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LabDNA:
The NCDC hardly even answer calls to their phones, people have written so many bad reviews due to the distateful encounter they had trying to reach them. Yet you expect them to routinely send sample swabsticks to people's home?

Get real bro, they are overwhelmed already, they should decentralize and publish partner labs and hospitals in every state where people can go and get their samples collected, for onward transportation under controlled mileu.

Assymptomatic and symptomatic patients should all be tested.

Of course, ideally they all should be tested...
But Nigeria does not have the resources to do so (yet), so it accords PRIORITY to high-risk cases.

Meanwhile, NO nation on earth has been able to test all asymptomatic and symptomatic cases...
Not even the world’s richest ever nation is able to give a test to all who seek it (including symptomatic cases).
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favor2016:
This is not a testing centre but isolation centre

What clued you in, Einstein?
The LARGE sign that reads “Lagos State Isolation Center Onikan”?!
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LabDNA:
Sorry, you cannot be tested anywhere. These are phases of chain of custody for the sample.
First you go to a collection center/ test center, the sample is collected, the test is then run.

All these phases require full biosafety control measures from pre-analytic to analytic to post-analystic phase.
There are some private labs that have attained 2,3, 4 star accreditation, like EL-LAB in Surulere. They can be called in by NCDC to help to collate samples. Those who can't run the tests can simply collect the labeled samples and send to labs with the reagents, equipment and capacity to test and transmit confirmed results to the NCDC.

My advocacy is for decentralizing the collection/testing centres, to encourage more people to go for compulsory testing. Having 10,000 people gather in a teaching hospital waiting to get tested is not feasible and safe now.

Decentralizing the testing structure will ultimately increase the testing pool and give us a proper representation on the actual number of cases.

You can...

The protocol thus far is that when a suspected case is reported, the NCDC sends someone to the home to take a sample...
Presumably, the NCDC (or its agents) simply do not chock the samples into their bags or an envelope to be DHL-ed to the labs.

Of course, if the person is already symptomatic, he/she is taken to a biosecurity (or an isolation) facility and tested there...
If such a person is confirmed as positive, they remain at the isolation center. Otherwise, they are released (eg, the woman in Enugu State).
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sapientia:
Analyze the test for what?

A sample is taken from a suspected case (which can be done ANYWHERE, even in your home)...
The sample is taken to the closest of these 7 labs (each has the reagents required for COVID-19 tests), for analysis and confirmation (or not).
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MrDebonair:
I have suggested to the health minister on why there should be testing and isolation centres in each states. As at today all testing centres are located majorly in South west and Abuja. What happens to South east and the Northern regions?

Off what benefit is it to saving lives when isolation centres have only beds with no ventilators. Average time frame for patients on ventilator to recovery is 9 days. What is the Federal Govt doing to acquire more ventilators?

Nigeria still has time to suppress the spread and prepare for cases but the time is being wasted.

Companies like Innoson and others should be working with the government to build ventilators...
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LabDNA:
Some Private medical laboratories should be called in and funded to increase the number of tests done per day. The percentage of positive tests per test pools scares me.
25% of all tests conducted in Nigeria are positive, while in UK it is below 15%.

This is really scary.

Capable private laboratory should be called in and funded to either become Covid testing centers or sample collection centers.

The Medical Laboratory Scientists should be life insured and paid handsomely. Private labs who decide to volunteer their facilities as collection centers should be paid a sensible grant/aid.

These are perilous times.

The biggest issue has not really been laboratories or test centers (you can be tested anywhere), nor even test kits, but rather reagents which are in short supply because virtually EVERY nation is going through the same thing (virtually unprecedented in public health) and need same.

The percentage of positive test results in Nigeria is almost certainly higher than it would be if Nigeria tested a broader spectrum of its population (as the UK, that you use as an example). However, given the relatively scarce testing resources in Nigeria (particularly the reagents), Nigeria prioritizes its testing regime towards persons who have recently returned from trips abroad AND/or are showing actual symptoms. In effect, it is akin to testing drug-users and gays for HIV. The testing pool thus far is NOT (necessarily) representative of the general population.
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TheGoodJoe:
We need a lab in Rivers State. The population of Port Harcourt is numerous and we were identified as one of the State with a high risk possibility by WHO.

I agree...
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Efizzi:
I expect atleast a Testing and treatment center in the entire 36 states in Nigeria. Locking down states will not totally solve the problem. We need testing and treatment centers nationwide

MrDebonair:
I have suggested to the health minister on why there should be testing and isolation centres in each states. As at today all testing centres are located majorly in South west and Abuja. What happens to South east and the Northern regions?

Off what benefit is it to saving lives when isolation centres have only beds with no ventilators. Average time frame for patients on ventilator to recovery is 9 days. What is the Federal Govt doing to acquire more ventilators?

Nigeria still has time to suppress the spread and prepare for cases but the time is being wasted.

awa:
Why can't this test Centre be in every state capital at least? The Govt is too slow about this

These are Labs, NOT testing centers...
You can be tested ANYWHERE, and the sample sent to the Labs.

Meanwhile, there are treatment and isolation centers in all 36 states plus Abuja...
Sadly, we have considerable experience with infectious diseases (Lassa Fever, Meningitis, etc.).

That said, virtually EVERY nation has struggled with COVID-19...
The rapid rate of infection has floored most, and EVERYONE is making it up as they go along.
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TheGoodJoe:
Not enough in any way.

The Federal and States Ministry of health need to show more proactive measures. We need more testing sites to match the possible spread and need to have a clear treatment plan.

Clothingonline9:
Heal the world Lord Jesus
South west 4 testing centers that’s why we have more cases here because of more test

These are Labs, NOT test centers...
Testing can be done ANYWHERE, and sent to the Labs for processing.

PS: Of course, more labs will hasten results.
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Seun:
Two!

Seriously, I wonder how many tests they can conduct per day. If it’s a high figure this could be significant.

emeijeh:
That's small.
This virus is something else!
2 is like nothing .
Even Newyork is overwhelmed

Happyguy201:
so you mean a country with over 200 million people only have few testing kit? may God punish these leaders . make this coronavirus kill all of them . amen

okpalaAnambra:
Labs are being opened up to important places, After Oyo and Ebonyi, next is Abia because humans who live there matter more and need to be taking care of, not our erosion ravaged enclave of Anambra, infact people dying in Anambra won't be worth and so we're all worthless in Anambra and should perish because we have no worth

sapientia:
6 all over Nigeria?

Can they please stop posting that figure they said they have confirmed.

Nigeria do not know the number of people positive since there are no test centres.

Please, all these kits of 10 mins and 5 mins being discovered, can't our FG be negotiating aggressively that test run of the kits be done in Nigeria.

Since Buhari have absconded from duty, one of the 36 Presidents we have now can still do it.

God forbid the wave of death starts now, its over.

All those billions donated, what are they using it for?

Though Nigerians need food now, priority and undivided focus should be channelled massive testing of Nigerians.

osydennyz:
Just imagine.... With a population of over 200 million people.....it will not be well with those government officials (past & present) feeding on allocations meant for our health sector........

These are laboratories...
They are NOT test centers.

PEOPLE CAN BE TESTED ANYWHERE...
And the tests sent to these 7 (not 2) labs for analysis.

PS: Of course more labs will make processing quicker.
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This was delivered in 5 (five) days...
THANK YOU GTBANK! EKO ONI BAJE!!

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Babatunde40:
Please read this carefully. Many Nigerians will get coronavirus, suffer the symptoms and recover from it without even knowing. REASON: We do not take tests in Nigeria.

I have seen Nigerians online make jest of South Africa because of their HIV positive percentage. Do you know the number of HIV positive people in Nigeria might be more than South Africa? South Africans are used to testing. Nigerians will not take a test unless the ailment is almost killing them. Most people who found out they are HIV positive in Nigeria found out when they were very sick. The hospital did a test and told. Some find out during medical tests for a job or visa. WE DO NOT TEST.

The government too do not take testing seriously. Why can't they providing testing centres in Teaching and General Hospitals across the country and make the test free. They can also make it mandatory. You will see that the number of people already with Covid 19 in Nigeria are over a thousand.

Finally, a law should be passed that all public office holders must make their health situation public. Imagine FG using Buhari's health to gamble with Nigerians' intelligence.

NO nation in the world currently has the capacity to test everyone, so it cannot be made mandatory.

Nonetheless, given its scarce testing resources (not only kits but reagents that are in demand all over globe), Nigeria is being smart by prioritizing the most probable candidates (those returning from abroad and showing or developing symptoms, and their contacts).

PS: Btw, HIV/AIDS has been around long enough that if Nigeria has a higher prevalence rate than South Africa, it would have long ago be evident from mortality rates. Meanwhile, Statistics South Africa (the equivalent of NBS) actually uses estimates and not necessarily raw numbers.
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linearity:
States can’t opt out of a federal mandate, Obamacare came with a out of clause or rather a teaser to allow states to opt in, the initial thinking was that no state could reject the robust offer to get her citizens insured.

Despite states opting out, there are federal exchanges and the fact that your state opt out does not mean as a citizen you are not required to obey the law, you either signed at a federal exchange or get fined, so in essence you are still under the federal guidelines.

Enumerated rights are not only constitutional, the problem you have is, you solely depend on google or third hand information for your option. Congress enacts laws everyday that are not enumerated in the constitution, those laws also become part of federal guidelines that all states at the minimum must follow. In the absent of a federal law or a constitutional enumerated rights, guidelines or laws, states can come in to enact theirs. I doubt know why you brought up MA, did that universal healthcare contravene all federal law? I never stated that states cannot enact their own laws or guidelines, all I stated is if there is a federal guideline or law, states must at the minimum follow them.

You clearly missed my point on someone having a ‘symptoms’. Your symptom must not necessarily lead to the diagnosis of covid-19. You only need to show some of the symptoms listed....it could just be an ordinary cough and the officials will make a judgment call if you qualify to take the test or could be a reaction to an allergy or anything.

The link you sent, does not in anywhere state that you can just show up at a test station without any symptoms and get tested. It still emphasized the fact that, you must show symptoms or get a doctor’s prescription. Getting a doctors’s or having travelled abroad or having been in contact with someone that had tested positive were the initial criteria to get tested. Showing of symptoms was recently added to eliminate the step of first visiting your doctors for a prescription. Within the last 24hrs, it has been added that if you are a first responder you can get tested, in fact new test stations have opened up that are strictly for first responders.

So, you still have not proven your point; show me a link that states they can test all comers, any and all persons that shows up. 1. It is stupid to test everyone that shows up without symptoms, script, travelled abroad, contact with someone with positive result; since you can get it anytime, so testing anyone that shows up makes no sense. 2. Test kits are limited in supply, CDC did not send unlimited approved kits to testing stations...this shortage have made some states to self sourced CDC approved test kits by themselves and they are not going to waste those kits...some states even stated, they will not test you even if you are showing symptoms unless if they determine that, a positive covid-19 test result will change your course of treatment, this is a more strict requirement from that of CDC, but it is in line as states can enact more strict ones.

No matter how available information is, they are always secondary to first hand information.

Not going to be bothered to expend time de-constructing your pedantic post...
But it is important enough to affirm that enumerated rights are ONLY found in the constitution.

I realize Nigerians are raised largely on a diet of “cram-and-recite” and thus would often regurgitate without real comprehension...
But frankly your posts are embarrassingly becoming classic examples of half-knowledge sometimes being even worse than none at all. SMH
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linearity:
States can’t opt out of a federal mandate, Obamacare came with a out of clause or rather a teaser to allow states to opt in, the initial thinking was that no state could reject the robust offer to get her citizens insured.

Despite states opting out, there are federal exchanges and the fact that your state opt out does not mean as a citizen you are not required to obey the law, you either signed at a federal exchange or get fined, so in essence you are still under the federal guidelines.

Enumerated rights are not only constitutional, the problem you have is, you solely depend on google or third hand information for your option. Congress enacts laws everyday that are not enumerated in the constitution, those laws also become part of federal guidelines that all states at the minimum must follow. In the absent of a federal law or a constitutional enumerated rights, guidelines or laws, states can come in to enact theirs. I doubt know why you brought up MA, did that universal healthcare contravene all federal law? I never stated that states cannot enact their own laws or guidelines, all I stated is if there is a federal guideline or law, states must at the minimum follow them.

You clearly missed my point on someone having a ‘symptoms’. Your symptom must not necessarily lead to the diagnosis of covid-19. You only need to show some of the symptoms listed....it could just be an ordinary cough and the officials will make a judgment call if you qualify to take the test or could be a reaction to an allergy or anything.

The link you sent, does not in anywhere state that you can just show up at a test station without any symptoms and get tested. It still emphasized the fact that, you must show symptoms or get a doctor’s prescription. Getting a doctors’s or having travelled abroad or having been in contact with someone that had tested positive were the initial criteria to get tested. Showing of symptoms was recently added to eliminate the step of first visiting your doctors for a prescription. Within the last 24hrs, it has been added that if you are a first responder you can get tested, in fact new test stations have opened up that are strictly for first responders.

So, you still have not proven your point; show me a link that states they can test all comers, any and all persons that shows up. 1. It is stupid to test everyone that shows up without symptoms, script, travelled abroad, contact with someone with positive result; since you can get it anytime, so testing anyone that shows up makes no sense. 2. Test kits are limited in supply, CDC did not send unlimited approved kits to testing stations...this shortage have made some states to self sourced CDC approved test kits by themselves and they are not going to waste those kits...some states even stated, they will not test you even if you are showing symptoms unless if they determine that, a positive covid-19 test result will change your course of treatment, this is a more strict requirement from that of CDC, but it is in line as states can enact more strict ones.

No matter how available information is, they are always secondary to first hand information.

Which doesn’t stop you commenting on current events in Nigeria...SMH
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Jaqenhghar:
Isolation is one way. What of the other meathod. The care .and quarantine of those who are sick ib a country with no health system. I see you have conveniently ignored that fact.

What are you going on about?
Where was the Italian who was the index case quarantined and cared for? On the moon?

Isolation is PREVENTIVE (which is always better than cure)...
But places like the Infectious Disease Hospital in Yaba (among others) provide “care and quarantine”.
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Kayceenaz:
It is becoming almost second nature for most Nigerians, both the educated and non-educated classes, to cross the line while pouring out their hearts on national issues. I agree, there are ample question marks on how the President Muhammadu Buhari-led government has acted on and reacted to socio-political, economic, and religious matters; spanning from federal character, insurgency, ethno-religious skirmishes, education, malfeasance, to now presidential invisibility before this coronavirus pandemic.

Naturally, we feel betrayed, used, and insignificant to the presidency. Not paling in comparison to status-quo that should be, your feelings are indeed valid. But letting this emotional pain lead you to hurl insults of all sorts at President Buhari, as rampant online, is an overreaction. As you call him unprintable, reprehensible names and ridicule him through jokes/memes, remember he is fallible, someone's husband, father, uncle, grandfather, and holds office of President of Nigeria. It is enough to beg to differ with and criticize constructively his leadership style plus policies. Using constitutional and moral means to show displeasure are in order. Look emotional intelligence's way.

Disturbingly, some people even wish Buhari death, hoping news of his demise filters in soonest. If that's not a representation of the Scriptures' observation that "The heart of man is desperately wicked," then it must be of something worse. If you fall in this category, kindly stop now! Such comments are humor taken too far.

As events unfold and we watch with disappointment, anticipating the National Assembly does the needful and saves the day, let us (Nigerians) amplify our voices to be critically loud enough, not insulting enough.


©Kaycee Naze,
Rational Pen.

Comes with the territory...
In a constitutional democracy, the President is a public SERVANT and not a monarch or an overlord.

While the ‘actions’ of some is to verbally abuse or insult him...
Difference is that his own actions (or inaction) can result in ACTUAL death or disability of their “husbands, fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc.”.
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Yenefer:
It is becoming almost second nature for most Nigerians, both the educated and non-educated classes, to cross the line while pouring out their hearts on national issues. I agree, there are ample question marks on how the President Muhammadu Buhari-led government has acted on and reacted to socio-political, economic, and religious matters; spanning from federal character, insurgency, ethno-religious skirmishes, education, malfeasance, to now presidential invisibility before this coronavirus pandemic.

Naturally, we feel betrayed, used, and insignificant to the presidency. Not paling in comparison to status-quo that should be, your feelings are indeed valid. But letting this emotional pain lead you to hurl insults of all sorts at President Buhari, as rampant online, is an overreaction. As you call him unprintable, reprehensible names and ridicule him through jokes/memes, remember he is fallible, someone's husband, father, uncle, grandfather, and holds office of President of Nigeria. It is enough to beg to differ with and criticize constructively his leadership style plus policies. Using constitutional and moral means to show displeasure are in order. Look emotional intelligence's way.

Disturbingly, some people even wish Buhari death, hoping news of his demise filters in soonest. If that's not a representation of the Scriptures' observation that "The heart of man is desperately wicked," then it must be of something worse. If you fall in this category, kindly stop now! Such comments are humor taken too far.

As events unfold and we watch with disappointment, anticipating the National Assembly does the needful and saves the day, let us (Nigerians) amplify our voices to be critically loud enough, not insulting enough.


©Kaycee Naze,
Rational Pen.

It comes with the territory...
The decisions he takes (or fails to take) also causes death and disability to people’s “husbands, fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc.”
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linearity:
It is really difficult to have an objective conversation with some of you, do you have any evidence that any of the public or CDC testing centers open to the public are testing anyone without symptoms or contact to someone who have tested positive?

You are more than 8000 miles away arguing baselessly, what has Federal system got to do with testing for disease? FYI, all the states follow CDC guidance in their testing. States can put more strict testing protocol, but they cannot be more relax than the federal guidance set in place by CDC.

NY & NJ have tested more people in their 10s of thousands than all the other states combined, even in some of these states; people with symptoms are having difficulty testing, those test sites are not as liberal and free as the ones in the North East.

You clearly does not know how a federated government work...in a federated system, states only have UN-enumerated rights....once rights and rules are set federally, all states in the federation must meet those minimum standards or guidance. Healthcare and medicine in the united states is enumerated and controlled federally and as such, all states must at the minimum meet the federal standards.

Not only is knowledge not tied to geography, but I would be remiss to fail to point out the stunning IRONY in the highlighted...

YOU are "more than 8,000 miles away" from Nigeria and yet presume to speak authoritatively about current events in Nigeria, but you nonetheless believe that folks who are "more than 8,000 away" from the US cannot rationally do so about the US - even though information is more reliable, more transparent and easier to obtain in the US and about the US than in Nigeria about Nigeria (even for those live in Nigeria). SMH
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linearity:
It is really difficult to have an objective conversation with some of you, do you have any evidence that any of the public or CDC testing centers open to the public are testing anyone without symptoms or contact to someone who have tested positive?

You are more than 8000 miles away arguing baselessly, what has Federal system got to do with testing for disease? FYI, all the states follow CDC guidance in their testing. States can put more strict testing protocol, but they cannot be more relax than the federal guidance set in place by CDC.

NY & NJ have tested more people in their 10s of thousands than all the other states combined, even in some of these states; people with symptoms are having difficulty testing, those test sites are not as liberal and free as the ones in the North East.

You clearly does not know how a federated government work...in a federated system, states only have UN-enumerated rights....once rights and rules are set federally, all states in the federation must meet those minimum standards or guidance. Healthcare and medicine in the united states is enumerated and controlled federally and as such, all states must at the minimum meet the federal standards.

I would like to think that my familiarity with the constitution dating back to high school (perhaps even grade school ) did not go to waste, so I would respectfully request that you please enlighten us as to which provision in Article 1 bestows enumerated powers to control healthcare on the federal government (and btw, ALL enumerated powers would be listed in Section 8, just in case you are confused where they would be listed).

Meanwhile, while you are searching, you might also seek an explanation as to why SEVERAL states opted out of the federal government's Obamacare Medicaid Expansion or why as many as 26 states opted out of the Obamacare's state insurance exchanges. In addition, perhaps you could explain why Massachusetts was the first (and only) state to enact a universal healthcare law in 2006, then non-existent at federal level.

I realize that it is feature of most Nigerian discourse to focus upon and personally attack or shade discussants rather than focus on the SUBSTANCE of the matter at hand, so while I am loathe to dignify personal attacks, rest assured that as someone born and educated in the United States (and did not have a Nigerian passport before relocation), I am well versed in the US federal (or "federated" as you call it) system.

Meanwhile, returning to the SUBSTANCE of the matter at hand, I have taken the liberty to quickly and cursorily dig up some easily- and publicly -available information on the DIFFERENT requirements of some of the DIFFERENT states that offer the so-called "drive-through" testing, and as can be clearly seen (see linked article below), DIFFERENT criteria apply but NONE requires only symptoms to qualify for testing.

Furthermore, even assuming arguendo that the presence of symptoms was somehow the sole criteria for testing in the US, given that the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in the US coincided with the thick of the flu season, it would obviously imply that many people were tested who were actually merely showing flu symptoms (which mirrors much of the COVID-19 symptoms), and thus still a wider testing pool than Nigeria's.

Finally, given the acute demographic difference between the population of the United States and Nigeria, as well as the massive disparity in international traffic into the US in comparison to international traffic into Nigeria, the notion of the disparity in the percentile of positive test results in Nigeria and the US as evidence of a sham process in Nigeria, frankly shows a rather poor grasp (even ignorance) of these matters.

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lexy2014:
It is actually a case of "government this, politician that" because at this stage, control will be very very difficult. D govt at both federal and state were busy dilly dallying in their usual incompetence, nonchalance & nepotism and allowed several people stroll into d country with d virus. They had no strategy to combat it despite d fact that unlike many countries in Europe, we had d advantage of time. People shouted and screamed that d airports be closed same way d borders were closed to rice& chicken but alas, nothing was done. From d first case from Italy & a few others from UK and with what we were seeing in other countries, it shouldn't have taken d govt much to sit down& get to work. When d dragon was just an egg, they didnt destroy it. Now they want to cut off d head of d dragon after it has hatched & grown

Are those countries that closed the borders before Nigeria doing any better?

Whether or not closing the airports would have resulted in fewer imported cases, without isolation and distancing the virus will still spread...
Conversely, if we largely socially isolate and distance, regardless of the number of infections, we would successfully flatten the infection curve.

The reality of this NEW novel coronavirus is that EVERY nation on earth was caught off-guard and is/was making it up as they go along...
But NO nation has/will successfully combat this scourge without CITIZEN action. Thus, what ALL NIGERIANS (or residents) do will be decisive.
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Sunofgod:
Good ....greedy stingy man.

He no reach you?

Someone who has a US$1.2 charitable foundation is "stingy"?
Many Nigerians think it is about sharing money on street corners and motor-parks, and have folks hailing you as "baba".
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Jaqenhghar:
Una never see anything. All this curfew is a way to draw attention form the fact that the Nigger government has not taken any practical measure to actively tackle this shìt. This lockdown is done with hopes that the virus will blow away soon. I say they are just punishing people unecessaary for tgeir failings.

As I wrote here on NL a few days ago (based on the medical evidence thus far)...
COVID-19 is a coronavirus (like the flu), with a less than 2-week span, and has shown an over 80% survival rate, and many cases asymptomatic.

Accordingly, the greatest danger of COVID-19 thus far is its rapid rate of transmission, which left unchecked will inevitably overwhelm the healthcare system by sheer numbers (as we have already seen in several other places). The best way to combat such a surge is to break/slow the transmission chain social isolation and distancing. Done assiduously, this would flatten the curve of infection and afford the healthcare system the respite to deal with the sick in much the same manner that it deals with other coronaviruses (such as the flu).

This is NOT going to be a case of "government this, politicians that"...
This time EVERYONE has a role to play, and our COLLECTIVE conduct will determine COVID-19's impact on Nigeria! Good luck to us all!
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Eko oni Baje!

BUT WHAT EXACTLY WILL A CURFEW ACHIEVE?
Is COVID-19 only transmitted during certain hours of the day or night?!
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RIP...

OrestesDante:

Bad riddance to a good man

O boy! He holds a strategic position but let himself down by his own Foolishness.

How could you have posted such a piece of information when you aren't sure?

You led your Soldiers to the Sea without a battle

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