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Smartseanjohn:
A big mistake country called Nigeria.
Note that it is absolute your wish to remain in Nigeria because of fear, try migrate and forget your Nigeria mentality. The country is sold long time ago am sorry.

You can NEVER...
In fact the reason many succeed abroad is that hustling “never-carry-last” Naija mentality!
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Ruby5:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6h3oQp4YgM

About time...
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Nbote:
Wen will Nepa even carry ladder to go and cut their own light?? Shebi if its here now dey'll carry ladder up and down

Citytrend:
That moment when your Father feeds many Strang women when the children are dying of hunger and starvation.

My brother something is certainly wrong with African Leaders

BarrElChapo:
And una never cut their light but if bobos owe una 2k una go climb ladder

1mrprolific7:
You never eat Belle Full dey dish out light. Since 3 months I never get light.

Inkling:
Den owe Nigeria Nepa 30 Billion nothing happen.

If a Nigerian owe Nepa 10k den go cut of the light.

ursullalinda:
We don't have enough and we are still giving people from the one we should be managing.....pls cut them off .....let's enjoy our light.

topshotnista:
What electricity? We don't even have enough to power Nigeria

miketayo:
Are we not mad like this, we haven't finished supplying Nigeria we r supplying countries that enjoy more hours of electricity than us

seedorfg:
Wonder why I don't use the phrase " you can't give what you don't have".

Because the reverse is the case in Nigeria, it is only Nigeria that give what they don't have. How can we give electricity when we don't have one, and how can we have money outside and still complain of no money to the tune of borrowing from China...
Nigeria government matter is beyond prayer.

Even the money to will be looted as soon as it entered Nigeria coffer

Problem is that Nigeria agreed to provide some of these countries with electricity in EXCHANGE for them agreeing not to dam the River Niger upstream (which would adversely affect river flow to our major hydro plants). Furthermore, they pay in HARD CURRENCY!
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NaijaRoyalty:
Diri, be becareful with that man make he no infect you with his cluelessness.

Too late?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11219392_etuh9tcwsamquub_jpeg22cc96356daf4f989c66aaf7ce265236
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Donaldoni:
Bro, why are our reps calling for an amendment if the bill had specifically stated 18 as the age of consent

Why are activists crying for the age of consent to be raised from 11 to 18

Are they dullards

Come on, they have studied the law and seen all the lacunae.

What is defilement according to Nigerian law

To be specific (as excerpted from the news story you posted), the Explanatory Note to the amendment reads:

“This bill seeks to amend sections 7(2), 7(3) and 7(4) of the Sexual Offences Act and to delete SUPERFLUOUS provisions which may be misleading....” (emphasis added).

18 years or less is already provided in the Act, and NOT a new provision(s) to be added....
The amendment merely seeks to DELETE ‘superfluous’ (as in unnecessary) language that may mislead some.
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Donaldoni:
Bro, why are our reps calling for an amendment if the bill had specifically stated 18 as the age of consent

Why are activists crying for the age of consent to be raised from 11 to 18

Are they dullards

Come on, they have studied the law and seen all the lacunae.

What is defilement according to Nigerian law

You keep repeating that....
But that’s NOT what the story you posted says.

Meanwhile, you keep using perjorative terms like ‘dullards’...
When in reality even smart folks can be genuinely mistaken.

PS: ‘Defilement’ is defined in Section 7(1) of the law.
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Sadly, the Supreme Court has become a JOKE under Tanko Muhammed....
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Donaldoni:
Those who drafted the bill knew what they were doing...

Section 7 (2) says: A person who commits an offence of defilement with a child aged eleven years or less shall upon conviction be sentenced to imprisonment for life

Section 7 (3) says: A person who commits an offence of defilement with a child between the age of twelve and fifteen years is liable upon conviction to imprisonment for life

Section 7 (4) says: A person who commits an offence of defilement with a child between the age of sixteen and eighteen years old is liable upon conviction to imprisonment for life.

If you observe clearly there is a difference between sections 7 (2) and the remaining 2 sections.

Also, nothing is said of a child between 11 and 12, and between 15 and 16 years of age... That's a lacuna

Did you also see that consent can be granted thereby making the defilement null and void

So an amendment is needed to state clearly that having sex with a girl under 18 is guilty of statutory rape whether there is consent or not.

Come on, google.com, ageofconsent.net and other activists agitating for the age of consent to be raised are no fools...

It’s NOT a lacuna...
Because in law, there’s nothing like in-between ages.

Accordingly, in the eyes of the law, you are 11 until you become 12...
Eg, if the law prevents people 17 years and less from drinking, you do not start drinking until you are 18.

Yet again, please desist with the ageofconsent.net....
There’s something called ‘parachute analysts’ and that site is obviously one of those.

When we have MULTIPLE sources of VERIFIABLE public law...
You insist on overriding them with some website whose authors could be some ignoramuses stuck in a basement.
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Donaldoni:
Nope. Otherwise there would have been no need for an amendment.

Since 11 was stated and no less, then it means 11 is the least age of consent.
This is why the internet considers this as our age of consent.

Again, you are incorrect...

11 years was NOT “stated and no less” (Section 7(2))....
Rather, Section 7(3) states 15 years, and Section 7(4) states 18 years

What the amendment seeks is merely to coalesce these 3 subsections into one...
In other words, by retaining only 18 years, it necessarily includes both 11 and 15 years.

It is to address a drafting dissonance, and not a substantive issue...
For though it’s poorly-drafted, it nonetheless CLEARLY stipulates life imprisonment for defiling anyone under 18 years!
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Donaldoni:
Nope. Otherwise there would have been no need for an amendment.

Since 11 was stated and no less, then it means 11 is the least age of consent.
This is why the internet considers this as our age of consent.

Again, you are incorrect...

11 years was NOT “stated and no less” (Section 7(2))....
Rather, Section 7(3) states 15 years, and Section 7(4) states 18 years

What the amendment seeks is merely to coalesce these 3 subsections into one...
In other words, by retaining only 18 years, it necessarily includes both 11 and 15 years.

Granted it seems a poorly-drafted bill...
But nonetheless it CLEARLY stipulates life imprisonment for defiling anyone under 18 years!
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ejanla077:
if you want to criticise do so with fact.. If you have nothing to say observe... Do you kno how many police check point in Anambra. Army and navy too.. Obiano bought bikes for police patrol too

First, if you allow yourself to read and actually UNDERSTAND....
You will see that my peeve is not directed specifically against Obiano.

Nonetheless, the whole idea of forums like this is for folks to share and LEARN...
If there’s something you think you know that perhaps others mightn’t, you share and we all LEARN!
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Asour:
True.

However, let me assure you that there are a lot of sickos out there in the world.

There are more than a few stories of leaders(perhaps, rulers) who were killed due to their simplicity/ease of reach.
Also there is virtually nothing like "peace time" in Nigeria where info availability (of your movement) could be the difference between a safe journey and a botched kidnap attempt in many cities (For high profile Nigerians).

You'll know this when you become "that" high profile.

There are a lotta "sickos" out there — Red (Angry bird).

That’s why I put ‘peace’ in quotes...

Nonetheless, being “high profile” shouldn’t give anyone a right to any more of the commonwealth or state’s resources than anyone else. The resources of the state and the instrument of government are supposed to be deployed primarily for benefit of the governed MASSES, rather than for those who are supposed to be doing the governing or a privileged handful of so-called “high profile” persons (who presumably can hire their own security, if necessary). And frankly if the state/country is not peaceful, it is the fault of the rulers and they should not be insulated therefrom.

Anyway, it is said that no one can climb your back (or frankly sodomize you) unless you are bent over.
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Anambralstson:
If Lagos will have Eko Convention Centre, why Anambra will not build international conference center for eastern region?

Eko Convention Center is a PRIVATE development...
If it’s viable, the private sector would build one without wasting GOVT funds that could go towards more schools and hospitals.
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Anambralstson:
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One of my pet peeves in Nigeria...

Look at the number of armed security guarding ONE person in ‘peace’ time (and it’s not just Gov Obiano or other governors, but many other political officeholders as well). Meanwhile you cannot see a single armed patrol on the major highways.

Our rulers (very few of them are truly leaders in any meaningful sense) do not understand the basic concept of government at all. Accordingly, they use the instrumentalities of government for the governing class rather than for the governed masses.
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Frankly, I only want to see Gov Obiano (and other governors) visiting Coronavirus isolation centers and testing labs.
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ayukdaboss:
If we don’t follow appropriate measures to contain this virus, it might be very unfortunate. It’s highly possible that right now there are people moving around with this virus in Nigeria which these Health Agencies don’t even know about. FG close border o and restrict people traveling in from high risk countries, dem no gree. We’re playing with this outbreak

It’s possible there are people all over the world moving around with the virus that no one knows because they’re asymptomatic, but they could still spread the virus to others. The reality therefore is that unless every human is tested, the next best thing is (apart from restricting travel from and to high-risk nations) to test and/or self-isolate everyone coming into the country. Doubtful ANY country currently has the capacity to do so.

Good luck to us all.
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0m0nnakoda:
Can you tell your father he is a disgrace because he does not know what you think he should know?

Can you call your own father or mother a “riff raff”?!

Frankly, I usually ignore folks like you who resort to personal insults/attacks...
It merely betrays a lack of substance and most often a crude family upbringing.
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obinoral1179:
it's not an insults but it's a shame that you don't know that Yoruba is not our common language but you choose to support that.. it's only at the constituency of obasa that I found myself giving your money so as not to lose my phone.

Don’t take @0m0nnakoda seriously....
Rather rich when someone calling others “riff raff” would bitch about personal insults. SMH
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Oladayo12:
When was english an official language in lagos state a yoruba land

oluwaseyi000:
No, but Yoruba is the official language of Lagos and Obasa is not speaker of Nigeria

datola:
How did being able to "construct one proper sentence in English" become measure of intelligence

Not a measure of intelligence...
But a measure of capacity to competently do his job.

The daily deliberations of the Assembly are conducted in ENGLISH...
The laws, rules and regulations governing the Assembly are in ENGLISH.

The reports (and even hearings) of the Assembly are in ENGLISH...
The resolutions, bills and/or laws enacted by the Assembly are in ENGLISH.

Even a single word in a law can make all the difference...
So competency in ENGLISH is relevant to the competent functioning of his office.
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Donaldoni:
But 11 was also provided. Until, the coalescion is done, 11 stands.

If it were stated authoritatively stated as 18 there would have been no need for amendment.

Anybody can intepret the bill as they wish but those who are smart (google, ageofconsent. net. protesting activists and co) know what it really is.

And why were you quoting outdated laws Ab initio?

No, it doesn’t “stand” in the way you are using the term....

It only “stands” in the manner that 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 “stands” as NOT contrary to 18...
In other words, anyone UNDER 18 (including but not limited to 11) are regarded as BELOW the age of consent.
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0m0nnakoda:
That is why I don't mix with riffraffs.
Legislators are not draftsmen. THAT is a technical job for lawyers who receive specific training to perform that TECHNICAL task

You are here championing English which you scarcely comprehend.

Where did I DEFEND Obasa? FROM what exactly.

I am solidly behind any person who speaks Yoruba fluently to be a legislator in Lagos. Quite how that translates into a defence of Obasa eludes me.

The reality is your grasp of English is atrocious and you should spend your neurotic energies improving that since it is ,to you , a mark of accomplishment and distinction.

Once again legislators are not legal draftsmen and don't have to be.
Their job is to agree on a legislative objective and the draftsman fleshes it out

There is nothing in the constitution saying laws cannot be enacted in Yoruba.

That is where we are heading

You mean like Obasa?!

Btw, it’s “riff raff”....
Both singular and plural are the same.

Meanwhile, draftsmen do NOT conduct Assembly deliberations...
Neither do they conduct hearings nor pass Assembly resolutions.

Even laws drafted by draftsmen still has to be completely understood/explainable by legislators...
Sadly, that’s why in Nigeria a whole Police IG was stumbling over “transmission” in a written speech! SMH
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surgical:
He has done his part, he owes his constituency nothing, at every election cycle they collect what they want upfront,in cash,kind ,and materials, the development of the constituency is usually not part of the bargain,that is why you see the electorates returning them again and again

WOW! He is literally there to REPRESENT the interests of his constituents...
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0m0nnakoda:
Is there a reason you quoted me?

Is there a point you are trying to make?

If you are confused why you were quoted...
Then it’s easy to understand why you are defending Obasa!

The daily deliberations of the Assembly is in ENGLISH...
The laws, rules and regulations governing the Assembly is in ENGLISH.

The reports (and even hearings) of the Assembly are in ENGLISH...
The resolutions, bills and/or laws enacted by the Assembly is in ENGLISH.

Even a single word in a law can make all the difference...
So his Yoruba mastery is IRRELEVANT to the competent functions of his office.
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nairavsdollars:
How did that man that can't construct one proper sentence in English become speaker?

Please don’t mind our people and their LOW BOTTOM-SCRAPPING standards...
Blathering on about Yoruba language, when the Assembly deliberations (and laws) are in English.

Speaking of bottom-scrapping...
One suspects that in reality his single most important qualification is scrapping ass at Bourdillon.
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0m0nnakoda:
He can construct in Yoruba which is enough in Lagos State
How many legislators in England can construct sentences in Yoruba?

DenreleDave:
Yoruba is the official language of southwest of which Lagos is included.. So pls fvck offf

Unfortunately, the Laws of Lagos are NOT drafted/written in Yoruba...
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Edoloaded:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11214567_img20200316172323_jpegce5890a284ff4bbd9f420fa5afa06116

“I hope you don’t have Coronavirus”
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Donaldoni:
I was about to let you off the hook until I came across the sexual offences bill of 2015. You can google it. It caused serious furore at the time it was passed.

This is where the basis of our age of consent being 11 comes from.

It supersedes all the other laws. And that is what ageofconsent.net and others are relying and why pressure groups are calling for our age of consent to be raised.

Thankfully the reps are trying to repeal it.

https://punchng.com/reps-defines-minor-in-new-sexual-offences-bill/

For now, it is what is it. Statutory rape is rape of anybody under 11.

According to the article that you linked...
What Rep Peller was trying to do is to coalesce all the subsections into one section.

In other words, each subsection provides for the same life sentence for different age groups...
And he was seeking to clear any perceived ambiguity by just listing the top age provided (18 years).

See this article for clarity: https://dubawa.org/nigerias-sexual-offences-bill-stipulates-18-years-not-11-years-age-consent/
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Donaldoni:
I was about to let you off the hook until I came across the sexual offences bill of 2015. You can google it.

This is where the basis of our age of consent being 11 comes from.

It supersedes all the other laws. And that is what ageofconsent.net and others are relying and why pressure groups are calling for our age of consent to be raised.

Thankfully the reps are trying to repeal it.

https://punchng.com/reps-defines-minor-in-new-sexual-offences-bill/

For now, it is what is it. Statutory rape is rape of anybody under 11.

I am well aware of the Sexual Offenses Act...
Which actually provides for LIFE IMPRISONMENT for “defilement” of anyone under 18.

https://allafrica.com/stories/201506170104.html
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UnknownT:
I came to see him point

amamkingchimex:
All I see is a man desperately resisting the urge to point

Nairalanders will not kee person abegi...
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Nnannapat:
Lagos state government sets up a committee to investigate the cause of the explosion, when scrap metal scavengers has carted away all the metal debris at the crime scene.

I swear this country is at par with Papua New Guinea.

Please don’t insult Papua New Guinea!
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Jms85:
Visiting there is never a need....type wit sense abeg..

Abegi, don’t take it literally...
Dude is only using ‘Nigerian English’
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