BreezyRita: My advice? Stick to what you believe in. I pay tithes because I know the blessings that come with it. If Freeze ain't comfortable with what I do with my money I wonder what kinda man he is.
Last I checked tithing isn't a prerequisite for making heaven. Its one of the many channels of blessings. Oyedepo has never said people who don't pay tithe are permanent beggars and I'm surprised to see that thread on FP. I've not watched the video though.
Las las, I see no reason why we shouldn't hear word on this issue. What is it biko? People have been refusing to tithe for a long time. Let's have some shush on this matter
I don't think d guy is bothered abt what you do with your money. He, like any bible believing xtian is bothered abt d manipulation of people's minds by pastors on dis issue of tithing. It is not wrong to pay tithes if it is from your heart. What is wrong is pastors cursing people for not paying.
[quote author=deebrain post=62671281]Anyone who takes this gentleman seriously is unfortunate.
I proudly and would proudly pay my tithe to my church. Forever.
If you like and i speak to all these nairalanders, the lagoon is always available for you and your families to jump into.[/quote
This doesn't sound like somethin comin from a xtian mind. Dis is what xtianity has turned to: obey your GO...whatever d bible says does not matter. It's a pity.
Thank you so much. The world has been deceived![/quote
We thank God my bro. D problem is that people don't read their bible. There are so many misconceptions ingrained in modern xtianity. May God expose them all in Jesus Name.
So you mean the we the Christians will partake in the 7 years tribulation? if you read the bible with other scriptural references you will understand this better. The apostasy created this write ups. Rapture is different the second coming... And second coming will happen at almost the end of the second half of the tribulation period.
She got it spot on. Let me help you out:Apostle Paul stated dat d first to go by rapture will be d dead saints. This is d first resurrection. Now read Rev 20:4-5. Those dat partook in d first resurrection were killed during d great tribulation. How is dis possible if d rapture had taken place before d great tribulation?
So you mean the we the Christians will partake in the 7 years tribulation? if you read the bible with other scriptural references you will understand this better. The apostasy created this write ups. Rapture is different the second coming... And second coming will happen at almost the end of the second half of the tribulation period.
Livefreeordieha: i don't know wat to say...So i will just chuckle sovietly and remember what someone once said here...That apostle wey nor fit cure bald hair...Iz dat one an apostle...Nor be me talk am Ooo...And nobody shud attack me ooo,cuz it's like I'm sleepy���
You and d guy are wrong. Now, I am not debating whether apostle Svleman is true or fake as I cannot vouch for most ''men of God'' in Nigeria. But you cannot use dat logic. Why? In d scriptures Prophet Elijah was said to be bald, he performed many miracles, n he surely was a man of GOD. 2 Kings 2:23. Shalom.
I don't infer spiritual things from random quotes. Tell me from d scriptures if God Almighty has a God over Him. As in, if He refers to anyone as ''my God'' in d bible. Answer from d bible and no mental gymnastics.
DanXplore: I am a Christian and i love God and it is my civic obligation to acknowledge the truth. What freeze in his own unique way has said is the pure truth. I might not be the wisest man on earth but when i hear the plain truth i know.
Tithing was and is never a part of the new covenant. I repeat, tithing is not a part of the new covenant. While i know that most pastors teach tithing out of a heart of sincerity, the doctrine in itself is wrong! It is bad and dangerous when error is taught with utmost sincerity and zeal. Zeal that does not come from knowledge and truth is catastrophic.
What God requires in the new covenant is obedience. Not following some old ritual.
Nevertheless, your actions become spiritual when faith is applied it. If u decide to give 10% to a local assembly because you feel their is a need to be met or because you want to honour God, then that is fine. Another person can decide to give 50%. All is done according to one's faith. If the church fully practices what the founding fathers practiced as christianity, people will even give more than 10%. Authentic blessing will flow if one follows the teachings of Jesus.
Tithing came with the Law and is of the law. Abraham tithed before the law to honour a man of God, melchizedeck. God had to make tithing a command because the people were inherently greedy and so he had to force a way, by means of the law, to cause men to give. This is not so in the new covenant. Our giving should not be forced based on some religious promulgation, but based on the love and truth that is on the tablets of our heart.
Scripture is palpable enough to be misconstrued. Paul said if he could not spare his Son, how much more will he give us all things. James said true religion is to help those in need. Your love for God is seen in service to men. God will not bless you because you are faithful in giving 10% of your money but rather in your consistency in maintaining the character of christ in your environment. In another place, it says he has given unto us all that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of Jesus christ...NOT through the law. knowledge in this context represents the systems of the kingdom of Christ which is predicated upon love, trust and sincerity and not some law.
Wow!!! God has really given you understanding and wisdom. God bless you for this piece. It shows there are still christians in Nigeria and not all are ''my pastor is always right''.
[quote author=Kundagarten post=61612651]The Abiola the @op is talking about, won an election but his slave masters up north said no, and there was nothing they could do about it. [/quote
Actually the Yorubas did somethin about it. They fought until those 'slave masters' gave them the presidency in 1999. If the wrong had been done to the Igbos, the 'slave masters' wouldnt have given a single fvck as they always know Igbos are noise makers and chest beaters without action.
months: No member of my family and never will my children go to School to waste their time learning a language that is useless in commerce, science and technology.
I sent them to school to develop themselves and contribute to human development.
How is my Igbo son/daughter learning Yoruba useful?
All this yoruba attempt to convert other tribes to yoruba is doomed to fail.
Go and teach your yoruba children their language, culture and heritage, leave other tribes out of it.
We will not hesitate to drag Lagos state government to court and get that Bill by Lagos State Assembly struck out as unconstitutional.
Just leave our children that are not yoruba out of your tribalistic ethnic domination agenda of other tribes residing the the Commercial capital of our Country Nigeria.
Or as an option pack out of Lagos back to your village where you can speak all the Igbo you want without anyone disturbing you.
No wonder many white supremacists think black people are a bunch of sub-human savages. See the rubbish you're spewing about fellow black people with your delusions of grandeur. The South is a wretched, impoverished hell-hole. The only difference with the North is cultural and not due to some phantom, phony horseshiit about genetic inferiority. We were simply more fortunate to have been deeper penetrated by Western culture and education while the North, who were more resistant to this Westernization weren't. Pre-colonial Northern Nigeria was a more advanced civilization than the South, especially the highly primitive Eastern regions in the South. Better grow up and stop peddling your hateful stewpidity around.
It's actually genetic. There is a lot of in-breeding going on in the muslim north. 1st cousins marrying themselves etc. Dis reduces offspring IQ. Have you ever heard a northerner make an analysis before? You will be shocked.
Brigadier Ogundipe is chased out of Lagos Yoruba land and out his rightful place as the next head of state after Ironsi by Northerners. Yorubas said "carry on our Northern Lords"
Lt Col Fajuyi, Governor of the Western Region, is murdered in Yoruba land by Northerners. Yorubas shout the "the North are our lords"
These two examples are enough for any ethnic group to rise up and fight for their sovereignty. But no, "we have brain and brawns and cant stand up for ourselves"
Laughble.
We need people who standup to the North here in the south of Nigeria, not people who are still making excuses for having no backbone
You forgot d third example; very brave Ojvkwv running for his dear life to Gabon and leaving his people at d mercy of Nigerian troops. What are you guys fed as kids? SMH.
alBHAGDADI: We were warned about Buhari, but we turned deaf ears to the cry about his Islamist tendencies. Now his moves are beginning to unfold.
You see, we have reached a level where true Christians will start to speak loudly about the Antichrist religion in our midst. The Islamists know this, that's why they are setting certain machinery in place to silence them. Examples are the hate speech, NGO bill etc. The moment you call Islam what it is - murder, lies, terrorism, slavery and barbaric, they term it as hate speech and lock you up even when you quoted their Quran and Hadiths to buttress your point.
The time for the persecution of Christians worldwide is nigh. But my brothers have been deceived to think they will escape the Great Tribulation through a cunning doctrine called RAPTURE. What makes you think you are better than all the Apostles and Disciples who got beheaded and crucified for their believe in Jesus Christ? If they persecuted and killed Jesus Christ who is your master, how much more will they do to you his servant?
But your laziness and desire for prosperity has led you to become soft against preparing for the tough times ahead. Cunning wolves in sheep clothing have locked you up from seeing the danger ahead by telling you that you will escape it all and fly into the sky. They have now made you sleep off to the extent of entertaining you with comedians and worldy musicians in the house they claim belongs to God
Google about the Rapture lie.
Europe has stupidly imported it's own share of muslims from the middle-east. Those guys will be at the fore-front of the persecution of the Christians there, which is already happening. Now Buhari is working hard to make Morocco, a Muslim North African Country, to be part of ECOWAS, a west African society. To what ends? For them to have free movement into our region. The stage is getting set.
Well, I'm not bothered about those listed pastors in the OP cos they are false prophets. I'm only concerned and will speak in support of them cos the same accusations will be used against true Christians who will soon start speaking and educating their congregation about the Antichrist in Islam.
A Nigerian Pastor, Pastor Ajisafe just got arrested for hate speech in Sierra Leone just cos he called Islam by its terror name. Video below
I agree with you dat ''rapture before the great tribulation'' doctrine is one of d biggest lies sneaked into christianity. D part I am not clear with is your calling those pastors fake. Why do you think they are fake?
eezeribe: The Bible does not support gambling,even though the churches and their pastors/priests would gladly accept your 'tithe' to buy designer shoes and private jets,Heaven may do otherwise... The best person to answer this your question is your conscience or God himself or Jesus the Christ because even 100 different preachers can give you 100 different answers to the same question based on their carnal understanding of the scriptures or by the 'leading' of the same 'Holy Spirit'... lalasticlala,Mynd44
Pls bro I am learning something. Pls cld you give a scripture to back what you typed? God bless you.
There is nothing wrong with christianity. The only problem is 'christians'. Christianity has been hijacked. Only few people are practising the faith now. It is going to be shocking on judgement day. Broad road, narrow road and all of dat.
Good work @op. Igbos only know how to make noise and cause trouble. When d trouble starts, they start begging or running. They don't know d difference between bravery and stupidity. Yorubas usually avoid starting trouble, but if it starts, they fight till the end. D military and northern establishment in 1963 and 1993-1999 can attest to dat. By the way, you forgot to add how very brave and courageous Igbos were running to the East to celebrate ''New yam festival'' at d height of the June 12 crisis.
Ashibelieve: Well, if you are doing church you will be confused but if you are following God you won't.
The marriage Jesus attended was it church wedding, traditional wedding or court wedding? Oga is there anything like christian wedding in the bible? If yes show me the verse if know marriage is an agreement as far as it is done in line with coming together for the purpose of fulfilling destiny, your papa fit join una together nothing spoil
Your first statement really summarizes d type of ''christians'' we have these days. They don't know d difference between serving God and serving church.
If you live among Hausa/Fulani you will know they have a very low IQ. D way an almajiri reasons is the way a Hausa professor would reason. They are the major obstacle to d progress of this country. They don't have d ability to progress and they don't want others to.
The Son isn't the Father, you should read the OP again.
And concerning the verse you allude to, you will notice that the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus in the form of a dove, and the Father said from heaven "this is my beloved Son" There you have the the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit together at the same time, the three persons in God.
No, John the Baptist was there too. So why not make in 4 persons. You guys are the reason people always think the bible is contradictory by your funny interpretation. In d same John 1 in verse 18 it states: ''no man hath ever seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, hath declared Him''. Now, how does that go along with OP's interpretation of John 1:1?
read psalm 110:1 God cannot sit in his own right hand. saying God sent himself is the worst thing I have heard about Trinity. Jesus said the father sent me you said he sent himself. the Bible say son of God, you said God the son. please leave the original words of the Bible don't give unbelievers room to ridicule the bible
Bro there is nothing you can say to convince a trinity believing guy dat has made vp his mind not to follow scripture. They will always have a way of spinning it, sometimes to downright comical levels. Josef Goebbels said 'when a lie is repeated over and over it starts sounding like the truth'. That's their case. Shalom.
MuttleyLaff: If your life depended on it, is this how you will, without holding back, define God? What a sloppy attempt and insufficient definition.
So, the noun, god, is just used for superhuman beings only, hmm?
Evidently, you haven't thought well enough over and/or about what God and god means
What excuse are you talking of? What didn't He do, that you are trying to say, is being attributed to Him? Was God not simultaneously and concurrently in Heaven and earth?
No, Christ, otherwise called Messiah, who is Jesus, and who is God the Son, didn't anoint Himself because according to the bible, God, the Son was anointed by God, the Father
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name - Revelation 3:12
Of course, He did. Revelation 3:12 precisely is where He said, He will make overcomers pillars in the Temple of His God What name or word were you expecting Jesus Christ to refer to and/or mention in Revelation 3:12? Isn't it God you were/are expecting? Or were you expecting Jesus, to make overcomers, pillars in the temple of Obatala or the temple of alcohol, or the temple of stomach or in the temple of drugs?
You really don't grasp the meaning of that Stephen vision.
Stephen, seeing Christ, on the right hand side of God, means, seeing Jesus Christ, God, the Son, helping and supporting God, the Father, the most, seeing Him, especially at the work God has set out to do.
Jesus, helped God the most, that is why Stephen saw Jesus on the right hand side of God.
Your inadequate definition of God and god, is the reason behind your inability to understand and so not able to figure this and others out
Wow!!! You guys just keep on inventing one fable or the other to try and justify your funny doctrines. Did Jehovah God ever called anybody 'my God' in the bible? You don't need to answer that as I'm tired of your spins. Thanx.
i prefer to be on the side of early christians who acknowledged the divinity of Jesus. even before the early councils which came to agreement on the trinity, Jesus was already recognized by the earliest christians as THE SON of God. biblical passages show people bend down and worship him after healings, forgiving sins etc. Dont you think Jesus would have made it clear if he wasnt God the son by condemning the people who did that. Son of God= divinity son of man= human it is clear when you read the bible.
God the son and Son of God as you simplistically try to differentiate them is borne out of you understanding of english language. remember these verses are interpreted from Aramaic and Hebrew which are rich languages with deeper meaning, even arabic is rich in its meaning and that is why muslims have various interpretations from the same quran. The majority of Christians for 2017 years are in no doubt as to Jesus being God the Son.
So, son of God equals to God? So in Genesis 6:2 the sons of God there means God came in many forms to meet the daughters of men? Wow! I don't need to discuss on this again. It's hard to change an opinion you've been brought vp with even if scripture to the contrary is staring you in the face. Shalom.
MuttleyLaff: What you've quoted or paraphrased above there, is Nicodemus' John 3:2 perplexed, threading softly breaking-the-ice opening statement
Do people scoop petroleum off the surface of the earth? Do people scoop pearls floating on water waves? Do people pick up diamonds or charcoal off the ground?
The spin facts speak for themselves in John 19:39-42, but verse 39b is where the tell tale sign is.
This is an awesome question that I would only answer you, based on 3 conditions. Which are that, you, first would have to, without holding back, exhaustively define the nouns; God and god, for me
Also, since you've mentioned & used the word; Christ, to please, fully define what Christ is and/or means?
Lastly, do you agree and accept that, it is not impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be in Heaven and Earth at any moment in time?
God is used to differentiate the Almighty from other superhuman beings termed gods. God is omnipotent, but dat is not an excuse to attribute to Him what He didn't do. Christ means 'the chosen One' or 'the anointed One'. Did Christ anoint Himself? Not according to the bible, By the way, Christ called God 'my God' in Rev 3 when He was in Heaven. Stephen saw Christ on the right hand of GOD. Figure dat out.
Religion / Re: A Great Revelation On Tithing With Scriptural Backing. Take Time To Read by adelee777: 6:24am On Nov 25, 2017