Seun:

Correction: I didn't say it was "not spiritual". I said it was not supernatural. It was as spiritual as any actual religious experience.

naijadeyhia:


And what does that translate to?

Let me paraphrase

When speaking known language the test subjects engaged their frontal lobes which showed human effort but when speaking in tongues the frontal lobe was not in use which shows it was not by their effort.

Those tests were carried out on Buddhists and others and showed that they engaged their frontal lobes so what makes speaking in tongues different from them all and clearly showing no human participation in the brain?

Can you draw your conclussion?

akintom:


This is another evidence of my alleged difficulties that most theists on NL, have in relating intelligently with science, and how to show above average intelligence when they dare comment on scientific works.

To make intelligent, coherent, comprehensible and rational SPEECH, you will NORMALLY require CONSCIOUS mental efforts.

But to utter GIBBERISH and nonsensical SOUND, you CERTAINLY don't require conscious mental efforts.

These are what the study revealed.

A delusional will effortlessly make nonsensical sounds and gibberish, simply because the folk has lost ability to consciously coordinate his thoughts.

Omudia11:
That's like asking why Niel Armstrong and his team are the only Americans to have landed on the moon. Is anyone stopping other people from doing their own research?

I haven't heard of any non- christian who speaks in tongues. Do not think its the same as making incantations. No one is stopping anyone else from making their own research.

Per the bolded, Yes it shows that it is spiritual until proven otherwise.

[quote author=tintingz post=51486818]Other scientists have done thier research and they criticized it but it is only Dr Andrew that supported the speaking in tongue thing.

Pagans, Shamans speak in tongue(spiritual language).

It is not spiritual as anybody can speak in tongue(fake it), I can speak in tongue and claim it is heavenly language or message. How will you I'm faking it?

Seun:
When I gave my life to Christ at Foursquare Gospel Church, I was in JSS 1. After we said the sinner's prayer, our Sunday School teacher tried to get us baptised in the Holy Spirit. I was waiting for the Holy Spirit to descend on me and make me speak in tongues, but I didn't feel anything. Most of the girls started speaking in tongues, but I got nothing. I earnestly and sincerely ask God for it, but nothing happened.

When I got to Ife and started attending ECU, the fellowship my parents attended, we had to take a membership class and my teacher and his best friend also tried to get me baptised in the Holy Spirit to no avail. I remember them taking me to the sports center and praying with me and urging me to speak. I patiently waited for the Holy Spirit to descend on me but nothing happened. Then they had to explain that speaking in tongues is by faith. God supplies the word, and we speak them out, they said. To me it sounded as if they were encouraging me to fake it, and suggesting that everyone fakes it, but I just couldn't accept that. I wanted to experience it genuinely, like the apostles did in the bible.

So one day, as I was praying very intensely in my room, I felt a subtle urge to start saying some nonsense words that came to my mind, and I did. And once I started, I found that new words came to my mind and I could continue speaking them. That's how I started speaking in tongues. In my fellowship, it was common for the pastors to ask everyone to start speaking in tongues during worship; now I could join in! But it was also a bit of a disappointment because the experience was emotional, not supernatural. The Holy Spirit didn't take over my body.

When I was re-watching Sinach's video to transcribe her tongues, I actually felt the urge to speak in tongues again. I think listening to the beautiful way she sang the tongues triggered something in me. I bet I can still speak in tongues today if I choose to succumb to the feeling.

urheme:





Ha!!!.... this is it.



so you actually spoke in tongues before.......i never did and i never desired it.... despite all the powers hitting me......there are other special spiritual gift that i want from God......that which will help people irrespective of their faith.....HEALING...... i need this gift like air......the power of God has healed me so i believe It can heal anything.....including a broken heart

not joking oo

tintingz:
Other scientists have done thier research and they criticized it but it is only Dr Andrew that supported the speaking in tongue thing.

Pagans, Shamans speak in tongue(spiritual language).

It is not spiritual as anybody can speak in tongue(fake it), I can speak in tongue and claim it is heavenly language or message. How will you know I'm faking it?

naijadeyhia:


cc seun

Meanwhile Urheme you were formerly an Atheist correct?

urheme:




there is actually a real tongue..... i can tell the difference...

the real one come and does not go empty..... it must treat something.

there is also the regular tongue that people become use to...but however.....the real tongue also float itself in to the mouth of regular tongueor.......if you are sensitive to power, you will know when the pastor just spoke a real tongue.....so you key into it.

urheme:




very correct.... an abusive one for that matter

Seun:
When I gave my life to Christ at Foursquare Gospel Church, I was in JSS 1. After we said the sinner's prayer, our Sunday School teacher tried to get us baptised in the Holy Spirit. I was waiting for the Holy Spirit to descend on me and make me speak in tongues, but I didn't feel anything. Most of the girls started speaking in tongues, but I got nothing. I earnestly and sincerely ask God for it, but nothing happened.

When I got to Ife and started attending ECU, the fellowship my parents attended, we had to take a membership class and my teacher and his best friend also tried to get me baptised in the Holy Spirit to no avail. I remember them taking me to the sports center and praying with me and urging me to speak. I patiently waited for the Holy Spirit to descend on me but nothing happened. Then they had to explain that speaking in tongues is by faith. God supplies the word, and we speak them out, they said. To me it sounded as if they were encouraging me to fake it, and suggesting that everyone fakes it, but I just couldn't accept that. I wanted to experience it genuinely, like the apostles did in the bible.

So one day, as I was praying very intensely in my room, I felt a subtle urge to start saying some nonsense words that came to my mind, and I did. And once I started, I found that new words came to my mind and I could continue speaking them. That's how I started speaking in tongues. In my fellowship, it was common for the pastors to ask everyone to start speaking in tongues during worship; now I could join in! But it was also a bit of a disappointment because the experience was emotional, not supernatural. The Holy Spirit didn't take over my body.

When I was re-watching Sinach's video to transcribe her tongues, I actually felt the urge to speak in tongues again. I think listening to the beautiful way she sang the tongues triggered something in me. I bet I can still speak in tongues today if I choose to succumb to the feeling.

naijadeyhia:
I was in Church of God Mission festac Branch under Pastor Frank Uzomefune and Pastor Liberty and it was a Holy Ghost service and before then we had been given teachings about DESIRING the holy spirit and i desired him like never before.

All those who desired Him were asked to come out and i came out with the crowd and everyone was being prayed for and laid hands on and i was not laid hands on and FYI nobody was taught how to speak in tongues before then but i felt a surge of what i would describe as ELECTRICITY flowing through my entire body and i did not know when my mouth opened and words i did not know began to flow out. I did not will myself to speak. The whole body and mouth was not mine to control as i laid on the floor for over 2hrs just speaking in tongues with electricity flowing through my whole body for the entire time. I did not feel tired, i did not stop at any time, my voice volume did not diminish. I could hear myself speaking but could not stop myself.

It was only when Pastor Uzomefune laid hands on me again and asked the Holy spirit to release me that i stopped but for like 5mins after i stopped i still had the electrical sensation all over me and then i realised i was on the floor and all i could say repeatedly was LORD I LOVE YOU on and on.

After that day i could control it and its not triggered via emotion. Its triggered via Relationship and Love.

The feeling you described as "electricity" is best described as a tingling sensation. People often feel it when they listen to really moving music or watch powerful scenes in movies or when they orgasm or when something really scares them. It's associated with intense emotional states. You reacted to you in the way that you did probably because you interpreted it as a sign that the Holy Spirit was literally touching you all over.

What was your pastor doing during the 2 hours that you were lying on the floor, speaking in tongues? Weren't you disturbing the service? Also, why did the pastor have to direct the Holy Spirit to release you before you stopped? Didn't the Holy Spirit know that it was time to stop?

urheme:



what an experience.......
but i read that tongue does not help the people......because you actually spoke mysteries....and it does not edify God...1cor 14 vs 1-6

tintingz:
Other scientists have done thier research and they criticized it but it is only Dr Andrew that supported the speaking in tongue thing.

Pagans, Shamans speak in tongue(spiritual language).

It is not spiritual as anybody can speak in tongue(fake it), I can speak in tongue and claim it is heavenly language or message. How will you know I'm faking it?

Ranchhoddas:
I did not mention hypnotism. Not everyone is at war with you so you can stop reading meanings into my post.

naijadeyhia:


I bless God for your life. So how do you view the atheists we have today on Nairaland? Whats your opinion about them especially since you were once like them

urheme:



mere man cannot convince them.....no amount of Bible preaching and teaching can convince them as it did not convince me either........A manifestation of the power of God will convince them.......the Power of God in 2king 5: 14 and 15 blasted the unbelief off Honourable Naaman.

i pray that they experience such power and breakthrough in there lives

jonbellion:
what kind of no true Scotsman fallacy is this
Anybody that left Christianity was never a christian??
Well I do know I've given my life to Christ and was in the choir when I was still a christian
Ummm I beg your pardon@thie second sentence

Seun:
naijadeyhia, thanks for sharing your experience.

The feeling you described as "electricity" is best described as a tingling sensation[i][/i]. People often feel it when they listen to really moving music or watch powerful scenes in movies or when they orgasm or when something really scares them. It's associated with intense emotional states. You reacted to it in the way that you did probably because you interpreted it as a sign that the Holy Spirit was literally touching you all over.

What was your pastor doing during the 2 hours that you were lying on the floor, speaking in tongues? Weren't you disturbing the service? Also, why did the pastor have to direct the Holy Spirit to release you before you stopped? Didn't the Holy Spirit know that it was time to stop?

Omudia11:
Lol... I'm not at war with anyone. So can you explain what happened that led to your fall?

Omudia11:
You atheists do same. Anyone who left atheism to you was never an atheist. Moreover you really were never a christian cuz true Christians see proof of God. Christians can only backslide. They can never become atheists.

Yes! Since atheism deals only on scientific facts I would like to know how the hypnotism occurred.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't know exactly. I felt something like a mild electric jolt and my legs weakened. Na so I come stagger fall for ground like drunkard. I got up, dusted myself and went home expecting a miracle...

Ranchhoddas:
I don't know exactly. I felt something like a mild electric jolt and my legs weakened. Na so I come stagger fall for ground like drunkard. I got up, dusted myself and went home expecting a miracle...

Seun:
When I gave my life to Christ at Foursquare Gospel Church, I was in JSS 1. After we said the sinner's prayer, our Sunday School teacher tried to get us baptised in the Holy Spirit. I was waiting for the Holy Spirit to descend on me and make me speak in tongues, but I didn't feel anything. Most of the girls started speaking in tongues, but I got nothing. I earnestly and sincerely ask God for it, but nothing happened.

When I got to Ife and started attending ECU, the fellowship my parents attended, we had to take a membership class and my teacher and his best friend also tried to get me baptised in the Holy Spirit to no avail. I remember them taking me to the sports center and praying with me and urging me to speak. I patiently waited for the Holy Spirit to descend on me but nothing happened. Then they had to explain that speaking in tongues is by faith. God supplies the word, and we speak them out, they said. To me it sounded as if they were encouraging me to fake it, and suggesting that everyone fakes it, but I just couldn't accept that. I wanted to experience it genuinely, like the apostles did in the bible.

So one day, as I was praying very intensely in my room, I felt a subtle urge to start saying some nonsense words that came to my mind, and I did. And once I started, I found that new words came to my mind and I could continue speaking them. That's how I started speaking in tongues. In my fellowship, it was common for the pastors to ask everyone to start speaking in tongues during worship; now I could join in! But it was also a bit of a disappointment because the experience was emotional, not supernatural. The Holy Spirit didn't take over my body.

When I was re-watching Sinach's video to transcribe her tongues, I actually felt the urge to speak in tongues again. I think listening to the beautiful way she sang the tongues triggered something in me. I bet I can still speak in tongues today if I choose to succumb to the feeling.

jizzus:

Firstly they fined tuned me with verses from the Bible........then they set the atmosphere with some nice songs(yes those gospel songs are nice)then everyone else started speaking it........motivation talks of "its in Ur belly just speak it out" more melodious music........adrenaline rush and the the fact that everyone else was saying something I muttered some words and voila you've been filled with the holy ghost





In conclusion :
How to get filled with the holy ghost
1. Tell them stories of others who have received the holy spirit.

2. Fill the atmosphere with sonorous and melodious tunes(very necessary )

3. Give them the "its in your belly" push














jizzus

Omudia11:
Thank you very much for that reply. But may I ask another question... Where you exposed to any form of electrical appliance or wires hence the shock?

Omudia11:
Wow! I didn't even know this. Thanks for the enlightenment.

jonbellion:
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