Kay 17:

I doubt the credibilty of your story. Dreams are not rare or the preserve of the selected few, everyone dreams. Based on most experiences, having dreams doesn't prove a knowledge of the future, if not all that dreams will be able to conclusively show dreams are future events.

There is no way, you can show reasonably that your story is not false.

Ishilove:
Did I not say it? Another bullsheeit artist giving us what he knows best; Bullsheeit.

So you mean to tell us that the youngman concoted the story for our reading pleasure,right?

How long are you people going to keep denying what is clearly evident; there are supernatural forces in existence which can not be explained by science. Science does not have up to 20% of the answers to the mysteries of this life.

You cannot begin to imagine what some people have seen,what they have witnessed. I personally have experienced some of these things,dreamt dreams and seen visions that came to pass in almost 100% exactness. No bloody scientist can tell me I imagined these things or somehow made them happen with my subconcious. That's just plain bullsheeit

Kay 17:

A man is not incapable of creating fiction. Besides, justifying his experience with Supernatural ( which suggests irrational) concludes we live in a disorganised, chaotic, randomized world!

FXKing2012:

Truthfully, I dont even know how to classify you anymore. You believe there are powers beyond our physical realm yet you dont believe there is a God, does that make sense to you? It's like u believe there is satan but no God - so stupid!

And abt the dream, God had already done something about it by showing it to the person, do u expect God to come down to personally stop it? He showed it to the person in a dream and the person was supposed to be wise enough to do all he can to stop it. God will not come down to do for us what we can do for ourselves. You remind me of those u build/sell under high tension wire, when the wire trips and kills some of them they start blaming God for it.

Kay 17:

I doubt the credibilty of your story. Dreams are not rare or the preserve of the selected few, everyone dreams. Based on most experiences, having dreams doesn't prove a knowledge of the future, if not all that dreams will be able to conclusively show dreams are future events.

There is no way, you can show reasonably that your story is not false.

Deep Sight:

I have often had the feeling that being the owner of this forum you would be the repository of all the wisdom and foolishness that has herein passed. It appears that you are the repository of the latter, but not of the former.

Kay 17:

A man is not incapable of creating fiction. Besides, justifying his experience with Supernatural ( which suggests irrational) concludes we live in a disorganised, chaotic, randomized world!

Delafruita:
my admission of some spiritual realm doesnt mean i dont believe there is a "God".i said it doesnt ptove the eistence of the christian god.muslims believe there are humans and there are jinns.jinns are supposedly spiritual creatures in a parallel realm who sometimes associate with man by running spiritual errands.jinns are supposed to be powerful beings.you accused me of being a muslim on another thread and if by this submission,you feel your suspicion was correct,then so be it.however,i am not a muslim but i am not averse to learning islam.i have the quran in my house and sometimes listen to islamic sermons.i learnt as much as i could about islam just as i learnt as much as i could about xtianity and other religions.
my point about existence of jinns in the islamic world is to let you understand that man,in a quest to explain circumstances he cant fathom comes up with religious connection.my point is simply that the existence of spiritual stuff doesnt provide evidence for the xtian god

Ishilove:
Just hold on,the 'all-knowing' and 'rational' sceptics are coming to analyse your narration and give you some bullsheeit theories about coincidence,subconscious prompting and flashforwarding.

Ishilove:
The fact is that there are mysterious forces at work in this world which can not be boxed in into the narrow confines of 'reason'

FXKing2012:

Pls dont mind these blind atheists, they are so lost and dont even know it.

FXKing2012:


They will soon start asking you for proof and so many other WH questions.

FXKing2012:

Pls dont mind these blind atheists, they are so lost and dont even know it. They will soon start asking you for proof and so many other WH questions.

ghostofsparta:


[OFF-TOPIC]
If you want to see mystery, enter Ifa and or Ishegun....infact they aren't totally mystery too because when you begin to study it with a scientific mind... you'd figure out they are what I term Yoruba Advanced Sciences mostly based on complex psychical intelligence articulated into what most erroneously call 'juju'/'charms' which brings forth supernatural result though at times with an befitting condition (not consequence). If you ask... I can give you an instance.

ghostofsparta:
Give me evidential proof of the three headed beasts, or Satan the Devil, or Jeovah/Yaweh, or Angel Michael or Angel Gabriel. I can give you proof of Ogun, Eshu or Shango if you demand.

vescucci: This is just a call to put aside all the 'my penis is bigger than yours' merry-go-round.

ghostofsparta:
Give me evidential proof of the three headed beasts, or Satan the Devil, or Jeovah/Yaweh, or Angel Michael or Angel Gabriel. I can give you proof of Ogun, Eshu or Shango if you demand.

vescucci: It's possible to prove something exists, no matter how hard it is. However, it's impossible to prove something does not exist no matter how ridiculous it is. This is probably layman logic, but I believe it makes sense. The atheist position is somewhat untenable. The religionists position is mutually exclusive bedlam. [b]One position is harmless. The other is not. [b]

davidylan:

I have proof... but i will show you the very minute you show me EVIDENTIAL PROOF of the big b[i]a[/i]ng and evolution.

ghostofsparta:
Well...
I believe theHomer and areaBoy have done that, which started when you fell into my trap here: https://www.nairaland.com/986687/how-murdered-5-argument-killed#11401149

As for evidence of the Big B*ng theory, check here:
https://www.nairaland.com/989023/evidence-bing-b4ng-theory#11417191

I didn't state I'm going to give evidence of the Big B4ng Theory nor Evolution, I was the first to demand that you show me evidence of an Angel/Jeovah/Allah/ and I'll give you evidence of any of the pagan deities I listed above....I'm still waiting o.

Ishilove:
I'll get back to the rest of your claims,but first I'm 'asking', so hit me.

ghostofsparta:

I'm glad you ask. Sorry I took this long to reply, been busy replying religionists.

Talking about MYSTERY, shei?

We all know science differs from the subject of 'supernatural', particularly the supernatural claims of the abrahamic religions - Christianity, Judaism and Islam which have been debunked times without number.

The supernatural claim I will be using as an instance is from our own belief-system. There is an aspect of Ifa called 'ishegun' (craft of ogun).

*Not Ogun the deity or Ogun state nor ogun(medicine).

Ogun is falsely called juju/charm/amulet purported to bring about supernatural results. The ishe-ogun is what I call Yoruba Advance Sciences and the end product YAS. Many youth prefer to call it 'jaz'.

To go into the intricacies of how it work (a research I personally undertook and still study, in a scholarly sense, rather than practical) would be completely off-topic as it's quite complex to explain. To do that I will have to create another thread for that if you want me to, so let me just give you a realistic instance of how it does relates to MYSTERY.

The ancient Yorubas i.e. Pagan Yorubas of Old had needn't one Isaac Newton to explain to them about gravity. They understood the physical laws of gravity. Consider the Yoruba proverb; “lala' tio ba re oke, ile ni mbo” meaning ('lala' [very light flake] that goes up, it's bound to come back down). They understood the physical laws of nature to such a degree that, through the knowledge of Ifa they knew reality transcends what our 5 senses could detect.

In ishegun, a branch of Ifa that deals with 'supernatural magic' (not trick/illusion magic used in the field of entertainment/amusement) an onishegun (a practitioner of ishegun) knows what to incantate into an object to make it remain suspended in thin air when thrown up. That is supernatural because it such act as defied 'law of gravity'. This I have seen. To understand what makes it work would remain a mystery only to those who don't know how modern science can be use to help analyse it, which is not only where I come in but also what drives my interest.

Ishilove:
Please do me a personal favour and create a separate thread discussing this. I AM VERY interested

ghostofsparta:

I just recently discovered from your profile topics and posts that you are staunch christian proselytiser. I falsely assume you are just someone who just wanted to learn from divergent views.

Ishilove:
Indeed I am a staunch follower of Christ,but it dosent stop me from being interested in African culture and traditions

ghostofsparta:

Fair enough.

I could have just culled most of my would be explanations from a lengthy write-up I have been composing for 3 years now...titled: `Why I Am Not Yet An Atheist' but I lost the file to the thief who stole my laptop.

I need to go wash mom's car right now, afterwards, give me an hour or three to type it. I will post the link to the thread when I create it.

MacDaddy01:


As for evolution, I debunked Davidylan long time ago. He cant try me on evolution


https://www.nairaland.com/922920/destruction-creationists-olaadegbu-brainpulse-bigd4050

Kay 17: ^^
The atheist only needs something to hold on to and that is whatever the theist says. The theist has to explain/espouse his concept/idea of God, and that's what criticized.

ghostofsparta:

I know you know the religionist position is harmful. An atheist may prove Dracula never existed because it's evidently a work of fiction, a religionist position would definitely be - because everyone thinks of Dracula as a demon who feeds on human blood, therefore he must exist (appeal to fear/emotion). The position of a religious apologist such as Davidylan and DeepDaftedSight would be - since vampire bats exists therefore it's very much likely Dracula must have existed. Now you see how that can be harmful to the kids.