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Cogent: So what exactly are you and what makes you think you can authoritatively declare that Optometrists cannot diagnose Glaucoma?

If you an an optometrist, permit me to debate you on how one can truly make a diagnosis of glaucoma.

AN OPTOMETRIST IS A DOCTOR !
Are you deliberately trying to cause misunderstanding or are you truly this ignorant? I would advice you to google 'Optometrist' if you don't know what the profession is about.

An Optometrist is different from an Optician.
Maybe you are confusing one profession for the other. Google whatever you are not clear about. Stop spreading misinformation.

Sir you are misinforming the general public with the bolded and I will not allow you to get away with it. An optometrist is not a medical doctor! If you did not bag an MBBS, then you are not a medical doctor. However an optometrist can attach Dr to his name after he has acquired a doctorate(Ph.D) degree in optometry. I decided to post an internet resource that could be of help to you in resolving your area of conflict.

Answer:
To answer this question, it is important to distinguish between an optometrist and an ophthalmologist as people often confuse the two. An ophthalmologist is a fully qualified medical doctor who focuses on the eye. An optometrist is not a medical doctor, but does receive several years of specialized training on the eye, prescribing prescription eyeglasses/contacts and diagnosing eye disorders.

Legally, an ophthalmologist can do everything an optometrist can do although in practice day-to-day eye care is typically left to optometrists while ophthalmologists focus more on surgery, prescribing medication and treating more complex eye conditions. Both are an important part of the US healthcare system.

As for whether an optometrist is "called doctor," it depends on the country. In most countries an optometrist is not addressed as "doctor," this title being reserved primarily for medical doctors and those with PhDs. Within the US, the profession has made a particular point about wanting to be addressed as "doctor" and it has become broadly accepted convention to refer to optometrists as such.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_optometrists_called_doctor

Cogent: LMAO.
Something tells me you are an ophthalmologist

Abeg abeg abeg, ACM10, you can be a good ophthalmologist without trying to drag Optometrists' name through the mud kwanu? Medical practitioners need to stick together and work hand in hand in order to further the standard of healthcare in the country. No need for the unnecessary snubbing.

Your earlier statement that Optometrists cannot diagnose glaucoma was very wrong and instead of admitting it you tried to change the subject to a debate about glaucoma.

I just hope you are not feeding people wrong information like this in real life.

No sir/madam! I am not an ophthalmologist and can never be one. I did not feed anyone wrong information. We are all working together for the good of our patients. It is in the best interest of our patients for the relationship to continue. Mind you that it is wrong for an optometrist to play doctor.

Demdem: Let me simplify it for u probably u didn't get the memo. Though I prefer to use igbo, the word ibo is also acceptable. Literary giants that includes Achebe uses it without any qualms. It's not insultive to vast population of igbos/ ibos.

Unlike ibo, yorOoba is a no-no. U will never see any article, book, journal etc that mentions the swestern race and call them Yorubas.

For this reason, the word yorooba attracts a ban but the word ibo doesn't. Achebe surely knows what he is talking about.

Calm down. Life itself isn't fair.

You are a grade one hypocrite. No need to restart the debate we had on this thread few days ago. Which of the recent Achebe's work made reference to Ibo? Why not Ohaneze Ndi Ibo instead of Ohaneze Ndi Igbo? Why can't you guys be fair for once. Why this total disregard for other people sensitivity? Ibo and Yoruba should be banned equally or be left equally.

aijaydiva: my dear! I'm not here to argue but to help create awareness. One thing abt glaucoma is that it has the chronic (primary open angle glaucoma) and the acute one(closed angle glaucoma) which is usually an emergency case. The former is d most common one and is usually the most hammered one because of its lack of symptoms. In dis case vision gradually reduces without the patient even noticing this reduction in vision until one day he notices that his extent of vision has drastically reduced. Most times its detected by the clinician in d course of examination of other eye problems or routine eye check up.
Regular check up is always the answer for early detection and management.

You are yet to answer my question. Gradual loss of vision is one of the symptoms of glaucoma. There are many others. Keep gradual visual loss by the side, how can someone make a diagnosis of glaucoma from the other signs and symptoms? Since you are not an optometrist, I wouldn't want to push you further. I would have loved to have this debate with an optometrist. But I will put a stop to it here.
The optometrist who referred you to an ophthalmologist is worthy of emulation. I salute his professionalism. How I wish other optometrist could copy him. Most will toy with the patient until the very end before referring to an ophthalmologist. Please follow the instructions of an ophthalmologist strictly. Be compliant with your check-up visits. All the best.

berem: you never see anything. when i said it before that dayo reasons with his scrotum, you guys thought i was merely cracking a joke. una don use una eyes see am.

That dude is jobless and disgusting. He spends greater part of his time here going after Igbos. He never wears out. Seun should create bigotry section and make him the moderator.

@Moderators, you guys are yet to act on my request with regards to Mr. Dayokanu. No of you bothered to hide his comment. Mind you that he must serve a ban for making use of the term "Ibo". You will give an impression of bias and selective punishment if you allow him to roam this forum. Hope he is not untouchable?

aijaydiva: If u mean the symptoms well thats d bad part. No symptoms are noticed. In oda words they are asymptomatic. That is why public awareness is necessary to remind people of the dangers of neglecting regular eye checkups. Any loss of vision caused by glaucoma is irreversible but early detection would help u stop progression of damage to vision.

So untrue! Depending on the stage of presentation, glaucoma can be symptomatic or asymptomatic. Well established and late-stage glaucoma are symptomatic. Some early-stage glaucoma are symptomatic. This is where the confusion arise because it can mimic other eye pathology. This is where we separarte the wheat from the chaff. Kindly tell me some of its symptoms so that we can proceed.

aijaydiva: there are three things that confirm the diagnosis of glaucoma, viz, the intraocular pressure (IOP), the individual's visual field and the appearance of the optic nerve head (optic disc). Someone having just high IOP doesnt indicate glaucoma but that patient could be a glaucoma suspect.

Tell me the clinical features of glaucoma before delving into examination. We will still come back to discuss intraocular pressure.

LADEMINUS: Again u fall foul of common knowledge here, ophthalmology has no relationship with epidemiology, neither does optometry, however anyone with the facts at his disposal can make a sane claim (even you) and pls, even a nurse can diagnose glaucoma... What u r saying that an optometrist cannot diagnose glaucome is just like claiming that a doctor cannot diagnose cancer... In both cases of the clinician has the knowledge and instrumentation then he can make d diagnosis. In fact even a year 3 med student can confidently infer a serious cancer correctly!!

Are you serious with the comment that a 3rd year medical student can confidently infer a serious cancer correctly? You must be having a laugh. I guess you are not in tune with the medical school curriculum. In case you don't know, epidemiology is a subsection of every medical field that can make diagnosis of infectious and non-infectious disease. I'm not here to denigrate the optometry profession. They are noble people. But I hate it when people exceeds their limit of competence. For instance, a woman died in our hospital 3 days ago from the complications of labour. She had a previous history of caesarean section during her 2nd delivery, but delivered vaginally in his 3rd pregnancy. Presented at the hospital for her 4th delivery. Unfortunately, the doctor was not around, so the labour was managed by a nurse. She went ahead to augment labour with oxytocin in a woman with signs of obstructed labour and with a previous history of caesarean section. Hmmm. . .ofcourse she had an uterine rupture and was rushed to our hospital. This is a case of a nurse playing doctor. Those little extra knowledge doctors have is what differentiates them from other health workers.

Rewind back to glaucoma. Tell me the criteria for making the diagnosis of glaucoma and how can you differentiate it from intraocular hypertension? I'm waiting. . .

dayokanu: Ibos nearly half in Ife UI and UNILAG? So assuming Ibos are nearly half say 40% how many percentage are SS/MB and How many Percentage are Yorubas? fill in the gaps as you wish



Most oil industry emplyment are by MNC and nothing to do with govt. So spin another lie.

www.nairaland.com/1222556/north-south-west-stealing-nigeria-common#14715520

Can someone deal with this dude immediately?

Enchanted1: Well, in my case, the optometrist was extremely helpful. I do not have glaucoma, however I do have high intraocular eye pressure as well as other risk factors for glaucoma. I went to see an optometrist for my yearly eye-exam and to get new glasses. After performing several tests, the optometrist decided to refer me to an opthamologist that specializes in glaucoma. Thanks to that optometrist (and opthamologist), I am now managing my eye pressure with drops that I use daily. Yes, it will be for the rest of my life but I would much rather have to use drops daily to control my pressure and prevent the development of glaucoma, than to actually have glaucoma itself.
BTW, I am very much under 40 years old o (early 30s). It is so important to check your eyes regularly! Also, do not rule out the value of a good optometrist. They are usually your first contact before seeing an opthamologist -especially since the optometrist is licensed to test eye pressure!!

***to the poster I quoted- Please do not mislead people with false information***

You were doing well until the bolded. I guess you did not read my comment well. Maybe you should put on your prescription lens, or better still, replace it with a high power lens. We are basically saying the same thing. There is no denying the fact that an optometrist operates at a primary eye care level, while an ophthalmologist operates at a tertiary eye care level. What I frowns at is a situation where an optometrist will make a bold claim that bothers on epidemiology. That area is an exclusive reserve of ophthalmologists. An optometrist cannot even make a diagnosis of glaucoma. So how can he jump to epidemiology when he cannot make the diagnosis of the disease in question? We should learn to separate the job of different cadres of health workers. No need to introduce this unnecessary confusion.

aijaydiva: according to WHO, optometrists are licensed eye and vision care providers that refract and dispence optical aids like glasses,diagnose and treat ocular diseases and rehabilate eye conditions. Ophthamologists are medical practioners that specialize in eye diseases and surgery. I hope u have been clarified

You are ignorant! Optometrist is equivalent to a radiographer, while an ophthalmologist is equivalent to a radiologist. Though an optometrist is trained in eye care, but his skills are limited. You wouldn't want an optometrist to toy with your eyes on the operating table.

What authority does an optometrist have to comment on the epidemiology of glaucoma? It is only in Nigeria that one can get this $$hit. I expect an ophthalmologist to make this projection.

APC - Association of Politically Confused

ACN - Association of Criminalized Nigerians

ADC - All Debauch Clique

OAM4J: NO.

@ ALL

In the interest of peace and for avoidance of derogatory attempt doubt, let the South Easterners people be referred to and called Igbo on Niaraland Politics Section. It is only a 4 letter word, not hard to type.

The South Westerners should also be referred to and called Yoruba and not any other name.

Thanks.

Please warn Omonnakoda aka Garri X1, X2, X3 to X1,000,000 to desist from using the term "Ibo" when making reference to us or we will turn this forum into a free-for-all fight. Use of derogatory term "Ibo" cannot be tolerated by us and it should stop! We will respond in kind in a way and manner that pleases us if it does not stop.

omonnakoda: Guy sometimes you behave like a child. We are still waiting for you to answer when the adoption happened and you just continue making stuff up.Nigerian government accepted what where and when There is no parallel with the N word none whatsoever and this so called offence is new and idiosyncratic next you will bring gay and lesbian into it and say its like the H word don't call me Homo call me Gay . You cannot ram a personal choice down everyone's throats . No generally recognized Ibo body has made this an issue otherwise it won't be a secret. If you (IBO NATION)request people Formally to change they will.But this is a very minute number of people trying to force everyone to adopt their view and there has been no unanimous decisions by Ibos just a few who think they know more than everyone.
Why continue to spell Enugu instead of Enugwu
What you are involved in is a corrective campaign which I have no quarrel with.But you are going about it the wrong way. Ibo cam into existence before you were born and will probably outlive you. If you want it to die.First unite Igbos around that cause and give it time. These things take time. Lifetimes that is. Educate young minds who don't know and wait for those who can't learn to die or kill them all

Andrew Uweh commented on Igbo - Ibo controversy. But I'm having a hard time locating the comment where he quoted a source.

Andre Uweh: Igbo and Ibo are not correct. It is Igbo. As you are known as Aribisala0 in this forum, it will not be proper to insult you by spelling your id as Arigbisala0. Ndigbo have made it known since 1973 v that it is Igbo. This was done through the Society for the Promotion of Igbo Language and Culture (SPILAC),a body set up for the promotion of Igbo language and culture. It is nice you mentioned Prof Achebe using Ibo earlier but he and others have stopped that since ages. Am sure you don't write Gold Coast now instead of Ghana, Upper Volta instead of Bukina Faso or Bombay instead of Mumbai.
As a matter of respect, type Igbo instead of Ibo, am sure this is not hard.

https://www.nairaland.com/938835/lets-complaints-suggestions-enquiries-here/40#13803174

BedLam: 9. Get yourself a nice second hand car that costs more than three times your gross monthly pay..

Let's this advice. If a worker earns a gross salary of #100,000. What kind of car do you expect him to buy at the cost of #300,000 in Nigeria. Can you agree with me that this advice does not add up?

10. Give your children everything they ask for since you're such a loving parent.

They should not
struggle for anything because you do not want them to suffer that way, they will grow up lazy &
hence poor enough to ensure they can't help you in old age...

I agree with you partially. Give your children things that you can afford. You can be extremely rich and still train your kids to grow up to be responsible adults.

manny4life: Honestly, it was our historian Odumchi that posted it, give me time to read the article again (when I find it) but it was after 1991 or 2001, if I remember clearly the year but I know it ended in 1.

Andre Uweh posted it sometime this year. I will dig it up later.

manny4life: I can see someone lurking around, looking for whom to ban. His hands are itching

lol

omonnakoda: Where? did they issue a COMMUNIQUE?

Can you please show me where the Yoruba nation issued a communique rejecting the name "Yoruba"

dayokanu: Show us any official literature that has Yoruba" written in it

You just don't get it. The people chose a particular name. I think that is final and binding. Any alteration to the name is derogatory. Whether it is used officially or otherwise.

dayokanu: Ibo is widely used in many literature globally, I have never seen Yoruba in any recognised book even those in your grandmas village library

Quit behaving like a caveman

You have not earned the right to impose a name on people. You are a hypocrite! Either you accept the use of the term "Yoruba" to balance off "Ibo" or you reject both terms

ndu_chucks: Come out of the bush!!! There are world-wide standards which apply to these kinds of issues and which are accepted internationally. I do understand that following rules is not your strong point as evident throughout NL.

Being internationally accepted does not make it locally accepted. By the way, who set the standard. One of the hallmark of standard is that it must be acceptable to the parties involved. You cannot impose your standard on me, you can only modify your standard to accomodate me. The fact that it is widely used in many literature works does not change the derogatory nature of it. The people in question don't want it. Act a gentleman and respect their wish.

ndu_chucks: I'm afraid that the mods in this section have inadvertently created more conflicts among section posters by imposing some of these rules which were apparently not well thoughtout. Ibo has never been considered a derogative term and its usage is recognized world-wide. To the best of my knowledge, Yoruba is not a word in any language or recognized by any world language body. Banning the use of the word Aboki when referring to Northerners is equally senseless. Aboki means friend in Hausa.

Enough of these senseless rules please.


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Why is it so difficult for you guys to understand? Majority of us considers the term "Ibo" derogatory. You cannot choose a name for us without our consent. Get that into your skull. Brits gave us the bastardized form of Igbo because there is no "gb" in their alphabets. We, in turn gave them the name "Oyibo". Now, tell me how David Cameron will feel if you refer to him as Oyibo in formal or informal setting?

Afam4eva: I think you have a point there. We will look into it.

There is no point in it. We have the right to determine if a name is derogatory or not. What does it take someone to refer to us as Igbos(written as pronounced)? If he considers Yoruba(written as pronounced) offensive, what right does he have to re-christen us?

True talk

AwkaMadeGun = Chino = Eastsidaz

~Bluetooth:
Why are ibos so dirty like this ? You acknowledged that the place is dirty;that it's close to the canal but when you Governor asked you to move away from the filthy canal,you started bitching like an assshole.

It's not COMPULSORY to live,hustle and die in Lagos.there are many spare parts markets in iboland and if anybody isn't going to comply with enivironmental laws in Lagos,they can move to their gully-infested East and earn a lucrative living there.


Now we know who is really shiiting around Lagos.

https://www.nairaland.com/1220769/losses-woes.........laments-ladipo-trader#14687803

Justice delayed is justice denied. . .

It will be a great a miscarriage of justice if this known serial tribalist is not given a lengthy ban(don't just hide his comment).

I implore the mods to move swiftly and act on this case.

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Afam can u name five players in Ranger's first team?

Today's market is terrible for us trend traders. It's volatility can blow your account if you gets emotional. Better to rest. Sometimes you lose.

Happy birthday to doctor, artist and Mr. Handsome/Mr. Nice. . .Bro u are endowed

^^

Yoruba is sweeter. Don't you think so?