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J3susFr3ak:
Do you think you would have had the comfortable life you have now in USAs Bible Belt if the Christian Puritans there did not lay a firm foundation for their very nation?

During the Pandemic when even well to do families were affected...who were opening their doors to feed the poor and help the needy? The Church! It is quite funny since I have also witnessed how much Somalians and other Muslim groups will also come to the Church for the free Food Hamper yet would want nothing to do with the very message from the very Bread of Life.

Church? Where did you get theat stat from? the government did more for the poor than any church, the two stimulus payments, the ban on eviction and many more measures did more for poor folks than any church, no vex me! Apart from working and living in the USA, I'm well versed in American and world history. The Christian Puritans that you mentioned are responsible for most of the attrocities committed in the nation's history. From the killing of Native Americans to the enslavement of black people. Let's not talk about bombing of abortion clinics, the assasination of Lincoln and JFK and so on. In fact if America had chosen to remain religious like it was in the past, most of us would be walking in chains.

Upon all the religion, una lives still remain jagajaga. Upon all the churches, mosques, una still dey claim poverty capital of the world. You can't fight for your right to shelter, food, safety but when it comes to religion na you dey carry loudspeaker.......MENT

Make una save this thread, watch what happens after the primaries. They'll go from Tinubu not the preferred candidate to oh he can't possibly win the election. Watch them instead of apologizing and admitting they know nothing, watch them start to formulate another conspiracy theory. I actually pray that they are right and Tinubu does not win because if he emerges as APC flagbearer, the vawulence go huuuuuuuuge

Obviously we can now see that some very powerful people are behind the ignorance in the North. These youths even the educated ones are slaves to their religious and political leaders. When you ask some of them toprovide the rationale behind their actions you'll hear what they've been taught by their religious and political leaders. Even wealthy folks can't afford 34 lawyers but these buffoons could? FEAR NORTH!

legionISproteus:
At no point have you rebuked Deborah's murderers, stop writing lies. You are obviously defending an arabian man's religion. Look at you deflecting to government. [s]Nigeria government has a lot of short comings, but you see this particular issue, it purely stems from islamic extremism.[/s] You have run to USA where you enjoy the peace and stabililty of a secular society, yet you are defending killers back home because they worship the same imaginary god as you.

I will keep telling you this at any time you quote me, DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN BE INDOCTRINCATED INTO THIS EVIL CULT THAT WORSHIPS AN IMAGINARY GOD CREATED BY AN ARABIAN MAN THAT DOES NOT VALUE HUMAN LIFE. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE NAME OF THE CULT I AM REFERRING TO, IT IS CALLED ISLAM AND I AM NOT MINCING WORDS. READ IT CLEARLY. THAT IS THE ONLY THING I KNOW YOU CAN SAFELY DO THAT WILL BENEFIT HUMANITY.

I will keep repeating it, you've left your brain behind! Glad you used the USA in your statement, over 4 million Muslims in the country and only very few cases of extremism(Less than 20 throughout its existence), why is that? Oh let me guess, the government does not sit back and watch things go astray before they react. They don't watch element of extremism go uncheck before monitoring it but your black ass can't even phantom that simple concept, look at you, so quick to let your governemnt off the hook like a good little sheep . You sir have zero point because you've probably never been to an airport, your understanding stems from your little bubble hence I declare you a joke......Enjoy your ignorance.....Argue with your phone from now on!

logiccal:
I don't need to educate any adult on what insult is. Especially an adult that is fluent in a language.

Okay understood, typical Nigerian, nothing do you

logiccal:
I said it time and time again, I won't.

But the truth is SHE DID THE INSULT.

I'm sorry if you want to educate people so that they won't repeat the insult next time, you have to be specific. For educative purpose I think you should highlight it and let's have a discussion on it, this is what scholars do, this is what people in advanced societies use when it comes to dispute. You can't just go around shouting SHE DID IT SHE DID IT

logiccal:
No you're not.
If you don't hear the insult towards the end of that voice note, just before the girls in the background gasped.

Then you're not fluent in Hausa.

Also, you're brother marrying a Hausa lady doesn't mean you're fluent in Hausa.

just like me marrying an igbo lady doesn't mean my brothers will automatically be fluent in Igbo.

Okay type the insult that you heard and I'll translate it for you.....

logiccal:
As a Muslim are you fluent in Hausa Language?

If you understand Hausa language, and have listened to that audio already. You'd have heard the insult.

I am very fluent in it and in fact my brother married an Hausa lady, there was no insult against the prophet!

logiccal:
Oga, she did insult HIM.

As a Muslim, I think you need to explain how? What did she say that insulted the prophet(SAW)?

baretalk:
Christian leaders are the ones not leading the flock right, CAN and other Christian bodies must understand the times, christians must have security, the church can raise a well formidable Christians protection force, they have the money for this. The christian leaders and organisations must also actively mobilize Christian youths and people to stage protests, to force government to take action and prosecute people killing and targeting christians...they do this in Egypt, America etc.

Which government? Government that allowed Sharia to take root in the North, government that allowed Islamic and political leaders in the North to use ignorance to brainwash so many people. Go to Saudi and Indonesia, the governemnt never supports jungle justice, every citizen is entitled to a fair trial. Useless government don play baba ijebu with the lives of Nigerians.

Jman06:
Stop blaming the innocent girl abeg. When you do that you emboldened the devilish Islamic fanatics such that they find justification for their evil actions!

Deborah did not insult their Muhammed! She only said that Jesus helped her to pass her exams. Where is the insult in that

#JusticeForDebora

She did not insult anybody, as a Muslim I found no insult in what she said. Human beings will find any excuse to be wicked, hope the governemnt does not just sweep it under the rug.

Toni19:
Just know this.. Anything ISLAM is murder, terrorism and oppression... There is no one Muslim that is reasonable until they find Christ.

Check world over.. What has Islam contributed to better the life of humans? Nothing but war and chaos.

An atheist is better than 100 Muslims in a city.

This is the same way the whites look down upon your black ass, anything Nigerian is fraud, yahoo yahoo, deceit. It does not matter if you have good in your heart as long as you're Nigerian you're guilty until you renounce your citizenship....IRE O

Gozac:
That one na for you but on a norm Muslim Muslim ticket or Christian Christian ticket is dead on arrival

Why is it dead? Sensible nations choose their leaders based on comptency and not religion, wetin religion don do for 9ja economy?

Religion the biggest enemy of the Nigerian people. If na Muslim Muslim ticket go save this country, I will vote for it. If na Chirstian Christian I will also vote, Osibanjo and Buhari have proven that religion does not make you a good person, what matters is what's in your heart.

legionISproteus:
I have told you, if you sincerely want to help humanity, DO WHATEVER IS HUMANELY POSSIBLE TO STOP YOUR CHILDREN FROM INDOCTRINATION INTO THIS EVIL CULT YOU CALL ISLAM.

You have been bred to have zero regard for the precious gift of human life, and it is not even a matter of your level of education as I erroneously assumed few months ago. Look at Dangote's son-in-law, with all his achievements still supporting this barbaric act. it you, this self-acclaimed "i- work-with-data-everyday" muslim that wants to lie to me that you are not proud of those killers.

Let me tell you, if you truly were unhappy about this event, I would have known from your first response.

Those who have a functioning brain can see from my comments where I rebuked the criminal act. My friend I don't get to live in the USA if I don't value human life so your anlaysis na for your own pocket. You can keep bashing Islam , na you get your mouth but it is clear you have a deeper problem. The people that went on a rampage in Denmark what happened to them? Did the government protect them or did they face the full wrath of the law? This is the difference between a society that does not take shit and one that enables extremism.

Your problem is with your government, stop wasting time and energy on Islam and speak to your government. People like you prefer gutter talk instead of real credible solution. You prefer to attack the religion rather than the enablers because you know you're insignificant, a coward that hides behind words from a phone. There will always be evil people using religion, tribe, geography etc as an excuse to do evil deeds, your ranting against a religion isn't going to stop that. I suggest you find something that would actually solve the situation instead of all the gibberish you keep writing.

legionISproteus:
Why would I not attack the entire islam? If those boys were not muslims, would they have killed Deborah? Your islam is the only reason poor Deborah is not alive today like you and me, her killers were jubilating, your fellow muslims were proud of them and you are here defending islam.

The best thing you can do for humanity is to make sure your children do not practice this archaic arab man's religion

Your mumu is still showing, if this if that, you just dey yarn rubbish based on your own ignorance. No be this same 9ja where someone was lynched for stealing tomatoes? No be this 9ja where someone was burnt becuase they mistook him for a kidnapper? Oga I don't know your age but if you could recall the early 90s you would understand what I'm talking about. Person wey kill another because of religion can also kill because of tribe, because of envy, because of politics etc. 9ja people don't need any religion in order to be violent, it is in-built!

legionISproteus:
Someone complaining about muslims murdering people in the name of your god is seen as comedy to you, and you think you are normal.

They don't have to be killed, life incaceration is a more decisive punishment. Let us leave that decision to the court. Capital punishment has been expunged from our nationality.

But that's not your complaint, your complaint is Islam. You left those that did the killing and decided toattack an entire religion. That's just like the whites looking down on your black ass because of yahoo yahoo. Use your brain my friend, na you dey fight yourself

LUAN:
no, jesus won't be be happy because he said we should follow peace with all men, he said Said we should be a peace Maker,...but as I dey so ehnn,.. I dey vex for irrational being.

Yea, this is their plan. For religion to divide us and make us sin more. They want us to bash religion so that it can cover up for poverty, human wickedness and the uselessness of our government......Don't fall for their trap!

LUAN:
stupid man,... you don't even understand your useless Quran,.. you are jumping to understand the bible, do you think the bible can be understand by a fool? Or do you think the bible is like Quran that was written by a stupid pedophile or that neither understand himself nor things around him? Pedophile that his only mission on earth was to Bleep anything around him. Go and sit down, idiot of the century.

Would Jesus be proud of what you wrote? Instead of you to fight his ignorance with positivity, you dey give him and his ignoramus fellows more ammunition.

Obviously they know the government is on their side and their useless religious leaders are in support of their animalistic attitude. Why is it that when it comes to religion, 9ja own dey always get k leg? You carried out jungle justice, na you still dey torment innocent people, is this not madness?

bot101:
2 CHIEF IMAMS HAVE DEFENDED THE ACTIONS OF THOSE PEOPLE and said they ACTRD ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC TEACHINGS. Are you a Muslim scholar that your opinion supersedes the opinions of chief imams?

Since when have we known Nigerians to have common sense? Even the most educated among us often have viewpoints that the rest of the scholars internationally frown upon. Nigerians don't have common sense and when it comes to religion, it becomes even more obvious. No be the same country where religious people defend their pastor of rape and sexual allegations? No be the same country where scholars convinced us to vote for Buhari? So why are you surprised? I thank God for allowing me exposure outside of 9ja, 90% of what I know now is because I traveled out of the shithole!

legionISproteus:
When I say islam is cancer, I mean it. Do you know how many people would still be alive today if there was nothing like islam? Let us start from Deborah Samuel and recall. Go to front page now and see the kind of pro-murder topics hitting the list now because of this. Our amiable self-acclaimed data analyst abbey621 will not see those but prefers to defend islam when quoting me.

I do not blame you. You were unfortunate to be born into a muslim home and you cannot even leave the religion without fear of being murdered by your fellow muslims.

If you really want to help, do not enslave your children by indoctrinating them into this religion that holds no value for human life. Do what ever you can that is fair to mankind in ensuring your kids have the freedom to appreciate humanity without bias.

Stop embarrassing yourself young man, at this point you're more of a comedy than anything else.

bot101:
I don't have time for bullshit discussions. The simple fact that Sanusi was once CBN governor and Patanmi is a Minister today validates my argument. Did you see your chief imam's statement? That you are posturing and trying to divert from Deborah's murder also validates my assertion. The whole world knows your hypocrisy, has called it out, but you and your ilk defend it nevertheless! Try all you can, you are a murderer like those who killed Deborah's as long as you do not outrightly condemn her murder. She was defenceless and innocent, and you killed her for a dead Arab man, and think you are sane.

You're a bastaard, go back and read what I wrote and the numerous times I've condemned the people who did it. You want to pin it on Islam rather than your inept govenrment and the extremists views from the North. This is where we disagreed, stop spewing rubbish and GTFO!

Then what's the use of the useless Sharia court? What's the burden of proof when everybody can just burn or kill if they suspect you of disrespecting their religion or prophet? The yeye pilot did not even bother to look at the evidence, WHAT EXACTLY DID THE GIRL SAID THAT EQUATES TO DISRESPECTING THE PROPHET?

Animals think they are fighting for Allah when in reality they are fighting for their own ego. The useless Nigerian government takes orders from them and yet some people don't understand when I say the North rules us all.......SHAME!

Saxxon:
Bros, I suggest you keep shut if you can't use the brain that God gave you. "Civilized muslims" is how the Arabs would love to describe themselves and they do a pretty darn good job at it.[b] Have you forgotten that in this same UAE, women aren't allowed to vote, own/drive cars, or even walk around alone without supervision? [/b]The Arabs live by very strict sharia law. The only difference is that they make it look legitimate by institutionalizing those laws in their courts. An offender is taken to court where if proven to be a blasphemer or apostate, said offender will be sentenced to death. What then is the difference? Is it the fact that Deborah wasn't first sentenced to court before being killed? Isn't she still going to be killed of tried in an Islamic court? Dubai man, I'm waiting for your answer.

I think your brain is faulty, are we discussing social rights here or the value of human life? Do you think if Deborah was sent to court and the court sentenced her to death after evidences were presented, do you there would be as much outrage? Sharia law exists in the North, your Nigerian government allowed it hence it was the proper course of action not the needless senseless jungle justice. If you have a problem with how Northerners have chosen to be ruled, speak to your government about it. Whether it is Islam, whether it is someone that stole something or kidnapped a child, I am against jungle justice. I am against people getting judged without due process, the rest of your argument na for your own pocket!

legionISproteus:
The proof is in this thread but you have blatantly refused to put your self-acclaimed data analyst skills to good use. I don't give a damn if you worked in the moon or Venus, I can tell when someone is defending a sinister act when I see one.

Tell me now, if you decide to stop worshipping mohammed today, can you go to your muslim friends and announce your decision?

I do not blame you because you did not choose to be born into a muslim home. I always feel pity for black muslims when they mindlessly murder themselves because of some islamic teaching and another group (like the one you belong to ) comes up to defend the act. This is generational subjugation in perfection. I can bet you force your children to read the hadith and whatever religious text you were forced to read while growing up. This is why the problem never ends. You are made to perpetuate this barbaric acts in your family and tribe and it seen as a noble act in the eyes of the arabian man's god whom you worship.

Like I said previously, stop your tomfoolery, you don't deserve the dignity of an intellectual discussion.....FAREWELL!

legionISproteus:
Oga, you are here to defend Islam so keep quiet. When someone speaks against the barbaric behaviour your fellow worshippers exhibit, even at the expense of human lives, you faux enlightened muslims crawl out of the woodwork to defend it. Have you ever gone to the mosque, or discussed with your muslim neighbours against killing another human being in the name of your god? NO! Because you are afraid of them, you are afraid they will report you to another group who will gang up and murder you. What kind of sickness is this thing you call a religion? You cannot even openly declare that you no longer wish to worship mohammed because that your friend who is a muslim will murder you and nothing will happen. In fact this friend will be praised for killing an islamic apostate.

Have you even bothered to check what I said? if you don't have a twitter or facebook account, at least nairaland is here for your data collection abi you no longer know how to deal with data? I HAVE STATED IT IN MY PREVIOUS POSTS, IF YOU SHOW YOUR 2 BILLION MUSLIMS THIS STORY OF DEBORAH'S MURDER, MORE THAN HALF OF THEM WILL SUPPORT THESE ASSASSINS, THAT IS OVER 1 BILLION CRIMINALS HIDING IN THE NAME OF RELIGION TO END SOMEONE'S LIFE. Now, do your own bit and prove me wrong. You have refused. Are you afraid that I am right? Don't even go far, make e no be like say I dey give you too much work. Sample the responses by muslims on this thread alone if more than half of them are not in support of poor Deborah's death.

I live abroad and my work takes me to Saudi, Indonesia, Malaysia and India quite often, if you can't prove the 1 billion muslims supporting terrorism then I suggest you keep shut and stop embarrassing yourself. It is only in Northern Nigeria that you constantly hear about these senseless killings. So your problem is not Islam, it is the fact that your government does not give a damn about your life, it is the fact that your government allows religious law to supercede the Nigerian Constitution. So once again, I am not going to defend Islam, there is no need, it can defend itself. Tell your governemnt to protect you, tell your government to find the perps and demand justice.

When last did you hear Muslims in the South killing Christians? Abi there are no Muslims in the South? This once again proves the stupidity of your argument. I can't be responsible for the actions of every Muslim, just like I don't expect you to be responsible for every actions of your family members.....Don't come at me with such tomfoolery!

bot101:
This is not a stats discussion, stopattemting to divert the discussion to something that it isn't about. Do your Imams and top respected Muslims not support the murder of Innocent Deborah or not??

What do you mean it is not a stats discussion, you made the claim, why can't you back it up? This only goes to show that you think with your mouth and not your brain. How can we discuss intellectually when you predicated your claim on false data? LMAO.....you didn't expect someone to call you out on your Bullshit did you?

legionISproteus:
You deal with data for a living means what in this case? Just visit any social media page where this matter is discussed and use your "data dealing expertise for a living" to assess the response from your fellow muslims. Come back here and give us an honest report.

4 days ago I saw a video from Pakistan were a mob harassed two young girls for dressing indecently. There was nothing revealing or indecent in the clothes those girls wore, what happened were a bunch of randy animals using religion to satisfy their primal urge. This your Islam is a major problem to the world today, unfortunately it is not going away any time soon.

Like I said I deal with data for a living, you can't just make a statistical claim without conducting the proper research. You said 1 billion Muslims support jungle justice/killing when the prophet or Islam is insulted. So my friend, prove it! Show me your data that supports your claim otherwise shut the f*ck up! I'm not here to defend Islam or Muslims and I acknowledge the extremists within the Islamic community but I will not sit here and watch you pull stats out of your ass mister, have some dignity!

bot101:
As I said earlier, selfish politician. Ask any lawyer, there isn't any provision for religious laws in Nigeria as NIGERIA IS A SECULAR STATE. THAT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION!!

On the North ruling everyone, I only laugh. You will soon know reality beyond your mosques and semi-literate politicians.

Guy I just got one favor to ask you, go to Kano and insult the prophet and spew this rubbish there, even if your papa na SAN, you go know say the Nigerian Constitution does not protect you. I just dey pity you ni, go ahead arguing rubbish, your theorethical analysis holds no water to real life application. Hisbah people go just use you do practice.....KONTINEW!

legionISproteus:
Oga, if you share this story among your 2 billion muslims, MORE THAN HALF OF THEM WILL SUPPORT THIS MURDER. That is already over 1 billion criminals hiding under the cloak of religion. Go to faceboook, nairaland, twitter and see it for yourself. You will see 8 - 9 posts of muslims praising the act before you see1 post by a muslim that will write "Islam is a religion of peace", not even directly condemning the act. Atiku that posted a tweet to condemn it quickly deleted it when your fellow muslims promised not to vote for him.... and you are telling me majority are not killers.

I don't believe in any nonsense religion or whatever their followers do. They can worship a spoon for all i care, but do no harm. How difficult is that?

I BET YOU ARE ANOTHER SANE MUSLIM WHO IS AFRAID TO CONDEMN HIS FELLOW WORSHIPPER OF MOHAMMED THAT COMMITED MURDER IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. YOU BETTER ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS AND NOT WASTE YOUR TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW BAD NEWS SPREADS FASTER THAN GOOD NEWS. ARE YOUR RELIGION PEOPLE NOT THE CAUSE OF THIS BAD STORY?

I will say this and say it again, and will not be wrong on any day of the week! THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU SANE AND PROPERLY EDUCATED MUSLIMS ARE IN THE MINORITY OF MOHAMMED WORSHIPPERS AND YOU LIVE IN FEAR OF THE WRATH FROM THE MAJORITY OF YOU WHO ARE EXTREMISTS. THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER SPEAK UP. YOU ONLY COME OUT TO DEFEND ISLAM WHEN WE START CONDEMNING THE RELGION

You wrote a whole page just to spew nonsense? I deal with data for a living and when you refer to me please do so with common sense and dignity. Tell me how many times the most populous muslim nations in the world are in the news for killing Christains. In case you don't know those countries the top 3 are : Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Even when there are issues with blasphemy, they let the court do the justice not mob. If you want to have an intellectual discussion we can do that, if you want to continue with your sentimental bullshit, please shift!