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afroniger: ![]() The Correctional Center obviously did not correct this one. > |
> Technically, they are both adults... But when the age and wealth is so skewed... They are not “equal” partners - just the way most sexist NLers love life! SMH ![]() > |
Henrydonland:You mean old enough to be his GRAND-daughter? Meanwhile, how can you blame an 18-year-old still in her parents care for this mess?! ![]() > |
virago:Dude, Golden Sugar was incorporated in 2008... And was importing and selling sugar well before it’s refinery was commissioned in 2013. FACTS! Not feelings!! ![]() > |
Igboid:Ah, the return of Das Kapital... ![]() So because they are quarry sites all over, Ebonyi no longer need new jobs? Before you answer, it may interest you to know that the POVERTY RATE IN EBONYI IS ABOUT 80%! https://www.nairaland.com/5859369/80-poverty-rate-ebonyi-northern Meanwhile, befuddled why you are going on about taxes, when I specifically sited the generation of tax revenue as a mutuality of interest. Nigerians sadly have obsessive mentality of SHARING rather than production.... Hence, a proliferation of such code words as “carrying everyone along” (or chop-I-chop)... The problem is there won’t be anything to share (or chop) unless there’s production. Unfortunately, because mostly foreigners generate oil wealth that is quickly SHARED... The nexus between production and commonwealth is completely lost on most Nigerians. Probably why someone would think digging up quarries is better than adding value and creating MORE jobs. > |
Lucrativress:You do realize that Dangote is BUYING the dollars? That they are NOT “giving” it to him nor is the price different from the CBN’s window price for ALL manufacturers? What exactly are foreign reserves for? So that Nigeria can admire it in the CBN vaults? Or that it be used to DEVELOP the Nigerian economy? So what does Nigeria get in return for SELLING (not “giving”) dollars to Dangote to help build his refinery? 1) TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN NIGERIA FOR NIGERIANS; 2) Helps stop Nigeria from spending BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (reported 35% of all disbursed forex) importing fuel; 3) Any exports from the refinery and petrochemicals complex earns FOREX for Nigeria; 4) Generate tax revenues for government to invest in social services and infrastructure; 5) Creates a LOCAL eco-system of petrochemical-based users and industries, subcontractors, etc.; and 6) Introduces cleaner Euro V-standard fuel into Nigeria, rather than the junk that we’ve been importing. These are just a handful of the benefits just off the top of my head... But the NET effect is that the CBN sells some dollars and in return Nigeria saves and even earns more dollars. > |
Igboid:Aluta Continua... ![]() Abegi, from which old communist doctrinaire did you dig out that gem from? You think all those traders at Alaba are doing it for the benefit of the community and government? One good thing about free market (capitalist) economies is the belief in “mutuality of interests”.... Ibeto in advancing his own interests creates jobs for the community and generates taxes for the government. It does not require the obtuseness of PHYSICALLY PREVENTING him from operating the business! > |
Lucrativress:Please enlighten the rest of us how Nigeria is paying fir the Dangote Refinery. Thanks in advance... > |
rhektor: ![]() Bros, I am still trying wrap my head around that one... Why would BUA be complaining of high prices when it can simply lower its prices? BTW, as far as I am aware there’s no extraordinary barrier to entry in cement manufacturing in Nigeria... So long as one has the several hundred million dollars needed to build a modern plant, they can seek a mining license. > |
virago:Nigeria still imports MAJORITY of its sugar... Nigeria is NOWHERE near sugar sufficiency, and Dangote is NOT the problem. Meanwhile, ever heard of Tate & Lyle (later Tate Industries Plc)? It was the SUGAR GIANT in Nigeria long before Dangote Sugar was even founded. Furthermore, Flour Mills (a company founded in 1962, when Dangote was a toddler) was also importing sugar... And finally set up a sugar refinery (but still imports raw sugar from Brazil) in 2013 to benefit from the BIP program. Let’s stick with FACTS, not feelings. ![]() > |
blaise26abj:Huh?! Not sure who you have been reading (or maybe you are struggling to comprehend), but I never said anything like that... Why would anyone say that when Dangote is making money and “playing fairly” - unless you can point to any laws that he’s breaking. Meanwhile, you seem to think there’s a problem with a business modulating the prices of its products. Perhaps, you think that government should be setting the prices and even the production quotas of goods. You know, like they used to do in the old COMMUNIST SOVIET UNION. LOL! What a STRANGE people and STRANGE S/hole country... Currently a DESERVEDLY 3d World s/hole but inevitably heading towards “4th World” crapola! > |
Igboid:It was NOT “before” the acquisition... He had already LAWFULLY acquired Nkalagu before his fellow Ibo kindred came out swinging. And abegi, what section of Nigerian law mandates “carrying the host community along” to LAWFULLY acquire a business? It may be good practical business practice, but not a legal requirement and if it was there would be hardly any corporate acquisitions in Nigeria! Anyway, not surprised by the mentality.... I have said here several times, most Nigerians would rather “own” 100% of NOTHING than a smaller percentage of something. SMH > |
Igboid:I don’t know (and frankly don’t care) if he’s Ibo... What I do know is that importing cement is as DUMB as importing fuel. We have about 98-99% of raw materials for cement in Nigeria... But instead of creating TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN NIGERIA... He wants to expend scarce foreign reserves to enrich a handful of importers. > |
blaise26abj:And so your answer is to punish Dangote for the FAILURE of the NNPC? Like I said, a very STRANGE s/hole nation and people - celebrate/defend failure and detest/punish success. SMDH > |
blaise26abj: ![]() Some of you have obviously never run a business... Only a spectacularly DUMB person would price out many of his market at N15 when he can make 45% profit margin at N10. So perhaps the problem is that Dangote’s competitors are spectacularly DUMB... Lafarge is the WORLD’S MARKET LEADER AND BIGGEST PRODUCER has been in Nigeria since the 1960s (when Dangote was a toddler). It is spectacularly DUMB that Lafarge could not survive a price “war” (if it came to that) with Dangote... Meanwhile, Lafarge is selling 42.5R-graded cement against Dangote’s 52.5R-graded cement (the highest global grade). Lafarge’s been in Nigeria decades before Dangote, content to sell lower-quality 32.5R products and to mostly import and bag cement... It took Dangote’s entry for Lafarge to modernize its ancient environmentally-poor Ewekoro and Shagamu plants and to upgrade to 42.5R cement. Market Leader ko, Iyaloja ni! > |
Aconomist: ![]() The importers have returned... Beginning to see your angst against Dangote. SMH ____________________ PS: Btw, price COMPETITION is one of the anchors of capitalism... The other system, where the government sets price and quotas, has FAILED WOEFULLY!! > |
musicwriter: ![]() Tales by the Moonlight... Next, you’ll tell us how he prevented electricity in Nigeria. SMH > |
Igboid:Meanwhile, Dangote has NEVER had a cement monopoly.... The world’s BIGGEST multinational cement producers (such as Blue Circle, Holcim, Heidelberg, Scancem, etc.) have been operating in Nigeria since the 1950s and/or 1960s, while Aliko Dangote was still a toddler and most of us here had not even been born. Lafarge has continually operated the oldest cement plants in Nigeria at Ewekoro and Shagamu since the 1960s - decades before Dangote’s first kiln! > |
Igboid:Tomayto, Tomahto... ![]() However you want to polish that turd, point remains that his biggest problem was that the Ebonyi government and the community PHYSICALLY PREVENTED him from taking control of a company that he LAWFULLY acquired (following his acquisition of Eastern Bulkcem, the majority 60% shareholder of Nkalagu Cement). This caused Ibeto to remain the last and ONLY entity in the cement-bagging (rather than manufacturing) business in Nigeria, nearly resulting in the government shutting down Ibeto’s operations until he resolved the Nkalagu debacle and got foreign investment from Milost Global (the NYC-based PE firm) to modernize the Nkalagu plant. Thus (as I previously stated) his BIGGEST problem was his fellow Ibo kindred in the Ebonyi State government and the Nkalagu Cement host community. It was NOT Obasanjo nor Dangote nor Rabiu. > |
> I have said it (as I am not particularly in the business of merely “implying”) previously here on Nairaland, that stripped of all intellectual pretensions, the majority of the Anti-Dangote diatribe is driven (wittingly or unwittingly) by CRUDE ETHNIC sentiments. There are still so many folks here on Nairaland (and across parts and segments of Nigeria) who still find it difficult to wrap their head around the fact that someone of Aliko Dangote’s ethnicity has been so fantastically successful. To assuage their own narrow-minded ethnocentricity, his success can only be explained by ethnic favoritism, corruption, cheating, etc., etc. The most regurgitated favorite of these demagogues is “monopoly” (a term they obviously do not understand). Yet, THERE IS NO SINGLE SECTOR IN NIGERIA WHERE DANGOTE HAS A MONOPOLY! Dangote’s Competition Cement: Lafarge (the world’s biggest producer, operating in Nigeria since the 1950s/60s); BUA Cement; Ibeto; etc. Sugar: Flour Mills/Golden Sugar (in business since 1960); BUA; Josepdam; etc. Petrochemicals: Indorama (one of the world’s biggest multinational producers); Warri Petrochemicals; Kaduna Petrochemicals; etc. Fertilizer: Notore (with multinational investors such as the IFC and Orascom); Kaduna Superphosphate; etc. Refineries: NNPC; Waltersmith; Orient; Edo; BUA; with more than 28 private refinery licenses issued since the OBJ administration. Tomato Paste: GBFoods (the Spanish multinational operating in 50 countries), Erisco, and Tomato Jos, among others. The cement that is being discussed on this thread, suffice it to reaffirm that Dangote competes in Nigeria against the world’s BIGGEST AND MOST POWERFUL producer of cement, HolcimLafarge. In fact, despite the world’s biggest producers (including Blue Circle, Holcim, Heidelberg, Scancem, etc.) having been operational in NIGERIA since the 1950s or 1960s (that is, before most Nairalanders were born), Dangote Cement is the FIRST (and probably remains the only) producer of 52.5R grade cement in Africa, which is the highest grade globally, and in the process has dragged foreign multinational cement producers in Nigeria (Lafarge, Holcim and Blue Circle, etc.) to modernize their facilities and upgrade their products from the 32.5R grade they had been foisting on Nigerian consumers since the 1960s to 42.5R. Blue Circle (now part of HolcimLafarge) did not bother to rehabilitate or upgrade its 1960s-era Shagamu and Ewekoro plants, until Dangote built its state-of-the-art Obajana plant. > |
Igboid:Ibeto had a BIGGER problem fighting his own Ibo kin in Ebonyi State... Ibeto won the bid for Nkalagu Cement Company during the same privatization process that saw Dangote win BCC Gboko, BUA win Sokoto Cement and Okpella (Edo) Cement, Scandinavian producer Holcim (which later became part of LafargeHolcim) win Calabar Cement, etc. All of the bid winners have taken control and rebuilt and expanded the privatized entities - except for Ibeto, because he spent over a DECADE battling the Ebonyi State government and the host community for operational control of Nkalagu Cement (apparently his own fellow Ibo folks would have preferred that the privatized entity be sold to ‘Oyibo’ investors). Supposedly, a resolution was finally reached in 2019 or thereabouts, but as far as one is aware, not much has happened in respect of actual operational development. PS: Btw, Ibeto was the last (in fact, for a while, the ONLY) entity importing and bagging cement, without any actual manufacturing. > |
Aconomist: Aconomist: ![]() ![]() This “monkey” says keep your money, you LOW SELF-ESTEEM SELF-HATING demagogue... I am reasonably certain that we “monkeys” can get by without whatever pittance you plan to “invest”, not least because Dangote Cement (together BUA Cement) has primarily transformed Nigeria from the world’s second-largest IMPORTER of cement (reportedly second only to the US), with cement-laden ships clogging up the sea lanes to Nigerian ports in what The Economist magazine dubbed “The Great Cement Armada of Lagos”, to an EXPORTER of cement, in the process saving Nigeria BILLIONS of dollars previously expended on cement imports, earning forex for Nigeria from exports, and (most importantly) creating TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN NIGERIA FOR NIGERIANS, as well as generating tax revenues (reportedly N98 billion in 2020 in corporate taxes, as reported here on Nairaland, not including income taxes) for the state to invest in social and physical infrastructure. So we “monkeys” would rather you take your DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL AND DESPICABLE COMMENT along with your “investment” and stick it up where the sun wouldn’t bother it! SMDH > |
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Aconomist:What’s the cost of production in South Africa? Do producers in SA build their own electricity plants, housing, roads, provide security, water, etc.? Aconomist: Aconomist:What difference does it make what Apple and Ferrari’s profit margins are? In that same US (and Italy) there are businesses that make 100-200% profit margins. Aconomist:So why is BUA Cement MORE EXPENSIVE than Dangote Cement... Actually remember BUA and others complaining that Dangote Cement is UNDERCUTTING the market. Lafarge is the world’s BIGGEST AND MOST POWERFUL producer of cement... It has been operating in Nigeria since the 1960s, but even Lafarge’s cement cost MORE (or the same). > |
Tobbit: blaise26abj:Didn’t the NNPC just signed a contract YESTERDAY (Tuesday) to retrofit and rehabilitate the PH refinery? As well as announce that the Warri and Kaduna refineries will undergo a similar process starting later this year. Isn’t BUA Group building a big refinery in Akwa Ibom State? Aren’t several smaller refineries operating (Waltersmith, Edo, Orient, etc)? Weren’t there at least 28 licenses for private refineries issued (starting from OBJ administration) BEFORE Dangote got a license under Jonathan? Nigerians are really STRANGE human beings... Ready to worship and celebrate failures, but attack and denigrate success. No wonder Nigeria is a DESERVEDLY Third World s/hole! SMH > |
Godisgreatest1:So why are the other cement producers NOT selling for less than N2000? Even Lafarge, the world’s BIGGEST producer (operating in Nigeria since 1950s/60s), does not for N2000. ANYBODY can go into the cement production business and sell at whatever price they want... Nigerians are used to getting fuel and electricity BELOW cost, and think that they are entitled to cheap everything. Buying cement is not a necessity nor by force... You can use burnt bricks, or even mud and sticks (or zinc) if you think cement is overpriced. > |
Aconomist:WHAT’S DANGOTE CEMENT’S COST OF PRODUCTION IN ZAMBIA? Sadly, the OP just like many of Nigeria’s chattering class impart more heat than light... And, with Dangote, there’s also an element of ETHNIC HATRED involved (if we’re to be honest). SMH > |
> JOBLESS Nigerian ‘yoots’.... ![]() > |
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stormborn28:We do NOT produce fuel (or we produce very little)... We produce and export crude, and mostly import fuel. In effect, it’s not like growing cassava and buying cassava... Rather, it is more like growing cocoa and buying chocolate. I agree it’s due to “stupid people in government”... But part of their stupidity is keeping fuel prices LOWER than production cost - because it discourages investment. > |
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