ichuka:

Longtime bro

aletheia:
KJV. . .preferred. Used to read the NIV until I read the preface and realized the subtlety of it's translators in watering down the true meaning of certain key bible verses.

@Jesoul: The Message is a terrible (in more sense than one) translation.

aletheia:
It is no surprise that the NIV is what it is. . .it's source is the Vatican via the corrupted catholic Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.

aletheia:

Another cut-and-paste job. Firstly to dispel your insinuation that one is a KJV-only proponent. I am not. Secondly, you are only reiterating what I wrote using albeit a different form of words and from your anti-KJV bias.

For clarity, I reiterate, the KJV is based on the Textus Receptus, while your preferred translations are based on the Westcort-Hott text which is a compilation of Roman Catholic texts (what irony for frosbel the crusading anti-RCC). Or don't you understand what Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus imply?

And your last sentence is untrue: the sources of the Textus Receptus are as old, if not older than the sources used by the NIV and NASB.

Now we come to the acid tests which we will apply to your preferred translations:
A. The omission of Acts 8:37
New International Version - omits Acts 8:37
New Living Translation - omits Acts 8:37
English Standard Version - omits Acts 8:37
New American Standard Bible - sort of omits Acts 8:37
International Standard Version - omits Acts 8:37
GOD'S WORD Translation - omits Acts 8:37
American Standard Version - keeps Acts 8:37

Acts 8:36-38
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Of course we see just how bereft the verses are when verse 37 is taken out. The message is lost!

B. The omission of the words "through His blood" in Col 1:14.
New International Version - in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
New Living Translation - who purchased our freedom and forgave our sins.
English Standard Version - in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
New American Standard Bible - in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
International Standard Version - through whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
GOD'S WORD Translation - His Son paid the price to free us, which means that our sins are forgiven.
American Standard Version - in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:

Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

That we are redeemed through his blood is central to the bible's message from Genesis to Revelation (but of course views such as yours demand that his blood was not necessary for atonement, so I won't be surprised if in time you open threads saying so).

Any version of the Bible which omits Acts 8:37, or "through His blood," in Col. 1:14, evidently has for its foundation a corrupted manuscript. This corruption can be traced to Origen in 200 A.D. He is supposed to have corrected numerous portions of the sacred manuscripts. However evidence to the contrary shows that he changed them to agree with his own human philosophy of mystical and allegorical ideas. Thus certain so-called original MSS. are corrupt and it is evidently from this source the translations you are fond of have come. Origen taught the "LOGOS" is "KTISMA," meaning the Lord Jesus Christ is a created being (evidently you and he are in concord on this). Thus, he could easily omit Acts 8:37 and other texts which testify to Christ's deity. . .and it is therefore not surprising that you gravitate to translations that affirm your own views rather than translations that remain faithful to the original Greek MSS.

Here is the history of your Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus. . .your supposed earliest MSS.
1. 331 A.D. Constantine ordered that an "ecumenical Bible" be written that would be acceptable to every stripe of Christian that was under his jurisdiction. A man by the name of Eusebius was assigned to direct this undertaking. Eusebius was a follower of Origen who rejected the deity of Christ.

2. 1481 A.D. The Vatican manuscript was discovered in the Vatican Library. This is a corrupted manuscript which repeatedly casts aside the deity of Christ. It reflects the Arianism of Origen and is thought by some to be one of the surviving manuscripts done be Eusebius at the command of Constantine. The date of its writing coincides with the "ecumenical Bible" of Constantine.

3. 1844 A.D. The Sinaitic manuscript was discovered at Mt. Sinai in the monastery of Saint Catherine. It agrees closely with the Vatican manuscript and minimises the deity of Christ and is Arian in nature. It is safe to suggest that these two manuscripts were two of the fifty that were written for Constantine.

aletheia:
^^^I visited the link above but unfortunately, the author circles around the matter without quite addressing it, making emotional arguments as to why the NIV is an okay translation. He talks about words being missing but ignores the question of what words are missing from the NIV. . .and that is important. Remember: "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."?

I used to use the NIV until I was dismayed to read this in its preface: "Because for most readers today the phrase "the Lord of hosts" and "God of hosts" have little meaning, this version renders them "the Lord Almighty" and "God Almighty." These renderings convey the sense of the Hebrew, namely, "he who is sovereign over all the 'hosts' (powers) in heaven and on earth, especially over the 'hosts' (armies) of Israel." For readers unacquainted with Hebrew this does not make clear the distinction between Sabaoth ("hosts" or "Almighty" and Shaddai (which can also be translated "Almighty", but the latter occurs infrequently and is always footnoted. When Adonai and YHWH Sabaoth occur together, they are rendered "the Lord, the Lord Almighty."

This set me to wondering: If the translators treated the substituted the Name of the Lord in this way; were there other substitutions they were silent about? This led me to search more about the NIV.

In fact the preface of the NIV answers that question; sad that I used it for so may years without having read it.  Here are some red flag phrases from its preface.

. . .the meaning of the writers of the Bible demands frequent modifications in sentence structures and constant regard for the contextual meaning of words.

. . .Sometimes vowel letters and vowel signs did not, in the judgment of the translators, represent the correct vowels for the original consonantal text. Accordingly some words were read with a different set of vowels. These instances are usually not indicated by footnotes.

Here some reasons why we should be cautious in using the NIV:

1. Whereas the King James Bible mentions the "Godhead" three times, the NIV has completely removed the word.
2. You won't find the word "propitiation" in the NIV either. In fact, all of the following words have been removed from the Bible by the NIV translators: regeneration, mercyseat, Calvary, remission, Jehovah, immutable, omnipotent, Comforter, Holy Ghost, Messiah, quickened, infallible. One of the most blasphemous omissions in the NIV is in John 3:16 where Jesus is no longer proclaimed as the "only BEGOTTEN Son of God."

This last omission is the door through which the WoF crowd like Joagbaje drive their doctrine of Jesus being just another born-again man through.

The NIV translators removed 64,576 words as compared to the King James Bible! Words are very important! God put “every Word” there for a reason, i.e., so we could live by them! As, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

3. Modern Bibles are corrupt and; therefore, produce corrupt teachings (another example is the Message translation). Just the fact that the NIV translators completely removed the critically important Word, “GODHEAD” from Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 is reason enough to put it aside!

4. The word "sodomite" is completely gone, as is the words: fornication, trucebreakers, winebibbers, carnal, slothful, unthankful, effeminate, backbiting, vanity, lasciviousness, whoredom, devils, Lucifer, damnation, brimstone, and the bottomless pit.

Consider this very telling omission of the NIV. Compare these two translations:

Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.(NIV)

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.(KJV)

Do you notice how great a change in meaning is effected by the NIV's translation? The Deity of Jesus  is denied! God is changed to a mere he. And yet in the original Greek manuscript the word there is "God." What possible technical reason pertaining to translation did the NIV translators have to substitute "he" fpr God?

There are many more reasons but these are just a few. I pray that as you search you will uncover the rest of the reasons as to why the NIV is an appalling translation that often leads to error.

P.S. Please Google "Dr. Marten Woudstra"

barcanista:
You can't dip your hands into public scarce resources and expect to be hailed even if you were the best performer.

barcanista:
The incoming Vice President

danjohn:
aletheia, I am so sorry for my delayed response. I have been working on a more complex model than the one I created last time. This election is a lot harder to model. There are many factors to consider and at this point I think both candidates are more evenly matched than they were in 2011. I will spend time this weekend to finish work on my model and have it ready for you. My sincere apologies for my delayed follow up.

Omooba77:
ABUJA – FOR presiding over the affairs of Nigeria as its president in the last three years, President Goodluck Jonathan has pocketed N4.323 billion as salary...
The document showed that the president yearly salary stands at N14, 410, 290. 48 yearly.

PassingShot:
The bolded part of your post proves your "unbiased stand" indeed.

PassingShot:
Does it even make any sense to you that you do a study without factoring in the realities on ground?

Kingsimmer:

hey dude! av been waiting peaceful for decemba


alas! here comes december!!! has d project bin handed over
hmmmm

Abuja-Kaduna rail reaches 100% per cent completion

The Abuja-Kaduna Standard Rail Gauge project has been completed and will soon become operational, according to the Minister of Transport, Sen. Idris Umar.

Umar announced this in Rigasa, Kaduna State, at a ceremony to mark the completion of the laying of the tracks for the project.

Vice President Namadi Sambo inaugurated the track-laying at Idu, Abuja, in July 2013.

In June, 2014, the Ministry of Transport also marked the attainment of 100 km of track-laying for the project in Doko, Kaduna State.

Umar said the track-laying of the rail mordernisation project was 100 per cent completed, adding however, that what was left was the electrical and communication work.

"Today, we have achieved 100 per cent track-laying of the Abuja-Kaduna Standard Rail Gauge of 186 km. What is left is the electrical and communication work which will be fully completed in a couple of weeks."

PassingShot:

You are very wrong to think that voters turnout in Gombe, Bauchi or any other state in the region that craves for powere so badly will be anything around 20 or 30 percent.

PassingShot:

So for research purpose you can only assume a uniform percentage which is what I have done.

PassingShot:
This is a revision to my first prediction of the 2015 presidential Election which was well commented on.

The revision was necessitated by some of the comments received from the first one which you can find here: https://www.nairaland.com/2059493/2015-presidential-election-more-objective

Tearg1:


Young Man U have a point!!! Perhaps winning of competition should not be classed as achievement...

The key question is, within 18months, was GMB able to affect the lives of Nigerians positively??! If your answer is yes, then state what you benefitted from that regime..

Rawani:
Here are some of General Buhari's numerous achievements while in office; for FREE

[s]1. The wrestling of a major concession from OPEC in 1984 to increase Nigeria's oil production quota from 1.3 million barrels to 1.45 million barrels per day.[/s]

2. The initiation of a public campaign against indiscipline known as "War Against Indiscipline" (WAI). This policy won him national and universal applause, as a result of its effectiveness.

[s]3. In order to reform the economy, as Head of State, Buhari started to rebuild the nation's social-political and economic systems, along the realities of Nigeria's austere economic conditions. The rebuilding included removing or cutting back the excesses in national expenditure, obliterate or remove completely corruption from the nation's social ethics, shifting from mainly public sector employment to self employment. Buhari also encouraged import substitution industrialisation based to a great extent on the use of local materials and he tightened importation.

4. General Buhari in 1984, was able to achieve 15 percent cut from Shagari's 1983 Budget.[/s]

[s]5. The victory of Nigeria's Under-17 Team (the Golden Eagles) at the Kodak World Cup Soccer Competition in China in August, 1985.[/s]

6. Even as a Military Head of State, Buhari maintained and enhanced diplomatic relations with all countries and international organisations such as the OAU, UN, OPEC, ECOWAS and the Commonwealth of Nations. He also honoured all treaty obligations entered into by previous governments.

7. The freezing of accounts of political parties and corrupt ex-political office holders in the Second Republic in 1984.

8. The change of colour of the nation's currency notes (except the fifty kobo note) in April 1984 to stop currency trafficking. The exercise rendered almost half of the estimated N6 billion in circulation worthless at the expiration of the change.

9. The launching of the Expanded Immunization Programme (EPI) in May, 1984.

10. [s]The wrestling of a major concession from OPEC in 1984 to increase Nigeria's oil production quota from 1.3 million barrels to 1.45 million barrels per day.[/s]

BONUS:

11. The introduction of a new Customs Tariff, which reduced the range of import duties from between zero and 500 per cent to between 5 per cent and 200 per cent.

12. The granting of import duty exemption to only twenty items including agricultural implements, air craft, fuels, lubricants, educational films, technical assistance materials etc.

13. The imposition of a levy on dormant companies

14.The rescheduling of the nation's short term trade debts valued at over =N=5 billion and the subsequent issuance of promissory notes to the uninsured creditors.

15. The procurement of new Air Buses by Nigeria Airways in 1985 to boost air transportation.

Note that all these were achieved in less than 3 years, and his outstanding achievements as PTF chairman have not been mentioned.

Sai Buhari 2015!

PassingShot:


Ok. I will try and post it here when done. But Surely I will not give Osun and Oyo to Jonathan because I'm certain he can't win there if the election is free and fair.

PassingShot:
This exercise is an attempt to picture how the next presidential election will be won and lost.

GenBuhari: If only 53% it beg the question even more why the hysteria over Ebola whereas Rabies is approx 100%

If you separate white cases and African cases you will find that death rate amongst whites is probably about 15% and African about 90%

This would show you the real death rate should really be 15%.

So why the hysteria when there is no hysteria for Rabies that is 100%?

OrlandoOwoh: But everybody that has it in Nigeria dies? How come no cure has been found for this disease since 1976?

GenBuhari: Ok what about his colleagues why have they not been infected?

How about the family or friends he lives with?

Ishilove: ...While their counterparts in the Middle East the previous year bled and died during the Arab spring, Nigerians conducted their own 'Naija spring' on the internet, circulating funny pictures and memes as their own contribution to the struggle.

NwaNimo1: The only connection is that they are 'man made' viruses produced and released to depopulate!

(Black man - wake up)

aletheia: . . .the CCR5Δ32 mutation which is much more common in the European population and confers protection against HIV

. . .it has been shown that CCR5Δ32 does not confer protection against Yersinia pestis, the presumed causative agent of the Black Death but does confer some protection against viral haemorrhagic diseases like Ebola.

adeoladrg:

Answer the question! Would you have him transplant his organ in Nigeria or go abroad! Yes? No?