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Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by oluwaseun23(m): 3:54pm On Aug 05, 2013
uchechuwku:

Please, don't use that word "RE-SCHEME"
it is bad for your situation.

Thanks for the correction. It was an intentional jargon. Just me fooling around with words. Of course, wouldn't use that in a strictly formal conversation.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by oluwaseun23(m): 4:01pm On Aug 05, 2013
LondonCool:

Cyber-Girlfriend? Abi na e-hugs and e-kisses you dey give am?

Loool that one sef dey.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by target007: 6:58pm On Aug 05, 2013
LondonCool:

Your friends nephew wanted to outsmart the ECO by cancelling his booking and ended up dribbling himself. That was a bit insincere of him do. What kind of 1 week course did he intend to do in UK that could not be done in Nigeria? The company wasn't a reputable one otherwise the ECO would have considered the companies resources and ability to financially facilitate the training in UK (irrespective of whether he has family ties in Nigeria or not).


@LondonCool, Your judgement of the situation is very poor and wrong ... I couldn't get advice from you ... what do you mean 'out smarting the ECO'... Yes when they did the bookings they had issues with credit card but they thought it was rectified and never checked the booking until they goot the visa refusal.

The training company is reputable ...check hhtp://www.thegtcgroup.com Sometimes we let our dirty minds becloud our judgement ...just like the UK ECO I am amazed that you were towing the same line of judgement the ECO took to refuse the visa I think you need to understand that not all Nigerians wants to disappear into the UK, some are really going there for genuine business and deals to better their lives... at least ask some sensible questions and you'll get corresponding sensible answers.

Anyway, please does any one has any idea what we can do to get this visa approve this time around?
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by FrontPageLawyer(m): 8:25pm On Aug 05, 2013
LondonCool:

You can either write it on a separate sheet, or include it in the additional Information section on the form. Is your company the on sponsoring you? You don't need to use their letterheaded paper.

Thank you so much. I'm the owner of the company, its a tourist visa.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by LondonCool(m): 9:41pm On Aug 05, 2013
target007:


@LondonCool, Your judgement of the situation is very poor and wrong ... I couldn't get advice from you ... what do you mean 'out smarting the ECO'... Yes when they did the bookings they had issues with credit card but they thought it was rectified and never checked the booking until they goot the visa refusal.

The training company is reputable ...check hhtp://www.thegtcgroup.com. Sometimes we let our dirty minds becloud our judgement ...just like the UK ECO I am amazed that you were towing the same line of judgement the ECO took to refuse the visa I think you need to understand that not all Nigerians wants to disappear into the UK, some are really going there for genuine business and deals to better their lives... at least ask some sensible questions and you'll get corresponding sensible answers.

Anyway, please does any one has any idea what we can do to get this visa approve this time around?

I beg to differ. My judgement of the situation is not poor. I know exactly what I am talking about.

The person making the decision to grant the visa is not a Nigerian (he doesn't think like you), he's British and they are trained to follow certain lines of thinking before reaching a decision.

If you want to get a UK visa then you need to see things from the UK ECO's perceptive. That's the only perceptive that matters. They work with trends, patterns and accurate intelligence.

From the website used to book the hotel there is a common trend that most Nigerians book and cancel their bookings (red flag). Are you saying that your guy didn't get any email confirmation informing him that the hotel he booked and paid for was canceled?

He had a print out of the original transaction which went through which was also used to support the application. I doubt the Hotel would cancel the booking without notifying your guy. You may appeal if you strongly feel that the hotel made an error.

To Nigerians, going to UK for a 2 or 3 month holiday shouldn't be an issue. To the ECO that's a strange amount of time to spend on holidays as a visitor.

The ECO is the first line of defence protecting the UK borders so it's his job to be sceptical about someone wanting to travel for a one week training course with a cancelled hotel booking, and no family commitments.

If you study the reasons given in visa refusal letters you can easily understand the mindset or psychoanalysis behind an ECO's decision.

The IO at the UK ports are the second line of defence and would also question the guys motives on arrival even if he was able to get a visa. Their line of questioning is to pick up flaws in the purpose of the visit.

In as much as I empathise with your friends nephew, the fact remains that you need to prepare your visa application from the way an ECO would view it; and any little doubt would lead to a visa refusal.

My postulation still stands that if the company sending your friends nephew were to be a reputable one, he would have gotten the visa.

Lots of Airforce Staff annually get UK visa's for quack aviation courses in Salisbury, while even ex-Niger Delta militants who can't read or write have been sponsored to do short welding and crane operator courses in UK.

I have just checked the website of the 'training provider' and my hunches were right . It's one of those providers that specialise in the training Nigerian Government officials. I have just seen a testimonial from Air Commodore Adigun there.

They usually refund feeding money and part of the course fees back to sponsored Government course attendees as part of the 'arrangee' deal.

I just mentioned the 'training' scam above about Nigerian Airforce staff visiting UK. I won't be surprised if the ECO is automatically refusing visa's to go on training at the company. What course was he going to do? Back to the drawing board.

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Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by dalobaba: 11:18pm On Aug 05, 2013
@justwise, I will like to know if I can write for a review of a refused application myself. I will also like to know if it's not to late cos I got the notice of refusal on the 14th last month. I will like to know the adress I'm to send the documents to. It's a 6month general visitor visa application. Thanx. Waiting to hear from u.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 12:43am On Aug 06, 2013
target007:


@LondonCool, Your judgement of the situation is very poor and wrong ... I couldn't get advice from you ... what do you mean 'out smarting the ECO'... Yes when they did the bookings they had issues with credit card but they thought it was rectified and never checked the booking until they goot the visa refusal.

The training company is reputable ...check hhtp://www.thegtcgroup.com. Sometimes we let our dirty minds becloud our judgement ...just like the UK ECO I am amazed that you were towing the same line of judgement the ECO took to refuse the visa I think you need to understand that not all Nigerians wants to disappear into the UK, some are really going there for genuine business and deals to better their lives... at least ask some sensible questions and you'll get corresponding sensible answers.

Anyway, please does any one has any idea what we can do to get this visa approve this time around?

I'm surprised that you are still asking for ideas from anyone despite having shown serious ungratefulness in your post, displaying such vicious attack on someone who freely tried to help you, how are we sure that you won't attack us also?

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Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by dalobaba: 5:18am On Aug 06, 2013
@justwise, I will like to know if I can write for a review of a refused application myself. I will also like to know if it's not to late cos I got the notice of refusal on the 14th last month. I will like to know the adress I'm to send the documents to. It's a 6month general visitor visa application. Thanx. Waiting to hear from u
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 9:02am On Aug 06, 2013
Vicjustice: You're applying for a tourist visa and you're considering requesting for a review?
Why not use a fraction of the energy, time and resources that you would waste on that to make a fresh application?
You're applying for a tourist visa and you're considering requesting for a review?
Why not use a fraction of the energy, time and resources that you would waste on that to make a fresh application?
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by target007: 9:15am On Aug 06, 2013
Vicjustice: [/color][/b]
I'm surprised that you are still asking for ideas from anyone despite having shown serious ungratefulness in your post, displaying such vicious attack on someone who freely tried to help you, how are we sure that you won't attack us also?

Come of it @Vicjustice, I am not viciously attacking anyone...I am just saying that when you have an opportunity to give suggestions or pieces of advice in a public forum it does not give you the right to condemn anyone especially if you haven't met him/her before more so my post does not warrant the way @LondonCool started his initial contribution on it.

Although, he was more positive in his second post which i did appreciate...he should have been asking the question in the first place not accusing the ignorance of someone who has made a mistake in his visa application to wrongly assume he was trying to 'out-smart' an ECO is not acceptable...that's what prompted me to react the way i did in my last post.

@LondonCool
just mentioned the 'training' scam above about Nigerian Airforce staff visiting UK. I won't be surprised if the ECO is automatically refusing visa's to go on training at the company. What course was he going to do? Back to the drawing board.

I appreciate your last post ... I think you should always approach every first post from this angle rather than the way it was done initially...anyway The course is an e-government training as the IT company is involved in developing the e-government software for the Nigerian government. Attending this course will enlightening their understanding in fine-tuning the customer's (nija govt) requirements so that they can deliver a better product.

Well, from your observation just as I have, i think he needs to get a proper hotel booking, which was messed up by their HR initially, and he will also need, aside the intro letter, a sponsorship letter from his company affirming that they will be sponsoring him for the training and also be responsible for accommodation and upkeep throughout his 2 weeks stay in the UK.

I really do agree with you that the cancelled hotel accommodation did ring a false alarm bell in the EECo's hears, especially going by the antecedence and history of what other Nigerians had done before using that site.

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Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by oloriesther(f): 7:58am On Aug 07, 2013
olu1234567:


Hi oloriesther i have read your refusal letter although it isnt very clear from what i gathered asides from your salary other monies where deposited into your account can you explain how and who gave them to you,? That is what the eco picked up.. If you read the guidelines for your application, and on your application online form there is a place that stated do you get money from family and friends? Are those deposits from your family member eg your husband? Let me know i might be able to assist you i am a law student from A uni in England and i have be fortunate to deal with some immigration cases, including mine

@ olu1234567
Thanx olu1234567 for your response. The last few deposite made into my account aside my salary were refund of loans i gave two of my friends( 120k and 67k).How do I explain this to the visa officer?I would like to reapply by end of August when my balance will be a little about 1M due to the deposite of my July and August Salary.Though some other withdrawals have been made from the account since the last statement submitted on July 5.Your prompt response will be appreciated.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by olu1234567(f): 9:09am On Aug 07, 2013
target007: Hello Guys,

I need your help to analyse and advice about my friend's nephew application for a UK visitor visa to attend a training to be sponsored by his company.

He was given a letter of introduction detailing his position, type of employment, salary per year and also stating that they they will be sponsoring him to the one week course and the benefits of the training to him and the company. This is an IT organization.

But here are the wordings of the refusal:

In order to be able to make a decision on whether or not to grant you an entry clearance in this category I have taken into account your stated circumstances in Nigeria, the reasons for your visit and your proposed travel arrangements. You stated that you are employed as a software developer with XXXX limited earning N99K per month and that you have no family commitments. you also state you propose to travel alone to attend a course and have no friends or family in the UK. Given the statements you have made and the documentary evidence you have presented to support you application I am not satisfied that your circumstances in Nigeria, coupled with your reasons for wishing to travel to the UK, are such you have shown your intentions are stated or that you intend to leave the UK at the end of your proposed visit. I am therefore not satisfied that your application meets the requirements of paragraphs 41 (i) and (ii) of the immigration rules.

You have submitted a hotel booking for so so and so hotel via booking.com as evidence of accommodation in the UK. According to the website booking.com the hotel reservation has been cancelled. This leads me to doubt that your arranged accommodation is as claimed. therefore on the balance of probabilities, i am not satisfied that you will be maintained and accommodated in the UK without working or having recourse to public funds or are able to meet the cost of return or an onward journey as required by paragraph 41 (vi) and (vii) of HC395.

I have therefore refused your application because I am not satisfied, on the balance of probabilities, that you meet all of the requirements of the relevant paragraph of the UK immigration Rules.

I agree that the ECO has a point about the cancelled hotel bookings though but I would have thought that should have been the only ground for refusal but to start to make decisions based on the person's circumstances in Nigeria who is working and the company is sponsoring him...how can that be...I am fed up with this UK ECO's judgement.

Just before you ask me though...he submitted the following documents:
1. Letter of introduction from his company
2. Letter of awards of training from the training organization
3. To who it may concern letter from the training organization
4. Receipt of payment for the one week training

According to him he submitted his payslips, 6 statement of accounts and also financial statement form the company.

What should he do or what other documents should he need to re-apply, the training school has agreed to shift training to another date?



Your nephew shouldnt have cancelled the booking british people hate dishonesty, however, what category did he apply under general visitor or study visit?
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by olu1234567(f): 9:33am On Aug 07, 2013
oloriesther:

@ olu1234567
Thanx olu1234567 for your response. The last few deposite made into my account aside my salary were refund of loans i gave two of my friends( 120k and 67k).How do I explain this to the visa officer?I would like to reapply by end of August when my balance will be a little about 1M due to the deposite of my July and August Salary.Though some other withdrawals have been made from the account since the last statement submitted on July 5.Your prompt response will be appreciated.


Hi, did you just submit one month's statement? Because the rule requires you to submit 6 months statement, also you can explain in the additional information section about the loans being paid back, also your bank statement must reflect their names, put an arrow beside their names and you can further write an additional information letter explaining that the money was a loan paid back and you have put an arrow beside their name to show where they paid in the money.

Also in terms of the withdrawals as long as it doesnt significantly affect your balance its fine withdrawals are a sign that the account is an active one and thats what they are looking for.

After all that has been said i feel you should wait a little longer than the end of august to reapply, just as not to seem desperate. But its only an advise and you can reappluy whenever you want.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 10:41am On Aug 07, 2013
oloriesther:

@ olu1234567
Thanx olu1234567 for your response. The last few deposite made into my account aside my salary were refund of loans i gave two of my friends( 120k and 67k).How do I explain this to the visa officer?I would like to reapply by end of August when my balance will be a little about 1M due to the deposite of my July and August Salary.Though some other withdrawals have been made from the account since the last statement submitted on July 5.Your prompt response will be appreciated.
These petty lodgements aren't going to be problem especially if the fund in the account is not built up on them (meaning, such lodgements do not make the majority of the money in the account): there has to be other inconsistencies in your account altogether in order for this kind of petty lodgements to come into question. It is different if someone who has (let's assume) N450.000 in his account and he credits N550.000 into the account, now, that is the definition of MONEY LODGEMENT
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by mamawa123: 12:45pm On Aug 07, 2013
God has done it again.
Application for 2 yr visa: submitted on July 17
VAC Text msg: received text message from VAC that passport is ready on August 6
Pick up: I picked up my passport this morning. Approved for 2 yr visa
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by wola44: 1:59pm On Aug 07, 2013
Please where can i download UK application form for first time visitor/ training
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Deolu1993: 2:43pm On Aug 07, 2013
Hey guys pls I have a question to ask..so basically I wanted to know if someone can make an application with their statement of results if their original certificate is not available at the time of application. Would it affect the rest of the application if I use state,ent of results with the school stamp on it? Thanks for your anticipated reply
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by nubiadoll(f): 3:33pm On Aug 07, 2013
Hello Guys,

Please I would need you advise on my refusal of my visa application. should I re apply soon or later in the year? I wanted to attend my brother's wedding which would be taking place 31st of August 2013 which I put about N590,000 into my account few days to submission of my documents. I got the money from my monthly contribution of 50,000 per month which I collected cash and pay it into my account myself. but this information wasn't stated in the application form . I was refused based on these grounds:

in order to be able to make a decision on whether or not to grant you entry clearance in this category I have taken into account your stated circumstances in Nigeria, the reason for your visit and your proposed travel arrangements. you have declared that you are employed by X company earning N145,530 (594 pounds) per month and spend N 30,000 (122 POUNDS) supporting your family. you state that you are married with a child. you have provided a bank statement from GTBank that shows additional deposits which don't appear to be commensurate to your stated income. I am therefore not satisfied that the bank statement provides an accurate reflection of your economic circumstances. Therefore, on the balance of probabilities. I am not satisfied that you are genuinely seeking entry as a visitor for a limited period not exceeding 6 months or that you intend to leave the United Kingdom at the end of the visit as required by paragraph 41(I) and (ii) of hc395.

I would appreciate your genuine advise. thank you.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 3:35pm On Aug 07, 2013
wola44: Please where can i download UK application form for first time visitor/ training
http://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 3:37pm On Aug 07, 2013
nubia doll: Hello Guys,

Please I would need you advise on my refusal of my visa application. should I re apply soon or later in the year? I wanted to attend my brother's wedding which would be taking place 31st of August 2013 which I put about N590,000 into my account few days to submission of my documents. I got the money from my monthly contribution of 50,000 per month which I collected cash and pay it into my account myself. but this information wasn't stated in the application form . I was refused based on these grounds:

in order to be able to make a decision on whether or not to grant you entry clearance in this category I have taken into account your stated circumstances in Nigeria, the reason for your visit and your proposed travel arrangements. you have declared that you are employed by X company earning N145,530 (594 pounds) per month and spend N 30,000 (122 POUNDS) supporting your family. you state that you are married with a child. you have provided a bank statement from GTBank that shows additional deposits which don't appear to be commensurate to your stated income. I am therefore not satisfied that the bank statement provides an accurate reflection of your economic circumstances. Therefore, on the balance of probabilities. I am not satisfied that you are genuinely seeking entry as a visitor for a limited period not exceeding 6 months or that you intend to leave the United Kingdom at the end of the visit as required by paragraph 41(I) and (ii) of hc395.

I would appreciate your genuine advise. thank you.
It will be impossible to get a visa with your kind of bank statement
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 3:39pm On Aug 07, 2013
Deolu_1993: Hey guys pls I have a question to ask..so basically I wanted to know if someone can make an application with their statement of results if their original certificate is not available at the time of application. Would it affect the rest of the application if I use state,ent of results with the school stamp on it? Thanks for your anticipated reply
What type of visa are you applying for?
Well, whatever category it may be, the embassy has little or nothing to do with your school results, it is not a requirement
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by DisGuy: 3:40pm On Aug 07, 2013
nubia doll: Hello Guys,

Please I would need you advise on my refusal of my visa application. should I re apply soon or later in the year? I wanted to attend my brother's wedding which would be taking place 31st of August 2013 which I put about N590,000 into my account few days to submission of my documents. I got the money from my monthly contribution of 50,000 per month which I collected cash and pay it into my account myself. this information wasn't stated in the application form I was refused based on these grounds:

in order to be able to make a decision on whether or not to grant you entry clearance in this category I have taken into account your stated circumstances in Nigeria, the reason for your visit and your proposed travel arrangements. you have declared that you are employed by X company earning N145,530 (594 pounds) per month and spend N 30,000 (122 POUNDS) supporting your family. you state that you are married with a child. you have provided a bank statement from GTBank that shows itional deposits which don't appear to be commensurate to your stated income am therefore not satisfied that the bank statement provides an accurate reflection of your economic circumstances. Therefore, on the balance of probabilities. I am not satisfied that you are genuinely seeking entry as a visitor for a limited period not exceeding 6 months or that you intend to leave the United Kingdom at the end of the visit as required by paragraph 41(I) and (ii) of hc395.

I would appreciate your genuine advise. thank you.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by nubiadoll(f): 4:51pm On Aug 07, 2013
So how much sould I have in my account to get a visa, then when my salary after tax and pension is N145k?
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by DisGuy: 5:11pm On Aug 07, 2013
Theres no fixed amount, just bouyant enough and clear pattern of inflow and outflow- sudden deposits few days to application, would obviously raise an eyebrow especially as you didnt bother explaining it

try doing your contributions online- make everyone transfer money online instead of cash
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by nubiadoll(f): 5:43pm On Aug 07, 2013
So how soon should I re apply?
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by mackengift: 5:46pm On Aug 07, 2013
I need to know if a female friend in UK can process visa in Uk for a person in nigeria, though they are not married.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Roxy4: 5:56pm On Aug 07, 2013
Congrats! when did your primary 6month visa expired? recently returned to nigeria before it expired?
mamawa123: God has done it again.
Application for 2 yr visa: submitted on July 17
VAC Text msg: received text message from VAC that passport is ready on August 6
Pick up: I picked up my passport this morning. Approved for 2 yr visa
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Quailbirdfarmer: 6:48pm On Aug 07, 2013
Good day to all in the house, am new in this trend i have some one i uk who want to help in processing 2yrs working visa in his company but said i should paid my visa fees by myself in my country, please i need uk embassy address in lagos and their visa fees site link.
Thanks to all.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Quailbirdfarmer: 7:22pm On Aug 07, 2013
Good day am new here, please i need uk visa fee link and their embassy in lagos.
Regard.
Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 7:54pm On Aug 07, 2013
Quailbirdfarmer: Good day to all in the house, am new in this trend i have some one i uk who want to help in processing 2yrs working visa in his company but said i should paid my visa fees by myself in my country, please i need uk embassy address in lagos and their visa fees site link.
Thanks to all.
You're dealing with a scammer in my arrogant opinion

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Re: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by mackengift: 8:23pm On Aug 07, 2013
mackengift: I need to know if a female friend in UK can process visa in Uk for a person in nigeria, though they are not married.
i was hoping to hear your answer to my request.

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