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TravelRe: Nigerian Travels To The Us In The Tyre Of A Plane! by 4Play(m): 10:36pm On Apr 19, 2010
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=433167.msg5920341#msg5920341 date=1271712889]I refuse to believe this nansense. angry[/quote]You don't believe? That's how FL Gators got into the US.
PoliticsRe: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by 4Play(m): 10:33pm On Apr 19, 2010
By the same absurd logic, national security affects the economy. If the likes of Gusau helped restore law and order to the country, the economy will be better. Therefore, Sanusi will be at liberty to tell off Gusau for not doing his job properly.
TravelRe: Nigerian Travels To The Us In The Tyre Of A Plane! by 4Play(m): 10:26pm On Apr 19, 2010
So because he died, we're supposed to feel sorry? I have nominated him for the Darwin Award. grin

In honor of Charles Darwin, the Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool, by accidentally removing themselves from it. By necessity, the award is generally bestowed posthumously.
http://www.darwinawards.com/
TravelRe: Nigerian Travels To The Us In The Tyre Of A Plane! by 4Play(m): 10:18pm On Apr 19, 2010
FL Gators:
rotfl shocked shocked grin
Shut up, is this not how how you came to America?
TravelRe: Nigerian Travels To The Us In The Tyre Of A Plane! by 4Play(m): 10:17pm On Apr 19, 2010
The racket at the airport

The question being asked by people is, how possible is it that somebody would gain access to the tarmac undetected, considering the tight security in the airport? Our source explained that such illegal movement is being coordinated by a syndicate at the airport, which also works with airlines’ workers.

It was gathered that people who need such services pay as much as N800,000. They tutored on how to survive in the aircraft compartment. For one, it was learnt that they are given blankets and winter clothes with which they would keep warn while the plane is in flight across the Atlantic.

In the country of destination, the illegal immigrants are received by agents in the syndicate, who smuggle them into the
country.


Our source blamed the level of corruption at the airport on poor working condition, alleging that some of staff are paid
N30, 000 monthly.
Foreign AffairsRe: The Financial Meltdown Wasn’t A Mistake — It Was A Con by 4Play(m): 10:05pm On Apr 19, 2010
Greed and incompetence does not amount to fraud. There are people who are baying for blood but it's hard to establish criminal culpability on the part of bankers.

The recent SEC action against Goldman Sachs seems to me a red herring and a publicity stunt. Time will prove GS right.
PoliticsRe: British Election : Who Is Nigerian's Choice? by 4Play(m): 9:55pm On Apr 19, 2010
I tend to lean conservative, so the Tories will be a natural choice for me. The country is running huge deficits and racking up debts. If the next Govt fails to demonstrate serious commitment to tackle the deficit, the market will take fright leading to rising bond yields and major economic crisis. Of the 3 parties, the Tories seem most committed to tackling the deficit but even their policy seems half-hearted.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by 4Play(m): 9:23pm On Apr 19, 2010
chamotex:
WELCOME TO THE EMIRATES REMIX

ALANTA STYLE  grin grin grin grin ;


[flash=500,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEwozoSNCc&hl=en_GB&fs=1[/flash]
Those 2 kids are Wenger's next prodigies. The Fat One is the new goalkeeper.
PoliticsRe: CBN Intervention Damaging Economy, Says Gusau by 4Play(m): 9:15pm On Apr 19, 2010
What is this plonker doing commenting on Central Bank policy? That will be like Gen Jones, US National Security Adviser, postulating publicly about Ben Bernanke. I suppose given how much these generals have looted, he is probably a business mogul with major interests in some of these banks .
PoliticsRe: Bbc, Olusosun And Nigerian Middle Class Hypocrisy by 4Play(m): 12:02am On Apr 19, 2010
If the Government embarked upon 5 to 10 year plans of delivering roads across the country through direct emergency public works doing away with the parasitic contract system, awarding contracts only for design not delivery, it could employ tens of thousands of jobless restless young men, put money in their pockets and boost demand for local goods and services and boost the countries infrastructure,
We've tried this before. It's a shame Nigerians were not taught history extensively in school. What do you think happened in the 70s? We had a policy of major state investment in public infrastructure that led to huge debts and ultimately, led us into the hands of the IMF.

There are millions of Nigerians unemployed. Oil revenues alone cannot finance the level of infrastructural investment that will increase productivity in the economy and consequently, provide jobs for the millions of unemployed. You are going to have to partner with the private sector as state planning has been proven to be a monumental failure.
PoliticsRe: Bbc, Olusosun And Nigerian Middle Class Hypocrisy by 4Play(m): 8:06pm On Apr 18, 2010
As the nation's power generation capacity continues to dwindle, an expert in the industry has revealed that only 40 per cent of Nigeria or less has access to power supply. A further breakdown of the figure shows that out of 140 million Nigerians, going by the last census exercise, only about 56 million are believed to have access to power supply.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200805051625.html
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by 4Play(m): 7:10pm On Apr 18, 2010
It's nice to laugh at Arsenal now but in 3 or 4 years time, Arsenal will be on a stronger financial footing than any of the Big 4. Wenger's key aim is to keep them in the top 4 until the debt is reduced to more manageable levels.
PoliticsNigerian Woman Found Guilty Of Selling Uk Passports by 4Play(op): 1:01pm On Apr 18, 2010
A civil servant who sold passports and travel documents to illegal immigrants has been jailed for six years.
On at least 20 occasions mother-of-four Bridget Eworth, 39, granted 13 Nigerians the right to remain in the UK when they were not entitled to stay here.

It was also found that a £1,000 cheque had been paid into her bank account from one of the immigrants.

A judge at Croydon Crown Court said it was clear that Eworth, of Thornton Heath, South London, had been operating her scam as a business.
It was the third conviction in a year for similar offences of a member of staff at Lunar House, the immigration centre in Croydon.
Angus Bunyan, prosecuting, said Eworth was a case worker in the application processing team.
'She was in a position of trust and responsibility. Among her duties were the granting, referring or rejecting of applications to remain in this country,' he said.
She had the power to grant the applications and she would stamp the passport or immigration documents.
'In short, she had the power to decide whether someone could or could not stay in the country,' said Mr Bunyan.
'Between May 2004, and February 2007 she systematically and dishonestly granted extended or indefinite leave to remain in this country to Nigerian nationals who were not entitled to such leave.'
Eworth, who used her single name, Idigbe, had worked in the department since 1990.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1266569/Civil-servant-years-selling-passports-13-Nigerian-illegal-immigrants.html#ixzz0lS72qUE4
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Agrees To Lend Total Of $360 Million To World Bank, IMF! by 4Play(op): 6:04am On Apr 17, 2010
This is 1989:
The fate of General Babangida's political program is inextricably linked to the performance of his economic program. And in the short term, Western diplomats and Nigerian officials believe that further strains from the austerity measures seem certain.

Less than a decade ago the picture was much different: the oil boom in the 1970's temporarily gave Nigeria the illusion of limitless wealth and opportunity. Nigeria was producing more than 2 million barrels of oil a day and earning $26 billion in 1980, much of it from sales to the United States.

But with the steep drop in world crude oil prices, Nigeria went from being black Africa's most conspicuous consumer to its biggest debtor. It now owes about $30 billion, with more than a third of that in short-term loans that the Government has been unable to pay on time.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/04/world/economic-riots-are-spreading-in-nigeria.html?pagewanted=1
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Agrees To Lend Total Of $360 Million To World Bank, IMF! by 4Play(op): 6:01am On Apr 17, 2010
Update 11 years later:

Perhaps the most important promise made by the new military leaders was to reopen stalled talks with the International Monetary Fund on rescheduling Nigeria's unmanageable foreign debt, now estimated to be $22 billion to $25 billion. Half of all Nigeria's annual oil revenues ($12.4 billion in 1984), which account for 95% of its total export earnings, are believed to be sucked up by interest payments on the debt. Moreover, as the world price for crude oil has declined over the past four years, Nigeria's revenues have been cut in half. Buhari had been seeking an IMF loan of $2.5 billion to $3.5 billion to help deal with the growing economic crisis, but he had refused to accept the international agency's demands that Nigeria first devalue its currency, the naira.
[url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,959779-1,00.html[/url]

I loved this bit:
In 1983 alone, according to Oil Minister Tam David-West, $1 billion in petroleum was secretly diverted from state oil terminals to foreign tankers, with Nigerian businessmen and politicians taking the profits. Some reports say $1 million a day was skimmed from the public treasury. Transport Minister Dikko reportedly amassed a $1 billion fortune, much of it outside the country.
PoliticsNigeria Agrees To Lend Total Of $360 Million To World Bank, IMF! by 4Play(op): 5:01am On Apr 17, 2010
Relax . . . it's an article from the 70s when Nigeria was being touted as potential superpower.

Nigeria Agrees to Lend Total of $360 Million To World Bank, IMF

The Wall Street Journal, 128 words
Dec 24, 1974

WASHINGTON-The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, in separate transactions, completed arrangements to borrow the equivalent of $360 million from Nigeria.
[url]http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/djreprints/access/70960730.html?dids=70960730:70960730&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&type=historic&date=Dec+24,+1974&author=&pub=Wall+Street+Journal&desc=Nigeria+Agrees+to+Lend+Total+of+$360+Million+To+World+Bank,+IMF&pqatl=google[/url]
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Women Condemn Ahmed Sani Ex-zamfara Gov's Marriage To Minor, A 13-year by 4Play(m): 10:08pm On Apr 16, 2010
Dis Guy:
Thank Goodness AT LAST (after several weeks) somebody came out to condemn this rubbish!!!

I AM STILL WONDERING WHY ARENT THE SENATORS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? WHY ISNT IT MAKING HEADLINE NEWS IN NIGERIA EVEN ait IS NOT SAYING MUCH?

Does it mean its legal to marry underage girls in nigeriahuh Not a single senator represenative had a go at him some even went to the party shocked

heard bisi olatilo covered the grand event even appeared in ovation magazine tongue

international paedophilia nigerian style the guy should be on the interpol watch list!!
13 is the age of consent in the North so it is legal. You can question the morality of what he's done or the age threshold set by law but it's not illegal.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by 4Play(m): 8:52pm On Apr 16, 2010
dayokanu:
Rijkaard has a CL under 10yrs of coaching, wenGAY has been a coach for close to 3 decades, and hasnt won ANY european trophy not even Inter-toto
Rijkaard managed a team with players like Ronaldinho, Messi, Xavi, Etoo and Puyol. Wenger has never had such quality at his disposal, as much as Arsenal fans exaggerate the quality of their players.
Christianity EtcRe: Stop The Persecution Of The Pope! by 4Play(m): 8:48pm On Apr 16, 2010
Rastamann:
If people prosecuted Jesus Christ when he was here on earth, who is the pope wey dem no go prosecute. Well, make dem remember the biblical quote "touch not my annointed and do my prophet no harm" and "do no condemn so that you will not be condemned."
But you have to agree that the Pope and many of the clergy have been incredibly inept. It's not exclusively a Catholic problem as all of organised religion seems more focused on projecting a positive public image to keep the faithful happy and money flowing. However, the church's scale, history and unique claims for itself should mean that it should be setting an example if it is to retain any modicum of credibility. Obviously, taking this ineptitude to scream criminal conspiracy and call for prosecution is obviously often the work of bigots masquerading as concerned citizens but the moral culpability of much of the church hierarchy in failing to deal fairly with the abuse is without doubt.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by 4Play(m): 8:39pm On Apr 16, 2010
[quote author=A-40 link=topic=400313.msg5904885#msg5904885 date=1271446447]I say they fire the wigga and get Rijkaard! He has been left behind like a redundant student[/quote]How is Rijkaard better than Wenger?
PoliticsRe: Can Nigerians Pay Their Electricity Bill by 4Play(m): 8:36pm On Apr 16, 2010
Electricity supply to residential consumers has to be subsidised as the average Nigerian cannot afford it. However, the price for industrial users can be left to the market to determine without subsidy.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by 4Play(m): 8:27pm On Apr 16, 2010
In my opinion, Wenger has one season left - he should NOT be offered another contract till he wins again at this club. Failure to do so will be to continue in an endless cycle of 'rebuilding'. In my opinion, Wenger has one season left - he should NOT be offered another contract till he wins again at this club. Failure to do so will be to continue in an endless cycle of 'rebuilding'. Wenger's project has failed abysmally.
It's obvious someone has hijacked Debosky's NL id. This is definitely not Debosky, he has no iota of wisdom.  grin
Christianity EtcRe: Stop The Persecution Of The Pope! by 4Play(m): 8:13pm On Apr 16, 2010
Pastor AIO:
I never said that 1.1 billion people be charged with pedophilia.  Let's not get moronic about this.  Those guilty of it should be charged of it. and those institutions guilty of the coverup should be charged likewise.
I see you have tried to back away from your rabid bigotry with a little bit of sophistry.
The pope, the head of this paedophilic organisation, was aware of it's activities and conspired in the cover up.  Again if it was any other organisation it would be disbanded and all it's members charged with their crimes.  But this is the Roman Catholic Church.
If you suggest all members should be charged, your rather laughable attempt to backtrack speaks volumes.

Let's move on to your nice little 'copy and paste' of an opinion piece. I think it's normal on this forum for the vacuous to resort to copy and paste:

The article refers to a secret edict, so secret that it was published in the year of its promulgation: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/churchdocs/EpistulaEnglish.htm. This must be the only case in human  history where a criminal conspiracy is published by the co-conspirators for all to peruse and comment on! This 2001 edict, unearthed by the BBC Panorama akin to Mungo Park's 'discovery' of River Niger, is supposed to be the smoking gun.

Let's digress from the hilarious fact that details of this ''concealment'' had been made available to the public by the perpetrators. The point of the document is how the church deals with cases of solicitations during confessions using canon law. Here is Fr Doyle, who was quoted in the piece, analysing the document:
According to the document, accusers and witnesses are bound by the secrecy obligationduring and after the process but certainly not prior to the initiation of the process. There is nobasis to assume that the Holy See envisioned this process to be a substitute for any secular legalprocess, criminal or civil. It is also incorrect to assume, as some have unfortunately done, thatthese two Vatican documents are proof of a conspiracy to hide sexually abusive priests or toprevent the disclosure of sexual crimes committed by clerics to secular authorities. Thedocuments were written in a style and within an ecclesiastical context common for that pre-conciliar age. Both are legal-canonical documents written in highly technical language. TheEnglish translation of Crimen sollicitationis, though basically accurate, is also strained andawkward which can lend itself to misunderstanding
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GIKEpaeTmpgJ:www.richardsipe.com/Doyle/Commentary_on_Crimen_Solicitationis_04-1-08.pdf+http://www.richardsipe.com/Doyle/Commentary_on_Crimen_Solicitationis_04-1-08.pdf&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

One can argue, and I wholeheartedly agree, that the Pope should have made it explicitly clear in his instructions that emphasis must be placed on helping abuse victims but it's mind-bogglingly idiotic to claim that such failure amounts to a criminal conspiracy.
PoliticsRe: Is This Nigeria? I Was Moved To Tears By These Pictures by 4Play(m): 11:23pm On Apr 15, 2010
Just watching the documentary on IPlayer. Not too bad after all.  grin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s3bmx/Welcome_to_Lagos_Episode_1/
PoliticsRe: Bbc2 Welcome To Lagos! by 4Play(m): 10:59pm On Apr 15, 2010
EloSela:
@4Play

Well if you go on twitter and Digital spy most of the white Brits who watched the program  are praising the Nigerians because of the program showed them hard at work and pursuing their dreams. The Nigerians on twitter on the other hand are complaining because Lekki and VI weren't shown.

In my opinion there is no point in showing the rich Nigerians in Lekki and Vi when they are the minority as that does not represent Lagos.
Brits praising resourceful swarthy people, no doubt while quietly retiring into the night with their sense of innate superiority reinforced, is besides the point and is a fairly regular past time. Cue all those documentary programmes on the Masai and other African Bush people in Southern Africa. The fascination and praise can be compared to the same sort evoked whilst watching wildlife programmes.

You will agree with me that Lekki/VI represents an opposite end of the scale to the slums shown by the BBC. Neither is truly representative of Lagos. The problem comes when the BBC insists on solely focusing, with an almost religious fervour, on a particular picture of Lagos which reinforces stereotypes about Africa, stereotypes which are often divorced from reality.
PoliticsRe: 71% Of Nigerian Muslims Desire Sharia Law Implemented All Over Nigeria by 4Play(m): 10:47pm On Apr 15, 2010
Scroll down to page 19 of the file, it says that 70% of Christians in Nigeria would like the Bible to be the law of the land. The irony of the hysteria of this thread is remarkable.
PoliticsRe: Bbc2 Welcome To Lagos! by 4Play(m): 10:36pm On Apr 15, 2010
EloSela:
It wasn't that bad was it?

Too often these types of people are ignored by the Nigerian media who only like to focus on the super rich or celebrities. I think it is good that the BBC focused on these types because not only do they make up the majority of Lagosians, they are also the most honest and hard working diligent people in the city. Unlike the Super rich who are most times crooks or people who have attained the wealth through dubious means or by mistreating others.
I'm not a big fan of the bash the Western media campaign but my cynical side makes me feel there is a certain ghoulish delight many Brits have in showing Nigeria in a negative light. You talked about the Nigerian media always showing the positive but this BBC documentary doesn't redress this because its audience is a mainly British audience who already have the worst impressions, often comical, of how Nigeria is.
PoliticsRe: Critics Call For The Pope To Be Arrested by 4Play(m): 7:58pm On Apr 15, 2010
eldee:
Exactly what I'm saying, these facts are in the papers already.
Me listing them will only lead to you trying to counter these facts and one long forum trial where we are the lawyers, witnesses and judges.

Now these people have come out with Richard Dawkins to go the whole nine yards, the question here is can the Pope be tried??
Which facts? I've just read Dawkins's article in the Guardian titled,''The Pope Should Stand Trial''. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/13/pope-prosecution-dawkins

He mentions the Pope's stint as Archbishop in Munich. Remember that the claim here is that the Pope signed off to a decision to allow a paedophile priest work in a church,whilst undergoing therapy, where he had access to children. The priest went on to abuse. The problem here is that the decision to assign the priest to a parish where he eventually abused kids happened a whopping 6 months after the Pope left Munich.

The seconds case he mentions is an American priest in Oakland. Here, the Pope considered a request to defrock the priest in the mid-80s,years after the priest had been prosecuted and convicted. The Pope's 'criminal' conduct here was basing his decision, which eventually was to defrock the priest, on things such as whether defrocking the priest was good for the church's image. Dawkins executes an audacious act of mendacity in his article by suggesting the matter was covered up despite the fact that the matter was already subject to a criminal trial. A rather sad case of bigotry masquerading as concern for children.
PoliticsRe: Critics Call For The Pope To Be Arrested by 4Play(m): 7:16pm On Apr 15, 2010
eldee:
That's between Richard Dawkins and the CPS.
They have come out to say they've got evidence, the validity of that however is for the CPS to check.
That's part of the trial process that I hope will take place.

Now those comments I made on this thread were against the believers in the myth of papal infallibility.
I've said it many times that he's innocent until proven guilty . . . but to say he is/should be immune is the B.S I'm against.
You hope a 'trial process' will take place on the basis of what particular facts? It's almost as if you are saying that there is a case to answer because Richard Dawkins says so. Dawkins has a book and speaking tours to promote and benefits financially from publicity stunts. What facts does he possess regarding the Pope that the parents of the abused and prosecutors do not possess?
Christianity EtcRe: Stop The Persecution Of The Pope! by 4Play(m): 7:09pm On Apr 15, 2010
Pastor AIO:
The pope, the head of this paedophilic organisation, was aware of it's activities and conspired in the cover up.  Again if it was any other organisation it would be disbanded and all it's members charged with their crimes.  But this is the Roman Catholic Church.
A little more logic and less bigotry would help here. How do you propose to prosecute 1.1 bn people for pedophilia? Perhaps, you will be able to enlighten us on the mechanism for such a trial.

You state that the Pope was aware of these abuses but conspired to cover it up, can you enlighten us on one specific example of this.

another observation has come to my attention.  I've noticed that certain psychological profiles/types are drawn to certain professions.  Ie.  Many gays are drawn to the arts, like dancers, or fashion designers.  etc

and Many paedophiles seem drawn to catholicism.  

Or is it the other way round.  what is the connections between certain professions and psychology types.
Your conjectures are quite sophomoric. It's a bit commonsensical to state that a craddle-robber will be drawn to any profession in which he can enjoy privileged access to children, e.g male teachers and other male child care workers face disproportionate charges of child sexual abuse compared to the general male population but it will take a leap of logic to claim that this means there is something fundamentally wrong with these professions.

Is there evidence that incidents of paedophilia is more common amongst Catholic clergy that the general male populations, never mind men working in professions with regular access to children?
PoliticsRe: Critics Call For The Pope To Be Arrested by 4Play(m): 6:50pm On Apr 15, 2010
[quote author=omo~fat link=topic=428850.msg5897258#msg5897258 date=1271341707]@4 Play - You debate in bad faith. The pope himself has apologized in general for the abuses suffered.[/quote]Stop being disingenuous. My question addresses the topic of the thread which is the suggestion that the Pope's actions warrant criminal prosecution. The Pope's apology for Irish priests' abuse can in no way be construed as implying criminal culpability on his part for concealment.

That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid, a press trial.
I'm not going to come here and say what I can't prove, let's leave this to the lawyers.

You putting me on the witness stand is obviously an easy way for anyone to label me anti-catholic.
That sounds superficially sensible but you made these comments:
So you're proud to admit that 'Saint Peter's successor' committed a crime against humanity and is only escaping from flaws in the law??
Wow!!! I'm apalled . . . WWJD?? The charges have not been proven, hence the need for a trial
Surely, if there needs to be a criminal trial, you should be able to state the facts which justify a trial as the mere existence of charges do not in of themselves justify stating that there needs to be a trial.

Every major public leader is always the object of some charges,e.g Obama is supposed to have forged his educational qualifications to get into Harvard and engineered earthquakes in Haiti, Bush/Cheney plotted the 9-11 attacks and the Clintons murdered a key witness in the Whitewater scandal. If someone makes haughty declarations that these charges ''need'' to be aired in a criminal trial of the accused, you would at least expect the person to able to lay out the facts which give rise to such 'need' for a trial, otherwise, everyone accused of heinous crimes would be hauled before the courts.
PoliticsRe: Critics Call For The Pope To Be Arrested by 4Play(m): 7:18pm On Apr 14, 2010
The Pope should be prosecuted for concealing paedophilia? Can someone lay out simply a summary, please no copy and paste, of a specific case where the Pope concealed child abuse?

All the innuendo is smoke and mirrors without stating the particular facts which give rise to a criminal prosecution of the Pope.

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