₦airaland Forum

Lollittaa:
Like their tithes count. The Church of Christ is over 2000 years old and has survived persecution of all sorts, these stones they throw online is nothing.

Can we just focus on the point prayers will not save Nigeria only work will even when the apostles were trying to bring in more people into the church was it prayers that they were doing or did they work to travel to many different cities looked for people to talk to? Only work can deliver progress nothing else

omojeesu:
Voting in the right people is important
But that's just 1 thing.

The people too must be doing the right things at their levels and in whatsoever situations they are.

The responsibility for positive change rests on all, leaders and followers, ruler and the ruled, not only leaders and rulers.

For the most part the people are doing the right thing but what they need now is to find the right leaders to bring back peace and stability to the country

Lollittaa:
the other day, I read it here on NL that each house of rep member is given 100m naira per year for their constituencies. Yet no outrage on a large scale. But let them read that a pastor bought a new jet, built a bigger dome or a University, suddenly the church is to blame for every problem in this country.
Seun Kuti should carry placard to the house of assembly. They are the ones who are elected, by law.
If they don't repent, that hatred will choke them all.

Seun Kuti is quite literally trying to build up a political party to take away power from the current bad leaders and he's been an outspoken activist against their leadership for many years so your points make no sense and yes it is bad for a pastor to buy a private jet if the people going to his church are poor him building a new church or university isn't bad but there's no need for a pastor to own a private jet how do you even defend that?

omojeesu:
Work can kill.
But Jesus saves.
In Christ your work
Is helped further by grace.
Laziness and cluelessness
Have no place in Christ.

Praying can also kill if not accompanied by work it is work that gives you a house and puts food on your table and it is prayer that helps you find the right work so let them work in tandem and not one solely on its own

omojeesu:
We don't all have to join a party.
Let's shine the light of Christ
Everywhere and at all levels
Starting from the home and Church.
We can also be part of Civil Society.

However, if a Christian or some Christians feel led by God, they may join political parties or even form their own party.

How will we get a better country without voting in the right people?

hotseat:
I can infer that Seun is not implying that prayers for the country is bad!


Far from it!


He is saying that instead of concentrating all our energy and focus on prayers alone, we have a civic obligation to point out failings in the system and confront them in order to bring about positive developments.


At the end of the day, we all can beat our chests that the Nigeria of our dreams has arrived.

Guy come and chop knuckle this is a top class analysis. Have you heard of the political movement of Seun Kuti called M.O.P you shouls join today oh no be 2022 when we will start working hard for mobilization

Jopemj:
You need to give your life to Christ

We need to give our lives to work

Lollittaa:
what happened to your own hands? Why don't you show an example by your actions? You don't have to believe in the supernatural, and frankly, no one owes you an explanation as to why Christians pray.
Go to sambisa forest and fight the Boko Haram. Don't hide behind your screen dissing things you haven't the slightest idea about.

I am using my own hands i've joined a political party and i'm spreading awareness for its cause and its mission everyday on twitter, facebook, instagram and nairaland as well as talking to friends and family about it and I said you should pray it's good even in my religion we pray but when we want something done we work for it not pray for it my mission in the grand scheme of things is solely political and cultural so why would I go to Sambisa? Anyways continue praying as you like but i'd suggest that you join a political party like M.O.P to change the current fortune of Nigeria

nowhere:
Getting referendum is like getting employment and electricity oo

With M.O.P a referendum and restructuring is guaranteed

Jopemj:
There are some element of truth in what he said but nevertheless, this is a country we are talking about not just an individual, therefore we can't give up on a whole nation cos it's goin to affect us all, therefore we must continue to pray for our belove country Nigeria. GOD BLESS NIGERIA.

Let's stop praying and start working and see the change that brings if all of us went out and joined political parties and helped garner support for them and they win will that not bring us more development then prayer?

omojeesu:
Bad things need prayers.
So are good things.
We can not nor should not
Stop praying.

However, faith without works (taking corresponding actuons) is dead.

Prayer is for spiritual well being and to a degree physical health and work is for physical progress and physical well being praying without work won't get us anywhere, praying for Nigeria whilst voting APC and PDP won't do anything for us, praying for Nigeria whilst demonizing ENDSARS isn't helpful if you want to help Nigeria join a political party and mobilize for them.

sirwhyteB:
It is quite obvious that Nigeria was created in 1914 and expired in 2013.

The only solution to the problems in Nigeria is DIVISION.

God has blessed every ethnicity in Nigeria greatly with available resources to sustain them.

Why is our leaders suffering Nigerians when they knew that Nigeria has expired?

So in the amalgamation letter did it say that it has a expiry date and all parties can divide at will? No it doesn't there's no reason for Nigeria's division instead of looking for a civil war why don't we get the right people into power and get a referendum through that medium instead of wasting our time fighting

youngvito:
It's ridiculous how much Nigerians pray about practically every situation. When are we going to take our destiny In our own hands and adopt a different approach? You would think by now we would be the most successful nation on earth with the incessant prayers/ fasting.

Unfortunately, most of the successful countries lobally don't have a culture of praying religiously. Instead they take take the bull by the horns and put in the work neccesary to achieve greatness.

I am not discouraging anyone from praying , the fact is this approach has not worked for the nation ... for christs sake we are the poverty capital of the world and a country plagued by armed robbery, extrajudicial killings, banditry, kidnapping, illiteracy, corruption etc and we the citizens have been praying for over half a century!!!! prayer wont resolve these pressing issues to be honest

The middle east has some of the most religious and prayerful Muslims globally and yet it is the most volatile region on earth.

Thank you it's time for us to start building up our own political movements and rallying together to get the right people into power if we don't do that then how are we going to get the Nigeria we want?

Lollittaa:
"... men ought always to pray and not to faint" Like 18:1
We're called to pray ALWAYS, for and in every situation. Telling pastors not to urge their members not to pray, is like telling a farmer not to take a hoe and cutlass to the farm.
Why pastors are often the focus of these people is what I don't understand. How many percent of the Nigerian population are pastors?
Are pastors democratically elected?
What's the army and police meant for then?

Stop praying and start working is what he's saying not everything should be about scripture or what your God says it is high time Nigerians stop being so overly superstitious and religious and start taking action and fighting for what they want

AfriqueDuZuid:
Mandela was arrested in the 60s

The apartheid government was not as brutal then after 1965 that's when the atrocities became international knowledge and sanctions started.

And they kept intensifying them from then

You said you started making nuclear weapons when Mandela was released that's a lie you started making the weapons in the 60s and it was common knowledge before then it's just that they were benefiting from the gold and diamonds once the rush died down in the 70s they now had to play the role and attack South Africa but even then they sanctions they unleashed were mild and barely had any effect on South Africa the first major sanction only came in 1986 from the US and was ended 5 years leater so South Africa wasn't effected that badly by any sanction

AfriqueDuZuid:
By the rest of the world, sanctions have certain levels

They started with sanctioning, companies to stop investing in South Africa check the Coca-Cola story and IBM.

Even oil they stopped other countries to export oil to South Africa that's how SASOL(south African synthetic oil L..) started, SA started extracting oil from coal becoming the first country to do so.

Same way North Korean president has fleets of Mercedes.

Sanctions against South Africa only started in 1986 and ended in 1991 that's barely anything

AfriqueDuZuid:
When nuclear weapons story come south Africa was already on its knees, in long recession and peace/democracy/Mandela release were already ongoing.

So in the 1960s Mandela was about to be released? Bro stop lying

AfriqueDuZuid:
Kenya had a headstart along with Tanzania.

Apartheid government was under sanctions for around 30yrs while blacks were oppressed.

During that time Kenya was free roaming running their affairs, what made you not build world class universities?

Yeah yeah"but we don't have minerals" that's a lame excuse

Sanctioned by who? Your gold and diamonds were still being bought and America didn't even do anything when they found out about your nuclear weapon plans

theTranscriber:
can we please stop talking about failed governments of the 20th century?

There's a lesson to be learnt from them though if you think about it

Mugabe didn't make a proper foundation upon which the people could successfuly run the country without the British

Nkrumah spent his money in the wrong places and was too quick with his attempts at greater economic reforms and industrialization

Lumumba didn't plan well for the ensuing crisis

Toure was an idiot

Nyerere was an idiot

Sankara was a good leader not sure why he was killed tbh

And that's basically it if we can learn from their past mistakes we can do a lot better when it comes onto us.

obaaderemi:
No evidence points to the fact that Lumumba would have been different from the others. Mugabe also pushed out the Europeans, if he had died immediately, we would have people telling us today how he would have done well if he had lived long.
FYI, Lumumba was trying to bring in an American business man to come and help him with investment in Congo shortly before he died. It would have still ended the same way with the Americans hijacking the economy.
No one can point to one positive move Lumumba made that could have grown the economy of Congo if he had lived long.

Mugabe fought a war, Lumumba won an election there's a difference between the two and he needed a company to mine the products they didn't have the money to buy the necessary equipment for mining and they certainly didn't want Belgium to continue getting all the money and profits from the mine this company would have shared the profits made from mining with the government and you still haven't answered this if he wasn't going to be a good leader why was he assassinated by Belgium and America?

obaaderemi:
I am not pandering to the west. But most of the freedom fighters we celebrate were idiots. The early signs showed they could never develop their economies. We celebrate the ones who died early thinking they would have done well, the same way a section of Nigeria's population thought Buhari would have done well if he had been given more time in the 80s. They brought him back in 2015 now the masses are praying for 2023 to come quickly.

Which is most freedom fighters? I only celebrate three Sankara, Lumumba and Nkrumah the reason why Lumumba was assassinated by the west is because he posed a threat to their illegal resource gathering he was trying to pass laws to keep more of the money from their resources within the country and also to reduce the power of Belgium in the country but obviously they didn't want this to take place and you ca see they were very successful at this do you even know how many foreign airports there are in DRC alone? Where these countries come in with empty planes and leave with tons of cobalt, diamonds, gold, uranium and anything else that they want in the land, Lumumba was trying to stop that and was also trying to unite the country away from ethnic divisions but this was against what the wesr wanted there's no evidence to say that he would have been a bad leader.

theTranscriber:
communism should never be tried in Nigeria


it would be a disaster



a crazy one

we just need our regional democracy

Communism would never work but socialism would if we followed the ideology of Zik and Awolowo along with a regional democracy Nigeria would probably grow at 8% plus every year until then we will continue with our slow development and the only party in Nigeria with such an ideology right now is M.O.P but for some reason it isn't getting the attention that it should be getting but regardless we're working hard and we're going to continue trying to win elections in Nigeria and bring in the proper reforms.

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obaaderemi:
That was the problem!
Lumumba, like Mugabe later on was rash in his dealings with the Europeans. Without first building a viable and feasible base for their countries' development, they pandered to populism by rashly trying to push out the Europeans and replacing them with poorly prepared locals all because they were hot heads and wanted to appear popular. They saw themselves as freedom fighters but to what ends? Could Mugabe free his people from poverty and backwardness? If Lumumba had lived and stayed in office for many years, what economic policies did he have that could have moved Congo forward economically? He would have failed like others before him.

I don't allow myself to be carried away by the guile of these fast talking African fr

We don't know that the locals were ill prepared though do we and if he wasn't that much of a threat and would have destroyed Congo why tf was he assassinated by Belgium and America? He would have been a better leader then all these dictators currently in power in Congo how well has Congo been run since his death? Stop pandering towards the west and their views they aren't our friends and they never will be

CXLVII:
You mentioned Awo and Akintola.... That quite some decades ago. Things have revolutionized. Just like Christianity and Islam have revolutionized from same time till present. In modern times, you just have to be very close to know the cycle, movers and shakers. You cannot even identify or suspect an Ogboni member has of date. They just like every normal individual.

But if you dare to clear your doubts thoroughly, find one and he will lead you on... You will be amazed at the world behind those doors

I don't know what you're trying to say practice and involvement in traditional African religions and cultures have drastically declined over the years ajd so has the amount of people joining Ogboni Society groups in different parts of Yoruba land they may still be there but their influence isn't and neither are their numbers.

JohnSin97:
Does being part of a group that shares the same interests mean that one doesn't know Jesus?

Ogboni is a group of Priests for a deity of Ifa

JohnSin97:
What led to it's decline and why was it painted as a dibolical cult? I've been doing some research and it seems it was just a group of politically and culturally like minded people initially.

They still exist just that they don't have the power that they had 800 years ago when they were originally established in Ijebu land and spread to other parts of Yoruba land

kikuyu1:
And yet they were only 4% of the population at this time? Coincidence?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4467094

Find out how even Mao was surrounded by these people. Fyi,when Selassie was overthrown in '75 the Communist Dergue,directly influenced by the KGB took over. Mengistu was forced to kill the Emperor by the latter,not more than 5 in number the leader of whom was Jewish. He said,"you must kill him and all the rest of the nobility-as we did with our own."
This was told me by an Amhara Ethiopian buddy's dad who worked for both Selassie and Mengistu's intel service til his defection in the late 70s. Some serious people say these constant murders are actually a sacrifice to Moloch,an integral part of their true religion and I'm inclined to agree.

And wtf does this have to do with Sankara, Lumumba and Nkrumah?

kikuyu1:
And yet they were only 4% of the population at this time? Coincidence?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4467094

Find out how even Mao was surrounded by these people. Fyi,when Selassie was overthrown in '75 the Communist Dergue,directly influenced by the KGB took over. Mengistu was forced to kill the Emperor by the latter,not more than 5 in number the leader of whom was Jewish. He said,"you must kill him and all the rest of the nobility-as we did with our own."
This was told me by an Amhara Ethiopian buddy's dad who worked for both Selassie and Mengistu's intel service til his defection in the late 70s. Some serious people say these constant murders are actually a sacrifice to Moloch,an integral part of their true religion and I'm inclined to agree.

You do realize anyone could do what you just did take pictures and add words to them this is the internet and fake news and history exist but clearly you don't understand that all you bring are memes and pictures instead of books or citations that prove that these people actually said these things because 9 times out of 10 they didn't actually say them.

obaaderemi:
China and Vietnam only started doing well when they embraced elements of capitalism.

Elements of capitalism mixed with communism is socialism which is what I and my party have been suggesting for Nigerians since 1979 but this time we will not be stopped from registration and this movement will truly make waves in Nigeria

obaaderemi:
Sankara was okay but Lumumba was a frivolous half baked politician who just seized an opportune moment.

How was Lumumba bad? He tried to nationalize all of Congo's mineral resources so the profit would stop leaving the country then a fake secesssion and crisis began supported by Belgium and he went everywhere for help America, Sweden, Ghana and Nigeria but none could provide the proper help that he seeked so he then went to the USSR and America said he was a communist for that decision and decided to support his assassination when in truth they knew he wasn't a communist and was just trying to get help to save his country

obaaderemi:
Bro, the IMF gave us recommendations because we took a loan from them. They don't just come in and mess up your economy. The IMF are like doctors (let me put it properly: private hospital owners who are not always very noble) who come here to offer help to a dying person. But their medicine can be and is usually poisonous.

Nigeria's economy was doing very badly in 1985 when we went to the IMF for the first time. Oil prices had crashed in the international market coupled with Buhari's poor management of the economy, we had no choice but to borrow or face further shrinking of the economy.

The naira then was overvalued and would have eventually crashed. Babangida came in and one of the first things he did was to take the IMF loan. They they gave him the hard recommendations.
This was Nigeria in 1985:


Pray tell me, what could we have done?

And how exactly did these private doctors help our economy? Because from what I see they destroyed the currency and till this day haven't helped to heal the wounds caused by their recomendations that's why Sankara banned the IMF when you take a loan from them they add strings to it giving them more power and control on your country and what happens within it and most times out of 10 the atrings attached are detrimental.