lfleak:
copied straightaway from http://www.techrepublic.com/article/is-sql-a-legitimate-programming-language/ weldone.. just remove it from the list...its nt in any way a PLang

SQL is a programming language as well as a query language. Do some reading about database stored procedures & stored functions, there you'd see the programming aspects of SQL

tpiah01:
Why not change the spellings to sound Portuguese.

Really?? Wow! You see your inferiority complex?? Always willing to suppress your identity in order to be more accepted by your oppressors

^^^ @dammytosh
Nobody is saying PHP alone can take you to your career heights. I just have a problem with your attempt to knock down PHP on the premise that it's not very valuable in the Nigerian market. I still maintain this is due to ignorance in the market. People generally don't respect much a tool that is easy to learn, which is what PHP is to any newbie. No fancy nor complex installations & setups. Just install your LAMP or WAMP, type simple instructions in notepad++ and point your browser to the domain, and that's it. Easy!! But in terms of functionality, libraries, documentation & support, usability & flexibility, PHP does it's job as perfectly as any other tool out there.

I understand your rating based on commercial value IN NIGERIA, but that's not a technical assessment. It does not demonstrate that PHP has any functional, performance nor securiity drawbacks when compared to other tools.

dammytosh:


Plenty things is wrong with it.

If you are a newbie in programming and you want to code for the market, learn .Net Framework / Java

Not so. There's nothing wrong with PHP except for the ignorant perception by the Nigerian market which is still an infant industry. PHP does the job as well as any other server side programming language. And PHP is getting more powerful and much faster by the day.

dammytosh:


If i may advise you. QUIT PHP.

Pick Java or Dot Net. Thank me much later.

What are you talking about? What's wrong with PHP?

Suigeneris93:
So? How will this epistle help me? I think ur pain op is that the black girls who are the runt of the pack to u, turned u down and not that they were being rude. You wanted to help their ministry? Like seriously? If you had taken them home you'll still be the one to open a thread calling black girls oloshos...smtchew! Pot calling the kettle black


#all the pun intended

Wow!! Beautifully put. These inferiority complex laden guys will go out to hustle a relationship with Oyibo so they can feel good about themsleves or for papers, but they turn and attack a fellow sista for hustling as well. And the idiot would never have come here to tell us that a White girl insulted him, but he feels it's the right & moral thing to do to report a black sista who has insulted him. INFERIORITY COMPLEX in capital letters

Maximillian1:
The english name is bean cake..most people mistake bean cake for akara..akara is bean ball while moi moi is the real bean cake

Wrong & Right. Going by the descriptions of how beans is prepared, the best approximations for the names of the dishes are as follows:

Moi moi = Bean pudding
Akara = bean balls or fried bean-balls, or bean-fries

It's common for Nigerians to describe Akara as "bean cake" but this is totally wrong. For anything to qualify as cake, it must be BAKED. Akara is fried, not baked. Moi moi is cooked, not baked.

BellaBambina:
@Amefrica In all of this, you are the defaulter(s). Don't greet everybody you meet on your way or at the bus stop as the case may be. Your anger was unjustifiable, they had every right to run away from you. Not everybody is friendly or likes chit-chats with strangers. Next time, don't greet until you are greeted. Salutation is not love. And in my opinion, salutation is not by force. Wisdom profits much

Well spoken my sista.
+10

Amefrica:
Hi guys, due to what's going on in our world at the moment, I think it's hightime we started loving each other. I had an encounter with racist people some weeks ago..

My flatmate (a Nigerian) and I went to the mall about some weeks ago to get our winter clothings and all, after we got all paid, we went to the bus-stand to wait for the bus - we got to the stand and met a Canadian man probably in his mid to late forties waiting for the bus too, I said "Hello, how you doing today? Nice weather, isn't it?" The man just bone face, he didn't even answer, my flatmate looked at me and we just acted like it didn't happen.

What he did next was something that irritated me. Immediately he packed his bags and went to the stand opposite us to meet a Canadian woman sitting down too, we didn't give 2 hoots until they started saying some things we couldn't hear, laughing uncontrollably and pointing fingers right at us. My mate got infuriated and wanted to confront them I calmed him down, that they were just ignorant. Few minutes later, the bus came they got on the bus, me and my mate intentionally sat next to them, lo and behold they stood up and went way back to the end of the bus. I was just shaking my head!

For real, racism has got to stop. You have different wardrobes of many colours, can't God have humans with different colours too?

Tho, I've met so many respectful, kind, nice people here. When I told my female bestfriend who is a Canadian too, she asked me to describe them, that she wants to kick their a'ss, I just told her not to worry. I really wish racism could end for good. We have to learn to live and tolerate each other, irrespective of race, religion etc..

Dear Bros,

First of all, everybody don't have a duty to like you. If these persons don't wanna be your friend you don't have to force yourself upon them. You should not chase and shame people for not taking a fancy to you. It is just natural that people have different likes & dislikes without owing you an explanation for their preferences.

As long as such persons do not go out of their way to deny you of your rights then there should be no problem. It's a secular world with room enough to accommodate everybody, whether you like them or not.

But you by choosing to insist that a complete stranger acknowledges your presence and importance, you demonstrate the same intolerance that you purportedly trying to banish. Tolerance does not mean forcing everybody to think and behave in a particular way, in this case: To like a black people (you & your friend). It is perfectly within everybody'e right to like whoever they want to & dislike whoever they want to without fear of persecution, as long as they do not infringe on anybody's rights or freedoms. But what you are doing is pointing, shaming an persecution people because you perceive that they'd not acknowledged you because you are black. What exactly have they deprived you If they are not depriving you of anything that you are entitled to, then let them be. They'd done nothing wrong.

Nice!! A beautiful article, though with some understandable errors, but mostly correct interpretation of s.exual values/attitudes in bible context. Well done OP.

It is true that fornication does not mean pre-marital sex. This inclusion of pre-marital sex is not even a christian definition but one brought in by the catholic church when they began to substitute pagan values for christian doctrine. Celibacy itself has nothing to do with christianity, it is 100 percent pagan. It is from celibacy that they made the extension that pre-marital sex was fornication, and this attitude has carried on in today's mainstream christianity.

Fornication(porneia) simply means "immoral(inappropriate) sex", which include a variety of practices like be.stiality, homose.xuality, adultery, rape, idolatrous prostitution, etc, but no way does it include consensual sex between an unmarried male and an unmarried female.

OP
The best (and I think only way) to master PHP is to build an app first. Build with raw PHP codes that you write yourself(don't use a framework), that way you get to experience & understand how webapp components work because your build them yourself & from scratch. Components such as: Menus & links, sessions, cookies, emails, SQL data input & output, user registration & logon management, pagination, templates, etc .

After this, then reading/using huge libraries of major open source applications/frameworks/CMS becomes easier to understand and to implement. You are able to use them in a flexible manner, choosing what parts of such libraries to use for your project rather than just following instructions without knowing what's happening "under the hood".

Location: Lagos.

Languages: PHP, Javascript/Jquery, SQL. (Of course HTML, XML, JSON & CSS are assumed ).
CMS/Framework: Drupal, Zend
Database: MySQL
Tools: Composer, Pear, Eclipse, Git,

You guys are comparing "apples and oranges". Nairaland and facebook have little in common. They are absolutely different kinds of applications, for absolutely different purposes.

Nairaland is a web forum, where viewing of content in the threads is open to everybody and contribution/sharing of content is open to all registered users.

facebook on the other hand is strictly a social network. Contribution/sharing of content is based on connection between registered users as a minimum requirement.

Predestination simply means that some people have been pre-selected(before they were even born) to come into the knowledge, belief and judgment by the doctrine of grace(And I am one of these people ). This is strictly a grace christianity matter/calling. Every other person will be subject to the law of moses, whether they be christians, moslems, jews, atheist, etc

sanny18: what is phpopp and what is it used for.

You mean PHP OOP??

PHP Object Oriented Programming

Sorry for my long absence guys. I'd address your questions and responses most likely before tomorrow, though I think most of them are quite shallow and without intellectual exercise, but let see...

Deep Sight:

Please delete your quote which contains my email address. I will expect to hear from you.

You are strange to have as much original insight as you do and yet be atheist.

Original!!!! insight LWTMB. Fallacy upon fallacy.... Plaetton don catch you for im trap.

There's nothing insightful about these atheist campaigners. These are simply recitations and slogans they latch onto from their heroes(ala richard dawkins, christopher Hitchens, etc). You know they are not insightful but rather playing to agendas. They pretend to be defenders of liberty but actually their real motive is the dismantling of traditional institutions and redefining values to suit their depraved lusts. Truly, they seem to be everything "anti-family". These people will support anything, no matter how depraved and immoral, as long as it is in opposition to a christian standpoint. Sometime ago, I watched richard dawkins confidently assert that it is better to be continuously se.xually abused as a child than to be raised in a religious home, and shockingly atheists in the audience were gleefully applauding him. These people will attack perfect logic/morals as long as such attack opposes christianity also. A few days ago, I made a perfectly scientifically sound argument, accepted in the scientific community that whatever caused the big-bang that created the universe, then such entity must be timeless, spaceless and immaterial, precisely how the bible describes God as being unobservable\untestable by physical means. This is a sound and accepted opinion in the scientific community, but alas, the atheist @mazaje was spewing fire and brimstone, claiming that this is a lie and that there is no such opinion in the scientific community. Obviously, either he does not understand the big-bang theory or he is deliberately attacking science because it seems to agree with a christian doctrine . Again, Christopher Hitchens was asked a hypothetical question, say: "What if God truly exists for a fact and you know he exists, would you follow him??" and his answer was a blatant "No!!!". Really?? No?? You see how these people will oppose any sound reason as long as they also oppose christianity in doing so.., He would deliberately fight truth and fact just to spite christianity. And these are the people that @plaetton worships SMH

Bros, to know their true natures and intents, just challenge with any true logic but present it under the banner of christianity and you'd see how shockingly they rabidly attack this sound reason. Why?? because it comes from a christian!!. How dare it come from a christain!! SMH...

Deep Sight:
You are strange to say that a religion ought not attack ho.mose.xuality given that religions say that God created all men. It is true: male and female God made them: with specs, to boot.

How can this person assume to opine what christianity(I speak as a christian) should and should not do when he has demonstrated that he knows absolutely nothing of the christian doctrine. He simply takes secular values(which are good and commendable values themselves, and which christianity extols too, but ultimately they are not the main thrust of doctrine, but an addition to doctrine) and sets them up as what christian doctrine should be. He seeks to force christians to believe in certain ideas and force them to behave in certain ways, yet he turns around to say "There must be freedom of and from religion...". If he truly believes in such freedoms, then why does he seek to dictate what christians should be allowed to believe and practice?? Why does he take issue with doctrines that have nothing to do with him?? He claims falsely that christianity preaches hate of homose.xuals, whereas there is no such mandate/command in christian doctrine. Christianity is actually the true secular philosophy in that it states a mandate for believing christians to follow, and absolute nowhere does it command the same disciplines for non-christians. So it is either plaetton is genuinely ignorant of these truths or he is deliberately dishonest is spreading false allegations. He hides behind the cloak of abuses and crimes committed by people who identify as christian, yet he refuses to acknowledge the fact that non of these abuses/crimes is stipulated by the christian doctrines these people purport to follow. It's just people doing bad things in disregard to doctrinal commands.

Why don't you do a proper description of the LOCALITY? Like: What location in what village? To say "Nigeria grand canyon" means nothing...

plaetton:
So you expect me to continue running in circles with you?.
I have a lot of scriptural evidence from my Spiderman comic books.
I wonder what I need to prove with that?
Clap for yourself.
Well done.

^^^^ This is typical symptom of people who are unable to face proper debate, they resort to humor-shots rather than point-shots. I sabi your type well, well

You have so far failed to demonstrate that any of the issues you shoot at with your rants has any basis in christian doctrine.

it seems @plaetton has shut up, after I expose his aimless shooting at issues that has nothing to do with christian doctrine, yet he deliberately attributes them to be christian. Such smelly dishonesty!!

He says Jesus never existed, I push back with logic, he shuts up
He says christianity is a rehash of ancient religions, I push back by challenging him to proof, he shuts up
He says christian doctrine preaches hate for homose.xuals, I push back with doctrine to the contrary, he shuts up.
He says christianity rejects natural laws, I push back with scriptural evidence, he shuts up.

No be to make noise be the matter, But when dem challenge you, are you able to deliver. Now we know you are just empty, hence the much noise.

plaetton:

I'm sorry to have to say this , but see how religion renders an otherwise enlightened person utterly stu.p.id.

The question is not whether we as individuals like or dislike homosexuality. as a matter of fact, I do not like homosexuality. I am not required to , and neither are you.
As far as I know, no one is forcing or requiring you to do so.
You get it?.
It is about a fundamental human right to be one's self and free to express one's self. That is what every individual, homosexual or not, male or female, black or while, religious or atheist deserve. It is basic human dignity, which your s.t.up.id religion, throughout it's evil history,? has denied jews, blacks, women, and now homosexuals.

So god hates homosexuals even though he designed and created man? Is he schizophrenic?
According to your bible, god also hates liars, idolators, theives, fornicators, envy, deciet, etc etc. Not so?
Where did he list a heirachy of sins for you to know which sin he hates more than others?

What is the difference in the eyes of your god between homosexual fornication and heterosexual fornication?
One goes to a lesser hell than the other?

Can you see how schizophrenic and moronic your religious morality really is?
A liar, a thief, a tithe fraudster, p.e.d.ophile priest and a religious bigot is much more evil and much more dangerous to me, to you, and to all humanity than the private bedroom activities of homosexual men.

What is your (you religious nuts) obsession with where a man puts his weiner when he is in the privacy of his home?
Should we all, also in the name of religion, obsess ourselves whether you do the missionary style (christian style), doggy style or the much more lascivious mouth action in your own bedroom.
Surely, I do not think that Yahweh would sanction all your bedroom antics, much of which I would not myself approve.
What do you think?.

I do not like homosexuality, in the same way I do not like Sado-masochism. But it's not my call on how people want to express themselves sexually. I have no issues with a human being who happens to be homosexual, and neither should you.

An undue obsession with the so-called sin of homosexuality is a symptom of deeper issues within, and the religious bent on it is just a vehicle for the expression of those deeper issues.

Bullies are always cowards, and haters are always insecure within.

Bros, you are either genuinely schizophrenic or you are willfully ignorant. Did I not explicitly say that you(anybody) are absolutely free to choose whatever you think is right for yourself?? Let me help you recall:

okeyxyz:
... I'm not against you being gay, you have the liberty to choose whatever you consider good for yourself. But for me/myself, homose.xuality is a no-go area....

Yet you go off on a rant, completely disregarding the respect and freedom that I'd accorded to everyman as If I never made such concessions. You see how dishonest(or incapable of reason) you are?? I deliberately made it known to you that I have no issues with your homose.xuality(should you or anybody choose to be one..), yet you are the one choosing to have issues with my rejection of the same homose.xuality for myself. Tell me, where is it written in christian doctrine that christianity should be forced upon non-christians? What exactly are you ranting about?? This is the problem with you anti-christians, you take up arms against christianity for thing that are not christian stipulations. You see why I say you are ignorant?? Everything you allege above have nothing to do with christianity. You are simply dancing to the tune of the ignorant majority. I have explicitly made that clear on more than one occasion but somehow you turned blind when reading those parts of my writing , God is watching you ooo.

Now allow me to spell it out to you as if you are a 5-year old: Christianity is a discipline(religion) strictly for people who choose to identify with it's truths. If you don't agree with these truths then you are not required to subject yourself to it's disciplines. shikena!!! Yet here you are huffing and puffing over truths and disciplines I choose to subject myself to. With every passage you write you simply expose yourself for bigot that you truly are, pretending to be an advocate of freedom, yet you reject the same freedom I offered you just because I offer it under the banner of christianity. SMDH

plaetton:
Again, the above is as silly as it gets, I am quite shocked that it comes from you, sir.

You seem to have an uncanny obsession with homosexuality, an almost pathological obsession, I must say.
HHHMMMMM!

This is one of those slogans that anti-christianity champions like to throw about. It sounds catchy and cool but really there is no sound logic to back it up. It's like me saying that "You have an obsession with food simply because you eat everyday" or that "The police have an obsession with crime because they are always out to enforce law...". This slogan is just stu.pid when challenged to critical logic, unfortunately the unthinking embrace it, thinking it's a weapon to defeat christianity with

plaetton:
Arguing against homosexulity from a religious point of view is probably the most stu.p.id thing an enlightened person could do.
Infact, it is the ultimate litmus test for intelligence and enlightenment.

Bros, If you were smart, you'd know that homose.xuality can can only be challenged from a religious POV and not from a secular one. Why? because secularity is an all encompassing philosophy that does not distinguish between right or wrong for the self(which is what religion seeks to protect. The self). Secularity is all about: "do whatever you want as long as you don't force another". This is also the POV of true christianity, but christianity goes further to say "as long as you do not harm yourself..., not just another person"

plaetton:
Once again, it showcases the confusion with religious beliefs.

You believe that god created all men, with their different talents and with their different traits, yet god either made an error, or he fell asleep and let the devil slip one on him.
And yet, god sees the error, for 500,000 years since he created humans, he could not correct the error of his creation.
So, he appoints to you christians the task of singling out one of his many errors to hate and discriminate against.
If the above is true , what does that say about your god?

Grow up man, and start thinking.

Okay, do you hate and discriminate against poison?
This is precisely what homose.xuality is to the true christian doctrine. I'm not against you being gay, you have the liberty to choose whatever you consider good for yourself. But for me/myself, homose.xuality is a no-go area. It is absolutely unacceptable. You'd understand and respect this if you are truly a secular minded person as you purport to be.

plaetton:
Lie.

Perhaps your own kitchen variety christianity.
And again, this buttresses my point.
Everyone cooks up the perfect religion,the perfect christianity according the their own kitchen ingredients.

The Christianity that came from Palestine, the only one we know for that matter, sees as it's primary legitimate duty, to stand in opposition to , and as a substitute for nature and her regenerate and facund attributes.
And of course, this is Christianity fails, because it is an artificial construct.

Chai!!! Ignorance gone wild. You simply demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing about this christianity that you assume to judge. Anybody who knows the truth of Christianity(like moi of-course ) knows that It acknowledges and embraces all that is natural, and in addition transcends nature. But the ignorants think that transcend means to be against. Partial knowledge is dangerous. How can christianity be against nature with doctrines like these:

To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted---(Titus 1:15).

All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify---(1 Corinthians 10:23)

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse---(Romans 1:20).

I could go on and on, but if you are smart you'd get the gist, else I'm casting my pearls before swine---(Matthew 7:6)

plaetton:

Honestly, I cannot believe that you can say something like this.
Therein lies all of the conflicts of humanity.
"My belief is the true one".

It is quite funny that you using and displaying the very mindset that makes religion evil and laughable to justify religion.

Okay, so does the fact that there are many conflicting claims to the truth about God(or any subject for that matter) preclude the existence of God? or does these conflicts nullify all claims because they don't agree? Of course truth remains one and unshakable, regardless of it's misunderstandings. The flaw in your logic is to hold an absolute conclusion that there cannot be a God simply because of these disagreements. It's wiser to say that none that you'd heard so far has satisfied your enquiries about God rather than to say "God cannot exist".

plaetton:
You are also displaying a great deal of ignorance if you are unaware that christianity is a contrived religion, made of of the philosophies,myths and traditions of many many ancient cultures.
That is an indisputable historical fact.
So, to say that the true ideas of god are definitely christian shows a level of ignorance that I somehow thought you were well above.

Therein lies your ignorance. You use patterns and co-incidences to decide facts and history. If I challenged you to name these pagan roots of christianity, you'd simply reel out a list of catholic beliefs and practices which themselves has no basis in christian doctrines that are laid out in the new-testament. Or you point me to relationships to krishna, bhudda, Horus, Amun, etc, which relationships have been thoroughly investigated and proven to be falsehood peddled by christian antagonist like Asharia-S, Jordan Maxwell, Gerald Massey, etc. If you truly think these claims are true, then here is your opportunity to win $1000. No body has yet been able to provide authoritative proofs/texts of these claims that christianity is simply a rehash of ancient religions, the antagonist who started these myths have fled at every opportunity offered them to defend their publications. Also, consider the uncanny co-incidences between the lives of Abraham Lincoln and John. F. Kennedy(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln–Kennedy_coincidences_urban_legend) , If not that we have recent documents establishing that these are infact two different individuals, people like you will come here claiming that John. F. Kennedy never existed(Just as you claim Jesus never existed) and that he's just a rehash of Abraham Lincoln.

Sorry Bros, all your beliefs and arguments against christianity are the real myths, not christianity itself.

^^^^ Just ask yourself one question: According to the bible, is it possible that popular doctrine could be right with God?? Answer: NO!!! There's only one reason that you condemn me and that is because my ideas go against convention of both the religious and secular institutions.

^^^ To start with, the true ideas of God are definitely christian(ie: based on christ, but not the christianity that you are used to). True christianity embraces all things in nature, not forbidding to eat, drink, wear, learn, practice, etc. True christianity stipulates that all things(created by God) are lawful/permissible and therefore cannot defile your holiness/righteousness. There's only one thing that defiles and that is homos.exuality and from which all manner of misbehaviors derive, all complexes, all bitterness, all possessiveness, all fears, etc.

Panshow:
Well said Bro. The bolded needs more than just a second thought. But if you tell me that the failure of religion has nothing to do with the question of whether God exist or not, it will only throw me into more confusion cos as much as I know, it is only within the religion circle that the concept of God is being discussed. Maybe I still need to know more about this.

It's simple. The ideas and practices of religions that you are familiar with are simply false. They are so false that secular institutions now recommend what religions are true and worthy of a following. The Pope is voted as Man Of The Year by secular institutions, why?? Because the catholic institution is more interested in appealing to numbers rather than to truth. Most Religions today are nothing but political institutions, they boast of numbers, of who has the biggest cathedrals, of who commands the biggest crowds, of who is more in turn with popular cultures, etc. What you have is religion pursuing secular values, hence they rely on the secular world to approve or condemn right and wrong. These are definitely not true religions.

Deep Sight:

Fair enough, but word of advise: be careful to keep a balanced and inquiring perspective with every idea that confronts you: apply same to religions, and apply same to sciences, and apply same to atheistic notions as well. For otherwise you may liberate yourself from religious dogmatism and find yourself locked in another form of absurd dogmatism. Believe in yourself, you have the faculties you need to figure out your existence and its meaning and purpose. Do not let any one else do your thinking for you. Most of all remember that the failures of religion have nothing to do with the question of whether a God exists and whether such a God has a purpose and meaning for your life. Finally remember that even if you think or conclude that such a God does not exist, you can still look within yourself and bestir your mind and conscience for simple answers to your issues and objectives in this life.

I wish you blessings and grace always.

Well done @theBolded.

What plaetton, logicboy, AManFromMars, etc do is simply to highlight the Abuse of religion and using them to conclude that God cannot exist. This is certainly warped logic rather than an objective logic. I don't blame them though, the christian scripture stipulate that the fake religions and concepts of God will be in the majority, while the true concepts of god would be scorned, persecuted, labeled as cults, and even secular institutions will unite with religious institutions to condemn the true ideas and practices of God.

Wisdom: To know Truth is to perceive that which underlies facts. Gbam!!!

Yes, truth and fact are totally different entities. They may agree, but definitely separate.

Because if you say Mary is "The Woman", meaning: the ultimate woman, just like Eve was "The Woman", then you now elevate her to divine status just like Jesus, which means that all the catholic doctrines about Mary are true; doctrines like: that she's was born without sin, she never had s.ex before and after Jesus, she was carried off straight to heaven and was never buried, etc. You really don't understand the significance of what you are trying to establish here.

OLAADEGBU:

In that case I'll refer you to back to the first gospel preached:

"And I would put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel" (Genesis 3:15).

There you see the Seed of the woman turned out to be no other one than the One and only Saviour from sin, our Lord Jesus Christ who was born of the virgin Mary.

You err, not knowing scriptures. The passage above was not intended to certify genealogy through the feminine gender. It has never been so and it will never be so. It is unnatural. When that passage said "seed of the woman", it meant that the Saviour of mankind was going to be human, not an angel or whatever else. So being born through a woman was the ONLY way of certifying that God was gonna come as human, this does not in any way authorize the woman to be the path for tracing genealogy.

mazaje:

The scientific consensus is that no one know what caused the big bang. . . .Scientist have no position on what caused it. . .Saying that it must be immaterial, spaceless, timeless etc is your own making. . .Some of them have posited that the multiverse theory of a cyclical universes. . .How you came up with scientist saying that the cause of the big bang is timeless, spaceless etc is just what I want you to provide evidence for. . .You made the statement so provide the evidence. . .

Finally!!! I knew you were gonna expose yourself as lacking the (proper) understanding of the scientific documents. Because if you did, you wouldn't be opposing me, you'd know that I'd merely interpreted the document to be as clear as possible, even to a non-scientist. But people like you go about insisting that one gives a presentation to reflect the jargons and verbosities in the technical document, meanwhile you don't even understand them yourself. The bible describes people like this(like you) as following the letters(jargons, literalness) of the law rather than the spirit(principles, understanding) of the law, for the letter kills(is hard, misleads) but the spirit gives life(makes clear, liberates)... Now let me break it down for you:

Every observable aspect of the known universe, ie: space, time and matter was created by the big-bang, correct?? So what does that mean? It means that before the big-bang, there was no space, no time, and no matter, There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! correct?? It then follows that whatever it is that caused the big-bang, it must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial, since space, time and matter did not exist before big-bang.

So bros, while you may have demonstrated that you'd seen the scientific document, I on the other hand has shown that I understood it so well that I'm able to break it down so that a five year old would understand it. GBAM!!! Oya! clap for me.

mazaje:
Now its biblical evidence, eh?. . .The bible talks about god addressing people through public speech and showing his body parts to some of them, how is that not observing him through material terms?. . .When men were primitive their god was all over the place with them, now that they are advanced he ran away , eh?. . .

Just like in the Big-bang above, you don't understand what you talk about. You are misled(through no fault of yours). I tell you now that those people in the old testament thought they saw God but in reality they were witnessing the operations/manifestations of angels. This was so because it was the era of THE LAW, and in that era(while the law was still standing) it is impossible to see/know/understand God. I know you don't understand what I'm saying because you don't even understand the christian principle but I'm just putting it out just in case you'd want to investigate more, else I'm merely casting pearls before swine(matthew 7:6) choi!!!

mazaje:
Shouting that am ignorant without pointing it out is not a point when arguing. . .Ok, let me break it down for you. . .The scientific explantion for how humans came about is that we evolved from other primates. . .Which part of the christian teaching supports or agrees with that?. . .

Again, you(and most people) are misled. The proposition that we came about through Darwinian evolution is an interpretation rather than a demonstration. There is no scientific data anywhere demonstrating this. Just like the proposition that we came about through creation is also an interpretation and the data does not demonstrate this. The scientific data simply shows evidence of relationships/similarities. Now the proponents of Darwinian evolution interpret these relationships as proof of common ancestry while people like me interpret the same data as proof of common design/designer. The raw data itself does not have an opinion, simples!! The process of Darwinian evolution has never been observed/documented anywhere, whether in the wild, in the lab or outerspace. Not one observation, yet you want to push it as scientific fact. How can it be scientific fact if it cannot be tested?? At best, it is a hypothesis, not a theory.

You may claim that you need millions of years to demonstrate Darwinian evolution. Again this is fallacy, I don't need you to demonstrate how monkeys turned to man, but what we require of you to demonstrate Darwinian evolution is to show us where this process has ever occurred in DNA which is the most basic unit of life. You don't need years to demonstrate this. Nowhere has any scientist been able to generate DNA from non-living material. Nowhere has has it ever been observed that a dog DNA has evolved into a non-dog DNA. Mind you, I'm not talking about mutation, because mutation is clearly no evolution.