₦airaland Forum

bot101:
So Sharia law supersedes the constitution You realise that Sharia in itself can be argued to be illegal in Nigeria It has no backing in the Nigerian constitution. Na selfish politicians make am still dey.

Who are you to argue? Your government says it is legal, you're here on social media arguing....lol. From OBJ to Buhari, every single president continues to support Sharia in some parts of the North. You think say na beans when dem talk say na North dey rule us all?

OtemAtum:
If we follow a religion and we do not carry out what the god of that religion tells us to do, then we are better off not following any. Boko Harams and terrorists are true muslims because they follow the rules of Allah, although those rules are nonsense created by Allah.

Which religion do you follow?

trifted404:
wow I'm really shocked I thought the sharia law only applied adherents of Islam in such states so does that mean that a Christian can be punished for publicly drinking beer

If the Isbah people catch you ehn . The problem is that Nigerian governemnt don give dem too much power, even GEJ no fit stand up to them.

Highways:
Smh ... Ezi ofia

Oponu! Nkita la’cha ike giZee Ching-yin

trifted404:
wait uncle so can a Christian be prosecuted in a sharia court

YES! Your question is like asking can an American be prosecuted in China. The law of the land reigns supreme, whether you are a visitor or an outsider, when in Rome you do like the Romans.

OtemAtum:
But to be sincere with you, that is how Quran and Bible want it to be. Blasphemers are to be stoned according to the two books. This shows how myopic and non-tolerant both Jehovah and Allah were.

Well that's religion for you, every religion has a concept of rewards and punishment, it is up to us humans to decide which we want to follow.

dogwen:
It was because Christians rejected sharia law in Kaduna that led to the year 2000 sharia crises I'm Kaduna bro. If it's there, it's only I'm theory bro.

What was the result of the crisis? Sharia was implemented but limited to certain areas, we still have sharia courts in Kano and KAduna so what are you arguing here?

MR. PRESIDENT when will you speak to the perps in THE LANGUAGE THEY'LL UNDERSTAND? If it was your daughter that was burnt and killed would you use fancy words or have the military erase that school from existence! As a Muslim myself, this is just another reminder of how far gone most Northern Nigerians are, whether educated or non educated, their animalistic instincts gets the best of them when it comes to religion.

Highways:
So we have two constitutions in this country? You guys are dumb

You're the idiotic one that don't know how you've been sold by your government. Yes Sharia law is constitutionally superior in some states, argue with your government!

dogwen:
Point of correction, I live in Kaduna. In fact, I was born I Kaduna, I am an indigene of Kaduna. For your information, Kaduna does not practice Sharia law. If it does, it is in theory even in areas like Tudun Wada, Rigasa, Bakin Ruwa, and other areas, in which case it affects only Muslims. As for Kano, I am not sure cos I only go there for market purposes. For Plateau and Adamawa, it's a total nay.
I love your question, "why should sharia have more power than the Nigerian Constitution?". This is to tell you how the northern Islam is something else, and that is my point of interest.

The law was passed in the year 2000 which allows Muslim dominated areas in Kaduna and Kano to practice Sharia. This is a fact and not debatable. We are on the same page, Northern Nigeria's version of Islam is something else, without the government curbing these extremist viewpoints, we will continue to see more and more senseless killings.

dogwen:
For your information, it is not only in states where sharia law is the law of the land. Kaduna does not practice sharia law, plateau does not practice sharia law, even Kano, if you check it well, does not practice sharia law, Adamawa state does not too, and a number of others in the north, yet they accept killings from blasphemy.
WHAT ABOUT THIS?

Point of correction, Kaduna and Kano does practice Sharia law, it is limited to communities were Muslims are the majority. I don't know about Plateau and Adamawa. Even at that, my point still stands, why would a sane government watch such happen and keep silent? Why should Sharia have more power than the Nigerian Constitution? In a country where the government fails to do the right thing, are we surpiursed that religious extremists are taking laws into their own hands?

dogwen:
Sheik muhammad Nuru Khalid, the one who was relieved of his job in one the mosques in abuja recently, accepted today that it is Islamic to kill of blasphemy, but by the appropriate authority and not by groups or individuals taking laws into their hands.
WHAT ABOUT THIS?

The Sheik is not wrong, if you live in a place where Sharia law is the law of the land. Sharia law will sentence offenders to death for blasphemy, I think by now we all know this. The question we should all be asking is why the Nigerian government chose to allow some states to have Sharia law overtake the Nigerian Constitution?

dogwen:
https://www.facebook.com/100013249831499/posts/1457142434737404/
I hope you understand the translations contained herein.

Link no longer opens but as usual, consider the context not just a few words. CONTEXT!

1nigeriamyfoot:
So in other words, he has 2 head?

How many Christian governors had ever insult Islam in the past here in Nigeria?

If you have any, post with evidence

If any Christian governor dates insult the paedophile Muhammed SAW (Sex Award Winner), I'm sure your likes will be burning houses shouting allahu ak bomb

Islam is evil

Allah is mad

How many Muslim governors have ever insulted Christianity here in Nigeria? You dey use the actions of one man to set a standard, are you okay? You dey act as if it is normal thing for muslims to be insulting christianity everywhere they go. If we are to use your own Nairaland comments as example, then all Christians have insulted Islam......You see say you no well?

samwheel:
I guess Muhammad is d ruler here in Nigeria.
So, hell-rufai and d stupid CEO guy from I think fcmb abi what company was that self, are not real Muslims but u abi.

Have u wondered y Muslims are always related to terrorism and every other evil violence in d world.

Muhammad== Islam== Satanic

You're still spewing trash! If you do anyhow in a state with Sharia law you go see anyhow, your problem is with your government not Islam.....PEACE!

The problem is not the religion, it is human intepretation. Until the Islamic and political leaders in the North starts accepting responsibility for the violence and the ignorance of the Islamic community in the North, we would continue to see these senseless violence and murders. Under no circumstances should those criminals be allowed to walk free, they should face the same fate and be an example to the rest of the community that might attempt to dish out jungle justice in the future.

1nigeriamyfoot:
The world would have been a better & peaceful place without Islam

How many times have we read the news that someone got burnt because they abused Jesus Christ?






This is Nasir El Rufai, till today he's walking a free a man

What he said here is greatest blasphemy but no Christian slapped any Muslim for that

Islam is violence

Muhammed is a paedophile

Allah is blood sucking demon

Is El Rufai your mate? You're confusing power with religion. Come over the USA and watch many politician speak against Islam and its followers, dem no born any Muslim to do anything against them. This is what's called power, El Rufai no be your mate, stop comparing apples and oranges!

samwheel:
So if found guilty, they should be punished because of blasphemy, is there no forgiveness in your occult Islam?
Y'all reason alike, bunch of sick people.
Y'all blasphem and insult Christ, yet, no christian has done shit, even a Muslim CEO said shit about Christ on Easter Sunday, y'all keep quiet.
Satanic people, I know you happy she was killed deep down but just pretending.

Islam == Occult

You're joking right? Travel to India and start slaughtering cows, go to North Korea and insult Kim. The community made rules and your Nigerian government accepted it. They are governed by Sharia and you sit here dey type rubbish. Furthermore, you're not making sense, no real Muslim would ever insult Christ, Christ is a Prophet and Allah as commanded us all to respect our prophets, all of them.

Your problem is not Islam, your problem is the community and Sharia law. Know this and know peace!

legionISproteus:
WHAT?



THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU SANE AND PROPERLY EDUCATED MUSLIMS ARE IN THE MINORITY OF MOHAMMED WORSHIPPERS AND YOU LIVE IN FEAR OF THE WRATH FROM THE MAJORITY OF YOU WHO ARE EXTREMISTS. THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER SPEAK UP. YOU ONLY COME OUT TO DEFEND ISLAM WHEN WE START CONDEMNING THE RELGION

In a religion with about 2 billion followers, you really believe majority are killers? The problem with your kind is that bad news travels faster than good news. You don't praise the millions of Muslims in the world doing good deeds, you don't praise the surgeons saving lives, the muslim scientists cereating vaccines and cures. You don't even see the good ones fighting to end poverty, feeding thousands of poor kids and families. All you see are the extremists, the ones that are cursed, the oppressors. All you see is hate and in the end it makes you no better than the ones you're criticizing!

Bobodaced:
Please well meaning Nigerians, don't vote or support a head slammer no matter the tribe or region for President. A typical head slammer is barbaric, full of hate, pains and misery.

Yet we have had two non head slammers, OBJ and GEJ as presidents and the killings still continued, if non head slammers cannot save this country then what is the use?

Benmob:
Thay are just following d footsteps of Muhammad,go read Hadith,u will see many verse or word that justified d killing of d girl. Insulting Mohammed is death.

Yet you don't understand that hadiths are nothing but stories of how the Prophet lived, if everyone did exactly what it said then we would have chaos, same way we no longer follow everything written in the old testament of the Bible. If you believe the ways and customs in the year 610 is the same as the year 2022 then you need to get your brain checked!

samwheel:


Imagine d rubbish you're saying, arrest someone for blasphemy.
Can't your Muhammad and Allah fight for themselves.
You Muslims are all happy for what happened to that lady, just pretending. You're all terrorist inclined.

Y'all better repent and surrender to Christ and live a peaceful life.

See that's the problem with people like you, you reason with your mouth which ends up landing you in trouble. There are states in Nigeria that practices Sharia law and yes you can be arrested for blasphemy among other things. If you have a problem with that, speak to your government. No sensible Muslim would rejoice at jungle justice, there are courts for things like this and everyone deserves a chance to prove guilt or innocence.

samesta:
Ok. But the Muslims followed the footsteps of their leader. Don't forget he laid ambush against rich mecca merchants, don't forget he attacks communities and marries wife of murdered person. This is not misinterpretation, it is called following his footstep or emulating the prophet

Did you read the context behind those things or you just cherry picked the words? If you want an honest discussion, you would need to educate yourself. He brought Islam they rebeled against it, they came after his life, he fled, he regrouped got support and mounted a counter attack. Like I said seek knowledge and wisdom rather than being hell bent at winning an arguement!

samesta:
No Curse of Ham in Genesis 9
First, it's important to read the biblical text!  There is no "curse of Ham" in Genesis 9.  Instead, Noah places a curse on Canaan (who in the narrative is Ham's son).  And this "Canaan" is obviously the eponymous ancestor of the Canaanites of the land of Canaan, who are the ones the Israelites are subsequently depicted (in the book of Joshua) as depriving of the land, in punishment for their idolatry and wickedness, so the story goes.

The first appearance of a "curse of Ham" is in the Middle Ages, and it's a puzzle where it comes from, as there is no basis in the Genesis text.

 

Second, the figure Ham in Genesis 9 is the ancestor of the peoples of Canaan, and also Egypt, and perhaps Libya, and Ethiopia.  So, by no means simply "black people."  Only in the European period of colonialism did the idea appear that the curse of Canaan was transferred to Ham and justified slavery.

https://www.massbible.org/curse-of-ham-black-people?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIseOGl5Xb9wIVCZftCh0bGwGPEAAYASAAEgKDffD_BwE

You're still missing the point or perhaps you just chose to ignore it, we are not talking about how we see things now, we are talking about how people in the 1800s and early 1900s viewed things. We are talking about human interpretation which has always been flawed. The point remains, they used their undertsanding of the Bible to justify white supremacy. Same way the Northern idiots are using their understanding of Islam to justify senseless killings.

samesta:
The Bible never supported white supremacists neither does it have any portion that reflects white being superior. The Bible centered around the Jews and the gentiles ( every other race except the Jews). The KKK had their laws and modus operandi which doesn't relate with the Bible nor biblical interpretation

You want the truth or you want to continue arguing? Trust me I've read every page in the Bible, I also took theology courses as part of my graduate studies. I am telling you there are verses in the Bible that was interpreted to mean white supremacy. Slavery justifcation was mainly rooted in these verses, read Genesis 9:20-27:

After the flood recorded in Genesis 6-9 Noah’s three sons (Shem, Ham, and Japheth) repopulated the earth. Shem is the ancestor of the Hebrews, Japheth is the ancestor of Europeans, Ham is the ancestor of Africans.

An incident occurs in which Ham sees the unclothedness of his father causing Noah to pronounce a curse on Ham which turns his skin black and condemns his ancestors to perpetual slavery to the descendants of Shem and Japheth.

While most of us know better nowadays, those living back then took the Bible literally. this was one of the many ways those slave owners justified owning slaves, it was one of the ways the KKK and Jim Crow justified white supremacy.

samesta:
What is the meaning of Christian please and when did Christianity start? I hope you know the difference between Christianity and Judaism.

Christianity are believers/followers of Christ, do you believe it started when Christ came to Earth? If we are to believe the Bible then Christ has always been there, so Abraham, david, Moses are all Christians. Remember in the beginning was the word and the word was God. If you read the Bible you would know that the word was Christ, so therefore he has always been there.

samesta:
Thank God you mentioned Jim Crow laws of segregation. You didn't mention that they burned churches also. It was never a Christian religious movement as you were trying to paint it but a white supremacists movements.

Go back and read what I wrote, I never said they were a Christian organization, I said they used religion specifically Bible verses to show that whites were made to be superior. It was meant to be an example of how human interpretation is a problem rather than the religion.

samesta:
No sir. Christians are Christ like meaning they emulate Jesus Christ while Islam basically followed the anticidence of Prophet Muhammad whose actions his followers are emulating. The Bible records events that occurred before the coming of Christ, when he came and after his death.

Islam has her root with violence promoted by the prophet of Islam while Christianity has her root in the peace promoted by Christ Jesus

So who was Abraham, David, Moses? If you built a house do you neglect the land that the foundation was built upon? Why do your pastors still use the old testament to convey the needs for tithing? You can't eat your cake and have it, don't deny your origins!

samesta:
Please Kun klux klan was a white supremacists movements ( not religious) they were against Congressional reconstruction by murdering blacks and some whites who were either active in republican politician or involve in educating blacks.

You're partially right, KKK evolved as a resistance to black freedom after Lincoln's politics basically crippled the South, they all wanted the U.S to go back to the days of slavery as they believed blacks did not deserve to be the same as whites. Most of their memebrs were former slave owners. White churches in the late 1800s and early 1900s were notoriously known as meeting spots and enablers for the KKK.

The group almost went to extinction before being revived in 1915 as a tool for political rebellion. This was when they took up the burning of the cross as a sign to show that the country needs to go back to the old days where religion and society made sure whites maintained their superiority. This particular version of KKK was more violent ad had over 4 million members nationwide, they were boosted by the Jim crow laws of segregation and did not relent until around 1960.

Warriorprince:
Are they any better........ Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Somalia e.t.c it's only in few liberal Muslim countries that such senseless killing doesn't take place regularly.

What does those countries all have in common? War torn! Choose a normal Islamic country not ravaged by war or dispute and then come back and tell me they kill Chirstians for joy like our Northern animals!

dogwen:
Thank you for seeing me as a joke. Just pray it doesn't get to you and yours.

Don't worry about me, I know the difference between a problematic religion and a failed nation. The more you attack the religion, the less sensible you sound because there's no way you can ever successfully make the argument that converting all the Northerners to Christianity would solve all the violence in the North. You left behind poverty, bad government and brainwashing, instead you pick the easy target....ISLAM IS BAD....yen yen yen

samesta:
Even the prophet of Islam was and still a perfect example of the murderous tendencies of Islam. Proof me wrong please. He even raided a Jewish village killed the men and married one of the murdered man's wife

Shocker....Guess what? So did Moses, David, Jonah. They all killed people, they all were murderous. Trust me you don't want to go there, if violence is the bar then we might as well scrap both religions.