₦airaland Forum

rvp2018:
There is nothing marxist about kenya or Africa socialism. Cooperation or socialism is different from communism or marxism. Kenya for example has Africa leading and seventh world cooperative movement. Any communism that is voluntary is socialism - just like Kenya cooperative movement - where people come together, pull resources together and achieve economies of scale - voluntarily.

Communism is where gov forces everyone to cooperate. It just never works. It breed laziness.

Communism is bad and can never work

Socialism has a chance at working depending on the severity of it

ogwumgbe:
Story for the gods, the political class is the reason of poverty in Nigeria, when you people return all the money you people looted and stockpiled in foreign banks, poverty will vanish. That's the solution not all these long epistle. The masses also contribute to poverty in the Nation since they don't want to start a revolution that will send all you vultures out from the government houses

Thank you for this we need more people liek you in positions of leadership are you a member if any political party right now?

rafindo:
I laugh when I hear the word true federalism.Their is no where in the world where the so called true federalism is practiced. Some people are confusing confederation with true federalism

America?

rvp20182:
I dont know enough of Nigeria economy and currency devaluation then but I can tell you IMF template is very similar. You only call IMF when you're bankrupt or about to be bankrupt. World Bank is a development bank - but IMF is the bank of the last resort.

When IMF jets in - it's coming to make painful unpopular decision - that your gov has been unable to make. IMF cannot recommend currency devaluation if you currency is strong. It can only do so if you're having serious issues. If you currency is over-valued; it will be devalued;

For example IMF came to kenya in 1990s - this after our almost economic collapse in 1993. Donors who were then funding our budget upto 60 percent - decided to withdraw funding. Donors were like our oil sector. I can imagine the same crisis would unfold in Nigeria if oil prices were to collapse...and suddenly you gov has haircut of 60 percent.

Without donor funding - kenya gov had no forex - to meet it's import obligation and pay debts - and only option was to devalue the currency.

To devalue the currency that basically mean you print local money; you print Naira or Kshs; so you can repay local debt; you also make your export cheaper; so you can spur international trade.

Obviously IMF has and does get wrong - because economics is a art - no science.

Now how do you stop IMF currency devaluation; if that is your biggest problem; simple freely float your Naira; and it will find it's own base; right now black market rate is 500 to a dollar; and gov rate is 380 dollar; That tells you Naira is OVERVALUED and should be devalued further.

But if you freely float; the market will decide; if you open the economy; you can keep IMF away. If you improve local tax collection; improve local debt market; you keep IMF away.

Bottomline: IT STUPID TO BLAME IMF; BLAME NIGERIA GOV for screwwing your economy. IMF saved your economy - and sadly it still oil dependant - and we wake up tomorrow - to another OIL CRUSH - you'll be in total chaos.

Bro you're an idiot the IMF is not your friend and Nigeria didn't gp to them they came to us and gave us recommendations to strengthen our currency which was already one of the strongest in the world at the time even stronger then the dollar and pound we followed these recommendations and over night the naira went from 80 kobo to 1 dollar ( Kobo is like cents ) to 1 dollar to 20 naira because of IMF recommendations the west is not your friend and never will be when working with them tread lightly.

rvp2018:
Mboya and Mwai Kibaki wrote Kenya's Africa Socialism and It application to planning in kenya in 1965 - that led to very high growth rate rivalling Asian tigers and had Kibaki named the Finance Minister of the Year in 70s

http://repository.kippra.or.ke/bitstream/handle/123456789/2345/AFRICAN-SOCIALISM-AND-ITS-APPLICATION-TO-PLANNING-IN-KENYA.pdf?sequence=6&isAllowed=y

So now marxism is good?

kikuyu1:
SERIOUSLY!? I know a lot of you think those mantras about the bourgeoisie and workers are "cool" but those isms are just a cover for mass murder and theft!
Tell a 50 + yrs Russian or E European the joys of Marxist dogma and see what happens. One of the PROBLEMS with this thread is posters know NOTHING but false doctrines and MSM B.S.
Fyi, all those heroes of Socialism, Lenin,Stalin,Mao, Che and the lesser lights like Trotsky, Molotov, Bela Kun etc, etc were mainly crypto Jewish mass murderers, homos and perverts.

This jewish bs again idgaf about your conspiracy theories and all those people you listed I don't respect them and we don't need to follow the paths of those in China and Russia to achieve the same progress the best example I can give are Sankara and Lumumba what exactly did they do that's so wrong please explain to me how marxism made them Jewish paybots?

rvp20182:
IMF doesnt intervene for no reason. IMF intervention started in 1945s - with Europe - and they had to undertake painful reforms - including letting go of colonies.

IMF only intervenes if a country is going through economic crisis.

This is not to discount the US-USSR machination in Africa and rest of the world during the cold war era.

Then why did IMF intervention destroy Nigeria's economy and currency? If their interventions are helpful and needed?

obaaderemi:
Wait a bit, brother.
Why are the Ghanaians here not defending Nkrumah the way you are doing? Probably, he isn't fondly remembered in Ghana today.

Maybe but the Ghanaians I know of respect him and so do my other family members that read up on these topics all I know is Sankara at least was a great leader

rvp20182:
Sankara is lucky he died early. Leaders that adopted marxism or communism - like Kwame, Mengistu, Nyerere - all collapsed their economy, refused IMF help and eventually were overthrown. Only Nyerere bucked the trend - and admitted failure, resigned, went home with his bicycle and retired. He had made everyone poor himself included.

IMF only comes after you've 'screwed'; they are the receiver manager; they are not coming to be liked; they are coming to give you very serious cancer like treatment - a mix of radiotherapy and chemotherapy - that will you half-dead - but you were dying anyway. It igives you a chance to live again.

The trick is never to get economic cancer - otherwise IMF will come with radio-and-chemo therapy. At worst - run to IMF as soon as early signs show up - otherwise treatment regime will be rough and chance of beating it minimal.

Zim will take another 30yrs to recover..just wait and see.

Nigeria's currency at the time was stronger then the dollar and our manufacturing industry was booming and we were starting to industrialize with the construction of Ajaokuta and an SGR then came a military coup and an IMF intervention for no reason and the everything collapsed for Nigeria

Marxism isn't bad once again China and Russia exist and nothing bad was happening with Sankara and nothing was going to happen to him he was doing great things for his country and developing it very quickly he was taken out by a foreign backed coup by his friend who then went on to be a dictator and destroy all infrastructure and progress that started under Sankara even look at Lumumba he tried to nationalize the resources of DRC and keep the profits inside the country and the west starts a crisis and assasinates him they're against any progress in Black Africa why do you think they're supporting the dissolution of Nigeria and at the same time are supporting Buhari? I'm not necessarily a marxist but I definitely support the sensible African ones like Sankara, Nkrumah and Lumumba who actually tried to develop Africa

rvp20182:
Maybe you're ignorant. Kwame not only collapsed Ghana economy in a record 5yrs - but also refused help from IMF. He couldnt even pay the army salaries - and eventually he was overthrown. Building a 1,000MW plant even today is not a joke - it's very expensive. He should have started with 100Mw -

He was wrong and stubborn...at least Julius Nyerere after collapsing TZ economy - admitted failure and resigned.

He didn't collapse their economy though and of course he refused help from IMF how have they helped so far? You're aware that the complete collapse of the Naira was due to IMF recommended changes to our currency and fiscal policies and it was those changes that recked my family's business which had been going on since the 1920s the IMF is not your friend and they're not helpful, Sankara knew this and he did a lot for Burkina Faso without their help increased literacy, built thousands of schools vaccinated millions, built railways and roads, reduced salaries of government officials and operating costs of the government and greatly reduced their foreign debt and guess what? He was a Marxist just like Kwame Nkrumah

Just30:
I think Lokoja has that in mind

Gwagwalada is an upcoming community, you shouldn't expect them to be think about mass transit.
The has to be real economic vALUE there in order to cause a mass exodus from other communities

Lokoja has nothing in mind the governor is too busy with political ambitions then with actual proper leadership of his state there's no single project in Lokoja for anything that I mentioned but seeing that it's growing that fast I won't be surprised to see it spread to the other side of the River and Gwagwalada although an upcoming community is still in Abuja so should be getting a lot of attention and the governemtn can provide the economic value by placing an industrial park in the area for example but they don't have such plans in place for the people.

rvp20182:
Kwame was a demagogue - who engaged in grandiose projects - without doing the maths. Volta dam - and other stupid adventures - bakrupted Ghana - and it's yet to fully recover to date. He had to be kicked out to save Ghana. Ghana has never fully recovered from hyperinflation, economic collapse and all the mess Kwame left it - including subsequent military dictatorship -

Pray what was economic justification to build 1,000MW plant in 1950s? Yet Ghana in 2020 can barely use 2,000MW!

Once a country get into ZIm like HyperInflation - it very difficult to recover! And that is Kwame Nkrumah legacy in Ghana economic mismanagement.

He could have exported the power to other countries it was part of his plan fir African countries to be connected in all forms including through electricity and his minister for finance and economy was a harvard graduate who was there to help this news of hyper inflation and whatever I don't believe it and the nation wasn't near collapsing whatsoever

rvp20182:
Lots of untruth. 1.5B shs is merely 15m dollars.
Ghana has had Gold - it literally named Gold Coast -for centuries.
That it has failed to use it to turn their country fortunes is something they need serious national introspection.
Kenya is far ahead of Ghana despite being resource barren...in almost most indexes if you ignore the data cooking by Ghana dysfunctional democracy.
Kenyans who have gone to Ghana - can attest - it has VERY POOR educaiton.

Everyone know ZImbwabwe has VERY GOOD education. You do not need statistics for some of these things.

I dont think corruption is to blame for Ghana.

Kwame Nkrumah messed by choosing communism. Ghana got independence in 1956 and by 1962 it was bankrupt.
Kwame had to be kicked out - so IMF could come in and baby sit Ghana.

From there it has been a big mess - except for a few years of Jerry Rawlings.

As we speak it's not different from Zambia - and is a crisis away from defaulting in it's debt.

What wrong with Ghana - it's another Tanzania paradox - it's peaceful, not corrupt, not ethnically divided, has lots of natural resources, and yet it poor. Accra look like a cattle kraal.

I think it's BAD LEADERSHIP - especially the communism hangover - for many years - and the kings/vodoo/cultural nonsense.
They need a cultural reformation to embrace market liberal economy...and they need to become serious - stop gold smuggling - and really make sure the minerals pay.

And stop the brain drain.

I said it had lost 15 million dollars of exports not that is the total value market and Kwame Nkrumah wasn't communsit and even if he was there's no problem with it look at China and Russia

Just30:
The world fastest growing cities

Lokoja could be so beautiful with minimal development just develop the waterfront and provide proper drainage then ensure proper security and Lokoja would already start bringing in more visitors and tourists even other places like Onitsha, Lagos and Asaba would benefit greatly from such and in terms of gwagwalada not much is being done to develop the town which is something i'm really scared about no plans for light rail, roads, drainage or mass social housing projects or at least market regeneration I hope we can such projects very soon.

rvp20182:
First he is inviting this criticism - because he is highlighting South Africa university - instead of his country Ghana.

It was mostly natural resources - gold, diamond - that built south africa economy. Ghana has those minerals. Kenya doesnt yet have natural resources in terms of minerals - of any serious value. Ghana has had gold for centuries...and it has completely failed to use it to turn their country fortunes around. And it cannot blame population like Nigeria.

Search Kenya minerals and go and see what you find and your claim that Kenya doesn't export minerals is false their minerals export has dropped by 1.5 billion shillings since the start of COVID meaning they had a sizeable mineral export market so now please explain that.

Ghana does have good infrastructure at least to a good degree their electricity is good, their education system is quite good and their universities are amazing much better then what Kenya has and the reason why they aren't developed pike with every single other African country is corruption Kwame Nkrumah would have changed the nation but he was ousted early on but that's just how the west ensures poverty among African nations.

Lastly Ghana doesn't control it's resources of it's gold exports and revenue Ghana only gets 2% of it's total output and value the rest is owned by foreign governments and countries so you cannot blame that for that situation.

rvp20182:
Why hasnt ghana used it's minerals like south africa did to build a modern country?

Was it resources or manufacturing for South Africa and stop acting like Kenya doesn't have commercially viable resources

omooba969:
The day we get it right, with politicians who have the political will, then we will seize the opportunity to rectify some nonsense.

That day is now my brother please join M.O.P we need more like minded Nigerians such as yourself and i'll tell you this now come 2022there will be at least 6 major mergers in the Nigerian political scene and hopefully all of them will involve M.O.P I can give you more info on the party if you'd like

Sorry never heard of it before but I can tag someone who might

cc The Transcriber, The Interpreter

Please help us with the meaning of Ajigbonoku

rvp20182:
Kenya GDP rebasing

The rebasing shows that Kenya's nominal GDP crossed the KShs 10 Trillion mark in 2019 to stand at KShs 10.3 Trillion. In 2020, it stood at KShs 10.8 Trillion. Before the rebasing, the 2019 nominal GDP had been calculated at KShs 9.7 Trillion.

After the rebasing of the GDP the share of Agriculture's contribution to GDP has been reduced from 34.1% to 23% (-11.1%)
Some of the sectors whose contribution has been increased are;
1. Real estate from 6.9% to 9.3%, (+2.4%)
2. Transport and storage from 8.5% to 10.8% (+2.3%)
3. Public administration and defence from 3.6% to 5.5%, (+1.9)
4. Construction from 5.6% to 7%. (+1.4%)
5. Information and communication from 1.2% to 2.5% (1.3%)

Isn't that lower? from 10.8 to 10.3 that's not good

onuman:
Return to regional government system is no longer possible in Nigeria, because none of the existing states will like to give up its false autonomy to return to regional government system. Above all, northern region, of all places in Nigeria, shall never accept a return to regional government system. Northern states feed from the existing quasi unitary government system.
Two solutions:
1) let the non viable states mostly in northern region to merge with neighboring state, or create more states in the southern regions;
2) dissolve Nigeria into more manageable countries.

Regionalism can be easily achieved and many people want it just because the elites don't want it doesn't mean that the people don't this is something that we need to understand the people need to be given a voice which is once again something that is being done by my political party only thing that we need to get regionalism is get the right people in power who will put in the necessary changes and adjustments.

omooba969:
It's not a 'ban nor disallowing this group' as you call it but a desperate measure to salvage what's left of our type of democracy.

If we can enforce our electoral laws as well, things would fall in line.

Well the desperate measure would anger the north greatly and the whole nation would collpase if such was put into law the best measure is to try and educate the people as much as possible which is what my party is doing and then from there we can give the people a better chance at choosing the right leaders

omooba969:
I think illiterates should be excluded from voting in the first instance, then roll out an educational program to educate them on their civic duties and responsibilities - this should be mandatory.

Excluding this group would kill off a good number of corrupt politicians (from the political scene) who thrive on the ignorance of the illiterates.

It sounds like a good policy but it's unconstitutional to disallow people above the voting age to not vote due to their standard of education until we can effectively educate as many people as possible that law is basically discriminatory

omooba969:
The day y'all start to be truthful to yasefs.

The masses are the problem.

The uneducated and impoverished masses who cannot see into the future they work from hand to mouth once they learn there's more beyond stomach infrastructure and they can have a lot better standard of living then maybe then they will start making the right choices.

Pavore9:
Those parties you believe captures the aspirations of the youths, going by our history since 1999 are more likely parties that are on the reserve benches of APC and PDP.

Trust me they're not the founder was Fela Kuti and we have a party constitution any old member of APC or PDP cannot join the party even if you've left from there we've done everything we could to ensure this party stays pure through and through and soon we'll be ready to start our nation wide grassroot mobilization we've only properly started in Lagos but now that more funding is coming in it's time all of Nigeria here's our mission and vision

omooba969:
...and your rant ends here.

That wasn't a rant it was a wake up call

Pavore9:
I meant realistically, not this generation.

Check the message abvoe that's my response

Pavore9:
Not

This generation can do it or at least the youths can do it they've already started and there are parties currently working to achieve such Nigerians just need to wake up and choose them.

Figouu:
And what does he mean by true federalism?

We're a federal republic but practice a unitary system of governance when he says true federalism he means an actual federal system practiced by an actual federal public.

Pavore9:
Poverty is the weapon used by our politicians to get into office.

When are we the people going to use consciousness to get the right people into office?

Only way to get true federalism is by voting in the right leaders and the right parties enough of APC, PDP, APGA and any other party that has won an election it's time for an alternative for the people let's all come together and build a party of the masses for the people and by the people and that party is called the Movement Of The People ( M.O.P ) so today i'm calling on all Nigerians to build up this great party today once and for all we cannot keep on living the way we are in this Nigeria.

Grgton:
why federal republic then..

Big scam

To hide the truth of the system

Omicron007:
Nowadays, a lot of people seems to be well versed in matters concerning the state of the nation and while many lament about how things are falling apart, others profer solutions ranging from different perspectives including leadership patterns, policies or even spiritual or religious solutions.

Nigeria is a country with a fair share of its 'good' and 'bad.' From our geography, philosophy, culture, economy, security and social life, we have our shortcomings and successes.

Now the question is this: If you were the President of Nigeria for a day, what will you do? What will be the sector you want to touch before leaving the position?

Remember, “A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd.” – Max Lucado, Christian author and preacher.

Let us discuss!

In this scenario I have full control of the national assembly so I would be able to change the constitution to a degree so i'd start by removing Sharia Law ( PERMANENTLY ) no option for reinstatement, then i'd move on to restructure the nation into 5 regions then the last thing I would try to do is give the people a referendum on whether they want to stay in Nigeria but there must be a specific amount of signatories to a campaign before the referendum can be started properly.