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scholes0:
You should check Glottologue for more details. Urhobo, Etsako,Esan, Isoko are ALL EDOID. but all differ from BINI spoken in Oredo/Egor LGAs and environs to various degrees.
Ethnologue classifies Ika as a different language within the Igboid family, others within that group include Ikwerre, Ogba, Etc
Okay I think we can both agree on something..... I think it is left to the Ikas themselves to decide where they stand on the issue. I am not an Ika person, and I am not sure if you are.

My verdict has always been that it's their decision to make because all these Igboid ish doesn't even make sense because I don't know what makes Ngwa Igbo and not Ika for example or what is the criteria for classifying a group as Igboid rather than Igbo.

omolami:
This is to inform those who cared to know that contrary to Obj's pronouncement that the Yoruba's have no leader, the truth is that the Yoruba's actually have credible leaders but Obasanjo is not one of them.

Youre actually the ignorant one as you don't understand Obasanjo's pronouncement. He said Yorubas don't have a single leader and not leaders.

scholes0:
1- Itsekiri language is not Edoid
2- Itsekiris are not being addressed as Yoruba, because they are not.

The Itsekiri-Yoruba situation is just an example.
I can also cite the Edo-Urhobo situation. One could easily say the Urhobos are an Edo tribe- They share many affinities in language, culture and customs, but Urhobos are a distinct Edoid people with their own peculiarities as well.
Why is that so difficult for you to accept though, will be the lingering question here.

You guys keep throwing Edo and Urhobo around to compare the relationship between Anioma and Igbo without realizing that Edo and Urhobo don't have much between them. Can an Urhobo person understand 50% of what an Edo person and vice versa? Comparing Urhobo and Isoko makes better sense.

size40:
Our early encounter with Europeans made it so. And that's why u we bear such names. My people bear good English names unlike the Igbos who still bear old English names that no longer exist in the white man's dictionary like Romanus, Polycarp, Longinus, Cletus, Calistus etc.

Those are Latin names and not English names. It's mostly Catholics that bear those names.

dubylhover:
umm did yu remember in season 1 when they were kids that their dad wanted jamaal to kill a man buh he cudnt?and it was basaam who did?their father wud have prefered it was basaam who ruled cos he was more ruthless and heartless..and im saying thats what prompted him to leave...in season 1 also remember whvn they wanted to travel and he slapped his son twice..d wife was complaining that she had never seen that part of him b4,that it was as if hv was sumone else..jamaal didnt have d mind to kill basaam,but if d roles were reversed,basaam wud kill him

I agree.

BTW, how far have they gone in season two. I bought a season two with only one episode.

omonnakoda:
That is because they are Yorubas ,No one is CLAIMING them that is the difference. Today a Yoruba person is one who claims descent from Oduduwa and Ife it is that simple. Any person who says they are not Yoruba is not. Yorubas will not come out abusing anyone who says he is not Yoruba. The difference is you folk claim people because they speak "YOUR" language or use "your" names

They don't speak our language or use our names because they have no other language. That your name is John does not make you English if you have a Yoruba name and you're from Ile Ife. If these people had a language other than the language they currently speak, it would have been a different issue but they don't. BTW, I don't believe in claiming people who don't want to be part of a group. I'm only playing the devils advocate here by explaining to you how things really are. You can see me telling these people to leave Sunday Oliseh the heck alone.

omonnakoda:
Yorubas do not claim them and this is where you show your ignorance. Those in Kwara along with Oyo are the REAL Yorubas even more than Ekiti or Ijebu who are more distinct. Oyo Ile or Old Oyo would be in Kwara and Niger states. However it is FOR them to be what they want. There is nothing like Yoruboid either they are Yoruba or they are not. Stop trying to create fictitious parallels with your Igboid analogy

CAN YOU NAME ONE GROUP that are being called Yoruba against their will as is the case with Ibos. Stop trying to be clever by half. Claiming is when you are insisting they are and they say they ARE NOT.

Like I already said Yoruba groups in Benin republic are not claimed by anyone . The main difference is that Yorubas claim a common ancestor and also common origin to Ife ,which is probably weak factually but that is what those who are now known as Yoruba say as is the case with the Anago people in Benin.
Peoples rather have identified as Ijebu,Ekiti,Egba,Igbomina,Oyo etc. So stop this Yoruboid nonsense. That is the usual Eboe spiteful manifesting again. You have a problem and want to make it seem everyone has that problem.We do not claim anyone as Omo Oduduwa. Anyone who says he is not Yoruba IS NOT and even those who claim to be must show particulars

That Yorubas don't have identity crisis like Igbos does not in any way negate the fact that some Yorubas will tell you that those in Ilorin and environs are Yorubas. It may not be as pronounced as some Igbos claiming Ikwerre for instance but you will be lying to yourself by saying it doesn't exist. I've even seen some Yoruba folks clajm (maybe not the right word) some groups in Edo state who for some reason bear Yoruba names but don't speak the language. And tell me that you have never heard any Yoruba person utter statements such as "We have Yoruba people in Togo, Benin and Brazil". It's not just about the term " Yoruba" but about what it has come to mean which is the description of a glaring similarity.

Like I said, the denial of Yoruboid groups of being Yorubas may not be as pronounced as that of the Igbos but its there nonetheless. There are also some Igbo groups that Igbos don't claim like the ekpeye. Have you asked yourself why?

omonnakoda:
Torubas will not claim anything fill stop.Ot is others that claim Yoruba. The truth is Nigeria is such a crowded space it is impossible to imagine that we are not all linked so the idea of any pure people is just fantasy.
Why is it called Olukumi and not Yoruba .Because really there is nothing like Yoruba and I daresay the same applies to Igbo

But Yorubas claim the Yoruboid groups in Kwara and Kogi and even though a Yoruboid group is more likely to claim Yoruba than an Igboid group doing same with Igbo, there is no gain saying that people feel affinity to groups that that share a lot with.

I also agree that there are no pure people and by understanding that, you will understand how ethnicity differs from tribe.

omonnakoda:
You claim it is a dialect of the Igbo language.What is the Igbo Language? Is there such a thing

Why are Yorubas not claiming Ugbodu people in the same Delta state who bear names like Ifeanyi but speak what sounds like Yoruba, First we must define "IGBO LANGUAGE" I know may who would dispute that there is such a thing

In my previous post, I referred to it as "The language referred to as Igbo" because I knew you would ask me what is Igbo language. To make it simple Igbo language is any language that is at least 50% intelligible to the language spoken by Onitsha natives. Thats a definition off the top of my head.

Yorubas will not claim Ugbodu because even though they migrated from somewhere in today's Ondo state, they speak Igbo more. Very few of them speak Okukunmi. On the othrr hand, Abavo, where Oliseh is fromfrom is not recorded as a settlement of people that migrated from somewhere in the south east and they speak that language that is similar to what is spoken in Onitsha.

omonnakoda:
We are speaking English here........ I can feel English all day long ,it won't make me English .We were colonized.Is there a suggestion that some colonies are now trying to find themselves in the East?

You have another language other than English which is presume is Yoruba. So, that rules out feeling like an English. Where Oliseh comes from, they only know one language and it their dialect of the Igbo language.

omonnakoda:
The reality is we do not have a documented history so the question of what it means to be "Igbo" is not quite the same as what it means to be a black person. Are we talking of those who speak a language,have cultural attributes or is there a genetic basis. How many small groups have actually disappeared or dissolved into larger groups because they were too small or too weak to assert their identity . e,g the Egun people in Lagos will probably disappear if they are not "protected" . What is the definition of "Igbo" many approach it from a very superficial level but the truth is colonialism has wounded all of us. What is most likely is there were thousands of peoples in Nigeria and they have been deleted slowly over time while the most dominant remain

We're saying the same thing. That's why I said that the opinions of people who claim or disclaim being Igbo should be respected. If being Igbo was genetic, we would have put all these argunent s in who is Igbo to rest but its not. Being part of an ethnic group is just a sense of belonging coupled with the similarity in culture. There's no gain saying that Oliseh speaks a dialect of what is referred to as Igbo but since he doesn't feel like an Igbo then he is notm. But another person from his village who feels Igbotic is Igbo. So, it all boils down to individuals and not groups.

Odkboy23:
tyrant and sense8 are interesting but it depends on the kinda series u do like.


Tyrant has a good storyline but I hate the main character (bassam) for his dull acting in season one but he seems to have improved in season two.

sense8 is great, it might feel boring from the first episode, but just try u might like it.

He was supposed to be dull. That's what his character was supposed to portray.

dubylhover:
it seems yu guys dnt really understand d story behind bassam...he isnt dull,its just that he has done sum evil things..thats y he left abuddin,dat place always brings out d worst in him..he is d main tyrant sef not even jamaal...his father even knew he has a more wicked heart..

A tyrant is a ruthless ruler. Bassam is not a ruler, so he can't be referred to as a tyrant. Though at some point, he was making Jamal look like a saint. This film sorta reminds me of "Breaking Bad".

omonnakoda:
People are free to be what they want. If there was no Nigeria there would be no Yoruba, or at best they would be just the OYOs in Benin Republic no one calls them Yoruba, By any measure if there was such a thing as Yoruba then Itshekiri would be but it is their call as it is for Sunday Oliseh
The first census that the British did in Lagos identified Ekitis, Ijebus Oyo etc. The Yoruba identity became necessary because of Nigeria . Their kinsmen in Benin are not called so but those alive today are too young to remember. Yoruba really refers to Oyo people and so if an Ijebu man 100 years ago said he was not Yoruba he was right.That does not mean they did not share ancestry culture etc.
I suspect it is the same elsewhere but I am no expert

I understand your position and as much as you're right about the nomenclature that these groups go by, our classification should be based on what is and not what was. If Sunday Oliseh says he's not Igbo, it should be respected like I've always advocated but what irks me is the lies and half truths that are spewed just to support such positions. No need to tell us that you migrated from Benin or you were colonies by Igbos when the reality makes such assertions sound idiotic.

omonnakoda:
Very churlish thing to say "drop our names" The reality is that many groups that call themselves Igbo today never did so before Nigeria was created to the question of ownership of language or names is silly. What about names like Peter and Paul and Marinus that Ibos use everywhere. We speak English and use it on this website does that make us English? This desire to bully and intimidate minorities should be eschewed. He said he is NOT IBO and that is the end of it

There were Igbo groups but they were not under one umbrella as Igbo. The British created the Igbo tag just like they did others. So, I believe that you will have no problem if people from Ogun state say they are not Yorubas just because it's the British that created the tag anyways.

Is it the same Joe Igbokwe of APC?

Nkoli Nwa Nsukka.

modhream:
The State Governor is from the Ika axis,he has never denied being Igbo neither has his father,Pa Okorie Okowa.My friends from Agbor gangan proudly proclaim their Igboness too

Has babangida denied being Igbo? You people should stop this already. Sometime ago, someone said Oliseh was a proud Igbo but today we've seen the contrary. When the time is right, Okowa will tell you that he is not Igbo and like always, you will be crestfallen or of youre lucky he might belong to the less than ten percent who are not ashamed of calling themselves Igbos. So, whether Okowa or your Agbor friends are Igbo is immaterial. What matters is that majority of them don't like the Igbo tag.

asha80:
give me an eg of an itsekiri answering igbo name

Was about to ask the same. I don't pay attention to ignorant people. Anyone who says some Itsekiri people have Igbo names should never be listened to. Never.

Sweetlemon:
Now you have the answer to your question. This is the reason why I feel many of you Igbos need urgent help, urgently! You guys lack basic analytical skills and you use the "they hate us because they are jealous(or whatever)" method of problem solving.
Get over your sorry selves for your own good!

At least you and I agree that you have hate inside of you. The reason for the hate is what you have refused to acknowledge. Accepting it will heal your soul sooner.

Sweetlemon:
Pls what does this character take me for?
Because of an online pageant with zero benefits? Like seriously! Pls stop insulting me. I believe you saw my pictures during the pageant did I in anyway look like someone that is starved of compliments?? That you spend 24/7 on NL does not mean I do. I have a life outside here where I get compliments and endorsements from real life men with real benefits to give me. Now will you.....?

Don't sweat it. I understand your pain. Among all the ckntestants, you were the one whose torso was close to being seeen and you lost to someone who was well covered up and Igbo. Like I said, I understand the pain. You campaigned so much for an online pageant and lost, that must have been very brutal.

phyllosilicate:
bro, I don't know about ikwere or etche. The Ikas ans ukuale hardly claim igbos. But even the aniochas and the Asaba that claim igbos usually deny it when they meet non Igbos. Ask the an Urhobo person what I have just said.
This is not exclusive to them. When I was serving in Abia, a yoruba corper told he met a woman that said she is from the yoruba speaking part of Edo state. I told him there is nothing like that, and he was arguing with me. I met this woman she is from Akoko Edo. Some of them tell yorubas they are yorubas but if they meet us, they would deny yorubas.

In fact, you are right. My point is simple. The Ikas and Ukwuani will tell both an Igbo or non Igbo that they are not Igbo. The Aniocha and Oshimili on the other hand know that they are Igbo and have no qualms with being called Igbo even though they may not carry the Igbo matter on their head like someone from Anambra for example. I have also experienced a situation whereby my Okpanam brother that we have our Igbo chit chat once in a while when in the presence of some ignorant Non Igbos was asked "How come you are the member of a South South group and still Igbo". I tried to help him answer the question by telling these people that there are in indeed Igbo people in Delta state only to be dazed by his response. He said "We speak similar language and I schooled in Onitsha." As you can see, he didn't deny being Igbo bit he wasn't proud of it either. That's the story of a lot of Anioma people. They think identifying with the Igbo tag will limit them in some way.

ngmgeek:
Whatever that means between 0:35 - 0:40 I am sure he will regret or clarify. The anu-ohia who gave him that job may have told him to make that statement but he has opened himself to more scrutiny. Personally, it doesn't make any difference whether he is igbo or not because I don't like him.

So, why give yourself unnecessary headache.

Sweetlemon:
Oh my days!!!!

What happened to you? I have followed your transition since the Miss Nairaland days and your hate for Igbos has grown faster than Usain Bolt and its I'm very sure that pageant was the catalyst. It's very hard to believe that some from the Akwa- Cross axis will hate Igbos with such audacity. Did you get married to someone from outside the old Eastern region? What exactly happened.

phyllosilicate:
Why I hold my view,it because I grew up with them, I attended schools with them till university. Uniben catchment areas consist mainly of Delta and Edo state. If they see an igbo man, they would claim igbo. But if they meet a non Igbo call them Igbo, they would start explaining how they are not Igbos.

I'm not disputing this fact but it will help to state exactly where in Delta state these people are from. Very unlikely that they are closer to Onitsha. I am someone who looks at issues from a logical perspective. I won't argue for instance if you tell me that majority of Ikwerre people dissociate themselves with the Igbo tag but when you look at groups like Etche, despite also having anti Igbo elements, they are not as hostile when referred to as Igbos. In the same way those Igboid groups in Delta state are different. Forget the Anioma tag and analyse them seperately.

phyllosilicate:
true there are some Deltan Igbos that agree they are Igbos, but the majority don't agree. The area I grew up in Benin, had many delta Igbos.

The few times that I have read your comments especially on the Igbo issue, I can see that you are one who uses logic. It's not safe to say most Delta Igbos deny being Igbo. It is safe to say that people from the Ika and Ukwuani axis are the ones who majorly deny being Igbo but not people from Aniocha and Oshimili. Okocha for instance will not come and tell you that he is not Igbo but Sunday Oliseh can do that and they are both from Delta state.

I really don't know which group is most annoying. Those that disclaim being Igbo like Oliseh, the other Nigerians that spur them on or Igbos who can't wakeup to the reality that there are Igboid people who will always dissociate themselves with being identified as Igbo especially if the person is from the Ika and Ukwuani axis of Delta state. It's a reality that some Igbos have just refused to accept. Oliseh says he is not Igbo and he is right because he said s. Whether he was bribed or said it because of oil or the civil war is immaterial. If someone is Igbo the person should be proud to wear it like a crown.

asha80:
who are nairaland igbos?are you generalizing?do you know the number of igbos on this website?...you really to cool and log off nairaland since as you earlier said your entry to nairaland has turn you

Give her a break. She lost the Miss Nairaland pageant owing to the doing of the Igbo organizers. She has the right to vent her anger in anyway possible.

olujegs:
Alhaji Kari has always been known to be the next in line as he was the most senior person right after fola Daniel. So it's not surprising he was named the new commissioner for insurance . It's not a northern thing atall cos everyone in the industry knew he was the right hand man to fola Daniel. I know this fact because I presently work in the insurance industry

Some of you are just shameless.

Any sane person will start getting worried.

naijacutee:
Hi guys,

Sometimes I enjoy cycling to work to get some exercise and to avoid traffic. I live in the UK, and although this isn't very safe here (it's safer in the Scandinavia), I cycle on walking pavements since I would love to return home to my family in one piece. I'd like to know if there are any keen cyclists who out of choice cycle to work, or cycle for leisure in Nigeria. I'd really like to continue cycling when I inevitably move back to Nigeria especially as it is my only serious form of exercise, so it would be great to know what the current climate is like.

Cycle in Nigeria? O girl, no try am. Just respect yourself and go by car. Drivers in Nigeria are not smiling. Besides, we don't have sidewalks like you do in the UK. I love cities that are bicycle friendly.