₦airaland Forum

AfriqueDuZuid:
Who's Lori iro?

And who is Lai mohamed?

I only know Leo mohamed the British guy

i'll make it simple i'm calling you a liar

AfriqueDuZuid:
Yes pan Africanism did nothing for SA

If you disagree come with hard evidence that it did with reference

Lori Iro are you related to Lai muhammed by any reason

theInterpreter:
thanks bro

Nigeria must change

Indeed it must and the change starts with me and you

mtisTheQubit:
I take a look at Africa... What do I see? I see underdevelopment, poverty, and self-centeredness. The disparity between rich and poor is enormous. Africans running for political office are only concerned with themselves and their families. They steal money, want others to worship them, and parade their extravagant lifestyles in front of us.

Till the people wake up and end mediority we will never progress

theInterpreter:
yeah

I am

any link?

for the first link the start is t . me in one sentence for some reason nairaland censors it so it's t . m e / m o p n i g e r i a with no spaces that's the telegram group the second link is the website still in development but you can donate and the social media pages are mopcentre ( Instagram ) movementofthep1 ( Twitter ) movement of the people ( facebook ) mop centre ( youtube )

/mopnigeria

mop.org.ng

List Of States interested in Socialism and Communism 50% search interest and over

Plateau, Enugu, Oyo, Nasarawa, Delta, Cross River, Osun, Kwara, Oyo, Rivers, Edo, Kaduna, Bauchi and Anambra i'm quite surprised to see two northern states there tbh but these are the states we should target for mass demonstrations and grassroot mobilization movements

cc Hueman

mtisTheQubit:
That's very honest of you ...at least Kenya didn't give a hoot about the whole thing...

Kenya did almost every single African country boycotted the Montreal olympics

AfriqueDuZuid:
What billions? To whom? And why?

Any proof that you sent billions to who ever you sent it to?

Trade - That's nothing new many countries stopped trade with South Africa even Zimbabwe did even Angola did, even European countries did, South Africa main source with Nigeria is 99% oil. And Nigeria was not huge in oil then.

Olympics - boycotting Olympics you just denied your citizenship medals they deserved

Go and search Nigeria apartheid donations and teach yourself

AfriqueDuZuid:
Roads in the South are connected between SA, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Lesotho, Zambia, eswatini up till DR congo

has EU involved itself on how Nigeria economy dynamics? If so

Quote relevant sources, to support your answer

I said the problem with the EU in Europe was dictating the running of economies there or was my grammar bad?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Sharing excess to what?

Tell me why would you want to unite education and Healthcare? We have different budgets, somecountries are federal some are the other

Excess electricity and water at some point African countries will have excess power and the rest will be sold to other countries through the trans African electricity grid and concerning education are you really saying we can't have a unitary exam board like IGCSE or WAEC or WASSCE what's the problem with that federation or not has nothing to do with that and when it comes to healthcare it just means where ever you travel you can still get the same free healthcare as long as you pay your taxes unless you're exempt from them

AfriqueDuZuid:
Countries like Netherlands played 1 huge role that no other country played in advocating against apartheid

So the billions of dollars that Nigeria raised was for nothing? Nigeria boycotted a whole olympics over apartheid, stopped trade with South Africa, stopped the execution of Nelson Mandela go and read about jaja wachuku for that case, they used to do this thing where kids had to bring in money for apartheid every week in schools, civil workers salary was cut for apartheid the money saved from it was used to help ANC we even gave refuge to Nelson Mandela so did Tanzania and Algeria it was pan africanism that did the most for South Africa during apartheid not fucking Netherlands

Hueman:
1) How can I donate some of my money.

2) I did an analysis on which state is more interested in communism based on who searches the word “communism” compared to “Fulani” on google and here are the results. It’s very interesting.

You can use the website it gives the best information on how to donate the website is mop.org.ng

Wow we should go to Bayelsa state quickly and try and set up base there if those statistics are true seems the south south and south east are our best options for a socialist revolution which makes sense with the marginilzation and pollution can you do an analysis on searches of pan africanism and socialism as well.

Let's leave these parties sef and form new ones all APC brought was fulani herdsmen and more poverty and all PDP brought was poverty is it not high time that we abandon them and make new unions and parties for the people by the people? It's time for MOP to come up and change the fortune of Nigeria, MOP is the only fully people led political party in Nigeria and unless us Nigerians rally around the right parties we will see no progress.

theInterpreter:
if not for pan Africanism

his county will still be in apartheid

Don't mind them but bro please i'm looking for like minded Nigerians to join this movement called M.O.P founded by Fela back in 79 and revived by Seun back in December the party is very close to registration just doing its NEC elections then we're on to approach INEC for registration are you interested in joining?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Look at Europe it's very small take the cize of DR Congo compare with europe

Take the population comparison, cos basically pan africanism/African union is just a leaf from European union which is crumbling as we speak

Why do you need 1 singular system? When many countries can't get itself to be in unity,

The one currency is what is the problem and the European Union trying to get involved in how different economies work and what they can and cannot do, all i'm proposing is sharing the excess and uniting the healthcare and education systems and connecting the continent with roads and railways

AfriqueDuZuid:
It makes no sense

Please elaborate I know there are different views on pan africanism but the general idea is Africans coming together to develop Africa essentiallt full integration, connected electricity grids, water and drainage systems, railways, roads, healthcare, education etc. All united under a singular system

AfriqueDuZuid:
I'm not Nigerian

I'm not pan African, the system is flawed but I wish you all the best.

most west africans and east afracans love it

Why aren't you pan african?

Hueman:
Sweden is an imperialist country pretending to be good. Look at how they allow H&M (a big Swedish fast fashion company) to use child labour in Bangladesh.

Norway is just like Sweden, they have a state owned oil company called equinor that’s destroying the Niger delta like shell.

Singapore is a tax heaven for the super rich. It’s very unrealistic for an African country to be. I would rather not be a dumping ground for oyinbo people. Lol

You want to learn from Vietnam learn about their revolutionary struggles. Learn from ho chi min. Learn how they fought against the French and Americans that’s how we will fight against our oppressors. The country is ran by socialist trying to achieve full communism. So yes learn from Vietnam.

Stop accusing North Korea of lying. Just look at their city it’s better than most cities in Africa. Nairobi is mess! So much poverty and struggles everywhere. They apparently living in abject poverty but their cities are better than ours. You can’t deny facts.

Those are private companies and China's government allows foreign companies to own sweatshops where kids make clothes and they are aware of these things so it's not imperialist

Norway and oil okay fair enough

And stop talking about communism we don't need it socialism is as good as perfect and should be adopted by Nigeria if we can be like Vietnam and China it would be perfect.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Invasion of privacy is the US and other European countries best practice, China is still new to that game!

Which journalists were censored? Any proof?

There was never an absolute communist or absolute capitalism, hence mixed market system. China learns more towards communism thought it practice capitalism to some extent

China is a socialist market economy not capitalist and not communist and why are you acting like there's no evidence that China doesn't censor journalism?

Hueman:
Yes you are right neither of them are communist. They have achieved the transitionary stages of socialism. But they’re all trying to achieve real communism. It’s just extremely hard when imperialist nations from the west continue to harass them because they’re threatened by this system. You should join Seun Kuti, Pan African socialist party. We are trying to bring radical changes to this country and it would be nice to have more members in our movement.

Bro I told you about the party remember I was the one that made the thread for M.O.P and in my opinion the Socialist market economy that China has is what Nigeria should aim to achieve and maintain it's the best option and the right place I see no reason to go beyond that stage

Hueman:
Good hopefully that gets you interested in learning about socialism. You should join Seun kuti M.O.P political party. It’s a pan African socialist party. It’s completely new so we need more members.

Unfortunately he's South African but we've built a good number of socialists so far about 5000 members and counting and currently we've raised about 2.5 million naira out of a targeted 20 million naira and this hasn't been officially anounced by talks are under way between NCP, SPN and M.O.P and we're also in talks with several student union groups and youth movements mainly based in Lagos, Ogun, Ondo and Oyo

CXLVII:
I disagree. In everything done 20 decades ago, everything has been revolutionalized. Old ways have become more sophisticated and re-packaged.

There's nothing to disagree with support of traditional religions and cultures has reduced drastically other the years and is only beginning to go up now but even then the support is not as great as it was back when the Ogboni was the arm of all governments in Yoruba land.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I feel like people disregard and disrespect China progress.

I so wish you explore the real China you'll be astonished, Russia and China are success stories.

We all know why Cuba is not prospering. however a mix of free market and command is better.

China is a success stories but in the back story there were millions of deaths, multiple famines and hundreds of human rights violations and now today they invade the privacy of their citizens, jail anyone opposing them then theres the uyghur genocide and the censoring of journalism and journalists. Which is why I say we should copy some of what they did but also learn from their gross mistakes and I hope you know China isn't actually communist but is actually a Socialist market economy which is what Nigeria and other African countries should adopt not full on socialism or communism

Hueman:
The irony of you saying this hilarious. Africa is ruled by so many dictatorship yet we have nothing to show for it. This development thing is more complex than liberal democracy VS authoritarianism.

By the way communism is designed as a dictatorship of the workers. This means workers controls the country. While capitalism is designed as a dictatorship of the bourgeois. Nigeria is a dictatorship controlled by the bourgeois. People like Dangote control this country. He has the state killing his workers when they try to protest against unfair working conditions. You live in a country were many are homeless and dying of hunger but you think it’s better because it’s not communism. Plsssss speak about these economic system from the perspective of an African person.

Communism can only be achieved through a revolution. Do you think Dangote will give us his company if we beg him and vote in the right leaders? They’ll try to kill us before we get it. We have to fight them back. China and ussr got to were they are through a revolution. The west has had those things you talk about yet they’re far away from communism.

You completely ignore the fact that we’ve been allowing the private sector to do what ever they want. I mean look at what she’ll is doing to the Niger delta. They won’t even do that in the west.

Communsim can't work neither Cuba nor Russia nor China are communist a communist country doesn't exist and never can exist we will stick with social democracy and socialism for progress there is no reason for any country to be communist and there's no way it can be achieved.

Hueman:
Oga you are Nigerian. You come from the poverty capital of the world. While looking down on countries that have a better standards of living. North Korea is poor you are right. But those people are living longer than us.

North Korea life expectancy 71
Nigeria life expectancy 55
Cuba life expectancy 78

Dude Nigerians are suffering We are richer than cuba and North Korea but they live longer than us. This tells you how powerful communism is. Stop believing the lies of the west. They have forced neoliberal capitalism on us to keep us underdeveloped and we have nothing to show for it.


Cuba even made their own Covid-19 vaccine with a high efficiency rate and you still want to talk down on communism. What have nigeria even achieved, all our doctors are running away from this neoliberal hell.

“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread.”
-Joseph Stalin

He's Kenyan, North Korea can easily lie about its statistics majority of the country's population is living in abject poverty and they recently had a massive famine only countries we should copy are Sweden, Norway, Vietnam and Singapore.

Hueman:
North Korea life expectancy is 71
Nigeria life expectancy is 55

You do the math.

“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread.“

-Joseph Stalin

North Korea is not a good example and we shouldn't copy them

Hueman:
Your first mistake is thinking we should learn from western Europe. These are countries that grew their wealth from colonialism, imperialism and holding us back. There’s nothing to learn from them. Without us they’ll be living in poverty. China got to were it is with a planned economy. They became a super power without all these harmful things the west did. They industrialize really quickly without holding back the development of the rest of the world. You know who also did this The ussr. These are the people Africans need to learn from. From my definition you can see how saying we should mix socialism and capitalism is an oxymoron. What you just described you wanted was capitalism with a welfare state. And that’s still not a good thing, because workers are still not free. Workers are still exploited under these system. The system is built on imperialism which continues to harm us since we come from the global south. Fun fact: those Norwegian countries have a state owned oil company that are part of the people destroying the Niger delta. Their wealth and social services is built on imperialism. They have to destroy our environment so they can afford these stuff. That’s the truth they never tell you. Socialism are co-op with a little extra step. So you being against Marxist theory but want Co-op is kinda funny.

No actual imo Norway's system is the best initial system for Nigeria then we can slowly move into the final stage of Socialism and Communism is a no no we end at Social democracy or at Socialism and Norway has their own oil reserves they aren't the reason and they don't contribute to the pollution of the Niger Delta the best countries to copy right now are the Scandinavian countries, Vietnam and Singapore what happened in China and Russia is not something we want to see I mean the destruction of human rights, invasion of privacy and the tens of millions that died at first.

Lollittaa:
link

Go on instagram and see the original post

sirwhyteB:
Well Spoken!
I really appreciate your high level of maturity.
Civil war can never solve the problem.
The referendum you talked about seems to be the way out but our leaders can't give it a trial simply because the already knows the possible outcome.

It's obvious that Nigeria is no longer working out positively and most of her citizens are not happy about it.

Which is why we need new people to take power in this country like Moghalu

Lollittaa:
show me one post where he attacked muslims/traditionalists in this country.
You think a private jet doesn't help spread the gospel. But trekking on foot/hopping into bus or keke does?

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Wait so an Imam is not a muslim anymore? Because whenever he talks about religion he talks about both pastors and Imams and traditionalists have been fighting and protesting against the country since british colonial rule

Reference:
True that.
Its like another outrage I noticed post 2015. When folks speaking about government said they were 'hoping' for good governance.

And I was like... gosh. You employ new staff and all you can say is that you are hoping he/she will perform... Who does that nonsense.

You rather make them do your bidding. Force them if they are recalcitrant and fire them if they become impossible. You don't hang around failure like a retard.

Every elected official is on a clock and when thy cannot deliver pronto you place their feet in the fire.

Nigerians are too dull, not knowing how to obtain good governance and ignorantly misinterpreting the holy books.

The problem is all we've done is recycle mediocrity we already saw what Buhari did back then it wasn't even good but we still chose to vote him until we get rid of all past leaders and only allow new technocrats take power we will continue experiencing the same problems in Nigeria so let's all come together and join M.O.P a new party for the people by the people

Lollittaa:
But it is OK to keep quiet when the house of rep for your constituency pockets 400 m naira worth of TAXPAYERS money meant for your constituency in 4 years, right?
Do you pay tax to the church? The church will ALWAYS find funds to get the gospel out whether on horseback or on a high tech private jet. Take note.

Seun Kuti attacks those people as well why doesn't the church? And a private jet doesn't help to spread the gospel and it never has.