Abuzola:

See me see trouble, so if i honour mr olabowale it means i worship him. You must be sick

political power and legitimacy rested not only in taxes and armies, but also in the preceptions and beliefs of men. The stories told about emperors were part of the mystification which elevated emperors and the political spheres above everyday life. Stories circulated. They were the currency of the fiscal system. Their truth or untruth is only a secondary problem, the parallelism betweens the cults of emperor and Christ is striking: the following terms were used frequently of both: god(theos), Son of god, god made manifest, lord(kurios), lord of the whole world, lord's day(Sebaste-pagan-Kuriake-Christian), saviour of the world, epiphany,imperator, sacred writings. In Latin there was a distinction between deus and divus, Strictly, deus was used for the immortal gods and divus for gods who had been men. In Greek, both were called theos and the Greek equivilant of divi filius was theou huios, son of god,  The unity of a political system rests not only in shared institutions, taxes and military defences, but in shared symbols, in the minds of men. Emperor cults, and all that they involved, provided the context in which inhabitants of towns spread for hundreds of miles throughout the empire could celebrate their membership of a single political order and thier own place in it.

Latin makes a distinction between deus, an eternal god like jupiter, and a divus, a diefied human like Julius Caesar. But Greek tranlates both terms with the same word theos. Latin titles like dei filius("Son of God" and divus filius ("Son of the Divine One" appear, therefore, alike in Greek as theou yios or theou hyios ("Son of God".

Christians must have understood, then, that to proclaim Jesus as Son of God was deliberately denying Caesar of his highest title and that to announce Jesus as Lord and Saviour was calculated treason. What divinity and what divine incarnation runs this world? Is that ruling divinity one of force and violence or of justice and love?

Abuzola:

@noetic- you should be able to answer my question, if i honour sir olabowale did i worship him ?¿ Please bring your proof that the people worship jesus and not incogently using honour because we all do honour

fellis:

@noetic, I am not being dishonest. Check my very first post on this thread for the place where I asked for verses showing Jesus explaining the trinity.

And you did not show me any part of the Bible where Jesus told christians to worship him. You only quoted one verse which say that he was worshipped. The word, 'Worship' has different meanings, noetic. One of them is the worship people carry out of God, when they render religious reverence and homage to Him. The other means to feel an adoring reverence or regard for a person or thing. And for all I know, the leper in that verses could have been carrying out the second type of worship, since Jesus Christ was a good person, deserving of regard. So where was Jesus Christ recorded to have demanded the type of worship which is paid to a diety? And please explain John 5:30 in the Bible.

fellis:

@noetic,
no. I am not satisfied, but thanks for the reply. You still haven't shown me where Jesus made worship of himself mandatory or explained the trinity, all you did was show me a verse that taught how to carry out baptism.
You also didn't show me any part of the Bible that prooved that the worship he received from the leper was the worship a diety receives, so I might as well continue to regard that worship as only reverence or regard untill you do so. John 5:30.

fellis:

@noetic,
no. I am not satisfied, but thanks for the reply. You still haven't shown me where Jesus made worship of himself mandatory or explained the trinity, all you did was show me a verse that taught how to carry out baptism.

You also didn't show me any part of the Bible that prooved that the worship he received from the leper was the worship a diety receives, so I might as well continue to regard that worship as only reverence or regard untill you do so. John 5:30.

Abuzola:

Lmao. Noetic noetic, kindly show us how he worship jesus, if i show my emir extreme homage and stern honour it means i have worship him as my God in diety  ? noetic did this make sense at all ? The leper did exactly what i illustrated above.  Christians nawa o

fellis:

@noetic,
There is no verse in the Bible where Jesus asked to be worshipped or explained the trinity is there? From yesterday till now, no answer.

But there are verses in which he said he wasn't God.
Alimat, if you want to know who Jesus Christ is according to the Bible, read John 20:17 and Mark 10:18.---->definitely not God, the creator of the heavens and the earth. Or read John 8:28 ; he was a prophet.

muhsin:

Hello all,

Like the discussion.
And my compliment to Noetic. Had never seen the guy respond to questions like in this thread.

Lets continue. . .
I am wholly unclear with your statement that "7. He is NOT a prophet neither is He a messenger." If really he is neither of the two why did he in a myriad verses claim he's sent? For example in this one: "Do you think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the Teachings of the Prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make the teachings come true." (Mathew, 5:17)

Need an explanation before I continue. Thanks

noetic2:

a. Jesus did not come to do away with the laws of the prophets. All His life He fulfilled the law that we might be exempt from the punishment of disobeying the law. . .that explains why we plead for forgiveness in the name of Jesus.

noetic2:

b. The verse above does not in any way suggest that Jesus is a prophet or messenger. why not go study ur koran?

noetic2:

Jesus is God.

grace5:

YOU ARE PLAYING WITH YOUR SOUL,JESUS CHRIST IS THE GRACE OF GOD
ACCEPT THE THE FREE SALVATION ,THERE IS COMING JUDGEMENT UPON THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIVE IN HIS SACRIFICIAL BLOOD.
HIS IS THE DOOR TO HEAVEN NO OTHER WAY.

PLEASE THAT IS THE TRUTH.

muhsin:

You should better say no more here; you seem to know nothing or next to nothing about your belief of Jesus. I am only interested in discussing with those who know something. But you. . .

grace5:

GOD USE THE FOOLISH THING ,WEAK THING TO CONFUSE THE WISE,NO QUARREL I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MY OWN GOSPEL PUT OF JESUS.
HE WILL PROVE HIMSELF TO YOU.I WILL NOT BE SUPRISE I YOU ARE SAVE SOON.THE TRUTH IS KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR.
I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU THAT YOU MIGHT SEE THE LIGHT JESUS CHRIST

alimat 2:

@ Grace

U are nt funny i cant help but laff at ur level of confusion

JESUS IS THE GRACE OF GOD!!!!!! WHAT A CONTRARY

SO jesus is not God again but Grace a God.


Grace u can respond to dis





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muhsin:

Can I know what are these laws?
As far as I know the laws say we should worship ONE and ONLY GOD.

What about these verses:

"And this is life eternal, that they might know You the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." John 17:3

"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."(Mathew, 15:24).

Has he ever preached that?

Who is the God of Moses, Noah, Jacob and other prophets?

Thanks

grace5:

yes i am brainwashed for JESUS CHRIST,good for me who will be with him in eternity.

remain blessed

noetic2:

can u please stop irritating me?

noetic2:

Go and read the old testament to know the laws.

noetic2:

do u know the meaning of ELOHIM?