plaetton:

Yeah Man, longest time.
Nice to see ya again.

Just passing by...

Plaetton, Deepsight, long time.

Trudax:


IQ tests are a standard. I am not saying they are the best standard that could ever be created, but there results are highly predictive of aspects of intelligence that encompass the ability to learn, to think critically, to decipher complex problems and abstract reasoning. It's no surprise that geniuses like Albert Einstein, Steven Hawkins and Steven Weinberg, score higher that majority of the world's population. According to IQ tests, East Asians score higher on the average, not even Caucasians. So I don't even no where you are getting the idea that I am suggesting that whites are intellectually superior to other races.

Do u know blacks outside Africa also score higher in such tests.
Do u know iq test is not the conclusive test for intelligence?
Do you know that not all who score higher in such test are exceptional in logic and science?
You need to make more research about iq test and its place in intelligence.
There's more to intelligence than such tests.

Trudax:


There has not been data concerning the genes that control intelligence because people like you and Sarassin and all politically correct academics and so called liberals, strongly oppose and stifle the efforts of anyone who asks these kind of questions.

My argument is from observation, which I laid out in my first two posts, and it's strongly supported by various IQ tests that have been conducted globally, which there is enough data for.

Its not about the question asked, the question is valid. It's about the truth of the answers.

There is no genetic database nor standard for intelligence that can be compared which can lead to conclusions that whites are smarter.

Again, not all whites are smart, its just that their works are propagated than ours. There are also exceptional inventors, doctors, writers etc from Africa who are recognized worldwide.

Your argument would have some validity if all non africans are smarter than all Africans

calculator123:
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U said nothing

Trudax:


How can you claim all humans have the same intelligence when we evidently differ in every other expressable trait? If there are genes that control every other trait, couldn't it be that there are genes that control intelligence and some races tend to have more highly evolved forms of these genes and possess it in greater number among their population?

But your FEW black classmates are just a minority in respect to the entire black population. How can you use their example as a conclusive proof to make the assertion that every race has the same intelligence? Chinese outperform every other race irrespective of their environment. And there performance also corresponds with the results of IQ tests which blacks the tend to underperform other race on the average.

I think the culture, structure and environment of a large group of individuals, is a more reliable way of evaluating variables such as intelligence. That's why in my argument against Sarassin, I used the the history and present situation of sub-saharan Africa to illustrate my point.

I don't think this is a self a degrading question. I think it's one of the problems underlying sub-saharan Africa's underdevelopment and why it's lagging behind in various areas, and acknowledging it, is the first step at mitigating these problem.

I dont think you have data concerning genes that code for intelligence. When you do, you can make your conclusion.

For now, intelligence is like a memory stick, only those with data are useful, no matter there capacity. Hope you understand why your argument is wrong.

calculator123:

IDLE is the interactive shell?

Do u know what an ide is?

oaroloye:


If it is obvious, why are you incapable of demonstrating your supposedly superior Wisdom?

You claim to have considerable experience debating the Existence of God. What is obvious is that you are not capable of debating.



But the existence of Yahweh God and lesser so-called gods has been proven many times.

God delivered when His Worshipers fulfilled the conditions for His Manifestation; other gods have done the same, and continue to do the same.

All you are doing is mere gainsaying.



I quite agree; therefore, I only talk about what has been proven.



There is no way that you could possibly know that.

At best, you can only say that you have never witnessed such proofs.

In which case, you are an incompetent researcher, as well as an exaggerator.



Which Prophets are those?

Name my Prophets, if you claim to know all the Prophets who "made a living out of me?"

All of the Prophets I ever gave money to earned their keep abundantly.

I learned to become a Prophet in my own right, and know what obtains, and what doesn't. Anyone doing less is wasting their time.

I have only had time for genuine Prophets who could deliver what they promised.



I have no respect for liars. Get that straight.



You are puffed-up with pride, and therefore unable maintain your inflated opinion of yourself, when someone is able to to point out how very little you know.

An Anthropologist, such as CARLOS CASTANEDA, or MICHAEL HARNER would travel thousands of miles into hazardous territory to investigate the gods of other people, learning what they hitherto had not known, despite how contrary to their education it was, and after much perilous hardship, they came away with useful knowledge.

You have never made such a journey of exploration in your life- you would at the very least have learned patience- all you have ever done is bandy words- and you are not even good at that.

You are still a child, who has to take his bat and his ball and run home crying to his mama, so to speak, because the game does not go his way.




It does matter to you, that you are incapable of proving your extravagantly and blatantly false points.

You are merely a dilettante, chasing imaginary points of no value, whereas the real Divine Treasures of Life are meaningless to you.



I indeed do not have to speak offensively: I do it purposely, to weed out the weak-minded and immature, in case they come take on what they cannot bear, thinking it something they can play with at will! If you do not have the strength of character to withstand mid sarcasm and reproof, how will you be able to withstand The Voice of God, telling you of your Sins in intimate detail? You won't. Your mind will just cave in.

SELF-IMPORTANCE is the chief obstacle to Spiritual Learning.

The Spiritually-Ignorant pay more attention to how things are told them than what they are told- and if it is not delivered in the way that they like, they are going to trample it in the dirt, and attack the Messengers of Truth. This has happened since The Beginning of History, and it will continue to the End of the Era.

This is why you could never learn anything.

You let the Earth- that is, the Chemicals in your Brain- dictate your Thoughts and your Actions.

"My ADRENALINE has peaked- IT'S TIME TO GET ANGRY!"

"My NERVES are registering EMOTIONAL PAIN- because of something that I have heard- I had better run away again!"

You are not your BODY: your MIND is supposed to control your Body.

If it is the other way around- your Body telling your Mind what to think and what to do- you will never find any God, because The Enemy can use The Earth to blindfold you.

smh

My girlfriend once tried to change me, but I wouldn't yield. I wanted to, but the illusion of religion didn't overcome my free thought. Now she loves me anyhow, she doesn't even mention it anymore. If she invites me to special church services, I go. But we both know am not into such stuff.

Just like the drunk doesn't feel like he's drunk, the dumb never know they are dumb. The religious never realize they've been deluded. So points like these wouldn't matter to them.

oaroloye:


The first thing you learn about Yahweh God is that He has intermediaries called "PROPHETS," who define His Ways to the unSpiritual.



There is no easy proof for the non-Spiritual.

Your "Invincible Ignorance" is a Level of Mental Stability which is shattered by Proof that does not come through Rational Introduction.



An honest person would not say that.

An honest person would say that they do not know anyone who has proven that their God or gods exist.

JAMES RANDI could not honestly say that no one ever proved that the Supernatural does not exist; at best, he can only say that he has never met anyone who showed him such proof.



Oyinbos like to talk. They like to believe that words spoken at the Level of Ignorance have significance.



You quit before you achieved results.

You are a quitter.

Yahshua said that Fruits are achieved by the Patient.

The Prophets of The Bible who experienced God- were any of them impatient people?

You seem to believe that God needs to reveal himself to you, under conditions of your own choosing, isn't that right?

You do not believe that you have to change your thinking and your behavior in order to survive Direct Experience of God?

Continuation of debate when the idea of god is an obvious irrationality is nothing but a waste of time.

What has not been proven cannot be disproved. There is no logic in trying to disprove an unproven position. I do not need to disprove god, he hasnt been proven.

Your prophets make a living out of you, teaching you individual rubbish as they see fit, all in the name of revealing a god that is no where.

Its obvious you lack netiquettes. Just because you are writing on the internet doesnt mean you shouldn't have some level of respect for your discussant and control your emotional outburst. Your manner of speaking cannot make me continue this discussion. It never matters to me anyway.

You do not have to use offensive words to preach a holy god. When you've found your manners, come back.

oaroloye:


Don't you think it important to understand why it is that God is not omnipresent?

God cannot be separated from His Wisdom, Knowledge, nor Power.

In the Spiritual Realm, there is no such thing as a "part" of an object or an entity; either the entirety of it is available, or else none of it is available. This Principle is applied in Psychometric Divination- where the Seer perceives information about, day, s person, through contact with some possession of theirs'. Anecdotally applied to solve Law Enforcement Missing Persons cases.

If God were present on the Earth, He would have to react to conditions in the area He exercised His Presence in.

That would entail Him enforcing His Law on at least 1^st Heaven Level (7^th Awareness Level), dispensing Rewards, or inflicting Punishments- executing Judgment.

If He just wanted to punish Sinners, He would simply come down here and do it. However, whereas THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL (Virtue) is His least (7^th) Attribute, It is overruled by His Higher Attributes: (6^th) KNOWLEDGE, (5t^h) TEMPERANCE, and (4^th) PATIENCE, specifically, besides the other Attributes.

The Old Testament Prophets may have had to say that "GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS," because they could not Understand Them, because they could not think at that level, nor were they required to. We to not have that excuse, because The Son of God has opened The Mysteries of The Kingdom of Heaven to us, and we are liable, should we ignore his Revelation.

Its funny how you think you know the mind of god enough to explain how he works and what he'd do in particular situations.

You are yet to prove this god even exist anywhere. No one has ever proved his chosen god exists.

I have debated the idea of gods alot, and after years doing that, I have settled. And am not about to begin again.

@ oaroloye, if god is not omnipresent, then this long write up is not necessary. The original idea is to show that god isn't omnipresent, which is what you just confirmed, or agreed to.
So calm down and let god defend himself, if he is anywhere

ScienceWatch:
The evidence of creation is not hard to find. The mind-blowing evidence for CREATION is put in its simplest form in
John 14:12. Dishonest scientists earn a living from shoving ideas into the laps of the masses that usually have no way to verify the poo.

Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists in John 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater WORKS than these shall you do; because I go unto my Father.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches.

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them,”As my father sent me, so send I you.”
Jesus say clearly in these biblical refs that these WORKS that he does bear witness that the Father has sent him.

Another oaf using the bible to prove the bible...

Good

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Yes people's psychology do change, but one common observation on all who have left atheism is that, apart from their new found sentiments for religion, they have absolutely no proof for their new found faith, neither can any one of them provide proof against atheism. None of them proved God, all of them got sunk into faith.
They all seem to suffer from some sort of religious Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.

trapQ:
you're a big fool. why didn't you make those lucky guesses yourself Thomas??

you're very dumb. all the best world engineers had to search for the missing flight for over a year before finding it. something tb joshua could easily prophesy to the church in Lagos, Nigeria. your foolishness is alarming

Mumu

kay1one2:


"IF"

Don't you think it does everyday? The mother only shows up at the right time! In the interim, any communication is by signs; faith!

Can the mother hear the fetus asking for her?

Can your god hear me asking for him?

This analogy does not apply. No mother ever hears her fetus' voice. Does god hear my voice?

So try harder.

kay1one2:

What evidence did you have for a mother in the womb? Whatever it is, its still the same for God in the now.

If a fetus is capable to ask for its mother, medicine will show her to it.

We are capable to ask for god, where is it?

The requirement for getting born is being fit to survive air world, not believing an air world exists.
So if a baby believes in an air world but didn't develop lungs, he doesn't survive.
So faith still does not matter.

And there is evidence for a mother in the womb, there is none for a god.

texanomaly:


It is just funny that believers use the exact same words, except they say they do believe there is a God. Hmmm

Haha, you got me. I have nothing but reason to offer you, though.

texanomaly:


You are so unbelievably funny sometimes ooman. This is my favorite statement of this entire thread thus far.

Perhaps it will be the favorite statement of your life if you can only think beyond your childhood inculcation.

KingEbukasBlog:


God exists

Keep telling yourself that. Isn't that what faith is all about? Repetition of illogicality?

DeepSight:


Well to some extent you are right. However the intrinsic idea is not too different.
Of course the religions embellish that idea with all sorts of nonsensical and superstitious ideas and legends.

Thanks for the reply. That's what I wanted to point out.

If God is strictly defined as you did, I will have no problem with [such] God.

DeepSight:


That was simple annoyance at the behaviour of Seun. Also the board i created was for the specific purpose of concluding a discussion with Anony
Nothing more.

Yes I am deist

But a spiritual one. Life is deep and spiritual.
There is God, the ultimate mind that spawns and encapsulates all reality.

Don't waste your life with Atheism brothers.

That being you describe is not the God of religion.

Pls stop mentioning my name. I have said enough on Nairaland, I say no more.

KoloOyinbo:


Well If he revealed himself plainly then there would be no merit in FAITH. The inherent instinct that all men have to believe (at least at the start) in a creator is NOT proof of a God but to most is a strong indication.

As for no proof for him we have agreed this MANY times in this thread and many others.

No proof for - No proof against. Either is a valid stance. In fact there CAN be no proof for or against!

This is the basis of the discussion that only agnosticism is supportable and that Atheism requires every bit as much FAITH as Theism. Both operate without proof.

You really think faith is anything useful? Faith is the most useless and self-delusive virtue any human can possess. This is why it is not one of the virtues of rational people.

Merit in faith? This is a joke, really.

I have no inherent instinct to believe anything. I don't have an inherent instinct to believe in the Jewish god as I have no inherent instinct to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Me and you agreed on what?

There is no need for proof against when there is no single proof for.

Atheism is never based on faith, but lack of it.

Am out. Don't have time for this aberration of reason.

KoloOyinbo:


GOD for starters.

Steady state theory for seconds

Yea I understand those things. But if we have a god who wants to know me, expects me to spend the rest of my life worshiping him, then it is pointless hiding. So it is either he is anywhere, then show up, or he is no where, so there is no proof for him.

Heaven is that thing in-between my legs, hell is that hole in between my azs.

jayriginal:


Ooman, lack of proof of something is not proof against it.

Might be. Give me instances where it is wrong.

KoloOyinbo:


Don't confuse belief in a God with formal religion.

We are only debating an academic point.

The only one who has a concrete argument is the Agnostic who says that we have no proof and indeed CAN HAVE NO proof EITH way that God does or does not exist!

The Theist and Atheist BOTH say I cannot prove my point of view. Thus They both resort to FAITH although of a different sort.

It is because of this (often blind) FAITH requirement for the Atheist that I suggested this thread as a fun discussion.

As for the derogatory (and rather ill mannered) comments on Theists is that the only mechanism you have to support your erroneous arguments?

The argument that there is no proof for the nonexistence of god is as dumb as it is old.
What am I to prove wrong here? Something that hasn't been slightly proved?

That god exists is only a thought, only a statement. Lack of proof for it is automatically proof against it.