seyibrown:

On one hand, you say she would have been granted the visa if she had told the embassy was going to  the UK with the intention of having her baby there  . ,   on a Visitor's visa?? and then on the other hand it would be right to have sent her back if found to be pregnant. Which one you dey?    There is no denying the fact that she had the option of declaring her intentions and applying for the relevant SPECIAL VISITORS VISA (PRIVATE MEDICAL TREATMENT) but instead applied for a ordinary visitors visa, thereby, deceiving the issuing officer

Preaching that as some people have been doing the wrong things for years and other should continue doing it is what has brought Nigeria to where it is today, and unfortunately, people like yourself will not be content until they see the UK become a 'Nigeria'. Many of our politicians are like you who have seen how to make a system work but instead choose to make it worse!  You may have been living in the UK before I was born but that experience has not spurred change in you.

You left a corrupt Nigeria for better shores but the corrupt Nigerian still remains in you and you are infecting teh grass made greener by others with your poison!  Many of today's OAPs helped build this country by paying their dues. The NHS would not be there if they did not! Justifying and encouraging actions such as Bimbo's is just so wrong!

Dishonesty is dishonesty; It can never become honesty!
I have said my piece . . . now I will go back to my dusty certificate and my cleaning job!    [/b]

JJM:

@Coogar, you have totally contradicted your argument and I am afraid your point has gotten lost in interpretation. Seyibrown said it all in response to your post. Bimbo WILL NOT have been given a visitors visa if she had told the ECO she was coming here to have a baby. She would have had to prove that she had the funds to pay for the birth etc and be granted a visa for Private medical treatment.

Clearly Bimbo did not have enough funds to get the proper visa and cunningly planned to get a visitors visa and get in through the back door. This is fraud and will only make things difficult for future applicants. Please address that rather than tap into emotions that in my view is wasted on Bimbo's case.

We are only giving our opinion with the little information we have read in the papers, we certainly do not know all the gory details but based on what I have read, She planned this all along and purely because of the implications it may have for our other Nigerians, I am against what she did. Happy for her that she and her children are safe but boy, s[b]he is a fraud![/b]

JJM:

@ Coogar, unless you are really her husband or complicit in her plan, you are equally as in the dark as I am with regards what the true story is. You seem to be ferociously arguing her case whilst claiming all you know is what you have read.

BTW Coogar, you do not have to be dying to apply for a medical visa. Medical visa encompasses alot of things from cosmetic surgery, having a baby to life threatening surgeries. There is also absolutely no need for a learned person to throw in cheap insults when putting forward a different opinion or argument. I will therefore not even dignify your cheap and subtle insults with a response.

Bimbo bought fertility drugs at a pharmacist and must have known it carried a high risk of multiple births(unless she wants to claim illiteracy) FACT

Bimbo knew she was pregnant(the number of babies is immaterial at this stage) when she was at the very least applying for the visitors visa FACT

Bimbo failed to apply for the correct visa applicable to her circumstance FACT
The requirements for applying for Medical treatment visa are more stringent as suppose to a visitors visa FACT

Bimbo (conveniently) prematurely had her babies whilst in the UK on her visitors visa FACT

Bimbo has accessed public funds(£1 0r £1million) she is not entitled to FACT

Bimbo has not returned to Nigeria since giving birth FACT

Bimbo is now working as an Avon lady which indicates that she has no intention of returning to Nigeria anytime soon FACT

Bimbo now claims her husband has abandoned her and the children FACT

Bimbo also claims she has no support network in Nigeria FACT

Contrary to your assertion, Bimbo has committed a crime by breaching the Immigration Rules-Working(Avon na work) contrary to the conditions of her visitor's visa and having recourse to public funds, again contrary to the conditions of her visitor's visa. A breach of the Immigration Rules is a crime!!!

Conclusion based on the above and leaving sentiments out of it, She is a fraud and my main crux(I keep saying this) is that it may affect other Nigerians future visa application. Nobody is perfect(God knows we all have our little skeletons in the cupboard)  but lets call a spade a spade and when it comes to consequences of ones action, we can mitigate it with sentiments to reduce the sentence but stop trying to justify the actual wrong doing!

@Gohome:

Take a look at your post I have reproduced above and note the italicized parts:  These are very strong (I repeat, very strong) assumptions to make about someone who I presume is unknown to you. You are really going out on a limb when you make the kind of sweeping statements I have highlighted in your post above. Let me take them one by one:


“She obviously did not plan to give birth to five kids. she planned to give birth to one.”

Sir, we do not know the above for a fact. It is impossible for you and I to speculate from a distance on Mrs. A’s birth plans and my next comment seals this point.

VolvoS60:




Sir, again I must say that you are being a bit presumptuous here. It is really pushing it quite a bit to confidently assert, (as you have done) that Mrs. A was unaware of the number of foetuses in her womb soon after she discovered she was pregnant. (By the way, what does ‘soon’ mean? A day? A week? A month? A year?)

It appears that medical sonography reveals the presence of multiple foetuses as early as 17 to 24 weeks after conception. I would like to think that given the circumstances (prior miscarriage and use of fertility drugs), a scan would have been done quite early in her pregnancy, given her medical history. But I do not know for sure, which means it would be prudent to avoid comments (such as yours) which contain definitive assertions.

Siena:

I'm loving this!

Bimbo can have my share of taxes to make sure her quins get the best possible care. I'm a British taxpayer too, and reserve the right to decide what my money should be used for. For Bimbo, a lady who's had premature quintuplets who need care, rather than lining the pockets of some fat-cat, crooked and greedy British MP's, who don't need any more money, yet are claiming expenses for homes they don't live in, mortgages that have been paid off years ago, first-class trips that were never taken etc. The list is endless.

Or senseless wars in other countries that are not justifiable. What the heck? For every British taxpayer that feels Bimbo should not benefit from their money, there are those that are in favour of her, myself included. It's not about supporting what she did, more a case of seeing why she did it!

Siena:

I'm loving this!

Bimbo can have my share of taxes to make sure her quins get the best possible care. I'm a British taxpayer too, and reserve the right to decide what my money should be used for. For Bimbo, a lady who's had premature quintuplets who need care, rather than lining the pockets of some fat-cat, crooked and greedy British MP's, who don't need any more money, yet are claiming expenses for homes they don't live in, mortgages that have been paid off years ago, first-class trips that were never taken etc. The list is endless.

Or senseless wars in other countries that are not justifiable. What the heck? For every British taxpayer that feels Bimbo should not benefit from their money, there are those that are in favour of her, myself included. It's not about supporting what she did, more a case of seeing why she did it!

coogar:

hi five, mr siena. . . . .
i am a british taxpayer as well and bimbo can have my share of taxes over and over again.

claremont:

Apparently, an aspect of "the Nigerian attitude" encompasses a support of illegality as long as the person perpetuating the illegality is "one of our own", therefore I'm not surprised that some Nigerians are in full favour of this woman's actions. How can supposedly enlightened people say that because some MPs have been allowed to go scot-free after fiddling with their allowances, and because our taxes are being used unwisely in wars, it therefore means that this woman should be let go?! What is the correlation between MPs fiddling with taxes, and an immigrant defrauding the NHS?!

Siena:

Bro, you're reading, but not comprehending, or choosing not to.

A lot of people, myself included, say Bimbo may have been wrong, and do not wholly support what she did, but can understand why she did what she did, that's eating you up so bad. What's so hard to comprehend there?

And as for Nigerians sticking up for wrong doers, as long as they're Nigerian, you couldn't be more wrong. Read through my older posts, and you'll see I'm often the first to be a critic against Nigerians, when I feel they step out of line. However, in this case, I don't see this particular Nigerian, Bimbo's been fraudulent, or a criminal.

Regardless, she's getting what she wants, and our taxes will fund her quin's welfare, so deal with it. If it burns you so bad, write a letter to David Cameron, or march down to 10 Downing street, verbally voicing your displeasure.

justwise:

@claremont

You are forgetting to remember what that £200.000 was spent for, that money just saved 5 innocent kids, how ever silly their mum was, those kids need not to suffer.

This is money well spent, better than paying convicted terrorist who refused to work but stay in this country to claim benefit even as they hate everything British,  they use the same tax payers money to fund terrorist activities around the world and still ready to blow the tax payer up in trains and night clubs.

Today is July 7

VolvoS60:


#202 Posted by Gohome:

“At this point with the information we have and where the information is coming from, This woman you accused of orchestrating this can be

i completely innocent
ii Partially innocent
iii completely fraudulent

Completely innocent (proof)

It is common knowledge. . ."


@ Gohome,

Okay Gohome. I understand you now . The scenario you painted in your post # 202 (I didn't bother reproducing the entire post) is one of three possible scenarios– Mrs A could be (i) completely innocent, (ii) partially innocent and (iii) completely fraudulent.

In scenario (i), the proof of which you so dramatically conveyed in your post (#202), Mrs A is completely innocent. But I have a question, and my question is this: Innocent of what crime? What is the charge? What law has she allegedly broken?

LadyT:

All you people crying about letting her have your share or taxes please send start a fund to pay for this NHS bill and her return ticket to Nigeria. Her act alone will affect thousands of other genuine people. It's not fair and it's wrong.

LadyT:

All you people crying about letting her have your share or taxes please send start a fund to pay for this NHS bill and her return ticket to Nigeria. Her act alone will affect thousands of other genuine people. It's not fair and it's wrong.

alfablondy:

Nice suggestion, if they cant they should press the naija govt to foot the bills.

Those Nigerians who are in support of this Lady's actions should recognize that the singular action of this lady may have put to jeopardy the future plans of your wives and sisters to have their babies in the UK. In addition, legitimate immigrants living in the UK (students, post-study workers, e.t.c.) may now have to pay through their noses to benefit from the NHS even though their taxes are being used to fund it. The future implications of what this selfish lady did is analogous to a dam of water that has previously received a lot of cracks and is on the verge of collapse, this lady may have just hit the final death knell on that dam and it has come tumbling down with calamitous consequences for all of us.

coogar:

NAN recalls that the UK government in March announced new immigration rules which stated that any overseas visitor owing more than 1,000 pounds under the NHS will not be allowed into the country until the debt was paid off.
It also stipulated more robust procedures for charging foreign nationals who use the NHS.

stop shifting the blame to score cheap brownie points. the united kingdom had already issued new immigration rules concerning nhs before bimbola had her quintuplets. she's not the cause of the heopardy that might affect your wives and sisters in future.

claremont:

My point is that the immigration rules regarding the NHS may have been there before Bimbo but they were not been enforced, because if they were, we would not have this case on our hands. The singular action of Bimbo may lead to a 100% enforcement of the pre-existing rules without mercy, or a promulgation of more stringent rules. That's my point, I don't see any reason why I would want to "score cheap brownie points" on a fraud.

VolvoS60:


What I have done is comment on whether Mrs . A’s actions (not her motives or intentions) breached the terms and conditions under which she was granted entry into the UK.  It is incontrovertible that a recourse to public funds was made on her behalf (in the course of her giving birth in the UK) and she (so far) had been unable to repay. . . that sir, is the[b] ‘illegality’[/b] I referred to earlier.

That was what I referred to in my previous posts, and I mentioned the implications her case could have for immigration rules in the future. . . As I said before, I have avoided ascribing any motives to Mrs. A. That is slippery terrain and I can’t prove anything there. I am sticking to the facts of the case and have consistently tried my best to give Mrs. A the benefit of the doubt.

VolvoS60:

#238 Posted by VolvoS60



I am aware, as we all are, that in the end, the British authorities could very well waive Mrs. A’s bill (on humanitarian grounds), but that is a separate matter altogether. Having said that, let us not lose sight of the real issue here: The state of our hospitals and the state of Nigeria as a whole. A former head of state once left Nigeria for Germany to treat “catarrh” because . . . Nigeria’s ‘hospitals’ are places where people (ordinary people, of course) essentially go to die.

That is what we should focus on.

JJM:

Well said Claremont. Its amazing how people are supporting her because of the "reason why she did it" blah blah blah. Even Terrorists have a (misguided) reason why they commit atrocities too now , but that does not make the act itself right .

Nigeria will be better if its citizens stop justifying the unjustifiable.Simples!

Siena:

How do you correlate the activities of a terrorist, with a mother wanting survival for her premature quintuplets? So Bimbo has committed an atrocity? Wanting your children to survive, is more than justifiable. Unless you expect Bimbo to take an eight-hour flight to Nigeria, with five premature babies?

As for supporting Bimbo, I'll continue to do so. A lot of Nigerians today, who were born in the UK and US have little or no idea how their parents left the shores of Nigeria many moons ago. Or what their parents did to give birth in the countries they travelled to. Can we all honestly, hand on heart, say all our parents paid their bills abroad, and did not use the system in some form or the other? If our parents told us what they did to have us in the UK, US etc that did made use of the system in one way or the other, would we condemn them?

Sometimes, it's best to think outside the box, before condemning the actions of others, actions our own parents may well be guilty of.

JJM:

Every criminal [/b]if questioned has a reason for what they did. Majority of the Nigerians here have chosen to focus their arguments on the sentiments involved. What I am saying is what she did is wrong and she should face the consequences. As I said before, sentiments can be considered when considering how much she should pay back etcccc.

JJM:

Again, some Nigerians where supporting Pastor Odulele even after he was convicted of child abuse. "Its the devil o, shame on the devil, we still love you Pastor, we still support you pastor", common !stop it! Owun ti o da o da.

Siena:


Where has it been declared, by the British criminal justice system, that Bimbo is a criminal? It would appear you've given her that tag yourself. If she were a criminal, she would have been charged, with or without the option of bail.