LagosShia:

have you ever being honest to yourself just for once?

you christians search the Jewish old testament and have even included it in your christian bible for prophecies about Jesus.

you have claimed thousands of prophecies in the old testament about Jesus.yet not one jew believe that the jewish messiah is Jesus,son of Mary (as).not one jew believe in Jesus with all the stories christians tell and all the prophecies they spot in the jewish old testament.

you new testament cries out in disappointment:

"He came unto his own (people,the Jews), and his own (people,the Jews) received him not".(John 1:11)


[size=18pt]yet on the authority of Muhammad (sa) alone,1.5 billion muslims believe Jesus was the true prophet and messenger of God sent to the jews!!!![/size]

christians like to talk to others thinking others are illitrates and foolish.frosbel thinks we do not know the difference between "old" and "new" testaments.

you mean under the authority of death, slavery and rape? you mean under the fear of death should they renounce islam? Yeah . . . islam cries out triumphant with the blood of the innocent.

davidylan:

Senseless again. Albert Einstein spoke mostly English through his lifetime . . . his very books can be found in different languages all over the world today. So exactly what was your point again?
Christ didnt claim to have written his own book unlike mohammad . . . his words and actions were recorded by others and subsequently translated to languages accessible to non-jews.

Lol!   how does Albert Einstein save you from the embarrassing conundrum, that a book that was suppose to address a Jewish audience, a book that is suppose to explain the Christian belief to Jews was written in a language they could not even read, only one who is plagued by extreme levels of illogical reasoning will fail to reason, the situation is perpexling, Jesus spoke Aramic, his disciples spoke Aramic, how did Greek fit into the equation? we would expect someone who thinks his post thru to be able to ask questions when there are certain gaps in claims like this

davidylan:

If not for these greek records, how would muslims be arguing for Mohammed in the bible? why are Christ's words missing from allah's works?

This boy does not pity himself, he has not solved the problem of how the bible was written in a foreign language he now what to divert attension from his ineptitude!  

davidylan:

that's very stup[i]i[/i]d. Paul's audience included far more than just romans. For example the ephesians were as far removed from rome as you could get. The claim that the gospel was "intended for a jewish audience" is equally false and just one more tired propaganda from the muslim's myopic viewpoint. Very clear when Christ gave the great commission in Matthew 28 that the gospel was for more than jews alone. Paul in fact preached MORE to foreigners than to jews. So in what language should Paul have used? Aramaic so the colosians would have not understood a word?

Alahmndulilah, so according to the David of all languages that the disciples and Paul should used greek seem the most global language in the world then, do this people ever reason? why not persia, arabic, etc why Greek? the senseless nature of such claim is that here we have disciples who could not speak greek suddenly writing in greek to a jewish audience,now his absurd claim is that Muslim propaganda made Paul write in greek, such silly nonsense has no place making sensible discussion

vedaxcool:

Lol!   how does Albert Einstein save you from the embarrassing conundrum, that a book that was suppose to address a Jewish audience, a book that is suppose to explain the Christian belief to Jews was written in a language they could not even read, only one who is plagued by extreme levels of illogical reasoning will fail to reason, the situation is perpexling, Jesus spoke Aramic, his disciples spoke Aramic, how did Greek fit into the equation? we would expect someone who thinks his post thru to be able to ask questions when there are certain gaps in claims like this

This boy does not pity himself, he has not solved the problem of how the bible was written in a foreign language he now what to divert attension from his ineptitude!  

Alahmndulilah, so according to the David of all languages that the disciples and Paul should used[b] greek seem the most global language in the world then, do this people ever reason? why not persia, arabic, etc why Greek?[/b] the senseless nature of such claim is that here we have disciples who could not speak greek suddenly writing in greek to a jewish audience,now his absurd claim is that Muslim propaganda made Paul write in greek, such silly nonsense has no place making sensible discussion

huh? Do we need to go into the history of the greek language in the mediteranean world during the time of Jesus for you ignorant slaves of allah?

^You ought not to bother. You know Islam and factual history are strange bed-fellows. Fanciful fairy tales is what they revel in. The irony of this discussion is that they ignore the history of Alexander's Empire (whom they claim for themselves as Dhul-Qarnayn).

LagosShia:

anty Plappville is still lost!

all your thousand words in the above is due to a simple misunderstanding:

you mix Jesus and the prophets of God with christianity and what christians believe.

trinity,begotten son of god,salvation by blood,and the rest of the BS were not taught by Jesus.

try to separate between what christians believe and what Jesus taught.then you will know that when Muslims tell you we respect and honor Jesus,Jesus is truly innocent of your pagan christian beliefs that came to be after Jesus.so please do not attribute falsehood to the true prophets of God.

we muslims honoring the prophets of God have nothing to do with our opposition to pagan doctrines christians believe in.

you are deceitfully supposing that Jesus represents what christians believe in.and sorry to disappoint you but Jesus did not found christianity,Paul and the earlly fathers of the roman catholic church did!

And was Paul Gods chosen? We do believe what Jesus believed, Muhammed has no knowledge of what he stated in the kuran. What does he even know that JESUS believed? anyone that condemn christianiny, equally condemn Christ, likewise whoever that condemn Islam, like me, condemn Muhammeds prophecy.

Jesus =christianity
Muhammed=Islamic
Get this correct sir!

LagosShia:


you christians search the Jewish old testament and have even included it in your christian bible for prophecies about Jesus.

you have claimed thousands of prophecies in the old testament about Jesus.yet not one jew believe that the jewish messiah is Jesus,son of Mary (as).not one jew believe in Jesus with all the stories christians tell and all the prophecies they spot in the jewish old testament.

[b]U dont know  that Jesus' teaching was based upon the OT as God's word and upon Himself as the only Son of God? Jesus drew info from the OT (the Torah) and placed himself in relation to the OT law, Prophets and writings as the only one who had authourity to teach their meaning.

Jesus applied the prophecies to himself see (Luke 4:18), He made it clear tht he had come to fulfill the law. see (Matt.5:17-20) when he spoke of his death and resurrection He referred to the 'Sign of Jonah' this is in: (Matt.12:39-40). He also proved to others "the Scriptures concerning Himself" see (Luke 24:27). Jesus demonstrated thet he had a unique position in relation to the OT Scriptures. He was "Lord of the Sabbath" see (Mark 2:28) and he introduced a new 'standard' tht was superior to what was revealed in the OT "example".

"You ve heard it said,  I tell you, "see (Matt.5). Jesus permited the foods forbidden in the Law of Moses1. However, Jesus was a Jew and his attitude to the law simply represented a different point of view, though he still stood within the Jewish tradition, he never let it down. Jesus neither rejected the Law nor did he rightly disregard any of its commands. If he breaks them he does so in the special interest of something greater than the Law, and that is (HIM)

Jesus surely came with somethig greater. he destroyed not the Law, but the works of the Devil. (Matt 5:17 He fulfilled it and was made under the Law (Gal.4:4) Jesus charged his disciples to preserve the law (Matt.5:19). Jesus was not what the people see think of him, He was more, He reads their hearts, Christ knew the hearts of the so-called 'Law keepers' who saw their righteousness in the law. their priority was on the external Godliness.

God was, and is, concerned with internal Godliness. What Christ came with was the ability to allow men to be Godly inside. he alone knew that the requirements of the law could never be kept. a mans's righteousness is through the salvation which Christ only purchased. The law was in his hands, he had it and still ve it. He made good use of the old testaments prophecies and we as believers hold firm to this.

And he (Jesus)charged him to tell no man: but go, and show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing, ""according as Moses commanded,"" for a testimony to them.[/b]

So if our lord God made use of the old testament, what stoped us from it?

LagosShia:


you have claimed thousands of prophecies in the old testament about Jesus.yet not one jew believe that the jewish messiah is Jesus,son of Mary (as).not ""one jew"" believe in Jesus

you new testament cries out in disappointment:

"He came unto his own (people,the Jews), and his own (people,the Jews) received him not".(John 1:11)

U ve forgotten that Jewish has different groups during Jesus days? there were the Herodians,Pharisees,ScribesJohn the Baptist group, even during John the Baptist lifetime and for several centuries after, certain groups of people considered themselves followers of John the Baptist, some of them became Christians, but others maintained that John was earlier and more important than Jesus.

There were the followers of Jesus as groups, although they starting with smaller numbers of Jews in Galilee and Judea then, those who believed in Jesus grew over the decades, by the means of spreading "Jesus Movement" to other nations, cultures, and languages throughout the ancient Mediterranean, The Jews sure believed He was the messiah, but not the entire nation does.

(John 1:11)"He came unto his own (people,the Jews), and his own (people,the Jews) received him not".

Will not ve been said by Jesus if all the Jewish nation had accepted him.

Take  your time to read these verses and know if no JEW accepted JESUS.

During his public ministry, Jesus had many "disciples"; he chose some (Mark 1:16-20; 2:13-14), while others came to him (10:17-31).
Since he was an itinerant preacher, people literally "followed" him as he journeyed throughout Israel (Mark 2:15; Luke 9:57-62).
He also sent some of them out as "missionaries" or "apostles" (twelve in Mark 3:13-19; 6:6-13; seventy in Luke 10:1-20).
After his death, his disciples and relatives formed a community of believers soon joined by others (Acts 1:13-15; 2:37-47; 6:7; 9:31).
At first, all the disciples of Jesus were Jews, but later they were also joined by Gentiles (Acts 11:1-21; 12:24; 14:1; etc.).

davidylan:

huh? Do we need to go into the history of the greek language in the mediteranean world during the time of Jesus for you ignorant slaves of allah?

duh a book targeted at a jewish audience makes no sense being written in a language they possibly could not speak. why won't this mindless zombie of Paul think for a change?

aletheia:

^You ought not to bother. You know Islam and factual history are strange bed-fellows. Fanciful fairy tales is what they revel in. The irony of this discussion is that they ignore the history of Alexander's Empire (whom they claim for themselves as Dhul-Qarnayn).

how doing? I see you have still prefer counter accusation as a means to defending your faith! Pity!

aletheia:

^You ought not to bother. You know Islam and factual history are strange bed-fellows. Fanciful fairy tales is what they revel in. The irony of this discussion is that they ignore the history of Alexander's Empire (whom they claim for themselves as Dhul-Qarnayn).

The holy book cant make mistakes, Dhul-Qarnayn died a riped old, a great history contradicting 

At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!"
Sura 19:27-28
And Mary, the daughter of `Imran, . Sura 66:12

[size=16pt]What a faulty reasoning[/size]

aletheia:

^You ought not to bother. You know Islam and factual history are strange bed-fellows. Fanciful fairy tales is what they revel in. The irony of this discussion is that they ignore the history of Alexander's Empire (whom they claim for themselves as Dhul-Qarnayn).

I know. Sometimes i keep hoping the gospel could break through the fog of their hearts.

vedaxcool:

duh a book targeted at a jewish audience makes no sense being written in a language they possibly could not speak. why won't this mindless zombie of Paul think for a change?

Because it was not solely targeted for a jewish audience duh! I know that islam has caused you to be unable to reason.
Luke was greek, why would he write for jews only? What of his greek family?
Paul spent much of his time outside Israel . . . what jewish audience would he have been writing for in Asia regions of Turkey or Corinth, or greece?

plappville:

And was Paul Gods chosen? We do believe what Jesus believed, Muhammed has no knowledge of what he stated in the kuran. What does he even know that JESUS believed? anyone that condemn christianiny, equally condemn Christ, likewise whoever that condemn Islam, like me, condemn Muhammeds prophecy.

Jesus =christianity
Muhammed=Islamic
Get this correct sir!

you're wrong anty!

for as long as you keep mixing what christians believe for what Jesus taught,you will remain in darkness.the teachings of Muhammad (sa) for example in opposing the trinity can only be said to be miraculous.the word "trinity" is mentioned in the Quran and christians are warned to desist from it.likewise the belief that Jesus is divine.but in the bible the word "trinity" is not found because it is a historical fabrication of the latter days after Jesus.history shows us when the pagan doctrines like trinity and the divinity of Jesus were introduced into christian beliefs.so even if we are to leave what Islam says out,history alone can show you that the teachings of Jesus got messed up by the early church fathers and their many councils and before that by Paul.this is the formation of what became known as "christianity".

it is really interesting you have denied Paul as "someone chosen".as far as i know the books of Paul constitute the bigger bulk of the new testament.books about the life of Jesus are only said to be four out of 27 books and refered to as the "gospels".and Paul's books are believed to be inspired by God just as the other books which allegedly represent the words of God and of Jesus.so if you are denying that Paul was chosen,i must commend you because that is a great success and a huge step forward in seeing the truth and abandoning christianity.from even the words of Paul you would know he was a liar! in one place he would claim inspiration while in another he says he was only giving his opinion.so congrats "plappville".

plappville:

[b]U dont know  that Jesus' teaching was based upon the OT as God's word and upon Himself as the only Son of God? Jesus drew info from the OT (the Torah) and placed himself in relation to the OT law, Prophets and writings as the only one who had authourity to teach their meaning.

again you are mistaking what Jesus taught for what christianity says or holds.Jesus ofcourse taught what was right and fulfilled the old testament laws which christians today deny.

Jesus applied the prophecies to himself see (Luke 4:18), He made it clear tht he had come to fulfill the law. see (Matt.5:17-20) when he spoke of his death and resurrection He referred to the 'Sign of Jonah' this is in: (Matt.12:39-40). He also proved to others "the Scriptures concerning Himself" see (Luke 24:27). Jesus demonstrated thet he had a unique position in relation to the OT Scriptures. He was "Lord of the Sabbath" see (Mark 2:28) and he introduced a new 'standard' tht was superior to what was revealed in the OT "example".

"You ve heard it said,  I tell you, "see (Matt.5). Jesus permited the foods forbidden in the Law of Moses1. However, Jesus was a Jew and his attitude to the law simply represented a different point of view, though he still stood within the Jewish tradition, he never let it down. Jesus neither rejected the Law nor did he rightly disregard any of its commands. If he breaks them he does so in the special interest of something greater than the Law, and that is (HIM)

Jesus surely came with somethig greater. he destroyed not the Law, but the works of the Devil. (Matt 5:17 He fulfilled it and was made under the Law (Gal.4:4) Jesus charged his disciples to preserve the law (Matt.5:19). Jesus was not what the people see think of him, He was more, He reads their hearts, Christ knew the hearts of the so-called 'Law keepers' who saw their righteousness in the law. their priority was on the external Godliness.

God was, and is, concerned with internal Godliness. What Christ came with was the ability to allow men to be Godly inside. he alone knew that the requirements of the law could never be kept. a mans's righteousness is through the salvation which Christ only purchased. The law was in his hands, he had it and still ve it. He made good use of the old testaments prophecies and we as believers hold firm to this.

And he (Jesus)charged him to tell no man: but go, and show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing, ""according as Moses commanded,"" for a testimony to them.[/b]

So if our lord God made use of the old testament, what stoped us from it?

we as muslims do not deny Jesus.i was responding to someone who was saying that muslims search the bible for prophecies while he forgets that christians do likewise with the jewish old testament.yet the jews dont believe in Jesus.

also citing prophecies and quoting scripture at one end and plagiarism at the other end are two different things.

plappville:

U ve forgotten that Jewish has different groups during Jesus days? there were the Herodians,Pharisees,ScribesJohn the Baptist group, even during John the Baptist lifetime and for several centuries after, certain groups of people considered themselves followers of John the Baptist, some of them became Christians, but others maintained that John was earlier and more important than Jesus.

There were the followers of Jesus as groups, although they starting with smaller numbers of Jews in Galilee and Judea then, those who believed in Jesus grew over the decades, by the means of spreading "Jesus Movement" to other nations, cultures, and languages throughout the ancient Mediterranean, The Jews sure believed He was the messiah, but not the entire nation does.

Will not ve been said by Jesus if all the Jewish nation had accepted him.

Take  your time to read these verses and know if no JEW accepted JESUS.

During his public ministry, Jesus had many "disciples"; he chose some (Mark 1:16-20; 2:13-14), while others came to him (10:17-31).
Since he was an itinerant preacher, people literally "followed" him as he journeyed throughout Israel (Mark 2:15; Luke 9:57-62).
He also sent some of them out as "missionaries" or "apostles" (twelve in Mark 3:13-19; 6:6-13; seventy in Luke 10:1-20).
After his death, his disciples and relatives formed a community of believers soon joined by others (Acts 1:13-15; 2:37-47; 6:7; 9:31).
At first, all the disciples of Jesus were Jews, but later they were also joined by Gentiles (Acts 11:1-21; 12:24; 14:1; etc.).

talk to your bible!

(John 1:11)"He came unto his own (people,the Jews), and his own (people,the Jews) received him not".

the vast majority of jews rejected him and up to this day no jew believes in Jesus.any jew that does becomes an "unbeliever".

those few that did in his days were outcast and persecuted.so what are you trying to hide?anything you say would be against your bible which says clearly that his people rejected him.

davidylan:

you mean under the authority of death, slavery and violation? you mean under the fear of death should they renounce islam? Yeah . . . islam cries out triumphant with the blood of the innocent.

you can take it as you please "loser"!

but if you call it as such,only shows you care not about the truth.and if you call it as such,then so be it because that is exactly what makes us Muslims believe in (as prophet and messenger of God) the human being,the son of Mary (may the peace of Almighty God be upon them both) who you refer to blindly as "lord and saviour".

davidylan:

I know. Sometimes i keep hoping the gospel could break through the fog of their hearts.

uncle big-mouth-empty-brain,dont forget these:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-817518.128.html#msg9765530

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-819003.64.html#msg9774228

Because it was not solely targeted for a jewish audience duh! I know that islam has caused you to be unable to reason.
Luke was greek, why would he write for jews only? What of his greek family?
Paul spent much of his time outside Israel . . . what jewish audience would he have been writing for in Asia regions of Turkey or Corinth, or greece?

sir big-mouth!

last time i checked the bible,Jesus said he was only sent to jews and whatever that contradicts that is an interpolation according to bible scholars:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-821784.0.html

LagosShia:

sir big-mouth!

last time i checked the bible,Jesus said he was only sent to jews and whatever that contradicts that is an interpolation according to bible scholars:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-821784.0.html

what does that have to do with someone writing an autobiography so others could read about His life?

LagosShia:

talk to your bible!

(John 1:11)"He came unto his own (people,the Jews), and his own (people,the Jews) received him not".

the vast majority of jews rejected him and up to this day no jew believes in Jesus.any jew that does becomes an "unbeliever".

[b]those few that did in his days were outcast and persecuted.[/b]so what are you trying to hide?anything you say would be against your bible which says clearly that his people rejected him.

The Jews that accepted Jesus were not out cast, they on thier own differed from those Jews that refused to believe. They cant believe in Jesus and be equal yoke with those that didn't believe.

Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?.
We all know that, the largest number re those that rejected him, majority win the wrong vote.

Ur claim hat no Jew believe in Jesus today is cpmpletely wrong and hate for Jesus. I do visite Jews christian online website, they do evangelism, campagne for Jesus etc. I forbid ur tricks.

LagosShia:

again you are mistaking what Jesus taught for what christianity says or holds.Jesus ofcourse taught what was right and fulfilled the old testament laws which christians today deny.

U your the one using your false quran to condenm what Jesus teaches, Muhammed cant know better than Jesus apostles.  he has put his evil interpretation in the hearts of muslims, they are spirituallyt blind by his tricks.

LagosShia:

we as muslims do not deny Jesus.i was responding to someone who was saying that muslims search the bible for prophecies while he forgets that christians do likewise with the jewish old testament.yet the jews dont believe in Jesus.

also citing prophecies and quoting scripture at one end and plagiarism at the other end are two different things.

Was he wrong to ve said that? NO. when u say Jewish old testament, dont forget this is the same book our lord Jesus Christ used. He taught them in the temple, sure it was not with the quran. So we are his followers with all authority owns the book used by Jesus. We dont go to the kuran, because we ve no interest in it. If u search the bible, then u only prove how weak
your book is, a true Muslim should burn the bible, not mention holding it and even finding islam in it.

Jesus=Bible=Christianity=Christian
Muhammed= Kuran=Islam=muslim
All that we need to know who the enemies of Christ are, are in the scripture.

Galatians 1: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9)

Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

Romans 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

These few are enough for u to know we know the truth, no matter how Muhammed has twisted it.

it is really interesting you have denied Paul as "someone chosen".as far as i know the books of Paul constitute the bigger bulk of the new testament.books about the life of Jesus are only said to be four out of 27 books and refered to as the "gospels".and Paul's books are believed to be inspired by God just as the other books which allegedly represent the words of God and of Jesus.so if you are denying that Paul was chosen,i must commend you because that is a great success and a huge step forward in seeing the truth and abandoning christianity.from even the words of Paul you would know he was a liar! in one place he would claim inspiration while in another he says he was only giving his opinion.so congrats "plappville".

How did i denied Paul? i asked u a question, u refuesd to answere and twisting it that i denied Paul, scroll back and see if it was a question that deserves yes or no or even other method of answer.

If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance (32:13). Contrast God Almighty in this verses below.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Thank God for his mercies.

may I recommend this site to all http://www.staringattheview..com it will answer many questions going back and forth here. the truth is many of us - Christians and Muslims- simply don't know enough of the scriptures to meaningfully respond to some issues.

also, I read earlier someone referred to that Norwegian murderer as a Christian terrorist. It is not correct. he may be a terrorist but his action doesn't fit that phase for the following simple. reasons (1) he didn't use the Christian faith to justify his action. never in his 1,500 page manifesto of violence did he mention Jesus or quote one verse from the bible. neither did he do that in the course of killing or arrest. he describes himself as a Christian but didn't practice. if he did practice Christianity he would not have killed anyone; he would have prayed about it. (2)not a single figure in Christiandom supported the man; he was roundly condemned and quickly apprehended and brought to trial. (3) the Norwegian society has sat up, taken notice and are beginning to work to prevent a reoccurence. Christianity abhors violence in any form. those saying the guy is a ''Christian terrorists " are saying if a certain john doe is arrested for armed robbery, because he is named john he must be a " Christian armed robber". it doesn't work like that. until he can justify that with Christ's teachings and have concurrence with Christian leaders, he is on his own!

goggs:

may I recommend this site to all http://www.staringattheview..com it will answer many questions going back and forth here. the truth is many of us - Christians and Muslims- simply don't know enough of the scriptures to meaningfully respond to some issues.

also, I read earlier someone referred to that Norwegian murderer as a Christian terrorist. It is not correct. he may be a terrorist but his action doesn't fit that phase for the following simple. reasons (1) he didn't use the Christian faith to justify his action. never in his 1,500 page manifesto of violence did he mention Jesus or quote one verse from the bible. neither did he do that in the course of killing or arrest. he describes himself as a Christian but didn't practice. if he did practice Christianity he would not have killed anyone; he would have prayed about it. (2)not a single figure in Christiandom supported the man; he was roundly condemned and quickly apprehended and brought to trial. (3) the Norwegian society has sat up, taken notice and are beginning to work to prevent a reoccurence. Christianity abhors violence in any form. those saying the guy is a ''Christian terrorists " are saying if a certain john doe is arrested for armed robbery, because he is named john he must be a " Christian armed robber". it doesn't work like that. until he can justify that with Christ's teachings and have concurrence with Christian leaders, he is on his own!

even yourself are not sure about his motive.well,you should see this:

"Norway Christian Terrorist Motive:"to Demand Crusade Against Spread Of Islam"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-719777.0.html

plappville:

But really @LagosShian,.what sense does it makes? kuran says that allah deliberately plant obstacles in the way of unbelievers to keep them from accepting the truth:

If allah wished, he could provide guidance to every soul:

If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance (32:13)

And again, he had sets a veil over the hearts and coverings over their ears: why is allah delibrately preventing people from his truth?

Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance. (18:57) and 17:46 & 45:23

if you want to know more about the Quran say so.do not distort the meanings of those verses.

God is capable of guiding anyone.the verses you are quoting simply tell you of the power of God to make you believe like a robot if He so wills.

the verses also inform you that there are disbelievers so evil that God Himself has justly punished them by making sure they do not believe because they are evil.


let me show you verses of the Quran that clearly show that it is in the hands of man to do good and evil and to believe or disbelieve:


Surah 29:69
"As for [b]those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good".

Surah 25:57
"Say: I ask of you no reward for this, save that whoso will may choose a way unto his Lord.

Surah 45:22
"And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth, and that every soul may be repaid what it hath earned.[/b]And [b]they will not be wronged.

Surah 2:26
"Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude ? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;

Surah 14:27
"Allah confirmeth those who believe by a firm saying in the life of the world and in the Hereafter, and Allah sendeth wrong-doers astray. And Allah doeth what He will".

Does the Bible God tempt people or not?

Genesis 22:1 and James 1:13
God tempted Abraham (Genesis 22:1) - "Now it came about after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."

The KJV says, "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am"
God tempts no one (James 1:13) - "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone."



BIBLE GOD DELUDES!
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



BIBLE GOD DECEIVES HIS PROPHETS
Ezekiel 14:9
9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.



BIBLE GOD LEADING PEOPLE ASTRAY
John 12:40
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.


Isaiah 6:10
10Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.


Isaiah 29:10
10For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

if you want to know more about the Quran say so.do not distort the meanings of those verses.

God is capable of guiding anyone.the verses you are quoting simply tell you of the power of God to make you believe like a robot if He so wills.

the verses also inform you that there are disbelievers so evil that God Himself has justly punished them by making sure they do not believe because they are evil.


let me show you verses of the Quran that clearly show that it is in the hands of man to do good and evil and to believe or disbelieve:


Surah 29:69
"As for [b]those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good".

Surah 25:57
"Say: I ask of you no reward for this, save that whoso will may choose a way unto his Lord.

Surah 45:22
"And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth, and that every soul may be repaid what it hath earned.And they will not be wronged.

Surah 2:26
"Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude ? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;

Surah 14:27
"Allah confirmeth those who believe by a firm saying in the life of the world and in the Hereafter, and Allah sendeth wrong-doers astray. And Allah doeth what He will".

@LagosShia, i did nt misqoute those verses, they meant Allah puts a block to prevent them of understanding. He wished to fill hell with enough men, i even saw that 99.9% of people in hell are women. As young as the kuran is to the torah/bible, Its writtens are horrible i must say that.

plappville:

@LagosShia, i did nt misqoute those verses, they meant Allah puts a block to prevent them of understanding. He wished to fill hell with enough men, i even saw that 99.9% of people in hell are women. As young as the kuran is to the torah/bible, Its writtens are horrible i must say that.

abeg,i'm not here to convince you and make you become muslim.i'm only here to state the facts.if you like believe if not thats your business.its your life and your death.

i explain to the best of my ability.i did not say you misquoted those verses.some times you change the course of the discussion by throwing in false statements to stir confusion and create arguments to cover up.i simply said and explained that you misunderstood the verses and i further presented more verses from the Quran to prove you wrong.

what you should worry about are those disgraceful verses in your bible i presented which clearly stand for the accusation you are accusing the Quran of.deal with your confusion book called bible.the Quran is not for your type.

face the bible verses where your bible god deceived,tempts and mislead people;not sparing even his prophets!!!

The Quran is not for ur type: lucky me hahahahhaah
Do u think i should face the bible only? Why do u face the bible when u ve ur kuran?

plappville:

The Quran is not for your type: lucky me hahahahhaah
Do u think i should face the bible only? Why do u face the bible when u ve your kuran?

you are not capable of two books or more.

remain caged in the zoo of a book you follow!

how is things going oo. been out for the weekend

bashy_demy:

how is things going oo. been out for the weekend

Alhamdulillah!

Allah knows who Zhul Quarnain is. He knows where the Gog and Magog people are.

Allah has allowed the fence erected around them to remain, until when the breaking down of it by them shall be one of the
signs of the end time, releasing them.

If Muhammad [as] didn't mention a name, anyone who mentioned a name, later, maybe wrong or right.

We know if Muhammad [as] had, there would not be any doubt about it.

He never would have said a thing that would not have came to pass in its right time.


And Islam was a religion practiced before anything called Judaism. Islam was the religion of Adam [as], the first man.
Islam was then completed upon Muhammad [as]. Islam did not take from Judaism, but what jews practiced that was ordained by God, they took from the prophet that led them in "islam", until they abandoned it and took their own process of worship, similar to what the christians did as to even the nature of God, developing trinity in their own process, and then they began to baptize, a process that even the jews will not develop.