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Ubenedictus: now take this one easy, i know u are against tithe and all but the above is a bit offline, paul worked and set an example that the presbyter can work for his own sustainence but paul never preached that the presbyter MUST work. Instead paul himself taught that the christian community should contribute to d support of the minister.

While exposing d fact that tithing isn't for the xtians do not confuse it with the legit care for the prebyter dat the bible agrees with.
Thanks.

Yes Bro ( Did I just call you Bro ) !

There are those who are really doing the work of GOD with all their hearts and minds, with no desire for material gain or wealth, we MUST and should support such, not through tithes but gifts and financial support.

We agree !

Mintayo:

i will leave with this-please read 1 cor 9:11-15.

Please i hope you are saved,because this our argument about tithe will not either of us to heaven!

when the morning comes, on judgement day, we shall understand it better bye and bye.

Oops!

sunny t:
Iv wanted to ask some questions abt tithe, pls i will prefer a real tither to respond.

1. Apart from the 10 commandments, God gave moses some other laws, like 87, which tithe is part of. Most of those laws have been nullified thanks to calvary. Now the question is; y does d church or pastors emphasize d tithe issue bt keep tellin us we are free frm d other laws?

2. The 2nd question is if tithe is of such high significance like we have bin made to believe, why didnt Jesus preach it? The only place Jesus mentiond tithe throughout his stay on earth, he refered to tithe as a religious observation.

3. The original or early churches like Catholic dnt emphasize tithes, y shd the new generational make people feel lik dey wont make heaven if dey dnt pay tithe?

4. We are new testament christians and the new testament was very clear abt giving to the poor, widow, etc. The bible says no one shd give under compulsion. Why are the new generation pastors making us contradict d gospel?

Mind you, i pay my tithe every month, i believe is a key to unlocking heavenly blessings

You are indeed part of the few that Tithe paying will never work for because you are not convinced in what you are doing. When did Tithing become compulsion or a matter of duress?. Just like do not fornicate or commit adultery if you want to make heaven, so is tithing if you want to be prosperous. If Witches and Wizards pay Tithes in their Coven, and we know that what the devil has are imitations of God's covenant practices, why do supposedly Christian have problems with Tithing?.

Frisbee, Pastor Kun, Goshen 360 are false teachers, who are opposers of the truth. Desist from them and their teachings!

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]. Nicely written. But would have been better without the insult. Thanks for the bible passage too.

you know whats funny in all this?

I know many rich people who aren't even Christians...

One thing we should ask is, how come Nigeria is such a mess and yet theres a church in every corner.. Surely God should be blessing all of us since we have a lot of churches and pay our tithes.. Go to the middle east, china, etc, very developed, less poverty, and they don't go to church or pay tithes..

P/S ill like to add that one of my contacts in Guangzhou,(China) said that A LOT of his Nigerian friends who couldn't succeed with business in China came back to Nigeria and are now pastors and making a lot of money, and they have been trying to convince him to become a pastor too. lol.

Its amusing watching you all argue over nonsense.. Keep giving the money to those Nigerian guys while they laugh all the way to the bank, and buy new cars and jets.

Cheers

Degis:

You are indeed part of the few that Tithe paying will never work for because you are not convinced in what you are doing. When did Tithing become compulsion or a matter of duress?. Just like do not fornicate or commit adultery if you want to make heaven, so is tithing if you want to be prosperous. If Witches and Wizards pay Tithes in their Coven, and we know that what the devil has are imitations of God's covenant practices, why do supposedly Christian have problems with Tithing?.

Frisbee, Pastor Kun, Goshen 360 are false teachers, who are opposers of the truth. Desist from them and their teachings!

Now we can see where you and your false friends get their false doctrine from.

baturef: . Nicely written. But would have been better without the insult. Thanks for the bible passage too.

insult ? Where ?

graluxxy054: I don't know y people like creating problems for themselves. I don't know y people like involving themselves in things that does not concern them? Leave God and pastors matter alone before you incur Gods wrath upon yourself. Don't add or subtract anything to/from the Bible. I've read my Bible and I've not seen where God instructed us to give our offerings and tithes to the poor. If u want to give to the poor, do it the right way and at the right time. Stop twisting Gods word to suit yourself and situation!

If you're in d league of those that tell people things that are not in d Bible, desist from it now cos God will hold u responsible for every soul you mislead

I think the Bible you read must have been written by a native doctor, if not you would have find the verses supporting the arguments of the OP in both the old and new testaments.

#JustThinkingAloudAnyway#

ezme:



Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war. Please provide any bible translation where "this tenth" Abraham gave was actually called tithe.

Let me put present day tithing in perspective. Tithing is a membership criterion for administrative purposes and is not an instruction from God for present day Christians.

Tenth of the spoils is the origin of tithe, don't let english confuse you.
Did God instruct Abraham to pay the tithes?
You are saying that God will not bless anyone that partakes in funding the church to help preach the gospel.
You are saying that God will not bless anyone that gives tithe to a church who later distributes the money to widows and needy in the society.
You are saying that God will not bless anyone that gives tithe to the church which can be used to offer free health care to the poor.
SMH

You do not know what churches do with their tithes, if you cant pay yours let others be.

jjman2322: you know whats funny in all this?

I know many rich people who aren't even Christians...

One thing we should ask is, how come Nigeria is such a mess and yet theres a church in every corner.. Surely God should be blessing all of us since we have a lot of churches and pay our tithes.. Go to the middle east, china, etc, very developed, less poverty, and they don't go to church or pay tithes..

P/S ill like to add that one of my contacts in Guangzhou,(China) said that A LOT of his Nigerian friends who couldn't succeed with business in China came back to Nigeria and are now pastors and making a lot of money, and they have been trying to convince him to become a pastor too. lol.

Its amusing watching you all argue over nonsense.. Keep giving the money to those Nigerian guys while they laugh all the way to the bank, and buy new cars and jets.

Cheers

Pal, it's a mindset.

These articles are all part of the process of Psychotherapy , to deliver many of these MOG defending sheeple , who have lost their ability for independent analysis and assessment of TRUTH.

frosbel2:
Yes Bro ( Did I just call you Bro ) !
There are those who are really doing the work of GOD with all their hearts and minds, with no desire for material gain or wealth, we MUST and should support such, not through tithes but gifts and financial support.
We agree !

amen!
U are really shocked to say 'bro'. Lol

frosbel2:

The Pastor needs to get a JOB, Paul worked etc.

The Church is not a welfare state for just anybody, it is to meet the needs of the needy , not the rich.

Did Paul work after he became the child of God or before he met the lord on the way to Damascus?

One more thing, Nigerians don't believe in coincidence..

You study, pass, and then proclaim the only reason you passed is God..

Or you have a baby, and claim it was due to God's mercies..

Well, what about the 1000000 other babies born today that are healthy and their mother's don't even believe in God?

A nigerian travels a long distance, makes it there, then can't stop thanking God for journey mercies.. Well 100 million people also got where they are going today and they don't even believe in God..

Or those who believe they must give money to "GOD" via church so they can also receive money back, etc.. Well tell that to millions of rich Chinese people, or millions of rich Arabs, who don't even know what a church looks like..

Anyway ill rest my case.. I think part of our problem is illiteracy, and i weep for my people.

frosbel2:

Yes Bro ( Did I just call you Bro ) !

There are those who are really doing the work of GOD with all their hearts and minds, with no desire for material gain or wealth, we MUST and should support such, not through tithes but gifts and financial support.

We agree !

We are saying the same thing from this perspective.

jmoore:
Tenth of the spoils is the origin of tithe, don't let english confuse you.
Did God instruct Abraham to pay the tithes?
You are saying that God will not bless anyone that partakes in funding the church to help preach the gospel.
You are saying that God will not bless anyone that gives tithe to a church who later distributes the money to widows and needy in the society.
You are saying that God will not bless anyone that gives tithe to the church which can be used to offer free health care to the poor.
SMH

You do not know what churches do with their tithes, if you cant pay yours let others be.

You shouldn't let Jewish customs confuse you. Why stop at paying a tenth? why didn't you join Abraham in offering burnt offerings also? Keep allowing your advance fee fraud(tithe-preaching) pastor deceive you.

zoelife: Hmmm. Prepping to do a thorough exegesis on this ever controversial subject of tithes, offering and Prosperous preachers. God will grant me the ability.
As for the original topic: guess frosbel & co have an issue with Preachers, not with giving or obeying God. To dat I'll say, kudos for ur righteous motives.
Won't say more dan dis.

Exegesis? Coming Soon!!!

May God give you the strength. We will be here to fellowship with you.

frosbel2:

Question : Where is GOD's storehouse ?

If you say the TEMPLE, well the Temple was destroyed in 70ad.

If you say your church then you are lying because GOD does not dwell in physical buildings but in the temple which is his People.

"Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?" - 1 Corinthians 3:16

Secondly this meat you keep talking about, can you kindly tell us if GOD eats MEAT ? Is MEAT not meant for the poor and needy among us.

In other words, in the era of the levitival priesthood, agricultural produce was sent to the storehouse for distributing to , and for , the feeding of the priests , the poor , widows , orphans and foreigners.

By the way , there is no levitical priesthood today just in case you call you pastors Levites, we , the children of GOD are the priests of GOD , all of us , not just a select few , and Jesus us our high preist.

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." - 1 Peter 2:9



LIE !!

Nowhere in the bible is the Tithe meant for the purpose you just described, you obviously do not know your bible.




Hmm, maybe that was because he was not the temple treasurer. Also Jesus threw those charlatans out of the temple because just like today they had turned his house into a place of merchandise.

"And to those who had been selling doves he said: “Take these things out of here, and do not make my Father's house a house of trade.” - John 2:16

Many false MOG have turned their fellowships into places of trade, business centers, places to network and link up with those who have the cash and power.





That is because no one paid tithes in the early church , so it was never mentioned, I wonder why ?

Why not just say that you desire to see the funding of churches ended so that their growth is curtailed and the spread of the gospel curtailed. Just get to the point.

alexleo: I am not suprised to see this in front page because Jesoul is against tithing and manmustwac being an atheist may not also be in support of that hence the smooth sail of this frosbel false teaching to the front page. SATAN SEEMS TO BE WINNING HIS BATTLE OF PLANTING FALSE DOCTRINE IN CHRISTIANITY BUT GOD WILL NOT ALLOW HIM.

What is false teaching about this? Show us where the Apostles taught tithing to the early church other than giving from the heart and in keeping with one's income, sharing among believers. TITHING FOR CHRISTIANS IS FALSE TEACHING AND HEBREWS 7 PUTS AND END TO IT.

Reference:

Why not just say that you desire to see the funding of churches ended so that their growth is curtailed and the spread of the gospel curtailed. Just get to the point.

You mean adding to your social clubs ?

No doubt , millions are saved by GOD and they join these clubs only to be told they are under a curse even though JESUS paid it all, because they do not pay tithes .

The gospel will continue to be preached by all irrespective of the motive.

"15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice." - Philippians 1:15-18

Because you cannot find any assembly where members are alive to their financial obligations towards God that is not thriving. It is not rocket science. If you want church growth and more people to hear the gospel you have to fund it. That is the meat in the storehouse thing. Church growth is a threat to some so they oppose the funding. Period.

On point frosbel, Myself for instance, I use to have UPS and downs when I was "devoted Tither".
sometimes I will sooooo fail in my finances that I will become angry with God.

I will say God has cheated me cos I fulfilled my own part by paying my tithes yet I lost money in business.

I began to have doubts about d book of Malachi, I did my research and discovered that tithing is a very big told by businessmen who call themselves pastors to remain in business.

I've stopped paying tithes, i still make progress in my businesses; is it d devil that blesses me now?

When i make losses now, i will seat down and try to understand where i went wrong rather then holding God responsible responsible for my failures.

'The poor will alwayz be there for you to give to them but I won't alwayz be there.' Jesus responding to his disciple when a lady wanted to wash his feet with oitment against the wish of the disciples who thought the substance could have been sold and the proceed given to the poor.


There is a 100 fold return on blessing for paying tithe while there is 30 fold return for giving to the poor.

So I rather give to God for 100 folds return

Reference: Because you cannot find any assembly where members are alive to their financial obligations towards God that is not thriving. It is not rocket science. If you want church growth and more people to hear the gospel you have to fund it. That is the meat in the storehouse thing. Church growth is a threat to some so they oppose the funding. Period.

The Church is the People not the building !!

Do according to your understanding. I pay my tithes at the alter, I don't care what it is used for because is not my business. I only fulfill the word of God and i leave. I will be the last person to ever bother what the tithe is used for even if they misuse it, they are accountable to God and not to me.

onye ego: On point frosbel, Myself for instance, I use to have UPS and downs when I was "devoted Tither".
sometimes I will sooooo fail in my finances that I will become angry with God.

I will say God has cheated me cos I fulfilled my own part by paying my tithes yet I lost money in business.

I began to have doubts about d book of Malachi, I did my research and discovered that tithing is a very big told by businessmen who call themselves pastors to remain in business.

I've stopped paying tithes, i still make progress in my businesses; is it d devil that blesses me now?

When i make losses now, i will seat down and try to understand where i went wrong rather then holding God responsible responsible for my failures.

Amen Bro, we are the same.

Do you know that some of these 'robbers' will ask single mothers, students and the elderly to tithe all they have even if nothing is left for food, rent and clothes.

All in the name of playing Kalu Kalu with GOD , that's why there is so much poverty in the Nigerian church, for while the pastors and their entourage are becoming richer and more powerful, the poor are getting poorer and weaker.

God's blessing is not based on TITHE but JESUS.

ezme:

You shouldn't let Jewish customs confuse you. Why stop at paying a tenth? why didn't you join Abraham in offering burnt offerings also? Keeping allowing your advance fee fraud(tithe-preaching) pastor deceive you.

Irrelevant questions!
The only mental picture of a pastor that you have is the one with a private jet hence your stand against tithes.

frosbel2:

The Church is the People not the building !!

The church is the people? yes you are right. Do you know how much that is used to run a church?. Every church activity is funded by money.

frosbel2:

I don't pay tithes, but have a wonderful career, good health and a family God has blessed me with.

Away with your LIE called the TITHE.

I give my tithe and i have a most wonderful career, good health and a blessed family.
Away with your anti-tithe lies.
I gave my tithe in church today as i ve always done by God's grace and am happy i did. I cannot be deceived by your useless teachings against tithe. I am not a pastor or a church worker and nothing concerns me how they use the money. It is God that will judge them how they used it. Giving tithe does not stop me from helping the poor. By God's grace I help the poor both in my church and in other churches, the orhanage and non christians. It is part of my life style and i do it however the spirit of God leads me.

In the West , just to show you how wicked this doctrine of demons is , Pastors encourage their sheeple to pay UP with credit cards , when they should actually be discouraging them from debt, they encourage them to go deeper into debt to fund their pet projects and exotic life styles.

Many have paid tithes with loans, overdraft etc, to satisfy the needs of a physical building and not real people.

WICKEDNESS , it's all WICKEDNESS.

You say give your old bass, shoes and clothes to the needy. And still say Tithes should be giving to the needy. If you're hungry tell people you're hungry and stop seeking for Tithes. Better still go become a Pastor and start collecting Tithes. RUBBISH.