Truvel:
Don't Just Conclude Dat U Av Been Decieved By Winners Chapel. Again, Let Me Be Blunt & Frank With U, If Truly U Av Been Called By God & U Refuse 2 Obey D Call, Either By Ignorance Or 4 Whatever Reasons, U Would Suffer. Dat's D Truth. 4 4da Advice & Help, Ask Me In A Topic I Av Created Dat Has 2 Do With Spiritual Gifts, Ministry Or Call 4rm God.

Are you saying God is the one punishing me when I didn't do him any wrong? That he is the one that sent lying and deceitful spirit into the pastor and church leaders deceive me when I went to them for spiritual development? Was the purpose for him to send me away from the midst of wolves or to bring me closer to him? Does he take delight in punishing those who accepted Jesus as their Lord and saviour over something they knew nothing about?

mentored:





Mtchew

You can come here and spew rubbish because its Christianity.

Go to muslim thread and do same


This is my discovery on nairaland

You can not make any comment on the muslim section until you declare this


Pics ------


Go to this thread and try


https://www.nairaland.com/6011692/sultan-declares-friday-sallah-day

What business do you think I have with Muslims, or you don't you understand what I wrote?

You have failed already by not knowing the right things to say.

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Bodydialect57:
Thank God you are not Lazarus and l don't think your case is as terrible as his was.

My only advice for you here is that you seek the face of God for his help, and stop looking unto man for help. Man is limited, but God is not.

Oftentimes, when our eyes are fixated on getting a window opened for us, we may be denying ourselves of God's wide open door of blessings cos we aren't looking in that direction.


Take time to read the scriptures quoted below,
they will be of help to you.

Peace.


Psalm 108:12
Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.


Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

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Bro I never said I was trusting any man. The topic is clear and it is about how Winners Chapel pastor lied and deceived me which resulted to my heart issue.

Your advice should be on telling winners pastors and members to stop lying and deceiving people who came to church to seek to know God.

"Thank God you are not Lazarus" sounds like what Jesus taught there is just useless to every other person except for a certain Lazarus and that particular rich man. Thank God I am not a Sameritan, so everything Jesus said about the good Samaritan has nothing to do with me. Thank God I don't rear animals, so everything Jesus said about the good shepherd has nothing to do with me. Thank God Jesus' brothers died long ago, so the least of his brothers are dead and buried long time ago, i have not seen them, etc.

James 2:15-17
New International Version
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

The rich man must have read something similar to this and said, thank God Lazarus is not my brother. He should go and focus more on God and stop looking unto man for help. He is not prayerful that is why he is still like that. He must be doing something wrong that is why God is not reasoning him.

You have not answered my question about Lazarus. thank God you are not the answer.

Another one.

Why didn't God come down from heaven to help Lazarus since he knew Lazarus had a need but chose to punish the rich man?

We are pastors and church members that go to church every day but does not know what it means to be Christ-like. Christianity is not equal to prayer. Muslims and other people pray.

How many times has God come down from heaven to help you and those that you know?

Bodydialect57:
I don't think you need to speak I'll of any person at all even if they deny you of your needed help. If you have sincerely directed all the energies exerted on making your life better, focussing on God, you would have been here to give testimony and not complaining of being neglected after several appeal.

Did you join them purposely to have your needs met?

Was God not there when Lazarus was suffering and died? Was he not praying to God for him to be taken to be with the Lord? When you answer correctly I will know if my prayers are waste of time or if there are things he expects of humans to for the least of his brothers.

I developed the issue after joining them and after doing WOFBI. if the pastor had told me there won't be any welfare when I told him I had little to sustain me through WOFBI, I won't bother joining in the first place or come here to say anything.

This just like telling someone to come from come from Port Harcourt to Sokoto that you will give him transport fare. And when the person got to Sokoto, you made him believe you will do as you said. But when he exhausted the little he has left, you left him stranded. This is an illustration of what caused everything.

Kobojunkie:
But that is exactly what many of your so-called Pastors/ preachers/ prophets/ GOs/ Bishops/ Deacons/ Priests really are. The false prophets Jesus Christ warned against.
If you read the book of Matthew, you will see that in almost every chapter where the words of Jesus Christ are found are warnings against people falling for the deception that is there fellow man. He talked of the devil but 90% of the warnings uttered by Jesus Christ were against falling for the lies and deception of men who claim to come in the name of God.

Jesus Christ never said you had to attend church to fellowship with Him or the Spirit of God, nor did he say you needed to mingle with other believers in order to do His will. If Jesus Christ is who you want, you find Him by following His truth in your own life. You have heard of Him. Obey His commandments to you which you can find in the Gospels.

Thanks a lot bro. I went back after this posting this topic to see if I can make things right but another round of dribbling started. From May 2018 to late 2019, we were planning to write a letter of application that was never written. The coordinator in charge rejected the one I wrote and said she would write a more presentable one by herself. She started come today come tomorrow and I was patiently coming today and going tomorrow to avoid being blamed for not coming. Until ending of 2019 it dawned on me that I was in the midst of wicked and heartless beings that go to church. Their Pastors inclusive.

A pastor that will ignore you the more if you ask him "would he ignore you if you are Lazarus seeking his help" is more heartless than the rich man. He even blocked me when I told that I don't know why they did what they did to me.

I now understand better and those supporting them here who knew nothing about what happened are just willing tools in the hands of the devil.

A great man.

Less informed people who celebrate mediocrity and party will not know.

I have seen the deceptive under one year roads which Rochas constructed that have red mud potholes here and there, which Ihedioha has marked for reconstruction. For the first time seeing road constructed with stones filling of more than one foot thickness. That is quality and the contractors were very serious. Those that travelled from Aba to Owerri last December will attest to what I have written.

And for the one that wants to build airport in Abia state, smh for him. Abia people will continue to remain in bondage until Efcc deals with all those that have governed Abia state or another party takes over.

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tomtween1:
The Op @enthronedbyGrace spoke about Jesus multiplying in a page I can't really remember now.

I had a similar dream last year that I'll like to share too. It was so real that I wrote it down in my diary.

In this dream, I was praying for someone and Jesus appeared and was looking at me in a loving way. Then all of a sudden He (Jesus) began to multiply and fill the church. He was on my left, on my right, sitting almost on every pew in the church, he was standing at the back, in fact, he was literally everywhere and I was im awe.
I woke up amazed and confused so I wrote it down.

Note: I am not a preacher, neither am I a pastor or an outspoken person, I don't even consider my self as being spiritual, hence the confusion.


Let me share 2 more dreams I had a little boy of around 7 years old.

I slept and saw a mine in white shiny robe which I knew was Jesus. I couldn't see his face because it was so bright and so much light radiates from his face and that made it impossible for me see his face.
He took me to a place where an Empty throne was. There was no one on the throne but I heard a voice from it which I knew was father God. I can't remember everything he said to me now because I was too little to even think of writing them down. The only thing I remember Him saying to me was that, "I'll be with you always "...
Because of this dream, my parents casually told me that I'll join the alter boys but I never did.

Truly, God has been faithful despite my unfaithfullnes. I mostly tell people that bad things don't happen to me because of this dream.



Again, around that same age (7 or , I went to church in a dream and as a catholic, we mostly bow our head before entering the church the church.

so before entering the church, I bowed down my head and when I raised my head up, I saw the stature of Jesus bowing down to me too.
What amazed me was that the stature which was made of concrete became flexible enough to bow down to me.

After that dream I realised that impossibility before God is just a word; there's no impossibility in Him.

It is impossible for God to bow to or worship man. Demon's can happily possess anything that have mouth but cannot speak so as to be worshipped. God dwells in the man he created not in the cement and sand formed by man who are trying to make money out of sculpture business. God is a spirit and they that worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.

Ask God guidance and study his word. Things about and against this kind of thing is written there.

LilMissFavvy:
Sorry to interrupt you, I know your message isn't for me, but I was the one worried about the dragon issue. Psalms 91:11....... thou shall tread upon the lion and adder, the young lion and DRAGON shall thou trample under thy feet. It's like the dragon whenever mentioned in the Bible denotes evil. It is mentioned as something to trample on. It is mentioned along with adder which is a serpent. As for lion being mentioned among them, I believe it is symbolic that lion can both represent a strong friend or enemy, I say so because Jesus is atimes referred to as the ''Lion of the tribe of Judah'', (I could be wrong anyway). I know some church denominations do not recognize the book of Psalms, I myself used to avoid the Psalms and Songs of Solomon, till God began speaking using book of Psalms. thanks.

If you don't mind you can share a bit of your experience with the dragon, only if you wish, I would appreciate.

Satan did not create anything and owns nothing. Whatever God created belongs to him. If lion is of the devil, whether literal or symbolic, it will not in any way be associated with Christ.

If Satan or mamywater appears like a fish, will you stop eating fish and call it unholy or demonic? What if he appears like someone you know or like angel of light, will you condemn that person and the holy angels?

Mind you, Satan can choose to appear like anything and you will start staying away from even chicken.

Incompetence of the highest order - What you don't know you cannot handle.

Real boko haramhas been defeated.
Fake boko haram are the ones killing people and you can't protect the innocent lives lost daily.

Real Leah Shaibu has been saved.
Fake Leah Shaibu has been killed and you allowed it happen.

Real herdsmen move herdsmen move about with cattles
Fake herdsmen have killed more than 2,000 people in the last four years and you didn't make any single arrest.

Real electricity is in every household in Nigeria.
Fake households are claiming they don't have.

Real 500,000 jobs has been created in the last four years.
Fake 20 million jobs has been lost in the last four years.

Please add yours. What we are seeing in the hands of this incompetent government is too much.

This is what is likely to come: for daring to reject Ruga settlement, many will be massacred, houses burned, people driven from their home, but nobody will come to their rescue. This is the price they will pay.

They will use this to show Nigerians why they must accept Ruga.
I laugh at people who are rejoicing and praising the government for suspending Ruga. This is not the end. Mark my words and be vigilant.

Those dancing owambe over June 12 naming ceremony and were oblivious of the evil already taking place at their backyard will be the ones to be overrun even as they continue to sing praises of that man. They don't know those they are dealing with.

Ebonyigoodnews:
Sense no go kill you bro.
But hope say they will not extend the territories

Hahaha. It will be met with stiff resistance. They should just colonize those that welcomed them.

Abeymills:
Fulanis n thier cows are 1st class citizens they can kills rape kidnapp steal loot grab ur land just because of thier cows after destroying ur farm lands they rape ur wives kill d children yet they are foreigners coming into Nigeria territory to kill only blood suckers evil people still support buhari ipob are terrorists but Fulani herdsmen are good people deserve radio frequency station as if its government business I pay tax vat for my children cars etc

Please let us not cry more than the bereaved. We should encourage them to have there Rugs settlement. When they are converted to Fulaniyo, we should encourage them the more. You don't want to be seen as an enemy on something that does not concern you.

It is very unfortunate that those who claim to be sophisticated are only sophisticated on the moronic side. I didn't mention anyone's name.

SayDeeJay:


Don't worry about that just PM me here. I will get back to you.

Note: There is no deadline and will ever be FREE; my own little contribution to this great community.

Hello DJ

I sent you a pm

currentprice:


so far it stay below red levels trade is safe. If you follow the call u can move ur SL down to reduce your risk. am leaving mine since I know when to run

Hello currentprice.

Bro please check your mail, I sent you a message.

Maximus69:
Are you now taken over the responsibility of his parents by teaching him what his JW Papa and Mama supposed to teach him?

What I know today about the scripture I didn't learn from my parents.

Maximus69:
NO! NO!! NO!!!
The members of our GB are old enough to be his Papa, so if he could raise his stupid tongue against such people he should be ready to defend his own Papa and Mama for being followers of these same GB he is trying to castigate!
That's why i'll continue to mention his Papa and Mama because it's persons like them who taught me as in brought the teachings of this GB to me so that i could become one of Jehovah's Witnesses today. So he shouldn't live in a glasshouse and be the first to cast stones on other people's house!

He is acting more like Jehovah's witnesses than you. The GB members you are supporting in the manner you are doing will never support your actions and uterrance.

rottennaija:


I'll take time to go through you write, and then respond. I'm a little busy now

Ok

Maximus69:
What did your Papa and Mama told you about TRINITY? 2Timothy 3:15
Well they're part of those who taught me what i know now,so you're a lucky man having them as parents!

Let his parents be

rottennaija:


I did not have such issues. So there was nothing to clear

There is, just that you are not aware of it or maybe you have no knowledge of it. Let's start this way...

Everything you said about the great crowd appearing in heaven is true but what happened after that time. The heaven where you saw the great crowd passed away . Copied my previous post.

Boomark:
For those who have been taught that they all will go to heaven, read this carefully. If it must come to pass then you have to go and check what you believe in.

Revelation 21:1-3
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people (men/mankind), and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Revelation 21:23-26
23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.

This will take place at the last day. Did the Holy city go up into heaven or did it come down out of heaven from God? Who are these people(men/mankind in some translation)? Who are the kings of the earth and where do they reside, in heaven or on earth?

At this point, the kingdom must have come and the will of God will be done on earth as it is in heaven, Mat 6:10. And the meek shall inherit the earth, Mat 5:5.

Please am not a Jehovah's Witness. I believe some of the truth they share which some found difficult to believe cos it is not what their church fathers and Pastors teach them.

These are the things that happened las las.


https://www.nairaland.com/2058270/doctrines-jehovah-witnesses-vs-holy#29169705

rottennaija:


Like one exjw said, 'I knew many scriptures, but I never knew the context', is a summary of the jw problems. So many scriptures read and explained to fit into their doctrine.

A day a jw starts understanding the context, it becomes easy to see through the misapplied scriptures.

Hello bro,

Have they cleared your misunderstanding of the great crowd in heaven?

donphiilopus:


A 30 year-old-woman, Chinyere Onuara, has been nabbed for pretending to be blind and receiving alms from unsuspecting members of the public.

Speaking with newsmen at the Ondo State Correctional Home in Akure where she was held in custody, Chinyere claimed to have left Ebonyi for Akure few weeks ago to assist a blind friend to collect arms but the deal did not sail through on getting to the Ondo state capital.

https://www.google.com/amp/dailypost.ng/2018/02/11/fake-blind-beggar-arrested-ondo/amp/

I hate ethnic bigotry but your chest beating is getting much. Is that fake beggar also a Fulani or Hausa woman?

So with your chest beating outburst you think you made sense? Abi you don't know the difference between a real begger and a fraudster? Stick with the context of the discussion.

geadom:
Imaging what election postponement has caused this poor widow who used #5000 to prepare kunu for those that would be coming to vote. Shae has lamented to have used most of her savings.

That is half of your tradermoni gone in one day. Tomorrow you come and be shouting for APC.

I urge everyone to go out tomorrow and vote out APC. They have done more harm than good.

Vote out all these things associated with their government which includes: incompetence, dementia, lies, nepotism, divisiveness, cabalism, mass murder of innocent women and children, hunger, poverty, land grabbing by herdsmen, zombiesm, corruption, high cost of living, pant stealing for ritual, 20 million job loss, underemployment, killing of SMEs, lack of jobs, waste of money on food, hoarding and seizing of IDP materials, indifference to the needs of the masses, etc.

Atikulate wisely and vote Atikuobi. Vote PDP.

teufelein:


Just do justice to your conscience, be honourable enough to affirm the truth. You don't become a thief simply because everybody is a thief and going unpunished. Is the truth not obvious enough?

Of course you don't, so which truth are you talking about?

No body will recognise those that did not vote as it stands now. Now that boycott can not be achieved, what other strategy do you have to curb the hunger and hardship in the land? Non, no strategy at all.

I told a man to get his pvc first incase of tomorrow but he refused. Now they have been told to vote out Abia governor I wonder if he will do that with his mouth.

The additional state might be the first to witness another python dance at next level so tell him we don't want.

By the way there won't be any next level of hardship and hunger.

How

Many people don't know the implications of 20 million people losing their jobs in Nigeria today without any hope of getting another job. Those who could not bear the hunger in the land will join any available crime to make ends meet. Crime rate will triple and continue to rise if we continue like this to the next level of this present administration.

Increasing job loss, underemployment, and hunger is the reason why people engage in the act of stealing pants for money ritual. Remember that the people losing their jobs are graduates and are likely to be very intelligent. I don't know the technology they are going to use by then but trust me, your pant will disappear and you won't know how it happened. From what we have seen so far, the projected number of people that will lose their jobs at the next level will hit 40 million Nigerians. With a population of over 100 million females, one pant snatcher will be targeting five female pants.

God forbid, but what if they turn to our innocent children. Imagine your daughter who went to fetch water or to buy something come back crying that someone snatched her pant from under her. Imagine a situation where over 90% of our girls are rendered useless by these people. They have already started forcing people to wear pant before they take it back. With the population of people losing their jobs, these people will be everywhere around you monitoring your pant and that of your children.

I supported APC in 2014/2015 but not anymore. They tell us they are fighting corruption but can't create jobs. Those who lost their jobs and the hungry ones are now corrupting and rendering our girls useless. Which is better, saving their money or saving our girls? We all have wives, girlfriends, sisters, daughters, and nieces, so no one should say it does not concern him or her.

This government refused to empower youths who participated and were successful in the YouWiNconnect program. Most of them that did Yes-p were also frustrated and forced out by BOI. These are youth entrepreneurs who could have set up SMEs, employ Nigerians, and help people around them. I am speaking from experience because I was selected as a winner in those two programs. They prefer to give N10,000 to petty traders who would sing their praises. After three and half years of hardship and frustration, N10,000 will seems like they have been given the whole world. Let us not support something that will consume us and our children tomorrow because of N10,000, an amount that cannot help anyone become somebody in life not to talk of that one helping his family.

Therefore, I urge Moghalu, Sowore, and other presidential candidates to form a coalition with his excellency Alhaji Atiku Abubakar for the sake of our future. Leah Shaibu is still a slave in boko haram's custody. Things will fall apart if nothing urgent is done. Don't vote any governor that is owing workers salary whether PDP or APC because they are part of the problem we are facing today. Vote wisely.