₦airaland Forum

IgboAmakaa:
u are sick

u guys have benefited from Lagos been the former capital ....den y were ur elders shouting marginalization


u guys have functional airport ...den y were ur elders shouting marginalization


u guys have function seaport ...den y were ur elders shouting marginalization

almost all the company headquarters are in yoruba land...den y were ur elders shouting marginalization

You guys now see how complaining left and right feels. When your dear brother was appointing plenty of Igbos, you guys weren't shouting marginalization then and the urge for Biafra was less. In fact it was your dear sisters Madueke and Stella who stole billions of dollars meant for the development of Nigeria which could have been very beneficial to the Igbos. Madam Stella scammed the whole of Naija and stole money that was allocated for development of Enugu airport which was covered in potholes. Your madams chopped the developmental money for your region. I'm sure that terrible flood that happened a while ago in that airport could have been prevented.


During your brother's 5 years in office, he didn't have anything tangible for development of the SE. Don't let me get started on the second Niger bridge. He couldn't even provide electricity or pave the road leading to his own mother's village in Bayelsa. You guys said Obasanjo marginalized you and yet you helped reelect him. Now that Yorubas removed your dear brother from leadership, you are now yelling afonja, only £20, and shouting marginalization.

iblawi:
Yes we have Yorubas as indigenes in Togo. Adebayo is also 1(the football).

Adebayo is a descendant of Yoruba migrants from Nigera. Yoruba indigines are found in central Togo and the second largest city in Togo, Atakpame is a Yoruba city inhabited by the Ana subgroup. The Yoruba subgroups in Togo are Ana, Manigri(Kambole) and Koura. Adebayo was born in Lome which is an Ewe city and far from the Yorubas in central Togo. The ironic thing is that most Yorubas who migrate from Nigeria to Togo only move to the coastal area especially the big capital city, Lome and ironically some aren't even aware of other Yoruba subgroups in the more hinterland part of Togo.

Nowenuse:
True.

We can't help but admit the fact that fulanis seem to be the smartest ethnic group among the large ethnic groups of west Africa.
Fulanis have international cultural unity groups accross West Africa.

Hausas are the largest tribe in Niger republic and a majority in Nigeria, yet no international unity, Zarmas are even dominating the hausas politically in Niger republic.

Akans are the majority in Ghana and Ivory coast, yet no international ethnic unity, maybe Just30, lethalbeast or vaxx can explain this for us.

Yorubas are a strong force in Benin republic and even Togo, but no cultural solidarity btw the Nigerian and non-Nigerian yorubas @obaaderemi, 9jakool

But fulanis from over 10 different West and Central African nations have international unity groups.

I don't understand your definition of smartest.
In Nigeria too, Hausa are being overshadowed by the Fulanis in politics under the Hausa-Fulani banner, but that's a different subject matter.

I think the situation is extremely complex than that.
You need to understand that the importance of perspectives and political alliance.
Hausas are found in Niger and Nigeria. However you have to realize Niger was colonized by French and Nigeria was a British colony. In reality these people have been cut off from each other politically and ideologically for more than a century. The same case can be made from Akan. Ghana was a British colony and Ivory Coast was a French colony. For Yorubas, Nigeria was a British colony, Benin Rep. was a French colony, Togo was both ruled by the Germans and French. I'm not saying colonialism is the culprit here, even though it played a big role. I am saying that the different colonial forces affected the perspectives of these people. Take Togo for example, Yorubas in Togo are more connected to Yorubas in Benin more because they were both French colony and they use French as a second language. In a way, the colonial forces have shaped the identity of these people in their respective country.

Fulanis are the exception in this case because their of their nomadic culture which is different from most West African groups. Naturally, nomadic people travel from country to country and aren't affected by political boarders unlike Agriculturalist settled groups like Hausa.
My next point is culture and the heterogeneous nature of these groups.

Even with the political differences, Hausa in Niger are more connected to Hausa in Nigeria than Akan in Ivory Coast-Ghana and Yoruba in Nigeria-Benin-Togo. Why? cultural differences. I'm aware that some cultural/dialect differences exist between Hausas, but compare to the Akan or Yoruba, those differences are mild. Yoruba like Akan is an umbrella term for numerous historically independent groups. Even in Nigeria, a Yoruba man from from Oyo would have a little difficulty understanding a Yoruba man from Ijebu if they were to speak their respective dialects. Both of them would have an even more difficult time understanding a Yoruba man from Arigidi in Ondo. It isn't just the differences in dialects, it's just the most noticeable cultural difference. An Oyo man with a more inland/upland culture will be different to the riverine/costal cultures of groups like Ilaje or Ijebu. Even with those strong differences, Yorubas in Nigeria are still very united. This heterogeneous nature extends to those in Benin and Togo. The Yoruba umbrella identity seems to be less prominent in those countries with Togo being the least. In Benin rep and Togo, Yoruba subgroups like Anago, Ketu, Idasa, Ije, and Sabe are more likely to answer/recognize Yoruba identity than groups like Isa, Manigri, and Ife-Ana. Why? Because groups like Ketu and co are closer to the Nigerian border, they use oba political system, and most importantly recognize the Oduduwa deity, one of the most important unifying factor. Other Yorubas groups like Isa, Manigri, Ife-Ana, are found on the Western border of Benin and central Togo. These groups are the farthest away from Yorubas in Nigeria, and don't even know or recognize oduduwa. These groups were very independent to the point that they don't have kings (obas). Shocking right? This just goes to show the heterogeneous nature.

It's very complicated than black or white. I need to create a thread for this lol.

overall90:
Who is the land grabber here?
After Murtala Mohammed created the 19 states, it was a Yoruba man Obasanjo, after the assassination of MM that set up a fraudulent boundary adjustment committee that balkanized Imo state to add to Rivers and Akwa Ibom while at same time stealing Ijaw and Edo lands to add to ondo state that made ondo an oil producing state.

What are you talking about?
First of all, it was the same SE that voted the same Obasanjo into office in 1999. The SW didn't throw their support behind OBJ but Falae.

Also, well more than 90% of the oil in Ondo is produced by the Ilaje, not Edo or Ijaw. You do realize that the Ilaje controls 100% of Ondo's offshore oil right?
Next time, don't just make blind assumptions.

Nowenuse:
Wait, have you stayed in the north before?

Did you grow up with fulanis? Or shuwa arabs or other northerners?
I have a lot of these people as my family members. My mother's immediate younger sister married a fulani man, another relative of hers married a shuwa arab woman.

Here in the south, all northerners who speak hausa identify as one, so i have many fulani family friends.

I can tell you authoritatively that this is the way many or most urban fulanis/hausanized fulanis look like.

Now we are talking!
Those pictures you posted resemble Fulani than many of your previous one. These pictures are Fulani and they don't look like Horners. The only picture that maybe resemble Horner is the last one. Genetically speaking, Fulani are closer to West Africans particularly from the Senegambia region than Horners like Somali or Oromo.

Nowenuse:
I know that the average fulani does not look like a horner, but the point is that a good percentage of them do.

A tiny minority,m maybe. Most don't.

Nowenuse:
@9jakool, fulanis don't come in one look, they differ largely since they have intermixed a lot with other tribes.

Now, let me deal the final blow to all you guys
fanficgirl & Taysermahiri

One is a Sudanese, one Nigerian, one Somali and another Ethiopian (Oromo). Tell them apart

Again none of them look like your typical Fulani. I don't think I've seen a Fulani that looks like any of them before. Only 1 or 2 of your pictures have a distinguishable look. The 4th picture is Somali. The second picture is also a dead giveaway as it has Arabic writing, likely Sudanese. The rest look like African Americans as many have a little European admixture. FYI honer groups share more looks with the Somali being slightly more distinct. Your average Fulani is very distinguishable, I'm just saying.

Nowenuse:
because she is whiter?

Ok, since you are good at differentiating nationalities

One of these 4 women is not a Nigerian, can you tell me which one?

By the way, the last picture is a Nigerian. The style of building is dead giveaway just saying. Also the second picture is a likely Somali. Other than that, your average Fulani does not look like a Horner.

fanficgirl:
Nowensense reminds me of the Fulanis I was telling you about who were trying to associate themselves with horn of Africa

The main thing they share with many Honers is religion.

Nowenuse:
I want to deal with u guys

2 of these guys are somalis and 2 are Nigerians.
Can you tell which are??

fanficgirl, you can also help out.

Lol, where did you get your pics from. I hope it's not random pics from the internet cuz you know Google isn't always accurate. Your average Fulani doesn't look like that. They have some diversity in look also. Fulanis have a slight distinct appearance from Horners like Ethiopia.
You can definitely tell these are Fulanis.
https://www.fulaniministries.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/10393169_674167375952048_2187828103794981046_n.jpg
https://www.sugarweddings.com/files/styles/width-640/public/Fulani-woman.jpg?itok=te4qBc4I

Isahalbash:
If u r based in Lagos u might have seen Dem doing garuwa(selling water in truck), they also sell sweets nd biscuits in small kiosks in front of where they r doing maigadi( security). They love tea so much, and most listen to music wit only beats.


They r kinda similar to d fulanis. They r ladies r vry pretty, especially those from Nijer and they hv both blacks nd light skins.

Ok!
What language do they speak natively? Is it Hausa or do they have their own language?
Also, what state are they from?

Isahalbash:
Yeah... I tink d tuareg r more like d buzus( don't knw if dere dsame).

Are the Buzus more like Fulanis? What language do they speak?

Isahalbash:
Ur head they there. Most people here especially, d igbos always blame d Yoruba Muslims for voting Buhari excluding d Yoruba christians. Its so annoying wallahi cos in 2011 dsame people voted for dere beloved candidate and nobody blamed Dem for doing dat.

Gbosa for you!
You get the gist.
Yorubas most of the time aren't sway one way or the other during the elections.
They always shout this and that about Obj and yet in 1999, most Yorubas didn't even want Obasanjo but instead voted for Falae. But you know who voted for OBJ? Most of the rest of Nigeria including them.

Some of them claim OBJ was an afonja who betrayed them. Lol, yet, they were the same people who gave him most of their votes and re-elected the apparent "traitor" in 2003.

They are always claiming that Yoruba people are "slave to their Northern masters" for voting for Buhari. You know Buhari attempted the presidency 4 times, but it wasn't until the last term, he won a majority among Yorubas. Hypothetically, I will remove 2007 and 2003 because let's assume they chose OBJ in 2003 because he was Yoruba. Then, how come they didn't vote for Buhari in 2011 when Buhari's vice president candidate was a Yoruba man? How come they voted for GEJ who had a Northerner as a vice president?

Even though a majority of Yorubas voted for Buhari in the 2015 election, More than 40% vote for GEJ. So Buhari's support among them wasn't even a clear/absolute majority.

Nowenuse:
Very true.

I think this ethnic ignorance is higher on yorubas.
How can most yorubas just conclude everything outside yoruba land in Nigeria to be Hausa or Igbo?

Most yorubas will even assume Nupes and Baribas to be hausas, whereas nupes and baribas are very very much closer to yorubas culturally than they are to hausas. Likewise the Igalas too.

I doubt if having ethnic states would have helped Nigeria.

I wouldn't go that far because Yorubas are very familiar with Bariba and Nupe who they call Tapa, but yeah it's pretty bad. Oyo empire once controlled part of Nupeland and Baribaland. Even one of Yoruba deity like Sango had a strong link to the Nupes. I don't even think it is ignorance as more of generalization. Many Non-Hausa groups have similar culture. They have the same clothing style, same food, and they speak the same language, some even have Hausa names. Also some minorities just claim Hausa for simplicity. I think this is where the generalization comes from. I'm not talking about ethnic states, but rather ethnic regions that reflect the people living there.

Isahalbash:
U are right, but sum1 like me wud easily identify Dem. My mother is more like and arab though she's Kanuri. She has lived in both Sudan nd RSA for long nd spk Arabic fluently though she's nt even literate.


She's late now...

Fulanis don't look like Arab just like Tuaregs. I can easily distinguish a Tuareg from an Arab from Middle-east as I can easily distinguish a Fulani from a Sudanese Arab or Horners.

RedboneSmith:
Is the 1850s precolonial enough?

1. Vocabulary of Yoruba by Crowther. 1852: https://archive.org/details/vocabularyofyoru00crow

2. Grammar and Dictionary of Yoruba by TJ Bowen. 1858: https://archive.org/details/grammardictionar00bowerich

3. And just as a bonus this one from the early next century, The Dictionary of the Yoruba Language by the CMS. 1913 : https://archive.org./stream/DictionaryOfTheYorubaLanguage/A_Dictionary_of_the_Yoruba_Language_djvu.tx

All three dictionaries contain the word 'oga' (which means a master, a distinguished person, one who is exalted, etc); and they all also contain the verb-root 'ga' (which means high, to exalt, etc) from which the word 'oga' is formed. One familiar with Yoruba (and even other West African languages for that matter) will be familiar with the tendency for nouns to be formed from certain verb-roots, usually by adding 'o', or sometimes another vowel in front of the verb-root. Thus 'oku' (corpse) is formed from the verb-root 'ku' ( die), and 'obe' (knife) is from the verb-root 'be' (cut). 'Oga' in the same fashion is quite simply from the verb-root 'ga', and is an authentic pre-Colonial, pre-English Yoruba word.

I have to commend your intelligence and rebuttal skills.
I try to tell him that it has a direct meaning in Yoruba. Why would oga come from organizer of all words.
Don't mind him.

Isahalbash:
U can distinguished a Sudanese from a fulani... d former look more like arabs in Nigeria.

I agree
There are some with striking similarities though, but most can be distinguished.

Nowenuse:
Ok.
I think you are familiar with anything that has to do with demographics.
Kudos, people like us who are very well interested in these things are very few in Nigeria. Most Nigerians don't care to know outside their geo-political zones or even their states......
I blame our educational system.

I used to be like that too lol. Nigerian educational system doesn't really teach about culture or history. I also think the Ignorance stems from the stupid geopolitical divisions that's so misrepresenting.
Some people think all Northerners are Hausa and others think all Southerners are Igbo or Yoruba.
Some Yoruba people who have never stepped out of their region think all of the North is Hausa and everything East of Edo is Igbo. Some aren't even aware there are people they share kinship with in Northern states like Kogi. I tell you it's that bad.


Personally, I prefer Ethiopia's political region better. It based on ethnic groups,. Although, not entirely perfect, It's more representing.
https://www.ethiovisit.com/ethiopia/images/Ethiopia_regions_english2.png

Nowenuse:
It is absurd.

All Indians love their country, but they still proudly identify with their ethnicities. Likewise the Americans, the Belgians, Indonesians, South Africans et al.

If one think tribalism in Nigeria is worse, then one hasn't seen India's caste system or its religious tension.

Nowenuse:
Yess !!

How did you know?

I'm a bit familiar with Middlebelt groups.

Nowenuse:
Oh, you mean names like JANG, DALONG, VUMPAK, CHUWANG, CHUNG, VONGJEN e.t.c.

Na so we see am o. At a time i even thought our people had a possibility of migrating from China

It's the nature of the native languages. But, not all languages are like that though.

interesting...
Are Pyem found in Mangu lga?
is the religious breakdown for that ethnic group 50-50.

fanficgirl:
You watch almost everything I watch

Lol, I guess there aren't a lot of popular YouTube channels that deal with education that much. I spend more time reading.

fanficgirl:
Can it be argued that the Arab Peninsula is technically still on the African Continental? Like look how close Yemen and Somalia is.

A lot of factors affect the definition of a continent. There isn't really any set definitin. Factors like plate tectonic, culture/history, and landmass shape the definition of a continent. The Africa continent is a landmass in its own right. The only thing that connects it with the Asian continent is the Sinai peninsula. Africa also sits on the African tectonic plate.

DonnieTheGreat:
anything educative. Be really glad if you just gave me access to your Youtube subscription

Not all my subscriptions are educational Lol. Here are some I think you may like. Maybe you are familiar with some of this.

Geography/Linguistics
GeographyNow:
Country profile starting alphabetical from A (He's on G)
https://www.youtube.com/user/GeographyNow
LangFocus
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNhX3WQEkraW3VHPyup8jkQ
NativLang
https://www.youtube.com/user/NativLang

Science/Technology
Scishow:
The first time I discovered this channel, I binged watch the entire thing.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZYTClx2T1of7BRZ86-8fow
Brainscoop
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkyfHZ6bY2TjqbJhiH8Y2QQ
The Daily Conversion
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDailyConversation/videos
Vox
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLXo7UDZvByw2ixzpQCufnA
Seeker (DNews)
https://www.youtube.com/user/DNewsChannel/videos

History
CrashCourse(World History):
The world History course is very interesting. This is a link to the playlist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yocja_N5s1I&list=PLBDA2E52FB1EF80C9
HomeTeam History
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC12lU5ymIvSpgl8KntDQUQA
PBS Documentary(playlist):
If you have free time, you should definitely check out this playlist. It's a 2017 documentary on African history. It's a 6 episode long documentary and each episode is an hour long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbfcNTyQzC0&list=PLT5h2z_6asP9H2fFrI7lynUQgKTzjfeYZ


News/Political Science
Saharatv:
Check out Keeping it real with Adeola and Dr.Damages
https://www.youtube.com/user/Saharatv
CGTN Africa
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMeYPU1YfXjxsUa6QXWsfjg
Al Jazeera
https://www.youtube.com/user/AlJazeeraEnglish
Naij.com
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwd8fNhb8OPLPSNELSys9pg
CGPGrey
https://www.youtube.com/user/CGPGrey/videos
Journeyman Pictures
https://www.youtube.com/user/journeymanpictures

Vlog/comedy
AdannaDavid
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeVwoClNroOJCljdZb9fUgg
Vlogborthers
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGaVdbSav8xWuFWTadK6loA
Tia Taylor:
She's Nigerian-Jamaican American and check out her country comparison videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOXyfKNF2mAIV-sYMASNSyg
SisiYemmie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgiZJgpmzcbCW30ywLHVPkQ
Twyse Ereme:
He's very funny. Check out his meet Twyse family videos lol.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TwyseEreme/videos
Simon and Martina
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLMtDePlMyiqv2XC_ByNEVQ

freshest4live:
Lol, the problem is that in the case of Nigeria the British gave this people power, they dominate the military, how many can you kill? The Hausas are a major ethnic group in Nigeria,like the Yoruba's and Igbo's, all three are majority.
Many of us seek restructuring, some seek secession. It's so bad that Islamic nations now invite Nigeria for islamic sports and many believe we are an Islamic nation not secular

Why won't they?
After all, 12 Northern states use sharia.

DonnieTheGreat:
Baba abeg can you give me suggestion to similar Youtube channels i really enjoyed Hind's videos.I've been binge watching her channel.Thanks

What kind of stuff are you interested in?

ababda:
Actually, i did not have them in mind, those are "bantu" descent people. For example the King of Oman, and



https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2016/02/13/f5d42418-f433-45c6-9ef4-7a4c2620ee85/f5d42418-f433-45c6-9ef4-7a4c2620ee85_16x9_788x442.jpg

and groups in places such as Yemen and you have some Saudi that look like that to


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2772/4406095876_5fe5504609_z.jpg


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PX36Qn87LJU/maxresdefault.jpg

https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/b38af5d2113f4c21abdd2777487ec13e/saudi-men-listening-to-a-speech-fpcwxj.jpg



If you visit any Arab country you will noticed there is a range among them, from white to carmel complexion.




If you talking about Southern Egypt, Yes it is different, but in North Sudanese case it is relatively the same territory and people.

Those Arabs are "brown" in complexion and they are not too far off. It's true that some who are definitively Arabs especially in South Arabian countries have some African descent. It's not rocket science. If you also consider the cross movement of people in the area. The Axumite empire from Ethiopia once expanded into parts of South Arabia, especially Yemen. The Arabs were active along the East coast of Africa. There was a lot of slave trade going on. Also at one point the King of Oman controlled parts of the Swahili coast during the Sultanate of Zanzibar.

ababda:
Actually you do have many "dark" arabs in Saudi Arabia and Oman, but that is another story for another day.

Lol I wasn't born yesterday. Those "dark" Arabs are Arabs with ancestry from Africa. There are also Arabs in Iraq, especially around Basrah. Those "dark" Arabs were descendants of slaves that was taken from Africa especially Zanj.

No, the nubians are still there my friend, and they are not reduce to some small area. The nubians groups that are Arabize such Jal3en, and Dongola, and Halfaweyen who are the largest groups in the North, and you have groups such as the Mahas that maintain their identity.

Again, you didn't catch were I said "....Nubians who are now reduced to a few areas." I know they exist today, my point was they held a larger territory historically than they do today.

The Sudanese girl kind of explains the problems in Sudan, in a round about way.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGUK1avLeJI

Yes, I'm very familiar with Hind's content.

ababda:
Most Sudanese are "Nile Valley" people. Yes, some arabs and in some cases Turkish people mixed, but it is not the majority. Most northern Sudanese are indistinguishable from many people from the horn, and Upper Egypt. If you look at the Christian frescoes it still resemble the vast majority of the people.

This is before islam became the dominant religion, you will see these Christian frescoes at the second floor of the national museum in Khartoum






https://i.imgur.com/hhVoZmG.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/D21MDnv.jpg



Your last statement i never heard a South Sudanese say that, if the country in the north supposedly belong to them why did they overwhelmingly voted for separation?

Yes, I've seen those pictures.

I've always maintained that an average Sudanese has small Arab genetics hence my use of "Arabization". If you compare them with Arabs from the Arabian peninsula, they are darker. When I look at Sudan, I see people of varying skin tones. Most fall in the category of East Africans. Some are very dark in complexion, some are medium brown in complexion. Only a very few have the same skin tones as Arabs in Saudi Arabia.


As for the bolded, direct that question to PissedYagami. I wasn't the one who asked it. I'll give you my opinion on it, history would show that Nubians were the owners of land surrounding the Nile at least from the first cataract near Aswan to the 6th Cataract. I wont say South Sudanese own all of Sudan. Many of the areas now occupied by "Arabs" were originally owned by Nubians who are now reduced to a few areas.

PissedYagami:
South Sudanese are very dark, its their characteristic. And they can be very tall. n the case of some Sudanese tribes, males can have an average height of 1.9 m (6 ft, 4in) (!), while women of 1.8 m (6 ft) (!). These people have slim but strong bodies, and their heads are more elongated than in the case of the typical African Blacks. Not all are tall though but averagely they are very tall. The most famous group and more racially preserved of the Sudanese race are the Nilotic tribes (they all originated on the Upper Nile area). The most famous are Maasai(Kenya), Turkana(Kenya), Samburu(Kenya) and Dinka(South Sudan), whose main occupation is animal husbandry. Ancient (and modern) Nubians, the Black Pharaohs, were also of Sudanese race. When the French met this race of giants (in Chad tribes), they called them "the beautiful race".

Yes! Seeing that the Kalenjin are also Nilotic, it's fair to say that that Nilotic people are also very athletic.
That's the diversity of Africa. You also have Khoisan people who are considered the oldest present-day people on Earth having been around for 200,000 years and being cut off for 100,000 years.

fanficgirl:
You make this thread worthwhile

Anytime, Anywhere!

Muafrika2:
That is the other angle to the Northern Sudan V/S Southern Sudan war. The Southern tribes say the north belongs to them and the Arabs were just traders who took over their land. its a huge point of discontent even with forming the nation of South Sudan amongst the southern tribes. Some say the war should never stop and their goal is the North.

Yes, According to history, the Arabs came as merchants to the area, but over time they mixed with the local Nubians and that's how you get Sudanese Arabs. Some clans are pure Arabs and some are pure Nubians.