ogugua88:
[size=13pt]Exactly. That's the statement I saw and disagree with.

"Rising number of youths becoming homosexuals = rise in HIV."

Can you honestly say that sounds right? Isn't there a missing puzzle? Let's say I'm homosexual. Does that mean the HIV rate has just risen? Or do I have to partake in something in an unsafe manner with an infected someone, and then contract HIV, for the rate to go up?

Do you see my point now?[/size]

Stop being pedantic. How many homosexuals engage in safe rectal intercourse (whatever that means)? It has been proven again and again that the prevalence of HIV infection is much higher among homosexuals. Your basic epidemiology should tell you that if the practice of homosexuality rises in the general population, then it's going to drive the prevalence up unless some intervention is brought to bear on the situation. So yes: "Rising number of youths becoming homosexuals = rise in HIV."

InesQor: ...
What do you think of these three scenarios? Do they seem familiar to you?

Longest time, bro. How are you doing?

Logicboy03: Defining morality with the bible. Only christians understand true morality abi? mtchew.

or morality started with the bible?

As I said elsewhere, the word "morality" does not occur in the Bible. What the Bible talks about is Sin, Redemption & Judgement. God is the Grundnorm and arbiter of what is good and evil. Atheists and all other men who rebel against God are only pursuing their own flawed definitions of good and evil. I repeat:

aletheia:
"Morality" - the tattered fig leaves that nairaland atheists desperately cling to - all in a bid to escape the inescapable reality that atheists are constitutionally incapable of doing any good deed. Yes the bible says so:
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (Isa 64:6)

mazaje:
. . .This delusion pass my power. . . .

In that Day not very far off now, when all your lies are stripped away and your excuses flee...you shall know what delusion truly is.

Logicboy03: Please, name just one (yes, just one) good deed that a person that believes in your God can do but an atheist (a person who disbelieves in God) can not do. Also remember to explain why

"Morality" - the tattered fig leaves that nairaland atheists desperately cling to - all in a bid to escape the inescapable reality that atheists are constitutionally incapable of doing any good deed. Yes the bible says so:
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (Isa 64:6)

But of course figuratively, fig leaves represent man's effort at covering the unclothedness of sin - what basically amounts to the atheist's "morality". But as God Himself showed Adam & Eve, only by the shedding of blood can covering be provided.

1. Any "good" deed done by an atheist is like the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It is pleasant to the eyes, and desirous but the end result is death. So like poison which may have the "good" qualities of smelling and tasting good but nonetheless filled with gall are the "good" acts of atheists.

2. All good deeds done by a Christian are good indeed like fruit from the tree of life. As it is written:
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
(Psa 1:1-6)

Thus the atheist and the Christian are like two trees. The evil atheist tree can only bear evil fruit no matter how good it may appear unto men. And the good Christian tree can only bear good fruit unto the Lord.

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (Mat 7:17-18)

Logicboy03: Do you agree with this analysis of atheism?
https://www.nairaland.com/1198534/cowardice-atheism/10#14364222

In four words:

All Atheists Are Evil

Logicboy03:
...Or are you saying that there is no difference between a pedophile and an atheist?

There is no difference between evil atheists and evil paedophiles. The sham poll is an example of a double bind.

dekung:
Have you read your bible at all. What is Moral about your sadistic God? Why did God denounce Saul? Was it not because he(Saul) Did not fully carry out his murderous campaign? Do you know the number of people Moses asked his soldiers to kill in the name of God? There was a part in your bible where Moses asked the soldiers to kill all the males POWs, kill all the female POWs who were not virgin, and then take for themselves those that have not known any man. Is that a moral God? You may say these were Moses' instruction and not God but your Yahweh is vicariously liable for all the attrocities commited in his name and under his direction

Read my post just before yours.

The word "moral" is not in the Bible. What the Bible talks about is Sin & Redemption & Judgement.

Let's get something clear: The character of God is the same...whether in the OT of the NT. He is the unchanging Holy One who abhors sin and will recompense to the wicked, evil atheists such as yourself their just desserts! It is evil, deluded atheists like yourself and a few confused Christians who think otherwise.

Compare these 2 passages:
Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
(Isa 63:2-4)

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And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
(Rev 14:19-20)

Or these 2:
And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
(Eze 39:17-18)

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And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
(Rev 19:17-18)

As you see they are parallel passages - one from the OT, the other from the NT. On the Day of the Lord when He judges the nations, blood will flow!

The message of the bible is couched in types and similitudes.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
(1Co 10:11)
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
(Rom 15:4)

1. Israel is the archetype of the church. Just as the children of Israel spent a time in the wilderness of Kadesh Barnea &c, so must the church spend a season in this wilderness that we call the world.

2. Just as God withheld judgement until the iniquity of the Amorites reached full measure, even so He presently forebears until the iniquity of men reaches its full measure.

3. Just as Joshua (who is indeed a type of Christ even to bearing the same name) led the children of Israel across Jordan to mete out God's righteous judgement on the iniquitous Amorites, even so will Joshua (Jesus) our King, lead the Church Militant & Triumphant as He returns to mete out righteous judgement on the unholy and ungodly like you.

It is written:

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
(Jud 1:14-15)

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(Rev 19:11-14)

mazaje: You have no right to get mad at muslims who do the same to you. . .After all sin to Allah is more deadly than cancer . . .

The example Jesus holds up and commands me to follow constrains me from getting mad at Stalin or Muslims who kill Christians:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Mat 5:38-39)

Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. (1Pe 3:9)
And I did say this:

aletheia:
There is a difference between me and Stalin. I haven''t killed any atheists yet. I would rather they become followers of Jesus Christ.

The Muslim god does not understand sin or holiness so your statement "After all sin to Allah is more deadly than cancer" is false.

mazaje: The problem is why not just ask them to repent?. ..Why kill them and their kids ?. . .

The children of Israel were the instrument of God's righteous judgement on the demonized, wicked and depraved Amorites of Canaan. It is interesting to note that you lot rail against the judgement of God carried out on the Canaanites but are silent over their burning of their sons and daughters in sacrifice to their gods. The Amorites were judged at the time when their sins had reached the full measure just as all nations will be judged in their own time.
And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. (Gen 15:13-16)

Even the Israelites in time were punished by God through the Assyrians, the Babylonians and the Romans for their sin.
The lesson here is that God will punish sin and every unholy conduct including those of atheists.

Logicboy03: lol....is that all you can say?

Your morality has gone out the window. What is the difference between yo an stalin? Killen men and boys who dont follow your beliefs?

There is a difference between me and Stalin. I haven''t killed any atheists yet. I would rather they become followers of Jesus Christ. I repeat:

Sin is more deadly, more virulent and of more lasting consequences than cancer. If you sin, you will die. Simple.

Logicboy03:
Yes, the same god that committed genocides and ordered slavery in the old testament?

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites

"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho."

"Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Numbers 31:7-18 NLT

Trying to apply what? An emotional hook...
Cause and effect is clearly shown in the quoted passage above. In order to cure cancer, every last cell must be extirpated. Sin is more deadly, more virulent and of more lasting consequences than cancer. If you sin, you will die. Simple.

dekung:
Guy you do not have a point. Morality is personal and it has nothing to do with wether you believe in God or not.

The basis for right and wrong is not personal but founded on the character of God. Man shares certain attributes of God since we are created in His image. It therefore follows that morality precedes religion or any choice to believe or not believe that God exists.
For, when nations that have not a law, by nature may do the things of the law, these not having a law--to themselves are a law; who do shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also witnessing with them, and between one another the thoughts accusing or else defending, Rom 2:14-15
Because of your sin-riddled nature, you can chose to have your own personal but flawed framework of morality, choosing to live a life apart from God. That choice is nothing but a manifestation of the consequences of the same choice made by Adam in the Garden:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. (Gen 3:5-7)

You have chosen to be your own gods and thus you proclaim your own morality. Stalin was acting consistently within his own sense of morality. Definitely he saw nothing wrong in killing off believers in God. And you self-acclaimed atheists have no basis whatsoever in your personal "moralities" for saying he did wrong.

dekung: ...which God are actually talking about, is it Ra, Yahweh, Vishnu, Olodumare...

From the rising of the sun to the place where it sets,
the name of the LORD is to be praised.
The LORD is exalted over all the nations,
his glory above the heavens.
Who is like the LORD our God,
the One who sits enthroned on high,
who stoops down to look
on the heavens and the earth? (Ps 113:3-6)

From Zion, perfect in beauty,
God shines forth.
Our God comes and will not be silent;
a fire devours before him,
and around him a tempest rages.
He summons the heavens above,
and the earth, that he may judge his people:
"Gather to me my consecrated ones,
who made a covenant with me by sacrifice."
And the heavens proclaim his righteousness,
for God himself is judge. (Ps 50:2-6)

You know the God of Whom I speak.

Logicboy03:
Wow.


I never knew that you could be persistently dumb. I think you need to read up on some philosophy and morality and evolution. You are ignorant but I'm here to educate you.

You are a grade A certified îdîot. You fail to come to terms with your own words from the alluded thread:

Logicboy03:
Another example would be survival. Naturally, our survival is our basic animalistic instinct. We avoid predators and haards that would kill us. Instinctively, a dog would recoil at the sight of fire or a mouse would recoil at the sight of a predator. We also kill other to survive. We kill agressors and predators or we kill prey to eat &c

I repeat:

aletheia:
From logicboy's evolutionary standpoint. . .those killed are those who fell in the race for "survival of the fittest". Those who survived will reproduce and pass on their survival skills to their progeny thus increasing the "survival quotient" of the species. . .why then do you atheist struggle with that? Be consistent to your worldview.

aletheia:
You are typically as dense and the dunce as ever. . .who is talking about "strongest"? The "fittest" according to your religion of evolution are those who survived Stalin and will therefore live to pass on their survival skills to their progeny. So be consistent: from your evolutionary standpoint, it is neither morally good nor morally bad to "kill people for beliefs": it is just one the mechanisms by which "natural selection" ensures that the weaker members of the herd are culled. Be consistent to your atheistic view.

Logicboy03:
Atheism = evolution?

Atheism = social darwinism?

Evolution is a religion?

The cowardice of atheism is deep-rooted. . .especially as demonstrated by logicboy.

You say there is no God.

You say that life on earth came to be and proceeds by evolution

. . .but your cowardice keeps shying away from the necessary conclusion your Godless worldview demands.

aletheia:
. . .from your evolutionary standpoint, it is neither morally good nor morally bad to "kill people for beliefs": it is just one the mechanisms by which "natural selection" ensures that the weaker members of the herd are culled. Be consistent to your atheistic view.

"Morality" is the shredded fig leaves that you atheists hold on to to cover your nakȇdnȇss and excuse your foolishness: evidence that you have well consumed fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The Grundnorm for "morality" is God therefore ipso facto it cannot originate from within man.

dekung:
There is this Lady who constantly argues the God thingy with me all the time, she reads her bible every now and then as if its going out of fashion and early in the morning she is the first to wake up and pray. She has completed all the membership classes in her church and when she sings at house fellowship she is like a nightingale. Deep down in my mind, I thought this girl has NEVER seen a naked man in her life but I was shocked when, last week, she told me in passing that the last time she was ill, she teased the guy she is dating she was pregnant! As if that was not enough she said the guy pleaded with her to please do something about the pregnancy because his wife must never find out &c.

Which is why attempts at using examples of hypocrites and those who have fallen short of God's standard as an example that atheists are "moral" is indeed a pathetic attempt at special pleading.

Logicboy03:
BY the way, survival of the fittest doesnt always translate to the strongest. I could be the smartest, the most adpatable etc

You are typically as dense and the dunce as ever. . .who is talking about "strongest"? The "fittest" according to your religion of evolution are those who survived Stalin and will therefore live to pass on their survival skills to their progeny. So be consistent: from your evolutionary standpoint, it is neither morally good nor morally bad to "kill people for beliefs": it is just one the mechanisms by which "natural selection" ensures that the weaker members of the herd are culled. Be consistent to your atheistic view.

Logicboy03:
Why kill people for beliefs? Isnt that what was wrong with religion in the first place?

From logicboy's evolutionary standpoint. . .those killed are those who fell in the race for "survival of the fittest". Those who survived will reproduce and pass on their survival skills to their progeny thus increasing the "survival quotient" of the species. . .why then do you atheist struggle with that? Be consistent to your worldview.

Logicboy03: Stalin was an intelligent man despite being a psychopathic killer. . .&c

Despite your half-hearted efforts, your post reeks of your admiration for Stalin and his methods. At least he was a more consistent atheist than the pretentious wannabe that you are. . .and on what grounds as an atheist is Stalin "wrong in executing religious people."?

plaetton: . . .
even if the train stopped passing by,the rail tracks would be evidence that a train , or something similar, used to pass by.

Here is an example of the inconsistent, illogical atheist worldview. So "the rail tracks would be evidence for the train &c". . .and yet the Cosmos in all it's multi-arrayed beauty and order is not evidence for God?

frosbel:
For example why can't I go to a building where the church congregates in a pair of Jeans , shirt and trainers ?

Stop chasing shadows and bringing up straw men arguments. Has any one prevented you from going to church "in a pair of jeans, shirt and trainers"?

*Nigeria Will Have a Terrible outing in the forthcoming AFCON. The country will barely move out of group stages.

A Northern African country will lift the cup while another West African country will come 2nd.

Err. . .Acidtalk, how far?

Nigeria don reach final.

acidtalk: I still dey laugh oh!
Shebi na Cote d ivore una wan play next??

Shebi dem don play Cote D'Ivoire. You be false prophet.

frosbel:

Nice article.


I used to follow that web site religiously every month for a long period, was sad when David died, I think his Son took over, but it was never really the same.

Truly, it hasn't been the same since he died. Some really powerful sermons there.

"Church" is an English word. It is derived from the Old English cirice and denotes a "public place of worship".

The actual Greek word translated as "church" is ekklēsia which literally means 'called out'. Thus it does not pertain to physical structures or assemblages but rather to the fact that believers are called out. . .and so truly where two or three of those of us called out are gathered together in His name, there He is in the midst of us.

The contention arises because all too often it is in the human condition to substitute form for substance.
. . .and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. 2 Ki 18:4

try69: I was invited recently by a friend to one of the big churches for mid week service. Because I'm not really into the loud xtianity tin, I maintained my composure throughout the service but was stunned when the pastor's wife who took charge of the service focused her sermon on tithes, first fruits and giving to your pastor. What baffled me was when she said that giving(sowing) to your parents or siblings who will only tell you thank you is actually "sowing to the flesh" and that it doesn't carry heavenly blessings but that when you sow to your pastor, you get heavenly blessings.
People please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe giving to your parents and the less privileged is Love for Neighbour which is the ultimate commandment and so label that teaching a false one aimed at defrauding the people of God.

^
That "pastor" is a greedy money-grubbing Pharisee.
And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."
Mark 7:9-13

Study the Bible and especially the words of Jesus to arm yourself against this sort of rubbish preaching.

Reyginus: If fool in the bible means that exactly, why then do you think the word(from Psalm 14) is exclusive to atheists?

^Because the atheists "hath said in his heart, There is no God. . ."

What is wrong with you? Which atheist has declared 'There is God'? Those verses apply especially to atheists and to everyone else who carries on as if there is no God.

miiraaj: I still don't understand this middle belt wahala. They should please change the forum to Northern Christian Group. The last time I checked,kebbi state isn't part of the middle belt.

The Middle Belt is not about States. It is a region that includes southern Kebbi and even southern Borno.