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ZOO!

Even if you want to close down the establishment, why demolish the building which could easily be put to other/different usage?!
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veesion:
Rail,Good roads and electricity is about just what the poor masses of this country need right about now if we want to prioritize needs not mega bus stops.if there are private people who want where to invest money govt can grant them rebates and other forms of encouragement in some of these key areas she has failed

First, this is a PPP project, so it's mostly private capital anyway which will be recouped over a period of time but which would also serve to motivate the private partners to ensure that the facility is well-managed and well-maintained (which most Nigerians, even on this thread, mostly worry/complain about) so as not to lose their investment.

Nonetheless, what exactly about this project makes you think of it as mutually-exclusive with "rails, good roads and electricity"? After you build the good roads, will the "poor masses" jump onto the cars plying those roads as the cars drive by? Do the "poor masses" have cars that they cannot use to make money because of the lack of good roads? Isn't it some of those "poor masses" who will be employed to work in this facility and/or in business operating in/generated by this facility?

Not sure where you reside (because it obviously does not appear to be in Lagos), but anyone remotely familiar with the old Oshodi realizes that this Oshodi Interchange project is an EXISTENTIAL development for Oshodi and Lagos (including for the "poor masses" that reside in Oshodi). It not only comes with the economic benefit of consolidating the chaotic 13 "bus parks" run by touts and Agberos in the area and upgrading the buses used by the "poor masses" from the dangerous Danfo (often operated by drunk drivers and inside which citizens regularly get robbed) with safer and more comfortable buses, but it has the added social benefit of cleaning out that area of the pickpockets, molesters and touts who previously made the area unsafe and hellish. In addition, the increased human traffic of the many people using (or transiting through) the terminal in a safer environment should boost nearby business.

Not exactly sure what your real gripe is since the Lagos government is building a mass rail transit system, as well as building and rebuilding roads. In fact, the Lagos government has taken it upon itself (using Lagos' taxpayers' funds) to rebuild/expand neglected federal government roads like the Badagry Expressway and the Airport Expressway. This is in addition to the over 450 inner/feeder roads across all the 57 LCDAs (and LGAs) constructed/reconstructed/upgraded during the tenure of Mr. Ambode (which in accordance with the Lagos road building code enacted under Mr. Fashola's administration, comes complete with the statutorily-stipulated requirements of covered drainage/sidewalks and street lighting), using primarily local and/or neighborhood-based contractors where suitable and thus boosting the local (or community) economy and providing jobs for the "poor masses"!

Finally, even though under Nigeria's peculiar and tortured "federal" system, electricity is under the purview of the federal government in far-away Abuja, the Lagos government has nonetheless embarked on at least 5 IPP projects (Akute IPP, Mainland IPP, Island IPP, Alausa IPP and Lekki IPP) which ensures there is 24/7 power for all public and general hospitals, public buildings, street lights and state tertiary education institutions, among others. In addition, it has sought to push the needle by enacting the Lagos Electricity Sector Act that encourages the development of captive/off-grid and embedded electricity and provides financial guarantees and protections for DISCOs operating in Lagos.

Let's not even delve into how the Lagos government actually helps the "poor masses" by providing FREE education to over ONE MILLION students in its 1,600+ public schools, or the artisanal and skill development training provided by the state to artisans, technicians and sundry other unskilled and semi-skilled residents. So, please some of you seriously need to disabuse yourselves of tired and worn cliches. Development is neither linear nor piecemeal, but actually happens simultaneously across several fronts (of which enhancing/improving mass public transportation is one). Nevertheless, what most helps to lift "poor masses" out of poverty is INCREASING ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, not charity.
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anonimi:
What happened to the billions already "spent" on the project, including the World Bank loan

Do you live in Lagos?
Don't you see the civil works, the rail line, the elevated tracks along the Marina, and the Lagoon Bridge currently being built?

advocate666:
Why did she run back after? Telling us how good her Zoo is from far away USA.

The mumu was praising the ceremony she attended but couldn't even stay and enjoy the ceremony because she had to go and sit in 4 hour traffic so she wouldn't miss her flight.

When I get my own visa and fly out, I will probably start loving the Zoo as well.

Some Nigerians never miss an opportunity to miss the point!

Point is, Nigeria (like life itself) is NOT a homogeneous experience. Two visitors with similar backgrounds and yet two completely different experiences. The danger of a single narrative is trying to extrapolate reality from one's own narrow and limited experiences. SMH
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Beware of the dangers of a single narrative...
Here's the testimony of a first-time returnee to Nigeria.

Few things in life are black-and-white, certainly not Nigeria!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbnkcNVrrC8

Nigerian "journalists" and their stories...
Trying hard to create something out of total speculation! SMH

kratos12345:
Brother, the truth is far from you. If you are in this government, a Fulani or a core northerner, you cannot think of leaving here. Of a truth, no normal, organised and well structured being will be happy about this most useless country call Nigeria.

People build countries, not the other way around...
Ultimately, Nigeria is the creation of ALL Nigerians (by commission or omission).
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KnowAll:
Why are we reconstructing a 2 Lane Lagos to Ibadan expressway 41 years after it was constructed. It was constructed and opened in 1978.

Nigeria's first dual carriageway. Yet 41 years after we are still reconstructing a 2 Lane road to Ibadan when we should be constructing a minimum of 4 lanes. Are we saying vechilar traffic has not increased.

NA WA 4 Naija.

But we are also reconstructing the Badagry Expressway (which I believe was built about the same period) from 4 lanes to 10 lanes with a light rail line, (see the Airport Road too), so the story of Nigeria is NOT a single narrative. Beware of the dangers of a single narrative!
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slimfit1:
Lagos have enough funds to carry out other task while still doing the rail line. We have some many root which we can raise money and make Lagos a true centre of excellence.

But Lagos has continuously worked on the rail project...
It’s not like it’s been abandoned (the current phase of the Lagoon Bridge is in itself a complex engineering undertaking).
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EKO ONI BAJE!

Funny enough, I discussed mass water transportation plans in Lagos on another thread this morning.
https://www.nairaland.com/5185005/night-view-terminal-3-oshodi/5#78386344

9jaRealist:
But Lagos is developing water transportation and fixing inner roads.

Again, one has to bear in mind the real CONSTRAINTS of operating within Nigeria's tortured overly-centralized "federal" system, because Lagos fought Abuja for many years to be able to develop internal waterways in Lagos since the development and control of internal waterways in Nigeria is under the exclusive purview of the National Internal Waterways Authority (a federal government agency).

Nonetheless, since reaching a compromise with the federal government/NIWA, the Lagos government has set about building many new ferry terminals/jetties (the most visible of course of which is the ultramodern Five Cowries Terminal at Falomo (Ikoyi), but also includes the just-commissioned terminal at Ilaje-Bariga and existing terminals/jetties at Badore and Ipakodo in the Ikorodu area) at Badagry (one at VIP Chalet and another at Isalu-Ajido), Apa Waterfront, Baiyeku Waterfront, Offin Waterfront, Liado Waterfront in Amuwo-Odofin, Ilashe-Ojo Waterfront, Ito Omu Waterfront in Epe, and Takwa Bay. Together with the construction of these new terminals/jetties (with shelters), the state government has in addition embarked upon shoreline protection and the dredging and channelization of new major ferry routes including the Ijede-Badore, Baiyeku-Ajah, Ebute Ojo-Marina, and Ijede-Marina routes. Each of these routes involve creating a path of 40 meters width and five meters minimum depth to accommodate bigger vessels, in anticipation of increased utilization of ferry/water transportation by Lagosians.
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veesion:
Forget matter joor u and I live in this country we cannot move forward when their is INJUSTICE in d land we are saying the obvious
Tell me which infrastructure government properly maintains in this country. to maintain common secondary school name rocket science for them
Many things are wrong about this country and we keep pretending and are busy building castles in d air
This is another misplaced priority and gross waste of funds,see what they are building when plenty peeps around cannot afford to eat

The most optimal way to help "plenty peeps around who cannot afford to eat" is to develop Lagos (including massive investment in infrastructure), which will attract investment and create jobs, generating wealth and revenue for the public treasury (including from corporate and income taxes from those new business and jobs, VAT and other such sources in an economically-vibrant environment), and then using such increased revenue for public and social spending (in areas such as public education and healthcare, mass public transportation, affordable and/or social housing, etc.). It is not by sharing what amounts to meaningless and miniscule amounts of funds to largely-unproductive populations, as Mr. Buhari is doing with his N5K per month electoral bribe, also known as the federal government's Social Investment Program.
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King44:
one of the things the government can do to maintain this edifice for very long time is to hand it over to private firms for management, and widen the roads leading to the edifice and also give handle the edifice and environment just like an airport I don't know a better way to express my opinion, in fact putting a military stand there so that agberos won't trespass is not bad, something should be done abeg, I love the project

veesion:
Forget matter joor u and I live in this country we cannot move forward when their is INJUSTICE in d land we are saying the obvious
Tell me which infrastructure government properly maintains in this country. to maintain common secondary school name rocket science for them
Many things are wrong about this country and we keep pretending and are busy building castles in d air
This is another misplaced priority and gross waste of funds,see what they are building when plenty peeps around cannot afford to eat

The Oshodi Interchange is Private-Public Partnership (PPP) project being developed primarily with private capital from (or at least, part-financed by) Translink Capital Development Limited and Planet Projects. It will therefore be principally operated and run by private operators and thus unlikely to suffer the maintenance woes of public infrastructure in Nigeria.
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anonimi:
Instead of building five more bus stops, how about completing just one phase of the light rail after all these decades? What of the waterways and ferry services? Not forgetting the dilapidated roads all over the state, especially the feeder roads?
How many mega cities with less population than Lagos have metro since forever
Don't we have any shame?

But Lagos is developing water transportation and fixing inner roads.

Again, one has to bear in mind the real CONSTRAINTS of operating within Nigeria's tortured overly-centralized "federal" system, because Lagos fought Abuja for many years to be able to develop internal waterways in Lagos since the development and control of internal waterways in Nigeria is under the exclusive purview of the National Internal Waterways Authority (a federal government agency).

Nonetheless, since reaching a compromise with the federal government/NIWA, the Lagos government has set about building many new ferry terminals/jetties (the most visible of course of which is the ultramodern Five Cowries Terminal at Falomo (Ikoyi), but also includes the just-commissioned terminal at Ilaje-Bariga and existing terminals/jetties at Badore and Ipakodo in the Ikorodu area) at Badagry (one at VIP Chalet and another at Isalu-Ajido), Apa Waterfront, Baiyeku Waterfront, Offin Waterfront, Liado Waterfront in Amuwo-Odofin, Ilashe-Ojo Waterfront, Ito Omu Waterfront in Epe, and Takwa Bay. Together with the construction of these new terminals/jetties (with shelters), the state government has in addition embarked upon shoreline protection and the dredging and channelization of new major ferry routes including the Ijede-Badore, Baiyeku-Ajah, Ebute Ojo-Marina, and Ijede-Marina routes. Each of these routes involve creating a path of 40 meters width and five meters minimum depth to accommodate bigger vessels, in anticipation of increased utilization of ferry/water transportation by Lagosians.

Meanwhile, the Ambode government has constructed/reconstructed/rehabilitated/upgraded approximately 450 inner/feeder roads across all 57 LCDAs (and LGAs), each in accordance with the Lagos State road building code enacted under previous governor Fashola (that is, with covered drainage, sidewalks and street lighting). In fact, as part of the development of the new Ilaje-Bariga Ferry Terminal, the existing Illaje Road was rebuilt and upgraded into a wider carriageway, with a dedicated bicycle lane, street lights and covered drains which serve as sidewalks.

Doing BETTER is always a GOOD thing. Let's not let perfection (which should be our ideal) become the enemy doing better!
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anonimi:

TTC in talks to sell old trains to Lagos. Are they safe enough?
AUGUST 10, 2011

Please see one of my prior post above.. The plan to buy used NYC subway cars have been scrapped and instead agreement signed with France's Alstom (a global rail transportation behemoth with operations in over 60 counties) to finance/acquire more modern rolling stock.
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slimfit1:
Please don't make excuses for him he could have done it if he really wanted to finish it.

I don't know that he could have "finished it" in his 4-year term, given that it took the NNPC 3 of those years to relocate its pipelines, not to mention the debacle with the military to demolish part of the Ojo Cantonment that abuts on the Blue Line's right-of-way (or alternatively compel another redesign and realignment of the Blue Line).

Nonetheless, I suspect that if Mr. Ambode was single-minded about the Light Rail project he probably could have pushed it a lot further towards completion, but of course such single-minded prioritization would necessarily have come at the cost of several other important responsibilities of the state (healthcare, education, physical infrastructure, LSETF, etc.), because when you divert previously non-budgeted hundreds of billions of naira from the state treasury towards just one project, there's an opportunity cost involved.

At the end of the day, however, it is likely to be an improved project (all things being equal) with the electrification of the rails and (hopefully) the sort of better rolling stock that may entice many in the middle class to park their cars and instead utilize mass rail transit where available.
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iammo:
This is lovely, but i wish Ambode paid more effort to the Light rail. this terminal looks exactly like a foriegn subway station

slimfit1:
The light railway would have been better.

It’s not an “either-or” situation, as both are not mutually-exclusive and would ultimately complement each other.

The Light Rail project is a much more complex and expensive project, and since the Oshodi Interchange is a PPP (private-public partnership) project, it was probably the lower hanging fruit of the two in a situation of relatively scarce resources. Nonetheless, work continued (and continues) under the Ambode administration on the Light Rail project, particularly on the rail bridge over the Lagoon that is now well-advanced and headed towards completion. There was also the agreement entered into with Alstom (the global rail infrastructure giant) to electrify the Blue Line and to source and finance the acquisition of modern rolling-stock (instead of the previously-sought used NYC subway cars).

The Lagos Light Rail project also succinctly illustrates the constraints of Nigeria’s peculiar overly-centralized “federal” system. The Red Line was the first line that was proposed to be built because it would utilize the Nigeria Railway Corporation’s existing right-of-way. Unfortunately, the previous federal administration interminably delayed the approval to use said RoW, compelling the Lagos Government to change course and embark on the Blue Line instead. This however meant an extensive redesign and realignment of the Blue Line, which was initially designed to end at Iddo. In addition, it took the NNPC over 3 years to remove/relocate its pipelines along the Blue Line’s RoW, causing delays.

Finally, when discussing the cost of the Light Rail project, bear in mind that when it was launched in 2008 the exchange rate was approximately N118/$1. Presently it is approximately N363/$1 (after rising to as much as N520/$1 a couple of years ago). Accordingly, if (for example) the project is to cost $1 billion (N118 billion at launch), it means that the Lagos government now has to find an ADDITIONAL N245 billion just to be able to pay for the same project (that is, even without accounting for any project or cost variation). Given all of the foregoing, the Bus Reform Initiative (pursuant to which the Oshodi Interchange was built) was probably the far more expedient project.
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PusssyLord:
The national stadium was like this when it was 1st opened. The truth is, this was one of the reasons Ambode was kicked out. He tried modernising the transport sector which will automatically take away the milk from Tinubu's mouth as well as his demons. Now that a stooge was successfully planted with the help of siddon look lagosians, McOluomo and his boys will take over the structure in 12months 13 weeks

The National Stadium in Surulere is owned (and not maintained) by the federal government, not Lagos State.

And so is the National Theatre in Iganmu, TBS, the Independence Building, etc., as well as the Airport Road and the Badagry Expressway that Lagos State has taken upon itself to renovate at the state’s (and state taxpayers’) expense rather than interminably wait for Abuja.
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bravehost4u:
concrete is used to build infrastructures. infrastructures attract investments, Investments attract employment, more taxes to the government.. which in turn government uses to build more infrastructures. Please what is people development?
If I may add, materials for these construction are sourced locally, labor is local too. More money in the hands of Ebonyi people.
You may claim he need to build schools, but the idea is; when the enabling environment is created, schools of international standards will be built by investors.
Despite these capital projects, I don't think he ever owes workers salary.

I weep for Abia State.

Yes, I would.

It is misplaced prioritization of the worst kind to embark on these expensive vanity projects (mega church, shopping mall, and recently reported an air-conditioned stadium) in a state where the schools are largely dilapidated and lacking in basic tools (reasonably certain that students in Ebonyi State lack modern learning tools like handheld devices and computers), teachers are mostly poorly-trained and even more poorly-remunerated, and are lacking in basic tools. The money for that church (and even the shopping mall) would have been better expended in providing educational aids, attracting broadband infrastructure, and upgrading teachers’ skills, capacity, housing and remuneration.
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bravehost4u:
concrete is used to build infrastructures. infrastructures attract investments, Investments attract employment, more taxes to the government.. which in turn government uses to build more infrastructures. Please what is people development?
If I may add, materials for these construction are sourced locally, labor is local too. More money in the hands of Ebonyi people.
You may claim he need to build schools, but the idea is; when the enabling environment is created, schools of international standards will be built by investors.
Despite these capital projects, I don't think he ever owes workers salary.

I weep for Abia State.

Known as Human Capital Development!
And rather shocking that you (and the Gov) apparently don’t grasp that it’s the single most important foundation for development.

The greatest resource of any nation (and/or state) is its HUMAN resources - not oil, solid minerals or (in the case of Ebonyi and many Nigerian states) going to Abuja every month to collect “federal allocation”. Conversely, physical infrastructure does not necessarily “attract” investment but rather functions more as SUPPORT for investment, but without the necessary predicate investments and conditions (an educated, skilled and healthy labor pool, investment-friendly policies and bureaucratic/regulatory support, among others), your glass tunnels and flyovers (and Nigerians do love their ‘flyovers’ even when it hardly seems necessary) substantively equate to the proverbial bridge to nowhere.

Furthermore, when you talk about infrastructure you seem to be limited to physical (or hard) infrastructure but clueless about SOFT (or social) infrastructure - to wit, healthcare, education, skill and capacity development. Yet it is the latter that is crucially foundational to economic development. What is the point of these vanity concrete structures (you refer them as “infrastructure” but things like a shopping mall and the mega church are certainly NOT infrastructure), when you have to use foreign expertise because your indigenous population is poorly-educated and largely unskilled (or poorly-skilled)? Who will operate/maintain them or will they be abandoned or decrepit in a few years?

Finally, I am at a complete loss at the reference to Abia State? Perhaps it was something discussed elsewhere (by other commenters) on the thread. Nonetheless, what I always hold great CONTEMPT for is when governments in Nigeria literally brag about paying their employees. It succinctly illustrates the sort of LOW (bottom-scraping) standards and expectations that pervade much of the Nigerian public space. SMH
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Tessyama1:
Controversial Nigerian feminist, Ozzy Etomi has revealed her theory about men who cry at their weddings.

According to her, she believes wholeheartedly that they have tendencies to be psychos.

"I have a theory about men who cry at their weddings.

There's nothing intellectual about the theory. I just think they have the tendency to be psychos. Don't ask me why, I don't know, but I believe it wholeheartedly." She wrote.

http://www.amagitesblog.com/2019/05/men-who-cry-at-their-weddings-have-psycho-tendencies-nigerian-lady.html

I have a theory about people who make obtuse posts on SM.

There’s nothing intellectual about the theory. I just think they have a tendency to be effing idi*ts. Don’t ask me why, I don’t know but I believe it wholeheartedly.

SMDH
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IamSoProlific:
I had an opportunity of marrying a Britain, but I always think to myself, what will our time be like when we all finally get old. To me family value is gold and divorce is- and will never be an option to me-it's never in our gene, I can't condone that either.

I want the kind of family my parents had, not this modern shiii reigning now, so I had to let the young lady go, no room for baby "fatherism" either, not even from her.

Meanwhile, all the best to them n their choices!

You mean Briton?

Anyway, don’t quite get the latter part of your gist given that there are many foreigners married to Nigerians (especially of our parents/grandparents generation), moved to and settled in Nigeria and in fact continue to live in Nigeria after the death of their Nigerian husbands (my mother, for example). I think if there’s s problem these days (apart from the obvious reality that divorce is much more common these days), it would be because some Nigerian men these days marry foreigners primarily to secure foreign residency/passport.
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AndroBlaze:
Mods stop being lazy.

This Besti guy keeps posting bogus articles supposed to be in "English" from this bogus site.

Does anyone think a learned judge would speak so mechanically?

Stop allowing him post under different aliases.

Na real wa o...

Was wondering myself what the article was going on about, since the NIC is neither a “new” court (having been established since 1976) nor is it headed by a “leader” (but by a President) and its judges are appointed the same way all other federal judges in Nigeria are appointed.

wisino1:
Ebonyi with low igr and federal allocation is really doing well with some signature project kudos to the governor

Vanity projects in a sea of poverty...
Someday Nigerians/Africans will finally learn that development is about PEOPLE not concrete. SMH
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GraGra247:
Useless bloggers. How do you know it belongs to her

Think it’s her dad’s car...

Let me laugh in Wazobia...

Because I called this for the Fake News it is on the original thread. The site that originated that story is well-known for heretic stories.
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Tunapa4u:
Pls which tv station show the match or which online app do you use to watch the match . thank you

Bros, try MyCujooTV...
They still have the past games up on the site.

DonX001:
Bros, you're still talking about individuals.
Look at the entire community... Nigeria as a whole. Not individual high fliers or outliers. Every community has high fliers and "low fliers", as well as outliers, the difference is in the percentage. That determines the overall characteristics of the population, even though there may be individual variations.

Lugard was writing about his impression of the overall community, that is why he said the typical African, not ALL Africans.
Look at the entire community of Nigerians as a whole, not just those you know personally. I can assure you that I probably know more high flying Nigerians personally than you do, head count for head count, including myself.

But that does not change the reality of the GENERAL population.

Look at the entire community.
Look at people's comments and reaction to topical issues generally, both on Nairaland and social media.
Look at people's values and opinions and actions. On the general community and not just those you know.

Look at it in reality, without idealist-tinted glasses.
And go read Lord Lugard's comments again, slowly, line by line, and compare what you read with the general population.

And tell me what you see.

PS:
Your point that we excel in other climes actually validates what I and Lord Lugard is saying- that while individually we can have excellent high fliers.....

Then why is our community as a whole not high flying, compared to other countries?? Why is our country and Africa generally still relatively backward compared to non-African countries like Malaysia, Dubai, Brazil that started around the same time as us, or even long after us?? Why are our own indigenes running away from our
own country to those other countries that started the same time, or even after us?? (I'm not even talking about first world countries ooo, just those that started developing with us or after us).

Because the general population overshadows the individual high fliers by virtue of the environment the entire population creates.

The reason why our general population and country is currently like this, is due to our inherent nature that Lord Lugard clearly pointed out.

We can choose to realize it, understand it and try and change it.
Or we can choose to ignore it and bury our heads in the sand like the ostrich.

I hope you get my point now.
Cheers.

PS: Again, NOPE! It's NOT about individuals.

I am well aware that many self-centered Nigerians like to think of themselves (and perhaps their immediate families) as 'exceptional' (and thus, for example, many Nigerians would loquaciously proclaim their own individual moral infallibility in the same breathe that they summarily declare all Nigerians as corrupt and crooked). Nonetheless, it would be illogical to think it merely coincidental or happenstance that persons of Nigerian descent OUTPERFORM the general population in places like the US (in terms of educational achievement and average income) and the UK. The fact that more than one generation of Nigerians in the US and UK have CONSISTENTLY over the past 30 to 40 years outperformed the general population (and in fact, Nigerians are the group with the largest percentage of holders of advanced degrees in the US) is succinct evidence that it's less about "individuals" but more about Nigerians as a GROUP! Even those of us born and raised abroad have inherited and drunk from generations of Nigerian values, mores, and culture (including a thirst for education, knowledge, hard work and achievement). Such CONSISTENT GROUP achievement abroad establishes that whatever may be the problem with Nigerians/Africans, it is certainly NOT anything that is inherent or genetic as the racist Lord Lugard would have "repeat-after-me" Africans believe and propagate.
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DonX001:
Bros, you're still talking about individuals.
Look at the entire community... Nigeria as a whole. Not individual high fliers or outliers. Every community has high fliers and "low fliers", as well as outliers, the difference is in the percentage. That determines the overall characteristics of the population, even though there may be individual variations.

Lugard was writing about his impression of the overall community, that is why he said the typical African, not ALL Africans.
Look at the entire community of Nigerians as a whole, not just those you know personally. I can assure you that I probably know more high flying Nigerians personally than you do, head count for head count, including myself.

But that does not change the reality of the GENERAL population.

Look at the entire community.
Look at people's comments and reaction to topical issues generally, both on Nairaland and social media.
Look at people's values and opinions and actions. On the general community and not just those you know.

Look at it in reality, without idealist-tinted glasses.
And go read Lord Lugard's comments again, slowly, line by line, and compare what you read with the general population.

And tell me what you see.

PS:
Your point that we excel in other climes actually validates what I and Lord Lugard is saying- that while individually we can have excellent high fliers.....

Then why is our community as a whole not high flying, compared to other countries?? Why is our country and Africa generally still relatively backward compared to non-African countries like Malaysia, Dubai, Brazil that started around the same time as us, or even long after us?? Why are our own indigenes running away from our
own country to those other countries that started the same time, or even after us?? (I'm not even talking about first world countries ooo, just those that started developing with us or after us).

Because the general population overshadows the individual high fliers by virtue of the environment the entire population creates.

The reason why our general population and country is currently like this, is due to our inherent nature that Lord Lugard clearly pointed out.

We can choose to realize it, understand it and try and change it.
Or we can choose to ignore it and bury our heads in the sand like the ostrich.

I hope you get my point now.
Cheers.

So why is the the "typical" Arabs in Yemen not achieved the same as Emiratis in Dubai?

If there is any veracity to the obtuse racist construct of a "typical" race, then one would expect no difference in development and accomplishment between the high-flying Arab Gulf states and other underachieving unstable Arab states.

Were Rwandans only "typical" Africans when they indulged in an orgy of fratricidal genocide, but no longer "typical" Africans now that they have managed to reorganize themselves into a well-organized and well-run progressive society on a fast economic and social development trajectory? Were Ghanaians "typical" Africans when the country was an economic and political mess, compelled many of the best and brightest to seek refuge and succor in Nigeria (admittedly before our own generation), and no longer "typical" Africans now that they run a stable democratic political system (complete with well-organised and credible elections) and are pushing aggressively towards the ranks of middle-income nations? How about Botswana, a country that has never been wealthy but is well-organized and well-run?

Meanwhile, ALL of those obtuse racist attributes ascribed to the so-called "typical" African by the moronic Lord Lugard were not in too distant history ascribed to the "typical" Irish (up until the relatively recent 20th century, there were buildings and entire sections of UK and US cities that turned away the Irish), the "typical" Polish and even the "typical" Chinese. In my short life-time, in the 1990s, the same sort of brutish fratricidal and genocidal and religious wars that one sees in Africa raged across the Balkans in the center of Europe and further to the east across much of the former Soviet Union. The 'killing fields' of Cambodia was more brutal and gruesome than anything in the "typical" African conflict (perhaps bar the aforementioned Rwanda genocide), and let's not even mention the mass gassing of Jews in Nazi Germany.

China's 'Cultural Revolution' was as backward, primordial and anti-intellectual as any military or authoritarian rule among "typical" Africans, and the brutal military coups and dictatorships rampant throughout Latin America until relatively recently were substantively identical to same among "typical" Africans. Meanwhile, the levels of corruption (and/or state-capture) that pervades many states of Eastern and Central Europe (particularly in Russia and throughout most of the former Soviet states) and until relatively recently throughout most of Asia (frankly still shockingly pervasive in countries like the Philippines and arguably even the Malaysia that you cite) and Latin America, is just as corrosive as anything you are likely to find among so-called "typical" Africans.

I was/am not inclined to exhaustively discuss/debate this subject matter here because the limited nature of these discussions will not do real justice to the subject matter. Nonetheless, as hopefully you are now able to grasp for the various foregoing examples, there are myriad historic, economic, social and political (among other) factors for the issues that you listed with Africa or the so-called "typical" African - and NONE of it has anything to to with race or is peculiar to Africa or "typical" Africans. Frankly, the NARROW perspective, narrow worldview and to be brutally-honest the often narrow-mindedness of the supposedly 'educated' African would be even more shocking if one was not able to grasp that it is merely the logical product of the "repeat-after-me" cram-and-regurgitate nature of what passes for 'education' in most colonized nations.
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DonX001:
Bros, you're still talking about individuals.
Look at the entire community... Nigeria as a whole. Not individual high fliers or outliers. Every community has high fliers and "low fliers", as well as outliers, the difference is in the percentage. That determines the overall characteristics of the population, even though there may be individual variations.

Lugard was writing about his impression of the overall community, that is why he said the typical African, not ALL Africans.
Look at the entire community of Nigerians as a whole, not just those you know personally. I can assure you that I probably know more high flying Nigerians personally than you do, head count for head count, including myself.

But that does not change the reality of the GENERAL population.

Look at the entire community.
Look at people's comments and reaction to topical issues generally, both on Nairaland and social media.
Look at people's values and opinions and actions. On the general community and not just those you know.

Look at it in reality, without idealist-tinted glasses.
And go read Lord Lugard's comments again, slowly, line by line, and compare what you read with the general population.

And tell me what you see.

PS:
Your point that we excel in other climes actually validates what I and Lord Lugard is saying- that while individually we can have excellent high fliers.....

Then why is our community as a whole not high flying, compared to other countries?? Why is our country and Africa generally still relatively backward compared to non-African countries like Malaysia, Dubai, Brazil that started around the same time as us, or even long after us?? Why are our own indigenes running away from our
own country to those other countries that started the same time, or even after us?? (I'm not even talking about first world countries ooo, just those that started developing with us or after us).

Because the general population overshadows the individual high fliers by virtue of the environment the entire population creates.

The reason why our general population and country is currently like this, is due to our inherent nature that Lord Lugard clearly pointed out.

We can choose to realize it, understand it and try and change it.
Or we can choose to ignore it and bury our heads in the sand like the ostrich.

I hope you get my point now.
Cheers.

NOPE! I am NOT merely talking about individuals (see my response to somewhere else on this thread)...

9jaRealist:
Rather rich from the dude that displayed absolute power over the Nigerian colony with little responsibility to its indigenous population...

Bros, not sure how much you have bothered to study African history (and I realize that Nigerian authorities are anti-history), and I am not even one of those folks with a rosy nostalgic view of ancient Africa, but the reality is that while his ancestors were busy slaughtering each other mindlessly during the Dark Ages, our ancestors were building centers of learning (the equivalent of today's universities) and empires, and peacefully trading across expansive territories within and between different indigenous 'nations'! Please do not let a colonial slowpoke who cannot culturally distinguish between Hausa and Fulani or Yoruba and Ibibio presume to tell you about the psyche or culture of the African.

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maasoap:
Was that why Cecelia voluntarily pleaded guilty and entered into a plea bargain and returned billions of naira and forfeited properties? Don't forget that she also served two years in prison. Why do you guys loved looters so much like this?

Incorrect, she served 6 months in a private hospital...