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Igboid:
Igboid in real sense have only two languages.
1, Igbo
2, Ekpeye.

But these days, if you say you are not Igbo, you can politically be grouped as one of the Igboids.
The difference between Igbo and Igboid, other than Ekpeye, is politics.
If tomorrow, Idemili wishes to no longer be part of Igbo, we can elevate Idemili to one of the languages under Igboid.

Abagworo:
Simple. Only Ekpeye is distinct in same Igbo family and that's why Igbos cannot understand it beyond few phrases. The rest of Igbo family are virtually same with variations.

Why would you even say that? Can you in all honesty tell me why Ekpeye is not Igbo but Ika is? I think you're going to say mutual intelligibility. What about Ezza and Izzi? And don't you think intelligibility of Igbo dialects came about because there's now something we refer to as central Igbo which almost everyone has an idea of? I woder how pre 19th century Igboland was like.

People don't seem to know the sifference between Igbo and Igboid or Yoruba and Yoruboid. Anotehr term for Igboid can be Igbo-like but it's not the same thing as Igbo and that is why areas like Ekpeye where the mutual inyelligibility with mainstream Igbo is very low is described as Igboid. Same goes to areas in Anambra and Imo.

Now when you talk of Igbo, i's a bit more tricky and involves so many variables and these variables can be exclusive to one another. Which means that there are no defined metrics used to know who is Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa. If i as an Enugu man say i am not Igbo then i am not Igbo. But that does not mean that i will not be classed academically as Igbo likewise someone from Ika, Ukwuani or Ikwerre except the intellegentsia see a need to make any of the Igbo sub-units are a different group academically.

skitkid2:
Beware of this TV series, its boring and so many plot hole

Boring ke? I'm in season 2 and can have enough. This is my kinda tv series.

Person of Interest

The only reason that i've been praying for FC Ifeanyi Uba to succeed is so that other private entities will think of investing in a club like Ifeanyi Uba has done.

I wish the white garment people i see everyday were as clean as these ones.

OBAGADAFFI:
Law of the land is clear on this issue.

Every state got legally recognized Traditional rulers, and the they are given Authority by the governor's.

Every other person/s will get their Authority from the recognized Traditional ruler.

You can't walk in the UK and claim to be King, you simply got no legal backing for that.

is anybody asking for any legal backing? yes, i can go to the UK and call myself the Eze ndigbo on London and nobody gives a shit. I'm not contesting with the king neither i'm i asking to be recognized by anybody. So, i don't know what the issue is. Eze Ndigbo of Akure is just the head of the Igbo community in Akure and it's environs and has no legal backing whatsoever and they have not trampled on any existing laws.

Jaideyone:
yes he's free to call himself the eze but not without the authority of the Deji who is the traditional ruler of the role of akure. the eze can only have the title if the Deji says so. The Deji is in charge of giving and taking chieftaincy titles.

We're talking of an Igbo title and not a Yoruba one. The Eze Ndigbo title has absolutely nothing to do with the traditional stool of Akure. If i decide to name myself the Eze of my family does not the Deji also have the right to interfere?

YOUNGrapha:
see how this guy dey take disgrace us...now ipod yoots will devou us today


Omo oduduwa 100%

Don't worry we have repented. We love Yorubas and all Nigerians. We are one.

famagro:
I once asked an Igbo friend if the eze ndigbos still bears the titles at home and he told me that's an abomination. He even told me a story of a guy who tried it in his own village, the guy had to run away before morning in order to escape the wrath of the youths.

If you were smart by half you would understand that it will be a clash if an Eze ndigbo of Lagos goes to Owerri to parade himself as Eze Ndigbo because that place already has an Eze Ndigbo. Are you people this dumb in real life?

Alajiki:
My friend, will you keep kwayet dia!

The last time I checked, Eze means king, not leader. How can a particular tribe appoint/elect kings in another man's land? Deji of Akure is not even doing enough. The nomenclature should be "chairman of igbo settlers". Which kain yeye Eze ndi'Igbo?

How can you have 2 crown bearing kings in a town. In Yoruba tradition, that's a taboo!

And a king is not a leader? Maybe he should also tell people whose names are Eze to change their names to Leader as it is a threat to his stool. Moronic dingbats.

Alajiki:
In this case, it goes against the tradition of Yoruba land. No 2 kings can co-habit in a town. It's a taboo! Inugo?

Wow, it's is definitely a compliment for you to think the Eze Ndigbo Akure is just as important as the Deji of Akure. Now i udnerstand why only the Igbos are been picked on considering te fact that we also have the Sarkin Hausa of Akure. It seems the Eze Ndigbo akure is getting too much respect and the Deji is threatened.

Jaideyone:
same way I had to abide by the law in abia state after we were told not to kill snakes at the camp in umunna. I didn't kill snakes. respect other people's tradition. if u can't do that then stay in your region

Apples and oranges. As much as i understand the part about respecting the tradition of the people but traditional does not thump the law of the land. And i don't see how calling oneself Eze ndigbo in Akure is against the tradition of the land because if it were so, then calling your self the other titles prescribed by the Deji will also be in variance with the tradition. The Deji is just an insecure c.unt (no offense)

The Deji of Akure is so petty and seems like a trouble maker.What business of yours is who becomes the head of igbos in Akure and what they choose to call themselves as long as the leader is not called the Deji of Igbos. Eze is an Igbo tutle and Akure is not Igboland, so i don't know why he should feel threatened. In Nigeria, there is freedom of association as long as it does not go in variance with the laws of the land. if this issue goes to the court, the Deji will definitely lose.

MARKone:
Georgia Onuoha is a f00l for that birthday post, I knew it'll backfire at her. When you wanna fight dirty, you fight dirty. How can you shower praises on the child of your "enemy", it doesn't work like that.

In war, you try to win the sympathy of people.That's what Georgina Onuoha was trying to do.

Abeg,make una leave dem to enjoy their life. Dem send the guy to give them land and money?

I agree with Reno. It's not like the condition of Nigerians have changed since osibanjo started acting as president. It's just the way he responds to issues. President Buhari always thinks everything is fight. If you dont sgree with him, he'll use force against you. But Osibanjo is more progressive and i will liken his character to what was displayed by Abike Dabiri when confronted by pro Biafra agitators in London. She handled it so professionally that the Biafrans were somewhat satisfied.

laudate:
You just stated that those who do not want to be called Igbo should say so. And they have done it. So why are you now getting bothered by the fact that they have done as you asked, and are also asserting their Edo origins? Can't they be left alone to decide who or what they want to be?

Now, it seems you didn't get the memo. I have always said it that i respect people's wishes about what they want to call themselves as long as it is not predicated on falsehood. I'm saying these because of the reasons these people give as to why they're not Igbo. Imagine someone saying that we're not the same because if i speak you won't hear everything that i'm saying. That's to imply that as an igbo person, i understand every dialect that is spoken in South east nigeria which is false. So, i have to correct those impressions. Recently, i personally don't consider a group like Ikwerre for example to be Igbo not because i don't think they have what it takes to be called Igbo but because i feel they haave gone far along in their self consciousness as Ikwerres and bringing them under the Igbo problem will only bring problems for us.

Btw, i've noticed that you're neither Igbo, Anioma, Edo, Deltan or anywhere around there. I don't ven think you're a southerner. It just makes your day to see this people dissociate themselves froma people you hate so much.

Why give a child such a name anyways?

Cire80:
unfortunately for you, my history and culture all scream Edo. The falsehood is coming from you guys. We in Anioma cherish our history and culture. The day you guys stop your concoctions, senseless postulations, propaganda and fake theorems is the you see more Aniomas being more comfortable around you guys. You guys are very desperate that's the problem.

Trade is just one of the way Anioma became Igbonized. We've treated this but the problem with you guys is that you're very selective.

And I'm not anti Igbo. I'm highly pro Ika/Anioma but that doesn't make me anti Igbo

Unfortunately, the Edo people you always shamelessly want to associate with along with your fellow Urhobo/Isoko/Itshekiri/Ijaw deltans always call you Igbo. You can't run away fromy our shadow. If you're so interested in dissociatig yourself from anything Igbo so that people don't get you confused, start a revolution that will see Ika parents give their children non Igbo names and trace your language s that you can start speaking it instead of the Igbo decorated one that you're speaking currently.

I also find it pathetic the way you guys interchange Ika and Anioma without also considering the different influences that makeup Anioma. You want to call Anioma an ethnic group without realizing that you're just as different from Aniocha, Oshimili and Ukwuani the same way you think you're different from south east Igbos.

Cire80:
What do you mean by superior argument? Ethnic consciousness can't be changed by argument or propaganda. Ethnic switching does occur but It's a gradual process.

I understand what you mean considering that you're Ika. I have already thrashed that when i compred Ika to Aniocha/Oshimili and Etche. You no go gree and i have no problem with it. I'm not trying to change anybody's belief as long as it makes them happy but what i hate is blatant falsehood. Even if all the traditional rulers stand up one day and go on national television to announce their Igboness, you'll probably say they were paid, so all this back and forth is totally unnecessary. I think the best course of action for you anti Igbo elements is to just say that irrespective of your history, your language or culture, you don't want to be called Igbo. That makes more sense than telling us how you use to be Edo and some Igbos you traded with taught you Igbo and that's where the Igbo influence came through.

Just to buttress the point i was making about Igboid groups like Etche and Aniocha/Oshimili being more accepting of their Igboness or atleast not violent in their denial compared to Ikwerre, Ika and Ukwuani, i just watched a video on youtube where about 5 girls who live abroad (I think American), did a Nigerian tag and when they were asked their names, judging from their names, i concluded that 4 of them were Igbo except the one that has a Yoruba name. Now when it got to the point where they were asked which tribe they came from. all the 4 Igboid ones said Igbo though one of them had to mention that hers is controversial. let me paraphrase what she said "I'm from Rivers state and where i'm from we speak Igbo, so, i guess i'm Igbo". As soon as i heard that, i ruled out the fact that she could be Ikwerre or Ogba. I knew she either had to be from Etche, Egbema or Ndoki because these people tend to be more relaxing about their anti Igbo rhetorics.

So,scrolling down to the comment section, i saw this convo and that's when i knew she was from Etche.



You see how the etche guy accepted a superior argument. You would never see an Ikwerre, Ika or Ukwuani person do that.

This one wey people don dey hate this Gifty girl, e be like say i go begin watch the show make i support her. No contestant that i ever supported has ever lost Big Brother. Make una beg me before i change my mind

cheruv:
Thanks for that ikwerre example...
I've noticed something about ikwerre...outta the 4LGs making up AliIhuruoha, most or if not all of the Igbo denials tend to be from emuoha. I don't know why but if you see any ikwerre denying Igbo, ask him his part of ikwerre and you'd discover in 8 out of 10 are from Emuoha.
Even the topmost ikwerre denier here on NL is from emuoha...though I don't know if he's from ogbakiri in particular, I mean this guy "hopeathand"
And do you know the most interesting aspect of the whole show is that the man who started the "ikwerre-is-not-Igbo" stuff, Chief Oriji is from Emuoha himself.
I think that kalabari connection is very plausible

I think Hopeathand touched on this issue some time ago. He shared a story about an Igbo pastor wh came to preach in Emohua and started preaching in Igbo which was not understood by a lot of people. It's very plausible that Emohua is mixed with some else other than Igbo. But as much as i believe that the Ikwerres from the Emohua axis are more staunch deniers of Igbo, i don't think other parts are necessarily accepting of the Igbo tag. They just seem more subtle about it. I remember when one of my classmate who was from Etche told me that they're not Igbo but and it took me less than 2 hours to convince him and even when he said he wasn't Igbo he was referring to the delineation of boundaries and therefore beleived that he was Rivers. Mind you, this gou always used the term "We Igbos" whenever an argument between Igbos and other tribes come up. He definitely won't go about shouting "Igbo for life" lie an Anambra person but he knows Igbos are his peole. The Aniocha and Oshimili people are also more subtle abut denying Igbo compared to Ika and Ukwuani people. It has a lot to do with group consciousness than anything else. it has happened and it's hard to reverse. Even if Ikwerres agree that they're igbos, don't expect them not to see themselves a bit differen from the rest of Igbo people. Aniocha and Oshimili people don't have that consciiousness like the Ikwerres, Ika and Ukwunais and everything about them points to Igbo. Even there dialect are as central as they come. So, it's really hard for them to go forceful on the whole denial shebang.

Here's an Asaba woman proclaiming her Igboness.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEaX9lVVrCM?t=18m48s

This one wey Buhari no like us so you sure say our population no go reduce to 1 million? Abeg, they should wait with the count till after Buhari has left office.

Cire80:
Nobody is fighting is against Igbo Unity. This mindset is a very bad trait of the Igbo.

I saw somewhere that you were saying that Igbos who say they understand Ika or Ukwuani are lying. Who are you tell someone what they can and cannot understand. Are you God? What if i said you're lying that you understand Edo language. I don't know why you can't allow people express themselves without telling them that they're not saying the truth. Is umunede not Ika? In some of my trips with hCisco, there's this restaurant where they stop for people to buy food and the language those people speak, i understand 60%. What's there not to understand. Even the girl that sells bannana there, i spoke Igbo to her and she responsed and you say Ika people don't understand central Igbo. How about saying that not all Ikas understand central Igbo instead of making a gneralized statement that makes you look ignorant. Even in the south east, not everyone can speak central igbo or do you think every Igbo person you see, speak central Igbo?

Igboid:
Trash!
Oza is not more interior than Igbanke. You are being outrightly ridiculous at this stage with your constant change of goal Post.
First you lie and claim that Ika people understand Edo languages at the first exposure without learning the language from scratch. I busted your lies using posts from Igbanke people on this forum.
Rather than honourable leave with your tail between your legs, you decided to start the Ika being Igbo superficially and Edo internally, claiming that studies say so.
I again reminded you that all anthropological studies on Ika by the neutral colonials resulted in them classifying Ika as Western Igbo and not Eastern Edo.
Now you are changing the goal Post again, are you not ashamed?

The person you're quoting knows all these things that you're saying. Talk from now till next year, these people have made up their mind of what they want to believe. That's why they keep shifting the goal post whenever they're exposed.

Why not go to a proper motherless babies home and adopt.

RedboneSmith:
I also think statements like this one are not accurate in its entirety. I can also say the whole pan-Igbo identity is a matter of convenience rather than history.

Since you're from Oshimili, i don't know if you know Emeka Esogbue. Over 5 years ago, he was one of the most avid Igboist from the other side of the Naija. He was always writing articles about how Anioma people are unapologetic Igbos and bla bla bla. Few years down the line, he was recruited by a man known an Kinirum who happens to be an anti Igbo element. because of recognition, Emeka bought into Kinirum's ideology and went the opposite side. Today, he's one of the proponent of anti Igbo dialogues. he even banned me from his facebook page because i told him that the late president of Ohanaeze Ndigbo, Ralph Uwueche was a pro Igbo person. I did so because i noticed when he was paying tribute to the man, he mentioned everything the man was exept the fact that he was the president of the apex Igbo body. if that is not politics, i don't know what it is.

emmayayodeji:
twd?

The Walking Dead.

I think the earlier we all accepted that these Igbo denials are issues of political convenience rather than history, the better for us. Any time you have an argument with someone who denies his Igboness from Delta and Rivers state, you can always sense insincerity in their tone. Why don't e all accept that you no longer want to be known as Igbo instead of throwing lies all over the place in the name of history. Some of these fabrications will make satan consider abdicating his throne for these people. I have conversed with them and i know how uninformed a lot of them are.

I served in a village/town of Mmahu in Ohaji/Egbema in Rivers state and just 4 villages away was Okwuzi, a Egbema town in the rivers part of Egbema and because of this Igbo and Igbod argument, i always took a short trip to Egbema in rivers state and try to get a first hand information from the people themselves. Mind you, the Egbema people on the Imo side are unapologetic Igbos. So, i went to Okwizi and started a conversation with a a young lady, wh i think should be in her early twenties and she told me her language is not Igbo but is like Igbo. She didn't sweep me off my feet cos i saw that coming. Now i met several people in the course of my investigation and i got different positions from these people. I met someone who told me that they're not Igbos because in their village they say "kita" as "come" while Igbos say "Ugbua". Ic couldn't believe the level of ignorance. I just felt like slapping someone. Though i met a lot of people who identified themselves as Igbos. Though these people just like those ones you find in Anioma, will not carry the Igbo tag on their head like someone from Anambra for example. I'll call them passive Igbos.

Meanwhile, back in the Imo side of Egbema i asked them why those in rovers state like denying being Igbo and they told me not to mind them. That it's because of oil.