absoluteSuccess:


Are these your best?

Point of correction: Isese is not "very harsh", harsh people are in every human society, the purpose of Yoruba traditional practice is "kilu le tuba, kotu se", how do you do harsh to have a peaceful society (kilu tuba) that is the projection of Yoruba tradition? But wicked cultists will always promote their trade under the guise of "Isese". Yoruba religion is "esin abalaye", not "isese".

Talo te o nifa? Igba wo lo wo 'gbodu? There's no igba in ifa, its opon, ifa and apo ifa, and then akapo. Tou will find igba with Osun sengese,awede koto wemo. Ma gbo'mo Oba f'Osun pelu Yoruba egbe legbe ede Oyinbo professor.

You can't speak Yoruba and an "unknown Yoruba dialect" in the same sentence made up of simple clause: nibo lo gba ikin e. Is that a "Yoruba-broken" or something? Rather if you will close with Yoruba proper, it should be "nibo lo ti..."

Mind you, I wont respond to your bitter quote, I can't go through your "ojo n ro" kind of argument afresh. Hope to hear from your agents.

Why would you think I would read all this madness?

NaijaPrince18:

We are not west African now? 😂😂😂😂. Just stop posting please. It’s embarrassing. Please tell me what the root of awori is? Is it not ife? Which is Osun state not Israel.
I’m not the one obsessing over Jews. You clearly feel inferior to them. Jews are middle easterners not Africans or Europeans

You are talking with a mad man
An actual mad man that bites people on the streets

What a pity to a wasted life

Stoplying:

Answer: Oba Akiolu.

🤣🤣🤣 you mean this Yoruba monarch?
I know Bini carry Yoruba names a lot but ahan.. You see someone's name "Akiolu" you say na Bini man

https://fb.watch/oFE_GjCXA5/?mibextid=ZbWKwL

Answer, precolonial map of Africa published in 1747 by Emanuel Bowen below.
Also precolonial map of west Africa published in the 27th century showing clearly Lagos as being a part of Benin below
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2

I said what area in Lagos is Binu territory. This is not an answer to that
Just mention the ibinu territory in Lagos State.. Let me clear you
Simple

Shattuck:
neither the aworis nor the binis can lay claim to the entire Lagos, the aworis had their territory in Lagos the binis also had their territory, Lagos is a state just like osun, just like you have the Ooni of ife who governs the ife territory of osun state, there are also other traditional rulers in the same osun, you can't come today and claim the ancestors of the Ooni founded osun state they only founded ife, same can be said about Lagos and how you guys always try to make it look like the aworis controlled the entire Lagos, the binis also had their territory, which means the oba isn't wrong.

The Binis have their territory? Which territory? Bini don't have territory in ondo state it's far away Lagos state they have territory?
Which lagosian is a Bini man? Go ahead name just one

The madness of this guy is just getting worser

This thing is just annoying and funny at the same time.

I have known you are a mad man since you started opening threads to speak on yoruba language and history that you do poorly in.

I always knew only a mad Yoruba person would think yorubas are Hebrew. Unfortunately your madness has graduated, you didn't listen to my advice then to seek help, you won't listen now. Anyway enjoy your life with your predicament but get my moniker out of your stupidd posts
I will enter nairaland see many mentions thinking interesting conversations may arise only to see it's asinwin that posted. Abeg abeg you don't have people who care for you at home? They can't take your phone away and put you on medications or what?

absoluteSuccess:
https://www.nairaland.com/4475313/yoruba-hebrew-heritage/95#down

Self acclaimed "Yoruba is my only identity"

Look at the blunder on the slightest Yoruba pronunciation. And you claim to be Yoruba?

Can someone tell this god forsaken and rejected mad man to stop mentioning me

Go get a life abeg

absoluteSuccess:


I have asked you to clarify how you got my details, shame on you, Widowmaker, Timothy Ogundele, Ayo Aremu, etc, which is your name?

I'm sick but you boast of having all my details, are you my doctor also? You are one of the most horrible people I came across online.

A very brilliant liar from whom nothing charitable ever proceed to another, signs of the evil that's trending on mohbads death.

Stop using that stupid repetitions of yours and own up to your evil. For solid 12 years you are following me about, who is sick here?

You are simply just not alright in the head, you come on nairaland broadcasting yourself and all your failed businesses and you are asking how I got your details.
You've been mentioning me in your posts, most of which I just ignore without reading for over a year now, as I know it's always nonsense and you're saying I'm following you about.
God forbid

Now you have started using this mohbad issue to intensify your false accusations

You better stay off your phone and the Internet and learn how to enjoy fresh air and take walks, cus you're not okay

sacajawea:

Why? What did you do to him or what happened??
That it got so bad...

he is sick

BscHolder:

ProphetUdeme

I hope you have learnt to appreciate African spirituality since then

Olasyke:
someone should summarize this epistle abeg

Guy opened several threads since 2013 claiming Yoruba are Hebrew, I debunked them, he ran out of things to say and his brain knocked. The small madness that led him to the hebew nonsense became full blown for over a year now.. That's what you're seeing on display

BscHolder:
wetin you do macof?
Na my guy for religion section that year ooo

he dey claim Yoruba be descendants of Abraham, I tackle the nonsense him brain knock. Now his madness has gone full blown

Btw what is your handle that time, must have been a long time ago cus I no dey check religion section again

absoluteSuccess:
I got to know I was dealing with an enemy when a guy called macof on this site declared he has all the information about me and can easily locate me.

When someone who hates you with passion says he can easily locate you, just put your house in order. You are already dealing with a psychopath whose capacity for evil is not yet known to you. And that's to be forewarned.

Very awkward moment of self searching and reappraisal of my contacts began. And not quite long, a customer on Jeep visited my shop, and made a pass at my wife, I know I'm at the very verge of death and it just seems all my fears were well founded.

Thank God my wife shared that sensitive information with me, it's the curiosity I felt with that experience that really awake me to the risk of my business being infiltrated by enemies acting as customers and friends.

I've threads about the experience. The fellow is hardened and persistent. Be careful who you engage with as friend and be very careful who you engage with as an enemy. Either can set you up and it might be too late to escape.

https://www.nairaland.com/7680472/wicked-continue-fall

Just a disclaimer for everyone : this guy is suffering from a mental health issue
If you like go mumu yourself dey believe madman

Go and seek help, enter a psychiatric home

imagrg:
Don't even know what you are talking about

He's a mad man.

samuk:


His data collection is limited. Written aspect of Benin history is more than 600 years... 1440s to date. His so called data collection is limited to the 1900s to date, what happened to previous 500 years of Benin history. Even his limited data collection is selective, he refused to fully disclosed the traditions he collected from the Oba palace. The Oba palace narrative says that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, I don't think this is what he is saying here.

Benin history didn't start in 1939, Benin history is not 100 years old, anybody trying to limit Benin history to the 1930s is doing a great disservice to the Benin people, we will not allow people with ulterior motives to undermine our illustrious history.

We don't want some mischievous people 50 years from now quoting 2023 as the beginning of Benin history.

Any of the descendants of the various tribes currently living in Benin can write whatever they like today and someone will be quoting it in 50 years time as if Benin history started in 2023 and future macof will be clapping for them as being intelligent.

The simple reason TAO11 left Benin history alone is because I challenged her to provide evidence of Benin/Ife connection earlier than 1824 and she couldn't. TAO11 was at her best when we allowed her to quote from the historical fairytales years of 1897 to date, but she fizzled out when the debate was expanded beyond the fairytales years and pushed back to just before the last independent Oba of Benin was deposed in 1897.

Today, TAO11 read debates about Benin history quietly.

Even the written accounts from the 15th century up till the early 20th century, you don't accept when it doesn't meet your desires
Tao has provided you sufficient evidence, you simply don't accept it. It's not like you can be forced to call a spade a spade. Do you, you're only making yourself out to be a clown.

Same way you are accusing those Benin families of making things up now, is the same way the oba Palace has started making up Oduduwa is a Bini Prince.
Older accounts do not show any connection of oduduwa or the oba's lineage to the soil of Bini, rather the accounts always point outside Benin
Who has eyes and ears can see and hear and will know that the Ọba lineage is foreign

gregyboy:


He/she ran out of lies or probably accepted the truth

lmao. her posts are still here you have not been able to rebute

samuk:




Ugbe634:

You can't have it both ways, you are supporting your Benin/Yoruba connection by relying on Benin palace sources. Same palace sources in the person of the Oba (Erediawa) himself claimed that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa and you are saying you disagree because it's proven that he died in Ughoton.

You cannot eat your cake and have, you cannot select what suits you. If your most trusted sources of Benin/Yoruba connection is the palace, then you have to believe everything they say because you are not in a position to prove or contradict the palace on the personage of Ekaladerhan.

You approach history from a dogmatic perspective, you should be able to support your position with prove, you dont come across like someone that's interested in prove but what sounds okay by you.

I asked in my previous posts

1. Why no Oba of Benin had a yoruba name?

2. Why didn't Benin princes and Princesses bear yoruba names before 1897

3. Why didn't Ajayi Crowder write about Benin/yoruba connection Ajayi Crowder life saw the reigns of atleast three Obas of Benin.

4. Why didn't the Europeans write about Benin/Yoruba connection for 400 years before 1897.

5. Why can't anyone supply evidence to support Benin/yoruba connection before 1897.

Guy, you must expand your thought process, you seem like a nice guy. You shouldn't come along as someone that's here to undermine the efforts of Benin people who are genuinely researching their history.

I have said it repeatedly that I will change my position if anyone is able to convince me that Benin had anything to do with Ife before the 1800s, I don't think it should be too difficult.

When we ask questions, we expect answers but our yoruba neighbours just go quietly, only to resurrect their dogmatic position next time, you seems to be doing the same, probably this is why almost all Benin in the forum doubt you are a Benin person.

Benin people ask questions and not scared of convincing answers.

You cannot keep on saying the oba of Benin is yoruba without showing any oba, prince or princess in Benin history pre-1897 with a yoruba name.

Those that believe you have an anti Benin and anti Oba of Benin agenda are upset because you are holding on to a position you cannot provide prove. You cannot disagree with the Oba on Ekaladerhan and then go on to claim he is yoruba because of Benin/Ife connection which was feed to you by the same palace sources which the Oba heads.

I'm sure the man is intelligent enough to understand the concept of data collection from vast sources.
Ogiamien, Oba Palace, Usen, Ife, older Benin accounts as recorded by Europeans etc

That is after all how history is done properly

scholes0:


The Original Ojomo/Ezomo were not hereditary... they were simply valiant citizens who proved themselves in war/battle/chivalry

By some accounts, Oranmiyan conferred his own Ojomo from Usen. Ezomos became hereditary after Oba Akinjuwa (Akenzua), which is most likely the Esan pedigree of Ezomo started and became fixed.

Also I forget but isn't there an ijebu connection to the Ezomo title?

duro4chang:
We learn everyday.

Lmao. You didn't see a better person to learn from.

Alusiizizi:


The mechanics are a much stronger indication of genetic heritage than a few loan words. Igbo and Ibibio share much more in common mechanically than other languages. The frequent use of conjoined consonants, words and mechanics. Apparent similarities between Igbo and Yoruboid languages are not only likely to be of Edoid influence but the influence is limited in the dialectical(Onitsha) level that trace a lineage to Benin. The rest of Igbo land do not speak Onitsha and our dialects are quite distinct.

Most people don't realize that "Igbo language" is actually an umbrella classification of hundreds of mostly mutually unintelligible dialects. The Onitsha dialect family(and the dialect that most non-Igbo people most recognized) is unique to the Onitsha area and not spoken anywhere else in Igbo land. Indeed Onitsha people usually consider themselves to be Benin people first.

Another false submission. There is in fact more noticeable similarities between the Southern igbo dialects such as Ekpeye, Ogba than Onitcha with Yoruba dialects

What do you mean by conjoined consonants? I hope you are aren't referring to alphabets like Gh, Gw, Gb Bh, Kh
Because these are single consonant sounds of their own only represented in written form by two consonants

I'm sure the igbo historians on this thread would vehemently disagree with you that onitcha usually consider themselves Bini

AutomaticMotors:

Everything you typed up there is facts boss, me personally I remember that issue of the two kings, it's in a town in Ondo I believe, if I am not mistaken it is close to okitipupa if not even the town itself ! The Benin descendant is the real heir of the Throne but the usurper went to ooni of ife to concort an ife migration fairy tale and he is now claiming he is the rightfull king

All of you keep crying hot tears

I enjoy seeing Bini rants and how nobody takes you seriously, it must be frustrating

We would even soon increase it to 21 heads, specifically your type

Since you like asking rubbish questions

Osariemen12:



Don't mind them. They only claim us to get the number for their own political gains. We're wiser now. Jonathan's defeat in southwest and Obaseki's re-election bid exposed many things about their cunning nature. To be honest with you, everyone in Benin City today understands that it is better to have no political ally than to have them as one.

Before now, our votes have always aligned with them but I can't remember one project executed in Edo State by the Obasanjo administration despite our massive support. We've decided to stand alone or join forces with the old eastern region just like Delta State has done and has never regretted doing so.

We can trust the Igbo man better than them. Let them keep writing nonsense about Edo State because we rejected their evil party.

See garage boy.

We are talking about linguistics and anthropology of over 2000 years ago this one is talking about voting patterns of less than 20 years ago

Alusiizizi:


Wrong. A few similar words cannot prove genetic connection, for example, many English words are Romantic in origin but the mechanics of the English language shows a Germanic heritage. Igbo language, mechanically is far more related to Ibibio than any other language in Nigeria, mechanically. What's more, by physical appearance they share more similarities than any other peoples in Nigeria. The seemingly shared words between Igbo/Yoruba is very likely borrowed from Edo(Benin Kingdom), which the Igbo have a long history of interaction with.

There isn't a single linguist who holds this submission.

Instead just as English is a Germanic language with romance influences.. Igbo is said to be a Volta-Niger language with Lower Cross influences

So Igbo borrowed their words for body parts, words for common animals, pronouns (all top indicators of shared linguistic heritage) from Edo?

Tomorrow now in another discussion, the same you will argue against Igbos borrowing anything

Trapnews:

We are peaceful people, we have nothing in common with those terrorists calling our beloved country a Zoo but now want Presidency all of a sudden. We are more aligned to the North. Yeebos are enemies of Nigeria and we and Northerners are the patriots.

very ignorant.
Yoruba doesn't begin and end in Nigeria.
Yorùbáland extends up till Togo. Are Yoruba of Atapame or Sabe also patriots of Nigeria?

We are talking about history and anthropology, you are bringing nonsense about Nigerian politics

Kobojunkie:
You are free to worship your yoruba god, but you have no right to impose him on the man whose ancestry is not same as yours.

Taje your own advice.
Christianity and Islam should be chased to where they came from.

funshint:

He lacks the moral standing to start advocating for Christian. He's well known to be anti-christian. That's not his space!

the man is simply anti-yoruba

He is paid to brew religious crisis in yorubaland

elated177:



Frustration always leads to meaningless name-calling.

you are the frustrated one. You came to my old post of years ago after it gave you sleepless nights. I dropped more bangers and it burst your head
You haven't seen anything. I'll soon get back to dropping more knowledge on ancient Hebrews and canaanite spirituality, then you'll really be shaking

elated177:



I laugh in Mbaise. What topic? This particular one that I have nailed or another one. Who are you calling little man? You want to resort to insult? Go and look for your level.

. As I said, little man, just run along

elated177:


Confusion galore. Sorry o.

run along little man, this topic pass your intellect and knowledge