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genieluv:
Heeey buddy, are you sure you are not misleading TayserMahiri & muafrika2?

I am from Benue state by origin (the Tiv homeland) and most Tivs accept and believe that they are of Bantu origins. yaah they do.
**** We the Idomas, Igedes, Yalas, Jukuns, Etulos, Kutebs, Alagos, Agatus and all the other ethnic groups neighbouring the Tivs in Benue, Taraba, Nasarawa and Cross river states are all from Kwararafa Kingdom by origin except the Tivs.

I studied all these histories about my people in the university.

The Tivs came with a strong wave of migration from Congo area, (i think during the fall of the Kwararafa kingdom), and that was how they came to displace most of us the Kwararafan tribes, coupled with their high birth rates and expansionist lifestyles, they even cut off the Etulo people from Idomas and have almost culturally absorbed them today.

The Tivs are Bantu expansionist just like their other Bantu cousins who expanded and occupied almost the whole Africa, absorbing anyone on their way, that is why you see them fighting the Jukuns and other neighbouring ethnic groups in the middlebelt.

NairobiWalker:
You mean Fulani is a dying language? Are Hausa's afro Asiatic or Negroid?

Muafrika2:
What's the difference?

TayserMahiri:
What makes them Bantoid and not Bantu?

Ersan:
Well if you didn't know now you know. North Korea is officially a secular state.

This has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If anything it just further supports my point. Regardless of their practice, their official stance is that they're a secular state.

Again in case you didn't know, age of consent in all northern states is similarly 18. Sharia does not directly specify an age of consent and i admit SOME people reject that constraint for this reason.

However i do not know of an educated man in the north who would marry off his daughter before at least finishing secondary school and i believe that should satisfy the age requirements you mentioned.

Whats inhumane or not is extremely subjective.

For example i believe locking up some one like an animal in a cage is inhuman, you may disagree but like i said that depends on what your idea of inhumane is.

This may infringe secularism but definitely not democracy, stop contradicting yourseld.

Well the south might be a little more complicated but the north, especially at the core... We operate as a single political entity, with similarities in every aspects of the way we live from cuisine to dress code. This is why it is no bother for a man from katsina to successfully become a governor in kaduna. This happens all over the north regardless of region. We have no problems with each other.

The complexities of the south however are none of my concern.

This is a much more reasonable agreement.

Although i disagree with your latter point. Ethnic regionalism cannot work in the north only regionalism. Our ethnic backgrounds are too complicated to the point that we don't know which ethnic group dominates particular states. I see how it could work in the south though. In the end your solutions only echo my earlier claims, things that work in the south don't necessarily work in the north and vice versa.

For me the only solution is the dissolution of this country. Like you said there are undeniable flaws in its foundation, flaws i believe cannot be fixed in donkey years. This is what you described earlier albeit in a ridiculous way. How can regions in the same country have uniquely possess all the things you mentioned and still regard themselves the same country?

And please next time use paragraphs, your post was extremely laborious to read.

TayserMahiri:
You might be Tiv

chkil0:
The age of consent and mariage in Algeria is 19 years for man and woman .

Ersan:
Northern leaders were not puppets. When the brits came they saw an civilized system of government and leadership. They thought it sane to hand over leadership to those they believed were capable of handling themselves.

Ersan:
Democracy does not necessarily imply secularism. Only ensures the eligibility of all people for public offices, and the right for people to decide their leaders. Secularism can be added to democracy but one does not necessarily imply the other. North Korea is secular but not democratic. Malaysia is Islamic but democratic.

Nigeria as a whole can never ever be treated with the same approach. The dissimilarity between the north and the south is way too much. Culture, ethnicity religion fashion vegetation cuisine need I go on?

You lot are too intolerant. If the south were to impose some Christian law in southern states we wouldn't care. But you pick apart everything we do though it's none of your business.

We legally are the same country but make no mistake we couldn't be further apart from each other. We must understand that and accept a middle ground but it seems you are uninterested in that.

genieluv:
yah, Benue-Kogi we are somehow culturally closer to the South. We wonder how we were ever grouped as northerners.

Nowenuse:
Hahaha No o, it's not as of i come across only those who deny their ethnicity. I have also come across many others from these places who are proud of their ethnicity. I am only stating the exceptions because they are exceptions.

About Ilorin, yes, yorubas from other yoruba states form the highest immigrant populations there, so of course, complete cultural yorubanization of the city is around the corner.

I went to Covenant university on my bros convocation and another bro of mine who went with me and travels to Benin republic a lot as a car dealer decided to take us to the border (Idiroko) and we decided to cross over the boundary into Benin to buy some stuffs (cos apparently they are cheaper). That was how i met the so called Ajashe speaking woman.
Are you familiar with that boundary town in Benin republic? If yes, is it occupied by the Ajashes, Eguns or other yoruba groups?

Those Ilajes i was talking abt, i met them in Warri, and they could not speak central yoruba, except Ilaje and when i heard them speaking at first, i was confused what language that was because i studied yoruba in secondary school and know it a little, the language did not sound like yoruba but i could still hear some few yoruba words in it. And after asking them, they told me that what they are speaking is Ilaje and not yoruba and that they are not yorubas.

I think the issues there was that they wanted to emphasize on how different their language was from Central yoruba cos i was emphasizing that their language is a yoruba dialect. It may be ignorance on their own part.

Some people do not understand the concept of an ethnic group and dialects of an ethnic group. Most of these people i am referring to have never lived in yoruba hinterland and maybe the reason they have not understood that yoruba itself is a language cluster of many dialects, they feel anyone who is yoruba must speak the general known yoruba and they themselves do not speak it.
This is exactly the case with many Itsekiris. If central yoruba had penetrated Itsekiri land, they would have had no issue claiming yoruba identity.

And that Ilorin gal, yes she was mixed, it's obvious, she's from the Bello family and their people intermarried hausa-fulanis a lot, she even speaks hausa. Those from the rich and aristocratic ruling emirate families of Ilorin are the ones who promote fulani and arewa identity mostly.

Many of the Ilorin families you find in the north will tell you they are proudly arewa. I understand this, it's probably just to fit into where they find themselves. Of they have been born and bred in Lagos or Ibadan, i bet they would have claimed omo yoruba.

Have you ever lived in any northern city? Like Kano, Kaduna, Jos, Zaria?

genieluv:
Lotta people from Benue & Kogi are also naturally light skinned, like Idomas, Igalas n Ibiras. Dat of Ibiras is even more pronounced, holly majority of them tend 2be naturally light skinned.

vaxx:
kpalime people themselves says they are yoruba though the language may be complex as i make a point. To clarify you about adebayo nationality. Adebayo grow up in nima accra ghana. sure is parent are from igbeti osun state nigeria. Adebayor relocated to togo when his parent decide to change enviroment. Adebayor speak yoruba ,hausa ,twi fluently.may be ewe i cant say. Adebayor will be proud to call himself a ghanian rather than togo. He only choose togo because of his football career.

Nowenuse:
Ok, great explanation.

My first encounter with an Ajashe woman at across the Nigerian-Benin border after Idiroko and she told me that she was not a yoruba woman but Ajashe.

I have also come across many Ilaje and Okun people denying yoruba identity. What do you think?

As for Itsekiris, i think it is more or less a political divide. If the Itsekiris were part of Ondo state (South-west) for instance, i think they would have naturally claimed yoruba identity and adopted central yoruba as a lingua franca.
I think another problem with itsekiri is that they are so much surrounded by Urhobos and Ijaws and they have also accepted Warri city as their cultural centre, hence easily gravitating towards pidgin as their lingua franca and the urban Niger-delta culture.

As for Ilorin, really the city is yoruba linguistically, but culturally i dont think so, but i think the problem is same thing like that of Kano, where prestige is attached to those who claim fulani due to fulanis constituting the ruling clans. I think many Ilorin people are confused, some i have met don't even know what tribe to claim, they claim they are Ilorin by tribe . Another Ilorin lady i met, she claims fulani and yoruba interchangeably at her will.

Most Ilorins also tend to be very islamic and fanatic like hausa-fulanis.
Another thing is that i think many Ilorins might have been fulani or nupe by origin, but they have been yorubanized because you can still see their surnames to be hausa/fulani surnames or a corruption. Like the Sarakis, the Gambaris, the Belgores, the Kawus, the Alimis, Jiddas e.t.c

Most people from Jos, Southern Kaduna, Niger and other 2nd language hausa speakers speak a unique kind of hausa which is an offshoot of Zaria hausa (Zazzaganci), but due to acceptance of a more standard central hausa and Kannywood, all based on Kano dialect, most Zaria people are now shifting to Kano dialect.

So, i'd say the hausa i speak is closer to old Zaria dialect, but it is now unique. It is the easiest form of hausa.

fanficgirl:
yes I know of them, but aren't they Austronesians?

Nowenuse:
Okay. Interesting.

Do you consider Egun and Ajashe people to be yorubas? Some claim to be yorubas, others reject yoruba identity. What do you think?

You once said that Yorubas are not united by language but origin. Apparently, The Awujale of Ijebu once said that Ijebu people do not have Oduduwa roots. Many Ondo and Lagos towns also have Edo origins and not Ife origins.

Many Ilorin people have fulani/nupe origins. What can u say? I think yoruba unity is more or less based on language (central yoruba) than culture or origins (i may be wrong though)

And in Akoko axis of Ondo, there are many towns there that still speak native Edo languages, even though they now speak yoruba as a 2nd language, as i heard. Are you aware?

EvilUnityBeggars:
If you have being following my comments, you will see where I posted that all SS and SE tribes are slaves who have no control over their resources

Igbo and Ijaw people have recognized this fact that is why they want out of the federation

Notasyouthink:
Which history are you talking about?? Is it the one that was concocted by zoo?? before the creation of the zoo by fedrick lugard, was there anything like edo and delta state?? Black man and low mentality are inseparable go and prepare yourself very well if you want to be quoting me.

hammer6:
Afonja get out of the thread, i have no business with u. nonsense!

hammer6:
So u have finally admitted that Igbo oil feeds U? Nothing is hidden under the sun forever, especially the truth.

It always comes out in the end.

EvilUnityBeggars:
If Urhobos aren't slaves, why are their oil wells under the control of their Hausa Fulani masters

Notasyouthink:
Dude shut your stinking mouth and stop massaging your useless ego it will lead you to nowhere. bia4ra will come with urhobo and isoko as part and parcel of the new country and the funny thing is that, you as a yoruba person cannot stop it.

fanficgirl:
I always wondered why Phyno wore glasses. I just thought he was trying to be cool .
What do you think causes colored eyes?

freshest4live:
Yeah even Benin, urhobo, etc. Maybe to the exclusion of the ijaws though, there are light skins everywhere.
So many Yoruba's see all southerners as Igbo, especially those less acquainted with the diversity of the south south.
Dunno if fancigirl is Yoruba though.

fanficgirl:
Lol I didn't mean light skin I meant the facial features, especially of her daughter. Oh! People from cross river are usually pretty

fanficgirl:
Yes, I like watching dNA videos. Wow! Would never have thought she was a pure West African. She's igbo too correct? I notice you can see this more with igbos.
Lol she thought she was thirty percent European

vaxx:
atakpame is a name of a cityand at the same time a tribe. They are close with another tribe called kpalime. Five largest city in togo.

Nowenuse:
Interesting.

Truly, enlightenment will go a long way.
I was surprised when i heard that Porto-novo (capital of Benin republic) was owned by yoruba speakers.

How many million yorubas can you estimate in Benin republic & Togo?

As for Hausa, if Sokoto (western hausa) people speak rural sokoto, those of us 2nd language speakers can pick only like 25% or less. While 1st language western hausa speakers may pick like 40% or less. But urban Sokoto which has mixed with Central hausa a lot is like 20% higher in understanding compared to the rural ones.

In Niger republic, this understanding reduces with like 20%. So, i only understand like 15% of what they are saying. Infact, it doesn't really make any sense unless you listen deeply before you can make any sense out of it.
Infact, the first day i came across Nigerien people speaking hausa, i tot they were speaking another language like Zarma or Buzu. I only knew they were speaking hausa because some Sokoto neighbours of mine who could flow with Niger hausa jjoined the conversation with them.

We once had some Hausa Niger family friends and no matter how these people tried to switch to Central hausa, i still could only understand half of what they were saying to me.

The difference is much.

I think i made a thread about the different dialects of hausa some time ago. Here is it, try to go through it.

https://www.nairaland.com/2311617/detailed-list-hausa-dialects-places

fanficgirl:
I'm laughing too much

fanficgirl:
Exactly!! Imagine a Yoruba took a DNA test and thought he would only get Nigerian and was confused Benin show up . National borders have really ruined so many ethnic groups

fanficgirl:
Impossible. I let a Yoruba Nigerian friend meet some people that just came from Benin and she was surprised they spoke Yoruba.

Nowenuse:
Hmmmmm..........
Very enlightening piece.
Seriously, i'd advice you to work on this unification if you can in your most possible way. Your knowledge on this thing will go a long way.

What field are you into if i may ask?

Do these yoruba subgroups in Togo and Benin identify as Yorubas?

Talking about dialectal difference, i speak hausa fluently and believe me, the hausa dialects of Niger republic are very very different from most in Nigeria to a large extent. Even in Nigeria, people from Kaduna, Kano, Bauchi, e.t.c do not understand Sokoto people if they speak, unless Sokoto people switch to central hausa.

This is the same thing with Niger republic hausa being far more different. Just that due to the influence of Kano dialect in radios which the BBC, Radio france and others have helped to promote and through trade, most other hausas have learnt to speak Kano dialect.

I think the problem with yorubas is less contact btw those in Togo, Benin and those in Nigeria, compared to Hausas in Niger whom millions of them come to Nigeria and trade with Nigerians.

Nowenuse:
@9jakool

You made some strong points about cultural unification though.
All hausas are united culturally compared to Yorubas and Akans. (thanks to Danfodio).

But hausas in Niger i think have a different culture to an extent, they were never conquered by fulanis and never intermixed with fulanis as such. The term hausa-fulani is absurd in Niger republic.

Also, i think the town fulanis form the majority of fulanis in the entire West Africa. The nomadic ones i think are in minority and these town and educated fulanis are even the ones in charge of the international unions and not the nomadics who are predominantly illiterate. ....So i don't think the nomadic nature is much of an excuse.

I think another problem with the Akans and Yorubas is too much westernization compared to the fulanis....so, most are not interested in tribal identification or superiority or unity as such.....those in Nigeria definitely had to unite i think with the help of the colonial masters and greater desire to assert as a majority and powerful group in Nigeria.