kola oloye:


I have told you times without number that God is one.
I don't believe in 3 Gods.My faith stands on JOHN 3:16.

The Trinity does not entail three gods in one God, or three persons in one person.  Such claims by muslims and other cults are nonsensical.  There is nothing contradictory, in affirming three persons in one God (or three whos in one what).

kola oloye:

In Christianity there is something called GRACE- "Go and sin no more"which Islam had no provision for.
Do you know that 75% of Muslims that we have in the world today are going about their daily businesses
with charms in their pockets?Their total trust is not in Allah.
Won tun ma ndi tira mo ara.Won a tun maa mu hantu.

Some are still worshiping ogun,telling you that: Imale ko ni ki awa ma se oro ile.

He that wants to serve God must serve him is spirit and in truth.
I rest my case.

You are in the best position to know the difference between the darkness in Islam and the light in Jesus, having been a former Islamic teacher, but your belief or the lack of belief in the trinity does not affect your salvation, as you keep an open mind to the Word of God I believe that He will at His own time reveal these to you.

@Kola Oloye and Olaadegbu: « #128 on: Today at 01:36:09 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: kola oloye on October 29, 2010, 08:40 AM

I have told you times without number that God is one.
I don't believe in 3 Gods.My faith stands on JOHN 3:16.

The Trinity does not entail three gods in one God, or three persons in one person. Such claims by muslims and other cults are nonsensical. There is nothing contradictory, in affirming three persons in one God (or three whos in one what).[/Quote]Lol at Olaadegbu's and Kola Oloye's Antics and Semantics. The laughter is over, so the scenario is this, guys; Two architects are talking about a project. The first architect just left a master piece designed a world renowned designer. That Project was a Single Building. He now met up with the other architect, to discuss another design by another world renowned designer.

This time, on the site were three Complete Buildings, each separate and fully Complete equal building to one another every respect including in function and in form, too. The Architects began their critiquing of the two projects, between themselves; One of the architects who does not know that fully formed and functional building is a building by itself said that because the 3 buildings are on the same plots, since he did not see boundary lines, though separate families in actuality live in them; The Owner of the largest Business in town, then next building his manager and the last building his current servant. The other architect heard the speech of the servant at the park, and consider that this servant is a master in his own right and therefore he is good enough to run the Business. In reality neither The Manager nor the Servant can be the Chairman, Who is Loved and the town will not run without him.

Each project in reality, the site with 1 Building is Owned by the Chairman. The site with three Buildings is owned the 3 in the three homes. Which one of the two sites has a more fitting place and position for the chairman, if they both cost the same exact amount of Naira to acquire? Considering that the site with 3 Buildings must have spent some part of that Naira amount on the Manager's Building and the Building that the servant lives, can the Chairman's home in this 3 in 1 site be as grand as the house in the other site without any manager and servant to share in the grandeur?

These two architects is being observed by a third architect who is telling them that in term of real grandeur, the Building that singularly occupies a site is befitting a real Grandeur far more than any of the three, even combining them as one, they will be inferior still, in all that they can muster of opulence.

Now, which of the three architects is best in his analysis of the two Projects?



[Quote]Quote from: kola oloye on October 29, 2010, 08:40 AM
In Christianity there is something called GRACE- "Go and sin no more"which Islam had no provision for.[/QUote]Islam has provision for it; Two ways;
1). If you come from Kufr like you Kola and Olaadegbu, you will achieve this state of "No sin on you", when you pronounce the kalimat Shahadah tain, with your hearth and mouth, "Laa ila ha ilAllah. Muhammadanr rRasulullah (AS)". Thus your sins are wiped off, and turn into good deeds, right there and then if you are a Jew or a christian. If you are others,your sins are just wiped off.

2).If you are in Islam already, you will make Tauba to Allah, asking for forgiveness from Him. InshaAllah you will be forgiven and you will know it by the fact that the same sin that you used to commit, which you have asked for forgiveness, you will not commit it, even though no human being is there to prevent you or witness it against you. Your soul and your heart,where your conscience and faith are will gear you to remembrance of Allah's SIGHT of you.



[Quote]Do you know that 75% of Muslims that we have in the world today are going about their daily businesses
with charms in their pockets?Their total trust is not in Allah.
Won tun ma ndi tira mo ara.Won a tun maa mu hantu.

Some are still worshiping ogun,telling you that: Imale ko ni ki awa ma se oro ile.[/Quote]If the 75% is true, then you 75% munafiquun (Hypocrites) in the rank of Muslims. These Munafiquun are even worse than you plain ol "Kafiruun". But both of you and the polytheists and mutamushriquun (atheists and agnostics) will not escape Hell fire. You will fall into it, without any doubt. InshaAllah we will have 25% of the muslims, who do not worship Ogun, who do not se oro ile, who do not put charms in their pockets, who do not di tira, who do not hantu, in Paradise. There are people in Egba who are from this. Now your goose is KOOKED!



[Quote]He that wants to serve God must serve him is spirit and in truth.
I rest my case.[/Quote]And making God inherit a son is not actually serving Him, but lying and insulting Him. Now this is where a case is actually rested; mine.



[Quote]You are in the best position to know the difference between the darkness in Islam[/QUote]I believe that Kola's parents are/were muslims, and by so doing Kola thought he was a muslim, too. No. Kola you were never a muslim. Your heart never accepted One God. You have been a rebellious child, with a story similar to the child in Surah Kahf, in the time of Moses. It is Allah Who prevented you from turning your family to disbelief, the same position you are in, now. By the way, who is the wife of Yahweh that gave Him a son? If there is a process in having a son, it is taking a wife that you have conjugal relationship with. Who is that for Yahweh? Let me lead you to what you cant say; is Mary mother of Jesus the wife of Yahweh, hence Jesus is the son of Yahweh? If you are not a liar, you too Olaadegbu, you people will be man up and give a yes. Anything less is just as I have said, my thought; you both are liars and blasphemers.



[Quote]and the light in Jesus,[/Quote]Is Jesus the only light? Lets examine Abraham, the father of faith. Jews say their religion emanates from him. The christians tie themselves to him. The muslims say he was a muslim. How about Moses; The jews who are honored holder of your Christian salvation say in him alone that they see light and guidance. He, Moses killed them and lorded over them as long as he was alive. The jews rejected Jesus and your Bible recorded that they killed him, cursed him. Now who is really the light, Jesus, unless you are a liar? Heck. You are,taking God to be 3 its enough evidence.



[Quote]having been a former Islamic teacher[/Quote]Which school were you a teacher of Islam? You are lying to make yourself look good. Right? There s not way that Abeokuta Islamic institution will let you teach any child Islam, unless you had a strong iman. Kola, you never had any sign of iman in you. None at all. And if it is Obinrin that got you into Kufr,I rest my case, again.



[Quote]but your belief or the lack of belief in the trinity does not affect your salvation, as you keep an open mind to the Word of God I believe that He will at His own time reveal these to you.[/Quote[Kola is done kooking,you can put a fork on him. Shaytan Olaadegbu is talking to Shayatin Kola. But are ending in the pit; Allah confirms it, if you die in your state.[/quote]

This is how Mary conceived Jesus for your perusal and actions.
Luke 1

1Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most
   surely believed among us,

2Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

3It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

5THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

7And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.

8And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,

9According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.

10And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.

11And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

18And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

19And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

20And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

21And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.

22And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.

23And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.

24And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,

25Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.

26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

[b] 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
[/b]
39And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;

40And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

49For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

51He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.

53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

54He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;

55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

57Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.

58And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had shewed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her.

59And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.

60And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.

61And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.

62And they made signs to his father, how he would have him called.

63And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.

64And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God.

65And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea.

66And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him.

67And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

78Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

79To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

80And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

May the good Lord give you understanding.Have a lovely week.

Luke 1
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee:
      blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30  And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31  And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32  He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him
       the throne of his father David:

33  And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34  Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the
      Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the
Son of God.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month
with her,who was called barren.

37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38  And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.
      And the angel departed from her.

Does vs.37 has any meaning to you?If so,stop bothering yourself.
Just believe that JESUS IS LORD,there is no controversy.

Repent before it is too late.Forget a leader that nothing was said about.No prophesy,no nothing.
Little wonder he committed so much atrocities and at the end he ran away.

@Kola Oloye and all Christians; Luke 1 will be dissected in a minute. I will point out many inconsistencies in it. We will see that relationship with Abraham and God in the matter of Promise remained effective and was not transferred to Isaac.

We will see that Jesus was no more than an apostle of his Lord in the verse, considering that in other parts of the Bible he had said he was a servant, differentiating himself from his Lord.

We shall see that the nations of israel, according to tribes are what the christians con us to accept as "The Whole Universe". There are other matters that will become clear, especially when I present the Quran stories of the pregnancies and birth of Yahya bin Zakarriyah and Isa bin Maryam.
(AS to all the noble men). Mary was called the sister of Haruun (AS) in the Quran, and the christians have a feat. Is that not what she is called in the Luke, above? Was she already married to Joseph and she remained a "virgin" and had the freedom to travel about, even spending 3 months with "Elizabeth"?

When did God's spirit came upon her and overshadowed her? Where is the evidence? How is a human being without any physical difference from his people, the Jews or children of Israel (TYC), without having having any miracle that can be construed higher than what Moses did be now taken for God or son of God? What reason and rationale used, except pure delusion?

@Kola Oloye; « #130 on: Today at 04:02:28 PM »
[Quote]This is how Mary conceived Jesus for your perusal and actions.
Luke 1

1Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most
surely believed among us,

2Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

3It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.[/Quote[I see a set up of "Once upon a time" phrase that usually begins "storytelling". But is the storyteller Luke, or somebody else, since it is "According to Luke" that we are dealing with here?Kola, I want you to sharpen your mind, so that you will learn something here. You may never change. But the truth is being told to you. Did Luke write to most excellent Theophillus?There is no proof he did and the passage above indicates some other person wrote at best, a listener to Luke, and at worse, who knows if it was a 10 generation hearsay.[/quote]

[Quote]This is how Mary conceived Jesus for your perusal and actions.
Luke 1

1Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most
surely believed among us,

2Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

3It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.[/Quote]I see a set up of "Once upon a time" phrase that usually begins "storytelling". But is the storyteller Luke, or somebody else, since it is "According to Luke" that we are dealing with here?Kola, I want you to sharpen your mind, so that you will learn something here. You may never change. But the truth is being told to you. Did Luke write to most excellent Theophillus?There is no proof he did and the passage above indicates some other person wrote at best, a listener to Luke, and at worse, who knows if it was a 10 generation hearsay.

[Quote] 5THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

7And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.

8And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,

9According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.

10And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.[/Quote]The bold is so inconsistent that we should ask ourselves, why shall his responsibility be the exact thing that was missing, when he actually was in the temple for that very same thing? Is this God inspired or a storyteller who is tripping himself line after the line before it? We will expect that if God inspired it, and or Zacharias told a person this story, it should have an opposing line just above the other below.



[Quote] 11And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.[/Quote]There is no place in the story where it is indicated that Zacharias prayed for what the Ange is now telling him, that the prayer is "heard". But the storyteller was mindful of which side of the Altar of incense the Angel whom Zacharias alone saw.

[Quote]15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.[/Quote]Please note that the bold were qualities of Prophets, who are guardians of people/flocks to the commandments of God. It shows that even at that time there were Children of Israel who were lost sheep, to be herded back to "the Lord their God". Even drunkenness was disallowed, no alcohol or wine. Yet you could not have gone to a jewish ceremony or christian ceremony, even today with some wine or liquor or alcohol. Alcohol is now the blood of Jesus. If this were to be a sobriety test, Jesus and the christians will fail the breath analyser part. But John who was neither Jesus nor a Christian will pass with flying color.



[Quote]18And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

19And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

20And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.[/Quote]A man who by reason of old age doubted the message to him was made dumb for according to the Bible the duration of the pregnancy. What is appropriate for blaming God in the yelling "my God, my God,. . . . why has thou forsaken me"? I shouldn't such a person be made to taste the consequences of blame, if the consequence of mere doubt of an old man was to
remain dumb for 9 months?



[Quote] 21And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.[/Quote]But they were praying in the Temple! Where did he come out into?



[QUote] 22And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.

23And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.

24And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,

25[b]Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me,[/b] to take away my reproach among men.

26[b]And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,[/b]

27[b]To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph,[/b] of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.[/Quote]please note that Elisabeth was refering to the Creator in verse 25, and no one else. And she has been 6 months along in the pregnancy before Gabriel visited Virgin Mary in Nazareth in the Nation of Galilee, of the 12nations of Israel. Is Mary the wife of Joseph, because she was still a virgin? Did she reside in the same house with the man, and she still remain a virgin? Has any dowry been paid, as the customs are in legal marriages of semitic people, especially believers among them? If Mary was in the house with Joseph, imagine all the sexual energy in the air, and the fight of temptations?

[QUote]28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.[/Quote]The bold id the only thing that is fulfilled by those who say it is so, among all the other statement from the Biblical Gabriel. Everything else never materialized. This proves to be that this was a lie by the liars who put it there. Did Jesus own any throne, reigned over the house of Jacob? The jews aught to know. They thought of him as a king and a ruler so much so that they killed as they killed strong ruler Moses, King Saul, King David, and King Solomon!

[Quote]34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.[/Quote]Can anyone tell me that the above is not sex, since baby was the result of the action? In the creation of Ada or that of Eve, was there such a Ghost come upon "it", and the power of the Highest overshadowed "it", considering that such a specie, human was not in existence before? if there was no difficulty for God to turn mere mud and water to Adam and mere rib of this man, Adam, to a woman, why the coming upon thee and the power overshadowing from both Holy Ghost and Highest on poor Virgin Mary? The french have a joke about "lucky" Pierre. That was taking it and giving it. Mary's case according to the Bible is double taking.



[Quote] 36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.[/Quote]Elisabeth was described as sister of Aaron, above. Is Mary who is her cousin not also sister of Aaron? When the muslims say it, the christians laugh in jest. Well, christians, the jokes are on you.



[Quote] 37For with God nothing shall be impossible.[/Quote]So in this case the son of God is from the wife of God? Later God killed Himself, as a son of God? What the Bible writers forget is that there are some things that do not fit God, not because they are impossible, but His Majesty is Superior than these things. Examples; dying, eating, needing, tiredness, sex, having a child, having a consort, etc, all of them are acts left and created for man, including looking like one another. God is different and no traces of man in Him, and none of His in man.



[Quote] 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

39And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;[/Quote]A city of Juda, means a city in the country of Juda. And Mary left without consideration for Joseph. Do you expect a virgin wife to leave her husbandand go on a journey? What about the virginity? I am emphasizing this so that the christians realize that Mary was no wife of Joseph.

[QUote]40And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.[/Quote]Unless there was idolatry in the of Elisabeth (And there is none), she would never have addressed anyone as the Bible recorded. The Holy Ghost would never have excited the wife of a prophet (you people say he was a priest), carrying a prophet in her womb to call a servant of God, still in the womb "Lord".



[QUote] 46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

49For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

51He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.

53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

54He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;

55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.[/Quote]Who was Mary talking about in regards to His Power as Lord, then Savior, Who has the Power to do all the things, above, and them not reject the relationship with Abraham and the seed of Abraham, forever, except it is God Almighty, Who is able to do all things, while Jesus said, when he was full grown in his ministry that he is powerless, unable to do anything? We must not forget that Jesus was still days old in the womb of Mary.



[QUote] 56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.[/Quote]3 months she stayed. But she didn't go to Elisabeth until Elisabeth was 6 months along in the pregnancy. SO the Baby John should have been born while Mary was there with Elisabeth. But the Bible writers deferred the birth to later date, thinking no one will know. We in Islam know the inconsistencies.



[Quote] 57Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.

58And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had shewed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her.

59And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.[/QUte]Who else circumcises on the 8th day? Who does circumcision, other than Muslims? It is the sign of relationship between God and Abraham. If the muslims, indeed the arabs are not part of the relationship, dont we know that as humans, they would have left it by now, though not all jews are circumcised. [/quote]

Na wa oh¿ U don"t need to quote all these BIBLE chapters for us to believe u.
A LIE IS A LIE¤

[Quote]60And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.

61And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.

62And they made signs to his father, how he would have him called.

63And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.

64And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God.[/Quote]I think when the muslims said that Yahya (John) was a new name to the life of parents of John, the Chrstians have their usual joke. I guess the Joke is now the Bible.



[Quote] 65And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea.[/Quote]If they feared this much, they did not fear when the Bible said that they saw the heaven opens with the Spirit of God coming down all the way from heaven and heard the voice of God! Did anyone see a joke and a lie specifically hearing God's voice and seeing His Spirit? Earlier in the Bible, during the time of Moses, the stubborn Jews said to Moses "We are okay, if you hear God and tell us what He says, instead of Him talking to us". They knew that they will die if that happened.



[Quote] 66And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him.

67And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68[b]Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:[/b][/Quote]We see that the above is not about Jesus. If anything, it was about John, the son of "Prophet" Zacharias. You called him a priest earlier, here now we see him prophesied. Redeemed and horn of salvation were about John. The proof is in the Bible.



[Quote] 71That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;[/Quote]Were they saved from their enemies? Was there no oppression throughout his life, the lives of John and Jesus, respectively, and even crusades, spanish inquisition and holocaust not by the hand of enemies? While these were vile situations and times on any human group, or entity, I am using them to show the condition of the lack of truth from the Biblical writers.



[Quote] 72To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him [/b]without fear,[/Quote]Serving God was the singular purpose of man on earth. Jesus said "serve God". Quran in Surah Ghafir (I am almost certain; one of the Haa Miims) says that "And I did not create Jinn and Man, except to serve Me".



[Quote] 75In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

76And [b]thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77[b]To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,[/b]

78Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

79To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

80And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.[/Quote]We see here that John himself was a prophet, giving knowledge to people of salvation by it the people will be able to melt away their sins, since they are following guidance. This shows that those who hear and obey John, and died before Jesus started his prophesy were saved, received salvation, without waiting for the so called "Blood she" on the cross!

I have to say, Olaadegbu made some really powerful posts in this thread (ignoring the cartoons). 

EDIT similarly by Image123 especially on page 2; and I already stated my admiration for one of aletheia's posts.

Imoh byron:

Na wa oh¿ U don"t need to quote all these BIBLE chapters for us to believe u.
A LIE IS A LIE¤

You mean 'Walai Talai'-Na lie you lie? 
Let me blow the trumpet.An assignment was given to me saying:Go ye into the world and preach the gospel. . .
The gospel of our Lord, Jesus Christ.I want to see you in heaven.I'm not preaching religion because it is a bondage.

Kola what are you preaching?
JOHN 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son. . . .
Except a man repent and be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Don't forget that Muhammad ran away    Jesus laid down his life.
The difference is cleeeeaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

@sweetnectar,
I know your heart is hardened but I'm not moved because the hearts of the kings are in the hands of Jehovah.
Your case is like that of PAUL in NT,one day go be one day,when monkey go go market and him no go return.

Thank God you know a lot of and about Bible. Waiting to see you on a pulpit one day.Keep up the good works.

Kola you always make me laugh well i want to ask a question that i did not really understand and its about baptism of Jesus was it the same John the son of Elizabeth that baptized Jesus or another John

bashy_demy:

Kola you always make me laugh well i want to ask a question that i did not really understand and its about baptism of Jesus was it the same John the son of Elizabeth that baptized Jesus or another John

Good. It was the same John the son of Elizabeth AKA John the baptist.
I hope he didn't offend you by fulfilling his mission

^^^: Can you tell me if the Jews practice "Baptism"? And while I ignore you.Kola Oloye on inviting me to KUFR and fire of hell, the below is worthy of inquires.

@Kola Oloye; « #143 on: Today at 10:00:42 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Imoh byron on Yesterday at 10:11:43 PM
Na wa oh¿ U don"t need to quote all these BIBLE chapters for us to believe u.
A LIE IS A LIE¤
Grin
You mean 'Walai Talai'-Na lie you lie? Grin
Let me blow the trumpet.An assignment was given to me saying:[b]Go ye into the world and preach the gospel. . .
The gospel of our Lord, Jesus Christ.[/b]I want to see you in heaven.I'm not preaching religion because it is a bondage.[/QUote]Please tell me who has bigger responsibility to the "Whole Wide World", you or Jesus, who specified that his mission is to the "Children of Israel", only and no one else? Do you also know that the township of Nazareth is in the nation of Galilee, based on Luke 1 verse 26? If this is the case there were 12 Nations of the children of Israel, founded on their 12 sons of Jacob.

Is this not the world that Jesus was talking, since he did not have a single non-jew in his discipleship? How can he tell you to do the things he himself did not do?What a minute. Maybe you are right. He can tell you to do the things he himself didn't do. Like the greater miracles/things shall you do, which has not been actualized, even one time in over 2000 years? When will you grow a limb of an amputee for him , in the name of your god? Kola. I'm asking you?



[Quote]Kola what are you preaching?
JOHN 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son. . . .
Except a man repent and be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.[/QUote]You are a man Kola. From the male gender of the human specie. You are a son of parents. A brother of siblings. A nephew of uncle and aunts. A father of children. A husband of the mother of the children. How is Jesus a begotten, now? I was look back at Luke 1 verse 35, and all of a sudden I want you to experiment it with the Mrs for us, and hear what she says, afterward, about sex or no sex. Can you do that for us, after all you are both legal for each other and its for a good cause; reinforcing your belief, against the muslim's disbelief.

Disclaimer; Unless you are ready for another child, your acting it out is a danger to your wallet because you will pay through the roof, (NAira, Naira). Whats sicken about verse 35 among others, is that the Virgin Mary actually got it from 2 entities at the same time. Virgin still after it!
35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.



[Quote]Don't forget that Muhammad ran away Grin Jesus laid down his life.
The difference is cleeeeaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.[/QUote]Hijr means many things including traveler,Rocky Tract. Did Muhammad (AS) run away? Let see how he left Makka. Verse 9 of Surah Yaa Siin, was read on the lines of "Killers" in his path, pouring sand on their head as he passed in front of them to his destination. Surakah who was a slave sent to follow his tract, who later became a muslim, reported that the horse, he Surakah was riding on began to sink as they get closer, until he saw the Messenger (AS) and Abu Bakr (RA), and knew that these were true to their cause.

If Muhammad were to have ran away as you claimed, he has followed tradition of noble men; Ibrahim, Yaqub, (Jacob from your Bible), Musa and isa bin Maryam (AS jami'a).

And did Jesus laid down his life? Yelling out belies such a claim. Who laid down their lives; the sacrificial son of Ibrahim. A boy not yet 30 who was a fearless believer in the cause of his father (AS). All true prophet did (AS). Obviously, Yahya bin Zakariyyah (AS). If you said Jesus preached the message assigned to him, I will agree that the true message was delivered to those who were to receive it. And not the lies you are drunk on. He was lifted up to save him from the pursuit of his enemies.

kola oloye:

Good. It was the same John the son of Elizabeth AKA John the baptist.
I hope he didn't offend you by fulfilling his mission

and can you pls tell me how old is John when mary gave birth to Jesus?

bashy_demy:

and can you pls tell me how old is John when mary gave birth to Jesus?

John was 6 months old and don't tell me that Mary is the brother of Aaron, the brother of Moses.

OLAADEGBU:

John was 6 months old and don't tell me that Mary is the brother of Aaron, the brother of Moses.

Hey need to go watch soccer now my team is playing will respond when am back ok Man U 4life

OLAADEGBU:

John was 6 months old and don't tell me that Mary is the brother of Aaron, the brother of Moses.

Well there are few things that i could not understand here according to the story book it says Mary the mother of Jesus and Elizabeth the mother of John were sister so are you telling me the kids did not know there self? According to the Baptism of Jesus Christ there are 2 things that contradict they are as Follow

1)Seven hundred years before the birth of Jesus, the prophet Isaiah wrote how the Messiah would be "led like a lamb to the slaughter" as a sacrifice to take away our sins (Isa. 53:7). That is why, when John saw Jesus coming toward him, he pointed to Him and said to his disciples, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! He baptized Christ in the Jordan river, after which he stepped away and told his disciples to follow Jesus. John the Baptist is a different person from the apostle John, for whom the Gospel of John is named, In speaking of Jesus, John said: "I have baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the holy spirit".

2)John's first encounter with Jesus was while both of them were still in their mothers' wombs, at which time John, apparently recognizing his Saviour, leaped for joy (Luke 1:44). Much later, while John is baptizing, he refers to Jesus as "the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world", and "the Son of God" (John 1:29,36). Later still, John is thrown in prison from which he does not return alive. John's definite knowledge of Jesus as the son of God and saviour of the world is explicitly contradicted by Luke 7:18-23 in which the imprisoned John sends two of his disciples to ask Jesus, "Are you the one who is coming, or do we look for someone else?"


Pls try to read the bolds very well and answer them, since John already know about Jesus and he Baptized him why again will he send his disciples while he is in prison to go and ask if he was the one coming or they should be expecting another messiah. Since he (john) is not sure if he is the Messiah or not why will he tell the people then that here comes the lamb of the lord and baptized him.

bashy_demy:

Well there are few things that i could not understand here according to the story book it says Mary the mother of Jesus and Elizabeth the mother of John were sister so are you telling me the kids did not know there self? According to the Baptism of Jesus Christ there are 2 things that contradict they are as Follow

Before you begin to look for contradictions in the Bible sort out the misinformation in your own "holy book" that says Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Moses and Aaron, mistaken Miriam for Mary. 

bashy_demy:

1)Seven hundred years before the birth of Jesus, the prophet Isaiah wrote how the Messiah would be "led like a lamb to the slaughter" as a sacrifice to take away our sins (Isa. 53:7). That is why, when John saw Jesus coming toward him, he pointed to Him and said to his disciples, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! He baptized Christ in the Jordan river, after which he stepped away and told his disciples to follow Jesus. John the Baptist is a different person from the apostle John, for whom the Gospel of John is named, In speaking of Jesus, John said: "I have baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the holy spirit".

2)John's first encounter with Jesus was while both of them were still in their mothers' wombs, at which time John, apparently recognizing his Saviour, leaped for joy (Luke 1:44). Much later, while John is baptizing, he refers to Jesus as "the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world", and "the Son of God" (John 1:29,36). Later still, John is thrown in prison from which he does not return alive. John's definite knowledge of Jesus as the son of God and saviour of the world is explicitly contradicted by Luke 7:18-23 in which the imprisoned John sends two of his disciples to ask Jesus, "Are you the one who is coming, or do we look for someone else?"

Pls try to read the bolds very well and answer them, since John already know about Jesus and he Baptized him why again will he send his disciples while he is in prison to go and ask if he was the one coming or they should be expecting another messiah. Since he (john) is not sure if he is the Messiah or not why will he tell the people then that here comes the lamb of the lord and baptized him.

This was obviously a great test to JTB's faith as he must have thought that Jesus would come and rescue him, but Jesus rather showed JTB's disciples the evidence of His Messiahship which were the blind that see, the deaf that hear, the cripples that walk, the lepers that were cleansed, the dead raised, the gospel preached to the poor and the possessed that were delivered. 

This should tell you that:

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved -- Acts 4:12

OLAADEGBU:

Before you begin to look for contradictions in the Bible sort out the misinformation in your own "holy book" that says Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Moses and Aaron, mistaken Miriam for Mary. 

Relationship between Aaron, Elizabeth and Mary
hey are you making sense here According to the Bible Elizabeth mother of John was a descendant Aaron and also Mary and Elizabeth were cousins wish mean Mary is by chance related to Aaron. Evidence Below

According to the Gospel of Luke, Elizabeth was a descendant of Aaron the priest (Luke 1:5). She and her husband Zechariah were "righteous before God, living blamelessly" (1:6), but childless. Zechariah was visited by the angel Gabriel, who told him his wife would have a son who "will be great in the sight of the Lord" (1:15).

The pregnant Elizabeth received a visit from her relative, Mary (1:36), who was pregnant with Jesus:



Relationship Between Aaron and Moses Aaron and Moses were brothers Evidence below

In the Hebrew Bible, Aaron (pronounced /ˈærən/ or /ˈɛərən/;[1] Hebrew: אַהֲרֹן‎ Ahărōn, Arabic: هارون‎ Hārūn), sometimes called Aaron the Levite (אַהֲרֹן הַלֵּוִי), was the brother of Moses, (Exodus 6:16-20)[2] and represented the priestly functions of his tribe, becoming the first High Priest of the Israelites.

so tell me since Aaron and Moses were brother and Elizabeth was a descendant of Aaron means Elizabeth was also related to moses and also Mary and Elizabeth were cousins so meaning All of them Moses,Aaron,Elizabeth and Mary where Family one way or the other oya come up with another proof.

bashy_demy:

Relationship between Aaron, Elizabeth and Mary
hey are you making sense here According to the Bible Elizabeth mother of John was a descendant Aaron and also Mary and Elizabeth were cousins wish mean Mary is by chance related to Aaron. Evidence Below

Why move the goalpost?  The highlighted quote below is what your holy book confused you to believe.

bashy_demy:

Well there are few things that i could not understand here according to the story book it says Mary the mother of Jesus and Elizabeth the mother of John were sister so are you telling me the kids did not know there self? According to the Baptism of Jesus Christ there are 2 things that contradict they are as Follow

You said that Mary the mother of Jesus and Elizabeth the mother of John were sisters, there is a sharp difference between descendants and sisters, while Elizabeth was a Levitess and an Israelitess that does not mean that she was a sister of Aaron.  The Bible is clear on the relationship between Mary and Elizabeth, they were cousins.  Your book in an attempt to plagiarise the Bible got their facts mixed up and confused Miriam who was a sister to Aaron for Mary the mother of Jesus.

If you are to learn anything at all in the biblical story, learn the parallel between two couples who were well stricken in age, Abraham and Sarah and Zacharias and Elizabeth, Abraham and Sarah were to be the parents of Isaac, who would be the forerunner, so to speak, of the dispensation of the law, as committed to the world through the nation of Israel and not Saudi Arabia.  The other couple, Zacharias and Elisabeth were to be the parents of JTB, the forerunner of Jesus Christ and the dispensation of grace, as spread through the world by the church and not the mosque.  Yet both sets of parents were well past child-bearing age when God miraculously sent both promised sons into their respective homes.

When next you start perusing the Truth Book for "contradictions" have it at the back of your mind that the Bible is not just a historical book, it is a spiritual book of extra terrestial origins.  Read it to be wise, believe it to be saved and practise it to be holy.

@Olaadegbu: Luke 1 verse 5 was not Just that Elisabeth the wife of Zacharias was a family member of Aaron. It says "from the SISTERS of Aaron". You live in England. Shame on you if you are saying that that is not actually saying SISTER OF AARON. Then you have to blame your soul for lying to your heart, which makes your head not be able to use your eyes to read it.

Verse 36 of the same Luke 1 addressed Mary as cousin of Elisabeth. Yet, you comic head Olaadegbu is my brother because we are yorubas the group claiming that they are Omo Oduduwa. Yet just to show how ignorant you are; your sister is legal for me to marry. So is your niece. And if you have a young aunt, I can marry here. Mine is also the same for you, while we still remain as brothers from Oduduwa, who is even less than Adam (AS) the father of the entire human race. Is Maryam not from this group?Is Aaron not from it? Is Jesus (Lol), your god not from it?

@Sweetnecta just leave those Ignorant alone they are running from truth every comment i made up there i give you an Evidence from your Bible so now are you telling me bible is a liar well we all know that Luke is liar so not new to me.

Sweetnecta:

@Olaadegbu: Luke 1 verse 5 was not Just that Elisabeth the wife of Zacharias was a family member of Aaron. It says "from the SISTERS of Aaron". You live in England. Shame on you if you are saying that that is not actually saying SISTER OF AARON. Then you have to blame your soul for lying to your heart, which makes your head not be able to use your eyes to read it.

Verse 36 of the same Luke 1 addressed Mary as cousin of Elisabeth. Yet, you comic head Olaadegbu is my brother because we are yorubas the group claiming that they are Omo Oduduwa. Yet just to show how ignorant you are; your sister is legal for me to marry. So is your niece. And if you have a young aunt, I can marry here. Mine is also the same for you, while we still remain as brothers from Oduduwa, who is even less than Adam (AS) the father of the entire human race. Is Maryam not from this group?Is Aaron not from it? Is Jesus (Lol), your god not from it?

bashy_demy:

@Sweetnecta just leave those Ignorant alone they are running from truth every comment i made up there i give you an Evidence from your Bible so now are you telling me bible is a liar well we all know that Luke is liar so not new to me.

Aaron, Moses and Miriam were siblings of the same parents making them brothers and sister.  Mary who was of the Davidic lineage and Elizabeth of the Aaronic lineage were relatives.  When the Bible says that Elizabeth was of the daughters of Aaron (not sister of Aaron as you mentioned) it means that she was of the Levitess.  What you refuse to admit is the fact that your qur'an got Miriam and Mary mixed up, your book also got the duration of the discipline meted out to Zacharias completely wrong by saying that he was made dumb for three days instead of the whole duration of the pregnancy of JTB which was 9 months (Surah 3:41), Gideon confused with Saul (Judges 7, 1 Sam 17  Surah. 2:249) amongst many other historical errors in the qur'an and you come here to look for contradictions in the Bible.

If you want to hold on to what the qur'an teaches you have to leave the Bible and don't let the truth confuse you but if you want to enlighten your mind with the truth then be ready to have an open mind.

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[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 04:35:02 PM
@Olaadegbu: Luke 1 verse 5 was not Just that Elisabeth the wife of Zacharias was a family member of Aaron. It says "from the SISTERS of Aaron". You live in England. Shame on you if you are saying that that is not actually saying SISTER OF AARON. Then you have to blame your soul for lying to your heart, which makes your head not be able to use your eyes to read it.

Verse 36 of the same Luke 1 addressed Mary as cousin of Elisabeth. Yet, you comic head Olaadegbu is my brother because we are yorubas the group claiming that they are Omo Oduduwa. Yet just to show how ignorant you are; your sister is legal for me to marry. So is your niece. And if you have a young aunt, I can marry here. Mine is also the same for you, while we still remain as brothers from Oduduwa, who is even less than Adam (AS) the father of the entire human race. Is Maryam not from this group?Is Aaron not from it? Is Jesus (Lol), your god not from it?

Quote from: bashy_demy on Yesterday at 08:09:34 PM
@Sweetnecta just leave those Ignorant alone they are running from truth every comment i made up there i give you an Evidence from your Bible so now are you telling me bible is a liar well we all know that Luke is liar so not new to me.

Aaron, Moses and Miriam were siblings of the same parents making them brothers and sister. Mary who was of the Davidic lineage and Elizabeth of the Aaronic lineage were relatives. When the Bible says that Elizabeth was of the daughters of Aaron (not sister of Aaron as you mentioned) it means that she was of the Levitess. What you refuse to admit is the fact that you qur'an got Miriam and Mary mixed up, your book also got the duration of discipline meted out to Zacharias completely wrong by saying that he was made dumb for three days instead of the duration of the pregnancy of JTB which was 9 months (Surah 3:41), Gideon confused with Saul (Judges 7, 1 Sam 17 Surah. 2:249) amongst many other historical errors and you come here to look for contradictions in the Bible.

If you want to hold on to what the qur'an teaches you have to leave the Bible and don't let the truth confuse you but if you want to enlighten your mind with the truth then be ready to have an open mind.[/Quote]Your Bible called Elizabeth "from the daughters of Aaron", and The Virgin Mary, "cousin of Elisabeth", my Quran calls Mary "sister of Aaron". You said my Quran is wrong and your Bible is right. What yardstick did you use for it, when by your name, I assume that you are a a yoruba man and me being one, too calls you my brother because we are both from the Yoruba lineage of Oduduwa, hence Omo Oduduwa, which make you and I, brothers.

For your lack of honesty, I do not know how to classify you? Unless I wrongfully say you are neither a yoruba nor human, I am forced to accept you as a generic brother. But I will not marry anyone from your side of the family tree, because your way be reflect on my descendant down the line, and who wants that.

Here we are, all people are children of Adam and Eve. The Arabs and Children of Jacob call each other cousins. Nigerian Anthem in the days said "In brotherhood we stand", all black people call one another brothers, so I really don't know which end of your body you are using to think here?

What truth is Olaadegbu thinks he is telling us? There is no Miriam mentioned in the Quran, so his stating of mixing up is from his own mind and those who think like him. When Mary was being addressed as sister of Aaron, she already had delivered baby Jesus, who came to the aid of his mother, defending her by speaking in the cradle, telling them who he is as a prophet, his role and duties with his mother and his people, in general. No Miriam name was mentioned, oh confused man Olaadegbu, in your christian deceit.

Quran says Zakariyyah (AS) was not able to speak for three days, but in those three days, he was able to praise God much in the morning time (Salatuh SUbh) and and late afternoon time (Salatul Asr), by saying Alhamdulillah, Shukrulillah (Am grateful to Allah, Am thankful to Allah). The miracles were many in those days by not being able to speak in at all except these two time in each day. You see that Quran has no source from the Bible? The source of Quran is Solely from Allah, while the Bible is from paul, jill, mary and angela, among others, all of them being the so called "Bible Writers". Maybe you need to read the condition of how the Angel appeared to Zakariyyah(AS), in the Quran.

He prayed, being an old man, the Quran said he shouted in secret. I know you must have heard a 90 year old man shouted a lout before? It is always very weak, similar to those who said they were shouting in their sleep because of freight, yet the mate sleep in the same bed can hear the shout because no noise is coming out.

When the angel told Zakariyyah about the child to be born, he asked if he will take a young wife for this, or he himself and his wife will become younger, maybe because he knew as a prophet nothing is impossible for God to accomplish or because Prophet Job was made to become young from about age 88 to around 30 after Allah ended his suffering. Malaika Jibril (AS) receiving answer from Allah on the spot that Zakariyyah and his wife will be exactly as they were when the the events of pregnancy shall take place. These are miracles in fold of miracles, unlike unexplainable and hard to follow and definitely unacceptable projections that we have in the Bible.

OLAADEGBU:

Aaron, Moses and Miriam were siblings of the same parents making them brothers and sister. Mary who was of the Davidic lineage and Elizabeth of the Aaronic lineage were relatives. When the Bible says that Elizabeth was of the daughters of Aaron (not sister of Aaron as you mentioned) it means that she was of the Levitess. What you refuse to admit is the fact that you qur'an got Miriam and Mary mixed up,

well according what you type up there i will use it against you here since you dont wanna believe what was written in bible i have given you lots of evidence and where to read about them in your bible but you still dont wanna believe it, Well since Aaron,Moses and Miriam where of the same parents and Elizabeth one of the daughter's of Aaron meaning Elizabeth is also a relative of Miriam and Moses YES or NO. though Mary is of Davidic but she and Elizabeth are cousin can you tell me how they both become cousins? and are cousins not relatives