1) Dreams come true

2) De javu: Have you ever had a feeling of de javu? If so then how do u explain it away?

Universal Order. Cause and Effect. Life on Earth:

Seun:
People dream so many dreams every night. Most of them don't come true. Once in a while, something similar to, but not exactly the same as, an event in a dream might happen in real life. This is means nothing. If you roll a pair of dice many times, once in a while you'll get two sixes. What does that mean? Nothing.


I've had many feelings: headaches, cramps, stomach ache, annoyance, anger, fear, joy, satisfaction. They are all just feelings.


Nope, that's just the way things are. There are many disorderly and senseless things in the universe too. Means nothing.

FXKing2012: It should first be noted that atheism was imported to Africa, our forefathers were very religious so atheism was never our thing. I had to clear this out because of the atheists in this forum who keep shouting about how Christianity and Islam were imported to Africa as if atheism was not.
With that cleared, let me give you the 5 arguments that killed atheism:

1) Dreams come true: have you ever dreamed and it later happened to you in real life? Most people (if not all) have experienced this, so how do u explain it if you dont believe in the spirit realm?

2) De javu: Have you ever had a feeling of de javu? If so then how do u explain it away?

3) Universal Order: The order that exists in the universe, given the way the planets and stars complement one another, is just extraordinary and could never have been an accident; how the energy level on earth is just enough for life to flourish; how microbes, plants and animals all complement one another in the delicate balance of life, etc etc. Do you think all these is just one big coincidence? There must be an intelligent being (does not matter the name you choose to call it)behind it all.

4) Cause and Effect: For every cause there is definitely an effect. If there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced, something (or someone) must have caused it - it couldnt have all happened out of nothing.

5) Life on Earth: Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object, so where do u think life came from? There is definitely someone out there who gave life to the first life.

FXKing2012:

4) Cause and Effect: For every cause there is definitely an effect. If there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced, something (or someone) must have caused it - it couldnt have all happened out of nothing.

5) Life on Earth: Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object, so where do u think life came from? There is definitely someone out there who gave life to the first life.

FXKing2012: It should first be noted that atheism was imported to Africa, our forefathers were very religious so atheism was never our thing. I had to clear this out because of the atheists in this forum who keep shouting about how Christianity and Islam were imported to Africa as if atheism was not.
With that cleared, let me give you the 5 arguments that killed atheism:

FXKing2012: It should first be noted that atheism was imported to Africa, our forefathers were very religious so atheism was never our thing. I had to clear this out because of the atheists in this forum who keep shouting about how Christianity and Islam were imported to Africa as if atheism was not.
With that cleared, let me give you the 5 arguments that killed atheism:

1) Dreams come true: have you ever dreamed and it later happened to you in real life? Most people (if not all) have experienced this, so how do u explain it if you dont believe in the spirit realm?

2) De javu: Have you ever had a feeling of de javu? If so then how do u explain it away?

3) Universal Order: The order that exists in the universe, given the way the planets and stars complement one another, is just extraordinary and could never have been an accident; how the energy level on earth is just enough for life to flourish; how microbes, plants and animals all complement one another in the delicate balance of life, etc etc. Do you think all these is just one big coincidence? There must be an intelligent being (does not matter the name you choose to call it)behind it all.

4) Cause and Effect: For every cause there is definitely an effect. If there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced, something (or someone) must have caused it - it couldnt have all happened out of nothing.

5) Life on Earth: Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object, so where do u think life came from? There is definitely someone out there who gave life to the first life.

Delafruita:
first,what is atheism?in the broad context,it is a disbelief in the idea of God as been spread by religionist.

MacDaddy01:



Wrong. Christianity was imported to Africa. Our forefathers were pagans. Some of our forefathers were actually atheist or agnostics. This is because some of them went against the oracles or gods f the village. My grandmother was born into paganism but did not believe in it. Atheism is worldwide. Christianity is imported

FXKing2012:

Your grandmother was a pagan does not make our forefathers pagans, ok! Our forefathers in Africa were deeply rooted in traditional beliefs which they started and established by themselves, and were wildly practised - I wonder the research that told u our forefathers were pagans.

Ptolomeus:

There is no single point to be taken seriously.
In 5,000 years the Christian God could not defeat Satan, and this nonsense is to attack the atheists?

You continue in the competition.

Deep Sight:

I have often had the feeling that being the owner of this forum you would be the repository of all the wisdom and foolishness that has herein passed. It appears that you are the repository of the latter, but not of the former.

Seun:
People dream so many dreams every night. Most of them don't come true. Once in a while, something similar to, but not exactly the same as, an event in a dream might happen in real life. This is means nothing. If you roll a pair of dice many times, once in a while you'll get two sixes. What does that mean? Nothing.


I've had many feelings: headaches, cramps, stomach ache, annoyance, anger, fear, joy, satisfaction. They are all just feelings.


Nope, that's just the way things are. There are many disorderly and senseless things in the universe too. Means nothing.

Delafruita:
first,what is atheism?in the broad context,it is a disbelief in the idea of God as been spread by religionist.modern day atheist have streamlined it into disbelief in the god of christianity,islam and judaism i.e. the unseen god.it is a misconception to assume atheists dont believe in anything.they only choose what they believe in.some choose to transfer their believe to science,others music,sport,art etc.
looking at it from that contet,our forefathers were indeed atheists because they willingly chose the object of their belief.over the years,christianity and islam were imported and the belief system of our ancestors were relegated to the backseat.
as for your five points that KILLED atheism,i'd respond chronologically:
1. the coccurence of dreams has a scientific explanation,the fact that the dreams come true does not.moreso because there is no evidence to prove that the events that occured had actually been dreamt.even if iit has,the proportion is so infinitessimal and would often happen in cases of anticipation or fear
2. this is obviously an attempt at been jocular
3. like i said earlier,atheism is basically about disbelief in the idea of God been propagated by islam and christianity.however,the question of how the universe came to be is one that scientists have battled to find an answer to.the theory of evolution definitely doesnt hold water anymore so it all came down to finding the higgs-boson which has supposedly been discovered.
4. if we were to begin the "what ifs",the internet would crash.just a few of them:
what if every just happened randomly?
what if the world has eisted for billions of years?
what if man is the god of himself?
5. when you ask about the source of life,you must realise its not just humans.there wildlife,aves,amphibians,reptiles,vegetation etc.all these are living things just like man.the bible says God passed his breath into the nostrils of adam to give him life,was the same done to all other animals?afterall the fact we dont understand the lifestyle of animals doesnt mean they are not just as coordinated as man

FXKing2012:

[color=#006600][b]A dream that comes true EXACTLY the way you dreamt it is no coincidence, let's not deceive ourselves.

1) Dreams come true: have you ever dreamed and it later happened to you in real life? Most people (if not all) have experienced this, so how do u explain it if you dont believe in the spirit realm?

2) De javu: Have you ever had a feeling of de javu? If so then how do u explain it away?

3) Universal Order: The order that exists in the universe, given the way the planets and stars complement one another, is just extraordinary and could never have been an accident; how the energy level on earth is just enough for life to flourish; how microbes, plants and animals all complement one another in the delicate balance of life, etc etc. Do you think all these is just one big coincidence? There must be an intelligent being (does not matter the name you choose to call it)behind it all.

4) Cause and Effect: For every cause there is definitely an effect. If there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced, something (or someone) must have caused it - it couldnt have all happened out of nothing./quote]

This sums up my thoughts...


[quote author=MacDaddy01]

"Before something can change, before something can act or be acted upon, it must exist."


Cause and effect does not apply to existence or the beginning of existence. Whatever caused the universe into existence has to exist itself and therefore it is a part of existence- paradox.

5) Life on Earth: Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object, so where do u think life came from? There is definitely someone out there who gave life to the first life.

Deep Sight:

All in my head? I don't know about that.

I was in Dar es Salam for a Managed Servces negotiation two weeks ago.

One night I woke up from a dream. In the dream a friend of mine who I had not seen or heard from for 16 years was sitting beside me. He simply said, Long, time, how have you been, we should hook up soon.

I last saw or thought of this fellow when we last saw back in secondary school. So I never think of him. He is entirely outside my worldview.

I got up because it was close to morning and I went online on my laptop.

The first message that fell into my mailbox was from that Friend I had just seen in the dream. It simply said, Long time, how hove you been, we should hook up soon.

I got back to Lagos and my brothers told me that he had visited my house that very day.

I know very well that it is not all in my head because since I was a child there is nothing significant that happens around me which I do not see in a dream some days or weeks in advance.

FXKing2012: All the so-called atheists are nowhere to be found, they are distraught by my arguments and they know they cant argue against my "5 pillars of spirituality". I've always known they are not as intelligent as they pretend to be, they are just a bunch of confused wannabes.

FXKing2012:

You have succeeded in saying nothing. I dont blame u though, when an atheist knows his argument is defeated he turns to such tactics as the one u just employed.

mkmyers45: POINTS TO NOTE:
1. I am not an ATHEIST

How do you know this for sure?

FXKing2012: All the so-called atheists are nowhere to be found, they are distraught by my arguments and they know they cant argue against my "5 pillars of spirituality". I've always known they are not as intelligent as they pretend to be, they are just a bunch of confused wannabes.

Ptolomeus:
I'm not an atheist.
I answered because I hate ignorance, and you are ignorant.
You are what in my country we call a "otario".
He has demonstrated his gross exposure.

FXKing2012:

First you got the definition of atheism very very wrong cos u limit it to the disbelief in God as propagated by Christians and Muslims. Nothing could be farther from the truth my dear.

Our forefathers were highly spiritual and they widely practiced traditional religion by serving, consulting and making sacrifices to all sorts of gods. I wonder why u keep calling them atheists? That is laughable to say the least.

God breathed His breath into man which is why we are spirit beings, and which is why animals dont have spirits cos God did not breathe into them. This is why we are not animals and could never be; this is why we are way higher and more superior than animals.

Your arguments are so so weak dear.

MacDaddy01:


Is this the only way out after being thoroughly debunked?

Deep Sight:

I have often had the feeling that being the owner of this forum you would be the repository of all the wisdom and foolishness that has herein passed. It appears that you are the repository of the latter, but not of the former.

Delafruita:
first,what is atheism?in the broad context,it is a disbelief in the idea of God as been spread by religionist.modern day atheist have streamlined it into disbelief in the god of christianity,islam and judaism i.e. the unseen god.it is a misconception to assume atheists dont believe in anything.they only choose what they believe in.some choose to transfer their believe to science,others music,sport,art etc.
looking at it from that contet,our forefathers were indeed atheists because they willingly chose the object of their belief.over the years,christianity and islam were imported and the belief system of our ancestors were relegated to the backseat.
as for your five points that KILLED atheism,i'd respond chronologically:
1. the coccurence of dreams has a scientific explanation,the fact that the dreams come true does not.moreso because there is no evidence to prove that the events that occured had actually been dreamt.even if iit has,the proportion is so infinitessimal and would often happen in cases of anticipation or fear
2. this is obviously an attempt at been jocular
3. like i said earlier,atheism is basically about disbelief in the idea of God been propagated by islam and christianity.however,the question of how the universe came to be is one that scientists have battled to find an answer to.the theory of evolution definitely doesnt hold water anymore so it all came down to finding the higgs-boson which has supposedly been discovered.
4. if we were to begin the "what ifs",the internet would crash.just a few of them:
what if every just happened randomly?
what if the world has eisted for billions of years?
what if man is the god of himself?
5. when you ask about the source of life,you must realise its not just humans.there wildlife,aves,amphibians,reptiles,vegetation etc.all these are living things just like man.the bible says God passed his breath into the nostrils of adam to give him life,was the same done to all other animals?afterall the fact we dont understand the lifestyle of animals doesnt mean they are not just as coordinated as man

FXKing2012:

Pot calling kettle black.

FXKing2012:

Then what are u if not an atheist cos I know u are definitely not a theist.

You ask how I am sure dreams come true? Do u wanna claim you have never experienced it yourself?

Deep Sight:

I have often had the feeling that being the owner of this forum you would be the repository of all the wisdom and foolishness that has herein passed. It appears that you are the repository of the latter, but not of the former.

noetic16:

I was about to respond to that, then I saw your post you just made my week. lol

I laugh in japanese. No offence, but Seun's response was absolutely dumb.