₦airaland Forum

Probz:
I can't tell you jack. Wanna put me out of my misery?

Pashi = dowe ya = keep
Iyon = That thing
Ebomu = There

Pashi iyom ebomu = Keep that thing there

In which universe does this sound Igbo?

No be the entire mainland be that?

One month? Make dem kukuma kill us.

Probz:
I know re. Wawa. It's mostly the Nsukka and deep Nkanu dialects that give Wawa a bad name on the linguistic front. I dunno for Oji River and Ezeagu but Udi's not that divergent from general Anambra Igbo.

Yeah, Udi is more similar to Anambra dialects. My part of wawa is not even as deep as the one you find when you go to places like Akpugo etc.

Pashi iyom ebomu

What can tell me what i wrote above.

I think someone who sleeps around for money is better than one who does the same for pleasure or any other reason. It simple means that the one who does it for money will stop when they get on their feet. But the one who does it for pleasure...

Probz:
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It's mostly Anambra people that do this. Enugu people aren't in any position to look down on other dialects with the Wawa they speak.

I'm actually WAWA and our dialect is not that bad. You have to understand that Enugu do what Anambra people do. Most Enugu people will speak impecable central Igbo to you even more than Anambra peeps. Rarely will you come across an Nkanu person that will speak their Nkanu dialect when taking to another Igbo person. This is not the case with people from Abia and Imo. An owerri person will always converse with you in Owerri dialect whether or not you understand it. Same with Ngwa people.

Probz:
I've already talked about Izzi and Ezza. Most mainstream Igbos can barely decipher more than a quarter of northern Ebonyi dialects (Abakaliki axis) and I'm no exception. I can decipher the southern ones a little more but not upland.

I'm past the stage of debating whether Ika and Ukwuani are linguistically Igbo or Igboid. The whole point of this thread was me understanding the history behind Delta Igbo and this thread's genuinely opened my eyes. Doesn't mean it sounds mainstream Igbo to me, which you'll notice was my choice of words. The intonation's clearly foreign even if the vocabulary's the same.

Fair enough...

I think the earlier we all accepted that the Igbo denials in Delta and Rivers state is more political, the better for us. if the area currently know aas Delta Igbo had been in the east by political delineation, this denials would never arise. The fact that Delta state had been in the western region, midwest and now the south-south is what gives some people the effrontery to go on a journey of denials. Now, why are the denials more pronounced in Ika than Aniocha/Oshimili. It's very simple. The people in Ika have a basis for holding their idea. This basis is what people like Cire80 and Agboetan in the past have been hinging their argument on which is the Edo/Bini influence in Ika. The Aniocha/Oshimili people would have been as stubborn if not for the fact that there would be no strong basis for their argument, Their dialects is just too central and it would fall flat if they dare to use language in their argument. So, what the few of them from that axis like Emeka Esogbue hinge on is by lumping Aniocha/Oshimili with Ika and Ukwuani and then they tell you that Anioma people from from Yoruba, Igala, Edo and Ibo. Always noticed that they always make Igbo come last in order not to suggest anything to people.

bigfrancis21:
I spent some time growing up in Owerri and have 'an ear' sort of to southern Igbo dialects. Owerri/Etche/Ngor-Okpala/Mbaise I understand perfectly. My mother was from Enugu state and growing up she often spoke her Oji River dialect at home, thus exposing me to the general feel of Enugu dialects such as Nkanu etc (often referred to as waawa). One of my mom's family friends is from Ohaozara Ebonyi state and I spent some time in her house during my NYSC and it shared about 30% similarity with my mom's native dialect of Enugu state and I understood everything she spoke with her husband or her relatives over the phone. I spent 5 years going to school in Nsukka and I do not have a hard time understanding the dialect. I can't speak for Izzi, Ezza etc. as I have not been exposed to those for some time.

I listened to both clips you provided. At first attempt I understand Ika at about at least 70% given it's slight similarity to Owerri where I did my secondary school. With my 'southern ear', I quite also understood what the Abiriba guy was saying but I understand Opobo/Bonny better than Abiriba.

Someone said if you grew up in Igboland, you would definitely understand whatever dialect you come across, even if not up to 100% but you'd get a general feel of what the speaker is trying to communicate, and I agree with that.

I'm not really exposed to southern Igbo dialect and that is why when i found myself in Egbema in Imo state, i was like, what sort of Igbo dialect is this that is so hard to understand. Few months later, i could understand Egbema dialect perfectly save for a few words here and there. What i just needed to do was to understand the base upon which the dialect was built on and hearing it now, it doesn't sound strange at all.

I think it's not enough to grow up in Igboland, you have to be exposed to atleast the two branches of Igbo dialects (Northern and southern). I've noticed that a lot of people from the Anambra and Enugu axis of Igboland always look down at the dialects spoken in Imo,Abia and Rivers state. That is because they're not really exposed to those dialects.

Probz:
cc.bigfrancis21
You can hear a lot of Igbo words in this Ika clip but it's hard (for me at least) to make out the bulk of it by the inflection if nothing else. It doesn't sound like Igbo (I won't dispute that it's an Igbo language though).

The emboldened is the greatest mistake people often make when the issue of Igboness is discussed. There's a clear line between popular Igbo culture and Igbo culture (which is not homogenous and varies from place to place). That we don't say IGBO KWENU or wear the red cap in my place doesn't make us less Igbo. Some of these cultures are borrowed from other Igbo groups to align with the center but it doesn't mean that they have always been like that historically.

Now to the language issue, it's very convenient to pick a dialect of your chic and then compare it with Ika in order to buttress a held bias. Can you do us a favour and do the same thing for EZZA and IZZI in comparison to Ika, let's see if the story will remain the same.

OreMI22:
I have always known chima in this forum and defunct anambra forum as a hifhly cerebral individual that objectively analyzes a situation without sentiments. Those children hoping that fulani will suddenly give them igbo presidency should WAKE UP! It is simply a ploy to prevent igbo from focussing on biafra so fulani have more years to loot Nigeria

For me, we should focus on Biafra and forget the gimmick fulani are playing paying lip service to Igbo presidency. They hace no intentions for that and it serves as an emotional distraction to igbos. While fulanis continue to loot Nigeria and search for oil in ths north as part of their ultimate agenda for their AREWA republic.

I never thought i would say this but bros, this Biafra thingy seems like a pipe dream as the only way to achieve Biafra is if the powers that be in Igboland are in support and they can never be in support unless the federal government wipes out their entire family. Right now, they're having it good in Nigeria and won't trade that for anything else. I'm a realist and as much as i'm not totally the idea of a sovereign state, i have to be realistic in my expectations.

ovokooo:
Of course, that's what we keep hearing but the reality disagrees with you. Igbos have taken over Asaba and even feel at home more than those of us from Delta south and central.

Dude, are you aware that Asaba is an Igbo speaking town?

ChimaAdeoye:
Exactly.
Igbos really don't need presidency now. Igbos need to live in freedom, away from oppression from anyone. If Biafra is what freedom means, then we should all support it. If restructured Nigeria will bring freedom, then so be it.

That presidency thing is a mere distraction that can be tackled later. For now supporting a northern progressive such as Atiku will make more sense as we address this issue of treating Igbos as second class citizens of Nigeria and the SE as an alien territory.

Let us deal with the big issues first.

You people are just unbelievable. Only God will save Igbo people.

Chikelue2000:
Afonja Judges! What else do they know but to dissolve marriages. Smh!

I knew something like this was coming when i saw the names of the judges Una no dey look throway face?

The age of okada riders keep decreasing by the day. Most okada riders these days are very young and mostly from the north. Some years back i used to look for those elderly Yoruba babas. Those guys are the safest. But these Hausa boys can carry you to cotonou with bike if you're ready and they're very reckless. Na god go save person.

Kai, i never realized how tribalized Nigeria was until i noticed all the Nigerian celebrities on instagram were telling their fans to vote for people from their tribe. Is Nigeria this backward bikonu?

As long as the news is factual, i have no problem with it. I only have problem with those who copy content verbatim without making some modifications.

What would have happened if he answered the question wrongly or told them he didn't know the answer. Will they have deported him? Must someone know everything in their field or what is wrong in one being a quack in their field of endeavour? Is it their quack?

I don't understand how someone is going to make history against my team. Though that Olatubosun's goal is world class. That's what we see almost every week in Europe.

Like i've been belaboring, i don't care whether Ika ir Igbo or not. Whatever the case may be, i think the Igbo nation is not getting it's due credit. We were taught in secondary school that the Igbos did not have a centralised system of government as everything was decentralised and every village were independent from each other. But from what i'm reading on this thread, it seems the Igbos may be one of the greatest colonizers in this part of the world. For the Ika and Ikwerre people to abandon whichever language they used to speak for an Igboid one goes to show this fact.

LAFO:
I no get data to watch.... la click, la 56mb wipe

Lmao..Abeg wey the video

Cire80:
Igbo migration is not more plausible than Edo migration. Everything about Ika is mostly Edo. Igbos win in language but we're still able to retain our Edoid inflections (according to Bigfrancis21), which shows Benin language is the aboriginal language in Ika before some of the factors I mentioned and other factors affected that. Is language the only element to consider in ethnicity ? List any other characteristics and see how Edo give Igbo a race in Ika man among all the factors, language is the one that can be easily influenced but accent and intonation is not easy to lose so we still retained it.

I said the Igbo in Ika a few centuries ago is about 20% and maybe a bit higher before the colonials came and that little similarity is what they laid hold on and started teaching our people Igbo.

You pray in central Igbo because you speak and understand it. People in Ika pray in central Igbo not because they speak it but because they were thought in central Igbo and it almost became a norm until the advent of pentecostal churches. They can't even speak or pray on it well. But mostly on church greeds, recital of Bible passages and other recitals. They were thought in Igbo just like the Muslims were thought in Arabic

Ika people may not know how to speak central Igbo because they were not part f what i call "The Igbo experience". Like i said, nobody was born with central Igbo in their tongue except for people who come from places where their dialects are very similar to central Igbo. Go to many villages in the south east and talk to people who have never left their village and tell me how many of them can speak central Igbo. Where i served in Egbema rivers state, i met people who couldn't speak central Igbo because there was no need to for to learn it since they never planned on leaving their village. Your analogy with muslims/arabic is also faulty because arabic was thought to people who never understood Arabic but Igbo was not thought to Ika people because they already understood it, atleast their version of it.

Mind you, aside language, a lot of similarities in culture can be seen between Ika and other Igbo groups. Why does Ifeanyi Okowa always dress like a typical Igbo chief?

Cire80:
I've always admitted that Igbo name and Igbo language has been existing in Ika land for a few centuries which suggests there must have been some unrecorded Igbo migration into Ika land. My problem with you guys is making bogus speculations and going to the extent of fabricating and concocting non existing history. We Ika people know our history. You don't come to our land and tell us we're settlers and should vacate our ancestral land. This is the height of insolence. This attitude is the reason Igbo is hated today by every other groups

Back to your question. The percentage of Igbo names and words in Ika is very minimal. It not up to 20% about 3 centuries ago. There are many factors responsible for the encroachment of Igbo language into Ika and one of them is the Colonial masters and Christianity. The Colonial masters imposed Igbo on us - Even the Edos said Igbo and Yoruba was imposed on them though I don't know how it happened. Our ancestors were thought Igbo and Igbo language was used in churches and courts and many other places. Many people today can't pray in Ika language except in Igbo language. Even I can't say "Our Lord's Prayer" in Ika because I was thought that in Igbo. Churches like Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, even Cherubim and many other churches do all their recitals in Igbo and it's the norm to try to pray in Igbo language. Igbo was like the Latin of Ika churches still existing till date.

Another factor is the population of Igbo speakers. Igbos are existing in 5 States and these 5States States have little amount of non Igbos in them. The Igbo States are mostly populated by Igbo people which shows the Igbos have always had a very high population. Inspite of Igbos populating 5 States, there is no where you go to without seeing a high number of Igbos. You guys are everywhere. Some years back when I was in Abuja, I sometimes wonder if Abuja is turning into Igbo land. All the taxi, molue and even El rufai drivers are Igbo. Wherever you go to, they speak Igbo to you as if it's the new lingua franca of Nigeria. If you reply in English, you see a great shock on their face. Same thing with Lagos. Even outside of Nigeria, Igbos are everywhere in large numbers.

And wherever Igbos are large number, they invade and occupy and make that place their home. No intention of going back home. After that, they start looking for ways to rename the place and Igbonize it. If they see for instance, a place called Ife for instance, they wouldn't call it Ife but they will call it a name like Ifeyinwa, and concoct a story of how a certain Ifeyinwa is the founder of that place. And if Igbos are there in large numbers or if this place is close to Igboland, this name and story will stuck wiping away the original name and history. They also do this for people's name and words. I'm talking from experience and observations.

Another way Igbos influence others is the media including movies, and music (especially gospel music) and other means. I can go on and on.

The way you people shamelessly go on lying will leave satan to the second position. Chineke nna onye Onitsha.

Why is the Igbo migration into Ikaland more plausible than Edo/Bini migration into an Igboland (Ika)? Nobody has ever told you that you're settlers. That we say you're Igbo does not mean we will come from Enugu or Anambra to come and take your land. Your land remains your land. I don't know why you guys take this land grabbing shebang among the Igbos too far when there is no record of Igbos ever taking over anybody's land except the ones they bought with their hard earned money.

Your second paragraph is fille dwith lies as you claim that Igbo language presence in Ika language is 20% when i was able to understand atleadt 50% of what was spoken in those Ika videos posted here. And how can you say that Christianity and colonialism brought Igbo into Ika without taking into cognisance the fact that Igbo was only thought in places where some form of Igbo was already been spoken. You say that a lot of Ika people can only pray in Igbo language instead of Ika. How many Igbo people from the south east can pray in their own dialects. Central Igbo was thought to your people the same way it taught to people of the south east. I am from Nkanu in Enugu state and we were not born with central Igbo in our tongues. We had to learn it like everyone else. So, don't make it seem like we all speak central Igbo as our dialect. We freaking have our own dialects just like you have yours.

I have no problem with you guys claiming whatever you like. But i'll always be here to shut up your lies.

HiddenShadow:
I never wanted to respond to your ignorance but I thought it wise to do so in order to wake you, Uba and Charly Boy up from your illusion and fantasy dream


Pls answer these few questions

1) What year was an international airport both for passengers and cargoes established in SE.?

2) What year do you think an inland port capable of anchoring ships will be constructed in Igboland.?

3) What percentage of our natural resources do we have control over.?

4) All imported goods we use, are imported through Lagos despite our access to the sea. Is there a relationship between this and the high cost of imported goods in the East due to transport cost, police road blocks, bad roads etc?

5) Our states can't dredge River Niger, is it because

A) It is not legal for them or
B) They don't have the money or
C) They don't have the will or
D) What

A people who can't build their own international air and sea ports and have to import through Lagos, how do you expect the East to achieve economic development.

A people who don't have absolute control over their resources and lives, how do you expect them to

1) build economic infrastructures that will get them out of poverty.?

2) establish security structures that will protect lives and properties from Fulani herdsmen armed robbers kidnappers etc in order to ensure social economic development.?


Until all Pro Nigerian Igbos answer these questions, their stand against Biafra will remain futile and absolutely defeated in a UN supervised Referendum.

If you had written this initially, i wouldn't have called you out. We need to learn to respond to objectivity with objectivity.

shinarambo1:
Your question on studying in canada would be best answered here.

I dont visit Nigerian restaurant..i havent seem one in Saskatchewan or Alberta. I am sure there are lots in Ontario. You can always get nigerian food easily anyway from African or east indian shops.

How is a place like Saskatoon compared to Ontario and Alberta. I'm asking because i've noticed that a lot of immigrants prefer to go to the Totonto or Vancouver area for some reason. I understand that these are some of the biggest cities but is the life that different economically and weather wise. Whenever i think of Saskatchewan, i think of incomparable cold.

Btw, i'm considering a masters at Uni Sask.

HiddenShadow:
Trash

Biafra will be the economic heart of Africa

Some of you are just brainless and i'm not surprised that you were able to garner 5 likes for being senseless. Ifeanyi Uba gaves reasons why he thinks the SE should remain in Nigeria and instead of you to give us reasons why you think Biafra is a better option, you go ahead with a one liner like the illiterate that you are.

Lol

RedboneSmith:
Actually, this is not really how it always works. National boundaries and national/political identity do sometimes (often?) play a role in how languages are classified, at least at the official level. But it is not a given.

Of course. But national borders can be an accepted excuse.

Abagworo:
Ika is majorly not part of Igbo in mind and commitment to Igbo things. Language we may share but common fronts we lack.

I think everybody can agree with this.

Cire80:
This shows there's more to classification of languages than just mutual intelligibility.

National borders is something that can be used to classify languages. if Ika was in a country different from where SE Igboland is then no one will be arguing with you whether Ika is Igbo or not. But Ika is in Nigeria and contigous with Igboland.

Abeokuta and other small cities were included to increase the number of cities being used for the study considering that the list is made up of only African cities. Though i'm surprised that i can't see Abuja or other cities that are larger than Abeokuta anywhere or are the people that did the study just ignorant about Nigeria. Atleast 20 cities should have made the cut before Abeokuta.

Cire80:
I don't believe in the Ika 77% to Igbo because it's just an estimation. How exactly is anyone able to arrive at an accurate percentage? Just like every other academic research work, the findings are never accurate. Another researcher will come out with a different result tomorrow and which one will you take as accurate? But going by your analogy, so if we decide to use the 80% benchmark, Ika is a language of it's own? Don't forget Ika has two words for most words and they are mostly Edoid and Igboid. The Edoid words are more ancient and fastly going extinct. But that doesn't mean they're no longer Ika words.

Whether 77% or 80% is not the point as data as these are just estimations. The point made here is that Ika is majorly mutually intelligible to a lot of other Igbo groups compared to Ekpeye for example.

Havilah93:
Results of today's rescheduled week 7 matches


Rivers United 1-1 Kano Pillars

Wikki Tourist 1-0 Shooting Stars

Enugu Rangers 2-1 Lobi Stars

Katsina United 1-0 Ifeanyi Uba

Ope oo!!!