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I hope with 700k, he is bringing it tp your doorstep. Else, its not worth it in my view. Am sure thats the purchase price which you will ship, clear and transport.

The car is an E-class produced between 1996-2003 with most probably a V6 engine. The one in the pic may be 1999 or older.

Piyke:
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The file is a bit bulky though (almost 400mb) and you will need a fast connection, if not the download will keep breaking.

That will be on Monday using office LTE network. I made a search for it last week but didnt get. Thanks for this.

egbesegbe:
Since you know it has different context and concepts, why will prof come out and publicly denounced the context used by GEJ?

Kai, u r impossible. I have tried to put up something for you but its pointless.

egbesegbe:
I am not defending anybody my dear. So, are you saying everything you get from Google is absolutely right? My dear, are you serious with what you are saying. For the fact he got one out of over 20 definitions of corruption from the net to put up a criticism that is not logical to GEJ's explanation is very unprofessional as a prof. I am even disappointed with the way you put up your argument.

Because the google, the Prof and me dont align with you or GEJ we are all wrong and you are disappointed.

Dont forget that each number of the defination of word corruption, it has a different context.

I dont have anything more to tell you.

thegoodjoehunt3:
If someone steals your virtual/digital money, he has stolen your property.

If someone comes to your house and takes money you left in the drawer without legal right or permission, he has stolen.

Cut the long story short. Stealing is a corrupt act, no matter the form whether graft or fraud. The officials are corrupt.

GEJ is wrong when he said stealing is not corruption.

There is nothing wrong with what you have said. However, stealing is a corrupt act but the context in which the corrupt is mention refers to the state of the stealers mind. Like i said before corruption has 9 other context.

egbesegbe:
I now see how the prof will rule a country of over 160 millions through goggle. I am not a partisan politician, but I strongly believe more in practical things than theoretical phenomenon. If a whole prof is consulting Google to tweet, I doubt his capabilities of handling practical issues in Nigeria. We Nigerians should cultivate the habit of critical analysis than following Google like zombie because it was originated from the whites. What gives you that assurance that the person that describes corruption there know it all? If a professor in Nigeria cannot discern a wrong definition from the net and comes out publicly to criticise a simple logic, then we have a great problem in our educational sector.

Kai kai kai!

This is the lowest of the low comment about this matter. Can you hear yourself.

If GEJ had consulted google, it would not have done him that damage that he is trying tooth and nail to defend. You should be ashamed that you criticize someone who rightly referred to the right source but you go ahead to question the credibility of google just to discredit him.

The definition by google is wrong? Are you high? You entertain this thought just because you want to defend GEJ by all means. Am amazed.

Where did we get English from?

egbesegbe:
Fraud is perpetuated by a corrupt individual. A corrupt mind yields to pressure of committing fraud, thievery and manipulation. Apparently, those guys from the scenario are corrupt.

I agree because oxford dictionary has 9 other definitions of corruption as regards difference context. A mind can be corrupt in that context. A computer system can be corrupt in that context and so on and so forth. In the government context, stealing and corruption are quite different.

egbesegbe:
If you commit fraud either in public or private domain, you are corrupt. So following prof's definition, he is wrong. It is not only people in power that you can address their acts as corrupt. Private firms participants can be addressed as corrupt if they commit fraud, thievery or manipulation

Thats why fraud and corruption are synonymous while both are not synonymous with stealing. I also initially thought the way you were thinking until i checked the definition of corruption in the dictionary myself. Check the definition yourself and save yourself from GEJ.

If Prof's definition is wrong, Google is wrong because he got his definition exactly from Google without changing a word. This is where you, GEJ and others shoot yourselves on the foot.

thegoodjoehunt3:

Corruption is dishonest actions that destroys people's trust in the person or group

http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/corruption

My question to you. Is stealing of public money by a corrupt official not a dishonest action that destroys the people's trust?

Note Virtual currency is treated as priperty by the American IRS.

If you have money in your PayPal account, it is treated as property.

Stealing and corruption may have a common synonym but may not be synonyms themselves.

The terms money and currency are not synonymous and cannot be used interchangeably. Currency cannot even be a property in the first place. Who's property is the Nigerian Naira or the American Dollar? I am not an economist but in my knowledge, virtual money and virtual currency are one and the same thing. A search on Google gave me a Wikipedia definition of virtual currency as digital money. This brings us back to the same thing , Money. In this case digital money may have a value different from that of liquid money and may not be used to settle liabilities. So technical by my understanding of that economics, digital money or virtual currency as you may call it can be said to be a property.

In summary, virtual currency is a property and therfore not money.

Hope you got my point.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Defining corruption with one word is fraudulent or dishonest.

If the scenario is fraud, it is corrupt.

Considering that fraud and corruption are synonymous, you can use corruption to describe the scenario and wont be totally wrong. However, the precise term as per grammar and law, its called fraud.

egbesegbe:
Let assume a supervisor of my filling station connived with a tanker driver of a private firm to sign an invoice on diesel whereas kerosene was delivered, do we now feel it is not a corruption because we are not in public business? Let's put sentiment aside, Prof got it w

They committed fraud on you. Not corruption nor stealing. That scenario is called FRAUD!

You need to drop sentiment and use the correct grammar. Am sure you did Lexis and structure in WAEC. That part of English language relates to these kind of terms.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Money is Property. Now read your definition of stealing again.

We will be going round and round if you continue like this.

Money is not property. Property has a value in money so money can not have a value other that what it is. Every other thing you own has a value in money thats why its called property but the money you have is its own value so not a property. This is plain economics not English.

thegoodjoehunt3:
I do not get your point. Are you saying money can not be stolen by government officials? SMH.

Yes.
Money or government property "stolen" by government official is called corruption.
Money "stolen" by a politician is called graft
Money "stolen" by bank official is called fraud.
The car "stolen" from your garage is called stealing.

See in another view the difference between Stealing and Corruption as regards government official and its property.
For example, if a director of the ministry of works sells his official car and pockets the entire money, he stole the car because his superior will ask him to account for the car. This is where it gets tricky because if he successfully convinces his superior such that there is no longer record as if the car never existed, that act of stealing has been converted to corruption. You cannot steal what was never there. In the case, if the director cannot explain give back the money realized from the sale to government coffers that is fraud. and finally if he didn't sell the car but converted the physical car to his personal use without intention of returning the car to government, that is called stealing. The reason why stealing hardly happens in government is that if that director does not return the car, his severance pay, gratuity, or pension is withheld to the value of the car which neutralizes the stealing. A government official can not get away with stealing. If his superior pays entitlements without penalizing him for stealing the car, it becomes a corruption case.

Where ever way you go about a government official getting away with stealing ends up a corruption case not stealing. You cant get away with stealing but can get away with corruption thats why stealing is only physical.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Do you read what you post?

In the definition you posted, stealing involves taking so etching without legal right. If a corrupt official fraudulently takes [b]money [/b]or property without legal right, is that not stealing?

GEJ is wrong here. Prof. Osinbanjo is right. There is no way it can be spun.

Where you are making a mistake is that the definition of stealing says property while fraud is money. Fraud in government is corruption. Fraud in a bank remains fraud.

Get it straight this last time
Stealing is as to property
Fraud is as to money and others

while Fraud in government is corruption
fraud in the private sector is still fraud.

Stealing is physical property while fraud is not but includes only physical cash or documents

Get it?

thegoodjoehunt3:
dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery." = Corruption.

Let us break down your definition of corruption.
1. Dishonest or fraudulent.
2. In Power.

The bribery listed there is for clarification.

No a government official stealing, is he
1. Dishonest and fraudulent? Yes.
2. Is he in power? Yes. So how can GEJ say stealing is not Corruption?

Once you accept the fact that the act which a government official is found wanting is called fraud or fraudulent, stealing was not the act. So you are wrong to say he committed stealing but he committed fraud. The two are not related in the context of government official. You may refer to the definition of stealing.

steal
stēl
verb
present participle: stealing
1.
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Stealing refers to property

Do you know that according to Oxford dictionary, GEJ has actually corrupted the meaning of the word corruption in context of the 6th definition of corruption under the context of the 9th definition of corruption?

http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/42045?redirectedFrom=corruption#eid

6.
a. Perversion or destruction of integrity in the discharge of public duties by bribery or favour; the use or existence of corrupt practices, esp. in a state, public corporation, etc.

c1425 Wyntoun Cron. vii. viii. 703 Quhat for corruptyown and inwy, Thare charge þai dyd nocht detfully.
1494 Act 11 Hen. VII c. 21 If any of the petit Jury toke..any some of money..after any suche corrupcion by the Graund Jury founden, etc.
1576 W. Lambarde Perambulation of Kent 127 Guy..escaped sone after, by corruption of his keepers.
a1600 R. Hooker Of Lawes Eccl. Politie vii. xxiv, in Wks. (1662) 68 Simoniacal corruption I may not for honors sake suspect.
1651 T. Hobbes Leviathan ii. xxvi. 144 The frequent corruption and partiality of Judges.
1769 ‘Junius’ Stat Nominis Umbra (1772) I. i. 14 It is not sufficient..that judges are superior to the vileness of pecuniary corruption.
1827 H. Hallam Constit. Hist. Eng. II. xii. 263 The real vice of this parliament was not intemperance, but corruption.
1880 J. McCarthy Hist. our Own Times IV. lix. 316 The ballot has not extinguished corruption in small boroughs.

b. A case or instance of corrupt practice.

1621 H. Elsynge Notes Deb. House of Lords (1870) 14 The corrupcion wherewith the L. Chancellor was charged, viz., twenty-three severall corrupcions proved by wytnesses.

9.
a. Change of language, a text, word, etc. from its correct or original condition to one of incorrectness, deterioration, etc.

a1513 R. Fabyan New Cronycles Eng. & Fraunce (1516) I. xlvii. f. xvi, It was called Caerlud or Luddys towne. and after by corrupcyon or shortyng of the speche it was named London.
1599 F. Thynne Animaduersions (1875) 6 Of necessytye, bothe in matter, myter, and meaninge, yt [Chaucer's text] must needes gather corruptione, passinge throughe so manye handes.
1634 J. Ford Chron. Hist. Perkin Warbeck i. sig. C2, Tell me..Is it [the writing] a sure intelligence of all The progresse of our enemies intents Without corruption?
1686 R. Plot Nat. Hist. Staffs. x. 417 It was ever after call'd Wulfrunes-Hampton, since by corruption of speech Wolverhampton.
1710 Swift Tatler No. 230. ⁋3 The continual Corruption of our English Tongue.
1861 F. Max Müller Lect. Sci. Lang. (1880) I. ii. 47 By phonetic corruption..not only the form, but the whole nature of language is destroyed.
1862 G. Rawlinson Five Great Monarchies I. viii. 215 His numbers having suffered corruption during their passage through so many hands.

b. A concrete instance of such alteration.

1699 R. Bentley Diss. Epist. Phalaris (new ed.) 228 As for the two other names, Aristodolium and Archebolion; the former is a manifest Corruption.
1711 R. Steele Spectator No. 80. ⁋9, I am not against reforming the Corruptions of Speech you mention.
1751 Johnson Rambler No. 177. ⁋9 A copy..by the help of which, the text might be freed from several corruptions.
1856 A. P. Stanley Sinai & Palestine (1858) v. 233 Nâblus being the corruption of Neapolis.

thegoodjoehunt3:
dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery."

That is the definition you put up, is fraud not a form of stealing? You can not disassociate stealing from Corruption.

Can you give an instance of someone being corrupt without stealing something? That is gaining something that is not rightfully his.

Dont you have Google to find out for yourself, haba! You are on the Internet right now but you cant check a definition for yourself. You are doing a great disservice to yourself and the nation if you cant verify a simple thing like a definition. The dictionary or Google has a lot of synonyms which stealing isn't one. If you want it added, i cant do that for you, send an appeal to OED (Oxford English Dictionary) with proof of why it needs to be added. Google is your friend my brother.

MzNelly:
Lol, I'm doing this because Onozboy dared me to

Leggo

1. Attempted to twerk.

2. Measured his Johnson.

3. Pick upon a pair of boxers off the floor, smelled them and wear them regardless of what they smelt like.

4. Written his name with his urine while pissing.

5. Combed his chest hair.

6. Free styled and truly believed they were born rappers.

7. Hold the Johnson upwards while peeing and pretend it's a fountain.

8. Self-Serviced

9. Scratched their balls.

10. Open their legs as wide as possible when their balls get stuck to their thighs, so it unsticks. Best feeling ever.

2. When i was younger

3. Busy period with no time for laundry, i choose the least smelly of the lot

8. We all did that when we were immature and didn't have babes, now with a wife, i will get a divorce if she catches me

9. I have a addiction to this, i sleep with my hands cupping the balls. So don't sleep in public so i don't do it by reflex embarrassing myself

10. The hair on the balls can cause a lot of pain and discomfort when it gets caught up.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Does that mean we can not understand and break it down?

I read the definition and broke it down.

Corruption = Abuse of power for personal gains. That is what reading and understanding is about. After reading the definition, you have a right to understand it.

Any break down leads you to synonyms. Thats their use to help you break it down. You have an example stated as well. When you link stealing in to it when it is not in the synonyms, that is not English accepted because you have gone out of context of the word corruption. Other dictionaries will also not go out of context. Google gives you the most accepted definition.

This is what http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corruption says

corruption
noun cor·rup·tion \kə-ˈrəp-shən\
: dishonest or illegal behavior especially by powerful people (such as government officials or police officers)

: the act of corrupting someone or something

: something that has been changed from its original form

The last definition indicts Jonathan for corrupting the definition of the word "corruption". I wouldnt be wrong to say GEJ is corrupt even if he didn't commit fraud.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Why not define corruption?

Neither me, GEJ, Osinbajo or you invent English and cannot add a new definition or synonym to English. The definition of corruption is standard and i quote "dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery."

That is what English says not what you, me or GEJ say it is. Get that!

Many people in support of the president who are not illiterates have no shame to know the president was wrong but will never accept that he is. PDP supporters who are quick to call someone an illiterate are actually illiterates themselves.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Physical property are not the only things that can be stolen.

Traffic Warden demanding money for an offense = Stealing.

The person who committed the offense deserves punishment. The traffic warden does not deserve the money he asked for but he used his office to still from the person. Stealing.

The teacher demanding money to upgrade scores = Stealing.

He does not deserve the hard earned money from the parent but abuses his office to steal (corruption) from the parent.

Lecturer demanding body pleasures for grades = Stealing.

He is robbing(Stealing) the girls pride and dignity for his personal gain (Corruption).

Do you know what a dictionary is? Search for one and check the meaning of corruption then come back and edit your post.

Calculia:
Those in power alone? Prof u don fall my hand...


Besides, what we have in Nigeria is beyond that gentle man definition.


As GEJ put it, in Nigeria we have thieves not corruption.

You like Jonathan think we are illiterates? If you have a phone that has internet, go to google and type "CORRUPTION".

This is what comes out.

cor·rup·tion
kəˈrəpSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
"the journalist who wants to expose corruption in high places"
synonyms: dishonesty, unscrupulousness, double-dealing, fraud, fraudulence, misconduct, crime, criminality, wrongdoing; More
antonyms: honesty
the action of making someone or something morally depraved or the state of being so.
"the word “addict” conjures up evil and corruption"
synonyms: immorality, depravity, vice, degeneracy, perversion, debauchery, dissoluteness, decadence, wickedness, evil, sin, sinfulness, ungodliness; formalturpitude
"his fall into corruption"
archaic
decay; putrefaction.
"the potato turned black and rotten with corruption"
2.
the process by which something, typically a word or expression, is changed from its original use or meaning to one that is regarded as erroneous or debased.
synonyms: alteration, bastardization, debasement, adulteration
"these figures have been subject to corruption"

This is from Google and it is international accepted. Why do you and your oga Jona want to redefine it, to suit your failures? In the synonyms, there is nothing like "stealing" or "thieving", either this president is actually dull or has no conscience.

synonyms: dishonesty, unscrupulousness, double-dealing, fraud, fraudulence, misconduct, crime, criminality, wrongdoing; bribery, venality, extortion, profiteering, payola; informalgraft, grift, crookedness, sleaze

udemzyudex:
i won't reply you again bro,i'll just advice you to calm down,give urself some minutes,go back and read all ur post again then reason with yourself and see if what you're posting here is correct cos people tend to post rubbish when their brain is hot..

I advise you do same to yours.

udemzyudex:
www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/creation-polling-units-ekwueme-clark-others-ask-jega-resign/ no time to argue,go and read that.

See yourself. Referring me to an exercise that was not implemented means you do not have even one solid fact to support your allegation in Jega. It was a mere proposal which wasn't a wrong thing to do. Do you know the sharing formula for distribution of the 30,000 new PUs? It was based on the existing PUs which Jega was not the one who created it. The timing was what you should question but not the distribution. The distribution is a logical one that no one can question which shared new PU based on proportion of existing ones. So no area had advantage against the other. Referring me to well known ethnic bigots like Clark and Ekweme means you don't investigate facts on your own but mere propaganda peddling.

In fact, from your link which probably you read only the headline, "basis of 15% equality and 85% proportional representation" was used. If the north were to fight for 100% proportional representation it will be worst than what they were crying. The basis of 15% equality favoured the south which they still complained. We all know not even 50% equality will favour ethnic bigots like Clark especially.

udemzyudex:
bros i'll say it over and over again, INEC is making this PVC collection to favour some part of the country... Why did INEC decide to create more polling unot in the north than the south,do you want to tell me that its because the south don't like to vote or what? You and i know that,INEC want to disenfrienchise some of this people.. If you think they don't want to go out and collect their PVC then why are they complaining? Why will someone complain over something he/she is not bothered about? Na wa for you ooo

Are you serious? Was the polling unit allocated today or was it done by Jega? You have no proof or fact so stop spreading baseless allegations. Do you even know how PU are allocated?

udemzyudex:
oga pls stop saying what u don't know.. Many people have been caling on radio saying that they av not gotten theirs,some will go for more than 2days and still hear the same thing.. How will someone tell u to go to a chairman house to collect ur PVC,those living in Akute can attest to this.. On channels TV,the statistic shows that the north and southwest have collected more PVC's than any region,why is it so? How do u know that those people over there don't want to collect theirs? Inec is a disgrace to this country,after collecting that huge amount with four yrs time to sort things out,cos he is afraid of displaying his stupidy outside thats why he is shifting the blame to government,he should be happy they save his sorry ass cos he won't like what this country would have turn into if he didn't postpone it...

Have you heard of 'voter apathy'? It cant be the same everywhere in Nigeria. We all know the Igbos are business oriented people who usually have a lower voter apathy. You cant compare the love for politics between the Hausa and the Igbo man. Because one region has collected more than others does not mean the system is skewed to favour one. States that collected less than others should cry out if thats what you are saying. In some states, cards were snatched, do you expect inec to stop elections because those people who are afffected wont see their cards. Would you say for fairness that states which sharing is peaceful should encaurage snatchers for solidarity so that the collection rate must be same? Are you expecting the collection to be 100%? Do you know how long it took me in the north to get my pvc? You dont have to carry all pdp propaganda like the holy scripture.

Inec has made all the requirements to conduct that elections, GEJ chickened out, period.

ellechrystal:
Gbam. .exactly my thoughts. Some ppl don't read, they don't research, they don't even comprehend wats going on. Too bad.
These days ppl insult d govt anyhow, an old man once told me that the problem we ve in Nigeria is Obasanjo n freedom of speech, n I agree with him.
Most of us just talk n type anyhow. D devil has succeeded in making more than 70 percent of the world today go into the sin of rebelion and disobedience all sheeped up in a package called freedom of speech. We rebel n insult d govt we don't respect authorities anymore, wen d bible clearly stated that we should obey authorities.
The opposition that is encouraging rebellion n insult, I hope if they happen to rule, they will take it just like the present govt has swallowed enough, cos they don't look like they would.
Back to d postponement ish...
too many ppl in d south havnt gotten their cards n how do they expect to do a free n fair election with that? Denying one an opportunity to vote for his preferred candidate.
one would think they r up to something.
I think this six weeks will help a lot.let INEC use it to release all the voters card they r keeping.
let's learn to see things in two ways not just one way.

If people in the south didnot get their pvc so inec should go house to house and make sure they collect them abi? The questions you need to ask are;

Did inec produce the cards or not?
Are the cards in the distribution center or not?
The northerners that collected theirs, was the distribution or timeline different from that in the south?

Virtually all the people i know who dont have pvc are those that have not yet gone to collect theirs or now recide far from where they register and wont travel for it. Both of these set of people, inec is not responsible for.

Denn:
Thanks for your response.
As regards the alignment, i will be posting pictures of the underside soon.

My choice of OEM similar tires reside on the availability of a matching tire. First the tires on the bug were manufactured by Dunlop Nigeria (only God knows when), the tires also have unfamiliar size descriptions not similar to the conventional ones i know of. In addition, the tires on the vehicle are slim corresponding with the steel wheels. I wont mind an advise on a conventional size i can use. I do not mind using tubeless as long as it will fit...


**** i knew you would have owned a beetle before.... how was the experience then? did it come at a time when star lager was sold in cartons? when condensed peak milk and uncle ben's rice was the standard purchase at Kingsway? Did you service the vehicle with AP Visco SAE 40 Engine oil....so many questions...

Nice thread, i am following.

My dad drove the beetle from 1981 to 1999 when i sold it for 15k. I remember my dad always having exactly the same type of tires i see on yours. However, the aspect ratio on yours seem to be a little higher than usual.

promisechild:
If you like postpone it to december me and my family will still vote Goodluck Ebele Jonathan(GEJ)....










Hmmm from febuhari now to marchuhari(mortuary) lol i no fit laugh.....

Marchuari! Very funny indeed.

As a matter of fact the news is not correct and its confirmed to be a rumour based on strong indications. A press briefing is about to be made by INEC. They are in a meeting at the moment.

Chigold101:
i pray it is true... More true than ever...

There will be no significant change in the preparedness of INEC after 6 weeks. There will also not be an end to Boko Haram in 6 weeks to guarantee all IDP's vote in their homes. Lastly, those who believe that they have been disenfrachised since they probably registered far away from their present location will still not collect their PVC or be allowed to vote with TVC except if they decide to travel to where they registered.

What then is the point for shifting the polls other than total waste of Nigeria's resources and more elaborate rigging plans.

INEC reached the decision to postpone the 2015 General Elections at a stakeholders meeting held today, February 7, The Associated Press reports.

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INEC Chairman, Attahiru Jega (Peoples Daily NG)
The Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) has decided to postpone the 2015 General Elections.

INEC reached the decision at a stakeholders meeting held today, February 7. INEC had earlier announced that it would reach a final decision today.

An official close to the commission told The Associated Press that INEC had decided to postpone the election for six weeks due to the threat posed by Boko Haram.

The source added that the poll shift would allow extra time for a newly constituted multinational force to secure the North-East which is currently being plagued by Boko Haram attacks.

It would also enable the commission continue distribution of Permanent Voters Cards (PVC) to citizens to prevent mass disenfranchisement.

INEC is expected to make an official announcement of the postponement at a news conference later in the day.

The initial call for the postponement of the polls was made by National Security Adviser, Sambo Dasuki but it was voted against by the Council of State.

US Secretary of State, John Kerry also warned Nigeria against postponing the polls.

Story developing.

www.pulse.ng/politics/breaking-news-inec-postpones-nigeria-2015-general-elections-for-6-weeks-id3465280.html

I just hope its not true.