₦airaland Forum

genieluv:
Holly i don't think there are indigenous hausas in Gombe either. They have no villages, ancestral lands, districts or LGA which they dominate in Gombe, they r only found in the towns as settlers.

I thought they were found in Dukku Local government.

TayserMahiri:
There are similar, though rare occurrences of the same in Kenya as highlighted

I think that tension is universal.

ednited:
I think corruption is low under the leadership of Buhari. I really admire him

There is still corruption in Nigeria under Buhari as under GEJ. The only difference is that more money is recovered due to the new corruption policies especially regarding whistle blowers getting 5% of the stake or something like that. I think people are more fearful to steal, but they still do it nonetheless.

genieluv:
yaaah, me too, i don't agree with Kanuris being 3/4 of Borno state @9jakool.
Holly I think Kanuris should even be around 55-60% of Borno state cos even in Borno north n central, there are huge populations of Shuwa arabs. Although since the kanuris control Maiduguri (the largest city, administrative n economic capital of the state). It has given them an extremely huge advantage.

Agreed, Kanuri's population is at most is around 65%

Nowenuse:
Don't mind Ishalbash. This is the problem we have in the north and the reason why northern Nigeria will continue to be divided.
It's just a matter of time till you will start seeing very strong agitations from middlebelt youths.

Although i may not blame his so much cos he is from Jigawa ( a hausa dominated state) and is so used to hausas. If not, the average Kanuri man from Borno that i know of will never tell you that there are hausa indigenes in Borno state. Never.

Imagine someone saying Hausas are indigenous to Adamawa, Taraba, Gombe, Plateau, Borno e.t.c

I know, just because you are born there, doesn't give you the right to indigineship because that's not your ancestral land. Yobe state is the buffer between Hausa groups in Jigawa and Bauchi and Kanuri in Borno and Yobe, that's why I was questioning the thought of Hausas being "native" to Yobe.
The only state outside the Northwest that Hausa are native to is parts of Gombe and Bauchi states.

obaaderemi:
Is there a connection between the Woodabes and the Bororos?

Woodabes are a type of Bororo. Bororo are just the nomadic/semi-nomadic Fulani. Torobe Fulani are the Fulanis that settled in towns and villages especially in Hausaland.

Isahalbash:
I knw personally as someone who has relatives from borno that they r hausas indigene of borno though they r odas who r mainly not from there.


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Bomo State is quite heteroe, geneous. The Kanuri is the dominant ethnic group aand accounts for about threequarters of the popust lation of the state. The Kanuris inhabit Abadam, Mobbar, Gubio, Guzamala, Kukawa, Nganzai, er Monguno, Marte, Ngala, KalaBalga, Dikwa, Bama, Konduga, Mafa, Kaga, Magumeri, Damboa and o, Maiduguri LGAs. Other ethnic groups are Baburd Bura, Shuwa, Marghi, Fulani, Hausa, Gamergu, or Kanakuru, Chibok, Ngoshe, Guduf, Mandara, Tera oand several other smaller groups. Babur Bura are found in Biu, Hawul, KwayaKusar, Bayo and Shani LGAs. The Marghis have their homes in Askira/Uba in and parts of Gwoza LGAs. The Mandara of Gwoza ie LGA is made up of several ethnic subgroups.
The Chibok, another minority group, inhabit the newly as created Chibok LGA. The Shuwas form the dominant group and inhabit Mafa, rural Jere, Marte, Monguno, Dikwa, Ngala and KalaBalge LGAs and also form a significant minority in Bama and Konduga LGAs. The Hausas are mainly in Askira and Maiduguri. Nomadic herdsmen of varied origin are classified as Fulani. They are found in small 30 numbers in all the LGAs in the state
Languages: Thirty languages could be considered indigenous languages of the state. Kanuri is the dominant language. The languages of the original inhabitants such as the Gamergu and Wula are nearly extinct due to “kanurization.” Conscious or unconscious “kanurization” is still in progress. A dialect of Arabic is spoken by the Shuwa Arabs. The Marghis of Damboa have lost their language and now speak only Kanuri. Hausa and Fulfulde have the majority of their speakers outside the state. Others, like the Marghi and Mandara languages, are spoken by groups with cultural links with Cameroun.
Culture and Arts: Arabic culture and arts have influenced, and in some cases, replaced the culture and arts of the inhabitants. Islam is the religion of most of the inhabitants of the state. Islamic laws, customs and dress are pervasive and in most cases have supplanted native laws, customs, beliefs and dress.

Nice explanation.
ok. if you say so, what are the names of Hausa towns in Borno?

Isahalbash:
Likewise hausas/ igbos who r indigenes of Lagos since they dominate some places according to ur definition...

Ok, by "native" especially in the Nigerian context, I mean being indigene. Let's just differentiate between indegene and native.

Isahalbash:
I knw all dat daz y I never claimed to be an indigene of Lagos in d first place and you don't need to dominate a local govt to be a native of dat state.





If am to go by d actual definition of " indigenous," then many tribes in Nigeria are not indigenes of d states/ places they dominated today since most of Dem migrated from somewhere nd settled in where they r today.




We Have Hausas who r native of borno just d way we have kanuris as natives of Nasarawa state respectively.

So by your definition, there are Igbos who are native to Kano?

genieluv:
Yaaah, holly this was a colonial problem. The British colonialists in a desire for administrative convenience decided to classify all Nigeria into 3 major ethnic groups. Hausa, yoruba n Igbo. The minority groups were all expected to fall under one of the classifications.
>>> This led to the absolute domination & control of minority groups by majorities, not until independence when democracy n creation of states started giving we minority groups a voice
Unfortunately, this old system had already wrought some irreversible damages to some minority groups, which may never be recovered.

Yes,
Even the states isn't completely accurate like in Kaduna state when minority groups are under the domination of Hausa. Even though Kaduna state is supposed to be half and half, in the history of governors since civilian rule, the Hausa/Fulani have ruled a total of 4 times and a minority from Southern Kaduna has only been in office one time. That's why I support some form of federalism like Ethiopia that will remove minority groups from the domination of majority ones. The only minorities that will be grouped with majority groups are minority groups who are historically linked, have the same interest and would rather join the majority group. In my vision, Edo affiliated groups will be group together; groups that associate with Kwararafa in another; other minorities who are similar like the Kaje, Tyap, and other groups will be in another region; the Ijaw, Kanuri, Efik-Ibibio groups would also get a region of their own. It does not necessary have to be like this, but something similar to this nature. This form of regionalism would give each region some form of autonomy similarly to European countries like Italy, Spain, Germany, France, UK, etc.

Take for example before the unification of Italy, there were many ethnic groups in Italy that have various culture and languages. A Veneto speaking from Venice will not understand a Sicilian speaking person from Palermo and neither would understand the German dialect spoken in Sud Tyrol, because the three cultures and languages are very different. A common lingua franca, the Italian language was adopted to booster a national identity and unify the country. The Italian language was actually based on the Florentine dialect of the Toscan language. Even with this national identity, there are regionalism that are created to give a sense of autonomy to the various historically different ethnic groups that make up Italy. The Sicilians, Sardinians, Lingurian, Lombards, etc have their own region govern by regional presidents. Italy which doesn't have close to the diversity and langauges of Nigeria is broken into 20 regions while Nigeria with far greater diversity was broken down by the British into 3 regions which are not representing. The fact that there are Yorubas and other groups that were never under the Sokoto caliphate or even linked historically in the North does not make sense, the fact that there are middle belts groups in the Northwest dominated by Hausa does not make sense as well. When the British carved up Nigeria, they weren't interested in representing the will of the people, otherwise they won't have take over and fought the local populations who didn't want their rule. If the European colonists weren't interested in representing the will or interest if the people, the Akan will be in the same country, the Hausa wouldn't have been split accross 2 countries, The Yorubas would have been in the same country, there won't even have been colonialism to begin with.

Isahalbash:
Nop, you r wrong too even in Borno a non Hausa state, we have indigenous hausas. They hausas mayb in minority in those states but they r indigenes... I just understood why most Hausas in plateau state r NT gvn indigene letter they rather obtained it in Bauchi.

We have majority Hausas in - Kano, Jigawa, Sokoto, Kaduna( you might disagree, but hausas r majority here oda tribes r minorities), Zamfara, Katsina, Bauchi and maybe Kebbi( nt to sure here)... Minority in Borno, gombe, yobe, adamawa, Niger, Nasarawa, plateau, Taraba.


If Hausas r 50% in Kaduna nd kebbi states respectively, in a state dat has multiple ethnic groups- And d oda 50% is divided amongst d Jabba, kataf, Fulani, Gwari etc. Someone should do d calculation for me and tell me which is d majority tribe in such states...

Can you give the local government areas where Hausa dominate in Borno?
Bro, Hausa aren't native to Borno. Just because you are born there doesn't mean you are an indigine of the land. Just like if you were born in Lagos doesnot mean Igbos or Hausas are native to Lagos?

genieluv:
yah, Islam has destroyed the culture.

Not the Woodabe Fulanis, you should check them out. Do you know in Woodabe culture, the men wear makeup like the women? The men perform a special dance during the anual gerowol festival in which the women freely choose their husband. The wifes also have the right to divorce their husband and they get to keep the dowry afterwards. Woodabes uphold a very traditional Fulani nomadic culture.

TayserMahiri:
So they are that many. Does the indigene vs settler phenomenon cause some strained relationships?

Yes! There are some tensions. Take for example, many Hausa have settled in indigine(minority groups) towns and cities which has created tension in the past. In many instances, like during the Jos riots, the conflicts often take on a religious dimension because some ethnic groups are predominantly muslim and others are predominantly christians, and some have more religious diversity.

Another form of tension that often takes place in the rural area between farmers who are the indigene of the land and Fulani herdsmen who are nomadic pastoralists. Many of the conflicts can be attributed to land/grazing rights. Some of the tension arose because the animals of the Fulanis often graze and temper near or over the farmer's field. This toxic mix leads to violence in some instances.

ednited:
Then how come ours become better?

Better in quality of trains was what he was talking about, not in terms of scale.
The Nigeria's train goes across the country, the train he was talking about was the Addis light rail. So the scale or size is different, however I think the government still spent a lot of money, a large sum probably going to corrupt officials.

ednited:
HOW THO

Nigeria's rail project goes across the country. The light rail in Ethiopia that he was refrencng was Addis.

Hati13:
Thanks

my pleasure wenedem!

TayserMahiri:
So Hausa happen to spread across several states. I read they are like 24 million in Nigeria alone.

There are probably around 30 million or more in Nigeria. Even with this there is over 180 million people in Nigeria, so there are other large ethnic groups. Hausa are traders so they travel in Nigeria as well as across West Africa to trade. The Hausa language spread as a trade language. They form the majority or the largest ethnic groups in some states, those states is where they are native.

There is a phenomenon that exist in many places in Nigeria, called indigene vs settler. In plateau state for instance, Hausas aren't native and in fact the few that settled in places like Jos are a small minority, however the Hausa language is widely spoken as a second or third language even though the state itself doesn't have native Hausa people and they are a minority.

fanficgirl:
I meant the amala here in the US is black lol.

What's the difference between Nigeria's and America's?

fanficgirl:
The amala here is black but you are correct. No food I'm not coming.

That's just impossible. I've never seen a naija party without food. How are you going to have a wedding and there be no food?
Amala is fine just saying.

fanficgirl:
I second this

There is no wedding like naija.

Hati13:
Beautiful; especially the clothing.

The men's clothing is known as agbada, which is the big jacket/tunic worn over the buba (the shirt) and with the sokoto(trouser) on the bottom. Women also wear buba on top (the shirt) and tie the iro (wrapper) on the bottom. The piece of clothing placed on the women's shoulder is known as ipele (sash). The hat won by men is known as fila(hat) with many variants of the hat like the abeti aja, tinko, gobi etc. There are a lot of clothing styles, these are just the few. In weddings the relatives of the husband wear similar wear/patterns (aso ebi) and the wife's relatives have wear their own style/patterns.

Those clothing up there actually have history that goes back over a millennium ago. Centuries ago during the Oyo empire, the agbada was worn by royalty, the nobility or by commoners on special occasions. The name of the fabric used to weave the clothing is called aso oke meaning top attire. Aso oke is a very old pure cotton fabric that is made from spun cotton threads that are died and weaved on a loom. In most societies, the women usually do the weaving, however in Yoruba culture, the men traditionally weave aso oke.

Isahalbash:
The most important part... D big cow meat and plenty rice, amala, fufu and eba. Any party Wey food node involve I node go even if Na my wedding

How could I forget the food lol.
Iyan, jollof, fish...

Muafrika2:
42 tribes, not languages. Most tribes have several sub tribes which are languages in their own right.

If I use ethnologue's classification, then there are 68 languages.

TayserMahiri:
Do Hausa's live in that Bauchi state?

Yes, but they are not they are not the majority. Bauchi is made up of dozens of ethnic groups and none is a majority, so all the ethnic groups are essentially minorities in Bauchi.

TayserMahiri:
Makes sense now. If there was a group large enough into the millions they would have already swallowed those smaller ones. I also dont find the white parties extraordinary but they are picturesque

Actually, Hausa has become the common lingua franca.

Isahalbash:
Nah Yoruba party sweet pass I swear

Of course!

The carrying of the bride
https://omgvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/yoruba-couple.jpg

The yams

https://mwnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Lobola.jpg

The attire

https://static.omgvoice.com/images/2016/03/03072242/Blessing-and-Fawaz_BBNWonderland-Love-Story_Abuja-Nigerian-Wedding-2016_BellaNaija-and-Baileys-Eevent_FAB_15_Eng-149.jpg

https://loveweddingsng.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/LoveweddingsNG-Traditional-Wedding-Morenike-and-Dayo91.png

And don't forget the traditional musicians
[img]https://ajalayemi.files./2014/02/yoruba-people-culture.jpg[/img]

TayserMahiri:
You described Naija so well, I loved it. You guys definitely have arguably the best preserved cultures in Africa. And am quite shocked one state could have so many languages. How big is each ethnic group then in Bauchi? We have some culture but its mostly preserved by nomadic communities or the Swahili. Other tribes generally try to look traditional but its nothing much except some few stuff. However, you shouldnt have said you dont care about white parties cos its western influence. Whatever you're typing on now is western influence.

There are many states that are diverse like Bauch in Nigeria. Bauchi is mostly comprised of mostly Afro-Asiatic(Chadic) speaking groups like Warji, Gera, Hausa, Geruma, Bole etc. along the southern border you have the Niger-Congo groups like Jarawa, Saya, etc . The larger ethnic groups have around 100,000 to 500,000 people. The smallest ethnic groups can have as low as 5,000 people.
White parties aren't that extraordinary to me, don't get me wrong they are fine. That's just my own personal opinion.

TayserMahiri:
Traditional parties I should try one but I know I would never fit in.
I love your white parties, we also have plenty of them

I don't care for the white parties that much honestly, it's just western influence. You should go to a traditional Nigerian wedding one day, you will witness so much culture and get stuffed till your heart can no longer take it plus you get as much takeaway food as possible. For Nigerian weddings, it's very proper to slaughter cows for food. You get to pick the cows at the markets. Traditional weddings are usually done in the family/parent's family home and it's usually outside. There is also the court/mosque/church weddings in addition as well as the closing reception afterparty.

The marriage rites are ancient and deeply rooted in culture. That's probably why you consider kneeling or prostrating primitive, which is not at all. When the first European explorers visited Nigeria, they had to adhere to the rules. In diversity, culture and history, Nigeria does not fall short even a little bit. It's very dense in culture and languages, so everywhere you look you are going to find something unique or different from the masquerades to the centuries old festivals to the traditional clothing, after all Nigeria is the most ethnically/linguistically diverse country in Africa and third most in the world. Kenya has 42 languages in Kenya by official account or 68 according to ethnologue. In comparison, the state of Bauchi has around 60 languages alone and there are 36 states in Nigeria. Every culture has their own cultural practices and that extends to marriage rites.

NairobiWalker:
Nairobi is a planned city. Slums take up 6% of the total land while good housing takes the rest. Nigerian cities seem all effd up with slums taking up as high as 90% of the total area. See Majengo slum below that your friends keep talking about and compare it with 'normal' housing in Ibadan and Abeokuta. No difference. The only difference is 90% of Ibadan looks like that while only 6% of Nairobi looks like that.

First photo Majengo
Second photo Ibadan

That picture of Ibadan looks better than Majengo honestly speaking.
If you look closely at that building, you can see that it has a relatively sound structural foundation. That house is two storey tall meaning that whoever built it how many decades ago was financially well of relatively speaking. In Ibadan, houses that are very old are built and rented out by wealthy traders or farmers who are the landowners. Many of the old houses come into disrepair and mismanagement due to decades of neglect, the original landlord dying, and the decline in agriculture following oil. Even with the very poor condition that house is in, I can closely analyze the structural/architectural components.

Architectural style is likely of 18th-20th century Nigerian modern colonial. That house in that particular picture is connected to the electric grid. It has a balcony in the base and top levels. The front of the house is supported by four concrete columns. The balcony is closed off by an intricately designed closure. The windows are wooden like many in Ibadan although there are many old houses with glass windows lined with wooden frames. The windows of the house has what looks like a carved top wooden frame or awning. The roof is tin roof which in the day carried a prestige as a sign of wealth. The roofing sheets have become corrugated over the years. Even the corrugated roofing sheets are placed in a more organized manner than that of Majengo.

Also, Majengo is more crowded when compared Ibadan. Slums often result because poor people aren't able to compete in the property markets of a city so people would rather build makeshift houses on very small pieces of land. When you say Narobi is 6% slum, you also have to consider that the same source says 60% of the population live in that 6%. Why is this? The answer is land ownership. Rich/Wealthier people can afford to own more land, dirt poor people can't afford land so they are pushed to a very extreme limit. Since you compared the whole of Ibadan as slum to Majengo slum, I'll take you up on that. the population density figures for Majengo is a whopping 55,323 per square km which is no where near the population density of Ibadan at just around 985 per square km. I also heard of the high rate of HIV and prostitution in Majengo.

See, if I was a dirt poor slum dweller, I won't start off by buying a piece of land and then building a two storey tall house with columns and balcony and even have the time to incorporate artistic features into my house. If I were a dirt poor slum dweller, I would focus on obtaining a very small piece of "illegal" land to set up an improvised shelter made from recycled materials that would simply protect me from the elements.
Majengo is a shantytown within a city, Ibadan is a city with a lot of degraded infrastructure. Both have their problems, but their problems are on different scales.

ednited:
That Morocco man visited many African countries after they joined us. Have you noticed. They are just trying to bring the unity sense. And they did the ECOWAS thing to let west Africans think these ppl are really in the pan-african mood. That's how i view it

I'm not really buying that, I think they are just doing it for economic and political reasons which is fine I guess.

Hati13:
As an Amhara, I've mixed feelings. Amhara provinces were very large, but there wasn't a united Amhara region. The Amhara provinces acted differently.

As an Agew, I prefer the current or the one before 1940s. Agews were very victimized by Amharas and Tigrays. Agews were the original inhabitants of Eritrea, northern and central Ethiopia alongside Afars, but most of there vast Agew Mider(area) was thaken by the two during the past many centuries. Actually, large percentage of Amharas and Tigrays background is Agew. Now they have there own zones, but not region.

I'm a great support for either greater Amhara(re-establishment of Bete Amhara) or greater Agew Mider(Amhara and Tigray regions under Agew Mider).

Overall, I prefer the old provinces, but with some improvements.

If I asked, have you listened Ethiopian Teddy Afro new album? If not, please listen it. It's great. It was even ranked 1st in the Billboard world albums chart for May 20, 2017. It sold 600,000 copies in just one week of it's release.

Do Agew get discriminated against in Ethiopia. A long time ago, I heard about the Agew living near lake Tana and how they have hippo in their diet. Someone was saying how other people use derogatory terms to refer to them. I can't really remember the details.

Are there parts/towns of Ethiopia that are mostly Agew in population.

Do you feel Agew have the original aspects of Amhara-Tigrayan cultures that are absent or have changed in modern-day Tigrays and Amhara? If yes, can you give me examples.

Also, no I haven't listened to his album. I'll try to listen to some of his songs.

ednited:
Guys, do you agree of how Morocco joined African Union? They have been chasing the tails of Europe having the chance to join us but when they were left alone. . .they came right away. Then we accepted them! Like as we forget how we were their last choice! I am really pissed!!!! We were supposed to be like, 'you have to give us a year to decide this' to Morocco.

We were suppossed to remind them African Union is not a transit or a joke house! It is the powerhouse of the whole Africa!!

I think it's a fine that they are joining and they left due to that Western Sahara saga, so maybe they are finally realizing something. The only thing I don't understand why they want to join ECOWAS. Sure they've economic agreements with Nigeria like the gas pipeline that will connect Nigeria to Morrocco. Other than that why do they want to join ECOWAS?