequin (or model) until u try it on yourself.