Finally.. eye haff open for us...

Kobojunkie:
God's word is freely available in the Bibles which can be purchased in the markets for those who really care to obtain a copy fo their own souls good.

Your church buildings are merely social businesses with God's name appended. These businesses are registered to the government and so required to obey government authority, along with every other business entity out there.

They are only registered because the laws of the land requires it.. but the church belongs to God..
Its his church.. not your own

zionmde:

I will never under score the importance of gathering. Nothing can replace d gathering of d saints

but it's gross ignorance making d lockdown all about d government fighting d church. ur president is a staunch Muslim, and Muslims take going to mosque far more serious dan Christians take going to church. so for him to allow the lockdown of d mosques it must be serious
USA dat announced dat churches should reopen, how are they faring now? are they not contemplating another total lockdown?
wisdom is the principal thing

The are faring very well for your information.. if the models had been correct there would have been millions of deaths


Theres no sane reason why the church should be closed and markets open..at least think small...

HedwigesMaduro:


And the meeting together can only happen in a church building?

YES..

ThinkFreely:
Seems you just came here to argue.

A sane government knows that church buildings really do not have any benefit aside where people worship. The only way church buildings can be opened in a pandemic of a communicable disease is if they are made isolation Centers.

People cannot do without food and money but people can do without church buildings.

The biggest benefit you have just piinted out.. *where people worship GOD*

Thats the biggest benefit
Even the workd health organksation knows the importance of prayers

Read their Ogas recent statement..

zionmde:

oya na since u cant effectively evangelize without a large gathering in the church and the government told u not to preach the gospel and God will support that in the midst of this troublesome spread of virus that u should defy the government health regulations. Go and open up ur church

Its beyound evangelisation.. The church gathering affords people to hear the word, fellowship together in the name of Jesus


Jesus went to the synagogue..

OtemAtum:
Spirits don't die, we exist forever. I'm talking about physical death, okay. You are in a physical world, so focus more on your physicality. Church is not even offering any meaningful spiritual value, because even Jehovah the god of the church is currently in a spiritual cage.

Mtchew..
Please we are discussing a serious matter here..

HedwigesMaduro:


Church buildings have been closed. The church has never been closed.

Point is places of worship should open up so that the church can congregate to fellowship, to worship, to praise God..

Hebrews 10:25

Good News Translation
Let us not give up the habit of meeting together, as some are doing. Instead, let us encourage one another all the more, since you see that the Day of the Lord is coming nearer.


Its important that the church congregates together..

ThinkFreely:
Even primitive animals will damn all consequences for just “Food” and their means of livelihood.
It’s no brainer why nature made it that way.

I’m shocked these church people don’t get it.

We get it..

So let us damm the consequences and go to church jooor..

Please we are not complaining..

If i can die in the market, its thus far better to do so in church ...simple

kingxsamz:


Who will go to church if everyone dies from hunger?
I guess your intelligent self couldn't come up with that.

Think well again
This just further butresses My point exactly..

Why do we want them to die from the "killer virus" by allowing them to go to places where we said the infection rate is very high and the virus will kill them

If they can go to the market
They can go to church *end of story*

They are not complaining..

seyi360:
The government want to be seen as doing enough. Otherwise, they are not been reasonable. The FG opened up interstate travel where passengers sit in a bus for hours without adequate ventilation and the Lagos State government says churches can't meet in one hour once a week.
Though I can imagine the kind of pressure the Governor is facing. Been pulled back and forth by variant interest groups.

The government should stand up for what is right..

Thats how they said dont go out in America, stay inside and live.. but the riots on street are not following CDC guidelines and the same people are sayung protests are legal..

Whats going on?

Why did they not just chase everyone inside and say protest online..thats because the protests need people coming together to fight a cause that will benefit some people... now everyone os on the streets and funny enough.. the number of deaths have reduced..

The churches should be open..
Simple, if the markets can open the churches can open..

WakeNbaked:

Market has been open for more than 2 month, person don come complain to you Sai him catch corona.

How can you compare market and church when it comes to corona.

Church wuna go sit down for one place for more than 2 hours with the same set of people, who don ever sit down for one place with the same person for market reach 1 hour. Market you enter collect wetin you wan and bounce.

Should I continue to explain to your dumbass logically why opening of market is more important than bring your religion sentiment into it.

There is not enough love for everyone on earth, let alone giving it to an imaginary being.

Obviously you are not thinking...
Dint think from your belly
Think from your head

You went to school to be able to use your mind.. so use it..

Where is the fastest place to contact a transmissible infection... "A place crowded or A place with fewer persons"

OtemAtum:
Because market is useful while churches are useless. Many people will die if market does not open for one month, but everybody will live if churches remain closed for one year.

Death is not only physical.. it starts frim the spirit...

ThinkFreely:
Because markets create economic values while churches really do not create any value.

Please be analytic in your thinking... markets create economic values yes

What sustains it...
Please think well b4 talking


So whilst creating economic value the people should become infected... and then deaths increase how valuable is the economy with the number of deaths increasing.. who will do the buying and selling

If the markets can be open the church should be OPEN..

There are fewer persons in an organised church hall than in MILE 12 market...

If we follow the guidelines by the NCDC and the models given to us opening the markets should have led to a huge number of deaths..my point is this is not science ...

Let the church open up or shut down everywhere simple..


How can an office with 200 persons function and a church with 100 persons meeting for 4 hours or less not function


Please think well
You did not go to school for nothing

zionmde:
a lot of churches will start doing strange experiments with the virus. some will totally ignore existence while others may start drinking d pastors sweat as a protection for d virus

a lot of churches are very matured, but if u have to open churches then every church must be included. most pastors are even calling it a scam so they will have more time to indoctrinate their members

let churches remain closed for now, d Bible said wisdom is profitable for all. it will not last very long and we will go back to church

What wisdom exists in closing churches, where the word of God will be taught
The word of God is healing...

Proverbs 4:22
for they are life to those who find them and health to one's whole body...

Theres no science in this please.. now schools are opening gradually.. is someone not reasoning this out

Good talk, but may not be so smart
If the market place will lead to more people contacting the virus, then get the food to the houses or do we want the people that will purchase the food to all get sick...

Who then will buy the food moreso what happens when the seller falls sick

With all the hustle and bustle in the market place , and churches with more organized settings .. why then do we have matkets open.. w

Its very clear that the spirit of deception is working mightily in some persons, the covid 19 fiasco is so real.. the NCDC is nit gelping matters at all.. its as if some persons have an agenda and some persons are helping to ensure the agenda comes to Pass.. whats the science behind the virus spreading fast but yet the hustle and bustle in the market places is yet to lead to a spike or millions of deaths, but someone feels places of worship that are more organized will lead to serious issues,, i am now wondering where all the professors and consultant virologist in this country are

I have been following... The book of revelation is amazing.. what we are experiencing in the world today so understandable

WORLDPEACE:
The world is obsessed with ranking things. I must confess I am guilty of it too. All over the internet there are all kinds of rankings called top this and top that. You’ll see Top 20 most beautiful musicians, top 20 richest athletes, Top 1000 Universities by webometrics and so on. What I find perplexing, however, is that Nigerians hardly top any of these lists except that of the richest pastors. Our musicians are not there among the world’s richest. Neither are our Sportsmen and women, actors and Entrepreneurs. On the world's 20 richest pastors list we have at least five Nigerians.
I find this fact difficult to process. Why does a nation as poor as ours have the world's richest pastors? Does Nigeria have more Christians than other nations? The answer is NO, we don't. Below are countries with the highest Christian population from the most populous to the least populous.
1. USA 247.78 million
2.Brazil 178.70 million
3.Mexico 107.80 million
4. Russia 195.77 million
5.Philippines 90.53 million
6. Nigeria 80.28 million
7. Congo 68.56 million
8.China 67.10 million
9.Ethiopia 55.01 million
10. Italy 54.15 million

Five of the countries on this list have more Christians than Nigeria. And their citizens are averagely richer too. According to available statistics the average churchgoers in these countries make more money than their Nigerian counterparts, yet their pastors are still not as wealthy as ours. Perhaps God has a soft spot for Nigerian Christians? Well, if he does, why then is he not also showering his blessings on church goers? When God blessed Solomon materially did he not also extend it to the whole of Israel?

The explanation to this is quite simple. Perhaps it is lurking somewhere in your subconscious because you are afraid to think it out to yourself. Let me put it out there in black and white. OUR PASTORS ARE CORRUPT CRIMINALS! You probably suspected I was going to say this. And yes, I have. We are a corrupt society. We have corrupt politicians, corrupt judges, corrupt police force, corrupt army, corrupt university lecturers; and your precious General overseer, Pastor, Apostle or whatever appellation he prefers is not exempt. You find it easy to accept that the others mentioned are corrupt but not your pastor who is dominating the world's top 20 with his compatriots? You don't believe he is corrupt even when he shows up on Panama papers having discrete investments worth millions of dollars? Do you feel the same way about the politicians who were also in that leaked document? Just remember that both your pastors and politicians minister to the people, and while the politicians manage taxes the pastors manage tithe. While the people remain in abject poverty, these religious and political ministers own private jets. And both of these two groups have individuals who own investments in discrete tax havens. Only a mind imprisoned by the commitment to protect any of these groups would not draw the conclusion that they are criminals. With the help of God’s word and your money a private jet in the sky is just a stepping stone.

Why is your pastor scamming you? I will answer that like the Nigerian I am- they say we love to answer questions with questions. Why do police men take bribe? Why are your politicians stealing tax payer’s money? Why are there thousands of young Nigerians on the internet scamming people? The answer is BECAUSE THEY CAN. Why did people sell their fellow humans in the trans-Atlantic slave trade? Why did kings sell their subjects for a bottle of dry gin while the subjects still believed that their kings had a mandate from the gods? Why did our colonial masters colonize other countries and used their resources to develop theirs? It is because they could. The answer is that simple. Your pastors are good at what they do and it is rewarding.

People tend to make careers out of anything they are good at if they think there are no repercussions. Did you say there are repercussions from God? That exactly is the problem, the loophole exploited by “Men of God”. Church goers assume that their pastors actually believe all the things they preach from the pulpit. They underestimate the power that mastery of anything has on an individual. Whatever we do well and are rewarded and appreciated for we keep doing. We humans have a need for integrity, honesty and sound morals, but we also love to do what we are good at even if for some of us that means exploiting others.

For your greedy pastor, just like our slave trading pre-colonial rulers, it is even easier because they are respected for it. You made it easy for the heavenly man of God to take your earthly money because whenever that voice that tells you to scrutinize the way of life of this man comes into your mind you quickly stop yourself with your favorite scripture: "do not judge". Pastors have quoted it countless number of times and your christian brothers repeated it so much that you have it playing in a loop in your head. Do not be trapped by a technique that has been used for ages to stop people from thinking. He is misapplying the bible verse. If the same bible says "by their fruit ye shall know them" it means you can use the sense that God gave you to judge if your pastor is just a fraudster who is good with the scriptures. What you cannot do is judge who is going to perish because that right belongs to God exclusively. Do not let Charlatans enrich themselves at your own expense. Do not let anyone make you work for a heavenly reward while he is an earthly billionaire. What is he doing with all that money if heaven is the ultimate goal anyway?

If a Poor man starts an NGO funded by donations from people and he becomes a billionaire in a decade or two, won't you as a donor be interested in how he became a billionaire? Would you not want to know how the money you have been donating is being spent? Why then do you always handle religious leaders with kid gloves? Do you know that churches are like NGOs and a pastor can go to jail for embezzling church funds? Why are his European counterparts not living in the same opulence? It is not because they are holier but because their church members won't appreciate it. Why then are you such easy game?

Nigerian pastors are wealthy and there is nothing mysterious or divine about it. It has to do with the kind of brands they have created. They insist on the payment of tithe. "Pay your tithe or things will be tight for you". Poor attempt at a play on words, but you believe it. Many of you skip church when you have no offering money. Don't deny it, you do. Everyday prosperity, prosperity, prosperity. He shows off with your own money and instead of being put off, you part with more of your money. Afterall, if God has blessed the man of God for being faithful he will reward your faithfulness too. God did not bless him. You did.

We Nigerians are numb to corruption, so when we see it, we are not affected by it, especially when we see it in the man of God. The bible says that God is not partial and that God cannot lie. I believe it. So God does not love Nigerian pastors more. Statisticians say numbers don't lie. I also believe this. The kind of money our pastors have and the financial situation of church goers don't add up. God cannot love Nigerian pastors more than he loves other pastors in the world. Your pastor's success is all a result of your love for him, not God's.
So, continue to praise the Lord and pass the collection plate! Pastor needs a new pair of everything!

It's WORLDPEACE signing out.
Peace!

Being a Pastor is not taking a job at something you are good at.... it's a calling.. if you think it's a job go and try it.. you will soon give up

WORLDPEACE:

Those who are at the point were they are ready for freedom will be free. Thanks.

Sheeples. ... where did this word come from see. . Even Jesus did not refer to his saints as this...

People talk about issues they have no idea about.

Assumption is zero knowledge
How do u know a Pastor uses church funds to enrich himself aside from hear-say.. where are your facts. .

I know pastors who don't even *have* the comfort you think they have because every income that comes to them from their work is given out for one cause or the other.
They have become selfless to the core.
Get your facts right

NA wa oh some people can never see good in anything.
It is well
Glory to God
It's indeed a year of greatness for us.

Oh my God,this is amazingly inspiring,

Isaiah 60:3
Nations will come to your light,
kings to your sunburst brightness.

Such wonderful photos
Ride on pastor.

Happy birthday ma
You truly are a woman of virtue and a great source of inspiration
I love you ma.
Happy birthday

InesQor: I'm curious.

No childish fighting and immature abusing on this thread please.

If you say the Bible says so, give sensibly polite responses only, with scriptural backing either implicitly or explicitly. If you think otherwise, kindly also state your reasons politely.

Already sounding funny, describing a pastor as misbehaving is very wrong

Pastor Kun:

30 ke? You must be really delusional. I can assure you that thru my ministry thousands of believers have been delivered from the yoke and false teaching of tithes over the last seven years. It's just a matter of time but this false tithe doctrine would be effectively weeded out of the church as more and more people come to the knowledge of truth.

Evil spirits are real they can be in a person and you would not know, you can't see them with a microscope

mabell:

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A lot of people do not understand the functionality of the office of a prophet
@ op
Can you throw more light.?

How do we know one who is functioning in the office of a prophet and not just exercising the gift of prophecy?

newmi: At what point can a believe or a chriistian be termed rebellous?
Because almosst immediately, the statement of the prophet samuel comes to mind ". . . For rebellion is the sin of witch-craft"

A Christian who is not subject to authority can be termed rebellious

Na wá oh
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