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mazaje: Those of you that are derailing the thread should pls keep off. . .Why wuna wan spoil the show na?. . .Make wuna no vex abeg. . .

Abeg no vex. Wiegraf let's leave this thread. I created another thread

https://www.nairaland.com/1147211/thread-wiegraf-affiliated-all-other

Why are only 6,000 out of 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars visible to the naked eye under the very best conditions when God created all the stars to give light on the earth?

Genesis
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

wiegraf: *smh*

Simply put, you're a spiritual midget, that's why you cant understand something so simple...

It's really sad. I do, do feel sorry for folk without the holy sp.irit. You have open up and let him in, in all ways, f.ool. You have to form a special relationship with him

I'll pray for you

The basis on which I claim to know and understand the bible more than you is that your default paradigm concerning the bible is that the bible is the perfect word of God and you must interpret all its inconsistencies to the bias you have been programmed with. i however research the bible with a paradigm of what it really is. The work of man [possibly junkies] and compiled by politicians. With this view in mind I see all its glorious inconsistencies for what they really are. The people that compiled the religious books however infused some sort of power into it...
But enough about that. I agree I am a spiritual midget and a fo.ol [At least to you]. So please explain this simple thing that has been revealed to you by the holyspirit for the benefit of we foolish midgets. Why do only six thousand out of 70 sextiliion stars give light upon the earth when God created them all to enable us see at night?

wiegraf: Really? How could one be so wrong? You've read the bible, but have you READ the bible? Clearly not, else you'd know it was not wrong.

Alas, the fo.ol hath said...

Alas the fo.ol hath said the cosmos was specially custom built for us. Take it in good faith that I know and understand the bible more than you

sarutobie: The monk who burnt himself to death without moving a muscle?? Mehn how is that possible? The pain receptors didn't kick in?..well he doesn't need to fear the fires of hell then..just kidding..but that picture gives me the chills..

That's just a stupid joke in poor taste.

wiegraf: But, but we are the centre of the universe. The cosmos was specially custom built for just us....

Are you shitting me? One funny part of the bible is when God created the Sun and Moon and stars to give light upon the earth. Under the best conditions, only 6,000 stars out of an approximate 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 [There are far more than this] are visible to the naked eye. I wonder who all the other stars are giving light to. Its stupid statements like this that will later make man believe such nonsense like the cosmos was specially custom built just for us.
http://articles.cnn.com/2003-07-22/tech/stars.survey_1_sextillion-big-number-universe?_s=PM:TECH

I hope you're just kidding though because it would be sad if you aren't

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Everywhere.
You can't say that something is everywhere and then ask where it is in particular. That is a question born out of poor logic because it cannot be unlimited and yet limited to a point at the same time[/quote]Exactly. That's the answer I was looking for.

1. Everywhere
2. You can't say that something is everywhere and then ask where it is in particular.
3. It cannot be unlimited and yet limited to a point at the same time.

[I take this to mean something that is everywhere can't be limited to a particular place and is nowhere in particular. This is what was being said about God that you kept on arguing about. I rest my case]

advocate666: The bolded is you making things up. How do you know a goat is not capable of processing complicated thoughts? Have spoken to or analysed a goat thought before? Maybe the goat actually processes more complicated thoughts than humans but then decide, like king solomon, that all is vanity, and continue munching his leaves.

True. This Douglas Adams quote intrigues me

"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc., and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

doubleDx: ^Good analogy! To the fish, water will be everywhere and nowhere in particular!

Thank you. I'm expecting Mr_Anony to come and ignore the question and ask me something twisted again. I don't understand why its such a hard concept to grasp. From our point of view, Its like asking what particular point can air be found

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Once you tell me the exact location and dimensions of the sea in question, then I'll tell you the exact location of the water that fills it[/quote]Let's for argument sake assume this sea to be the pacific ocean and let's further assume that for the purpose of this argument, the pacific ocean doesn't have any dimension and its location stretches on to infinity. The sea is all there is. So from the point of view of a fish in the pacific ocean, what particular point in the sea can water be found?

Reyginus: Wonderful. Language is now an approach for knowing truth. Wow! Good for you.

I think what he means is that the soul knows all things and the soul tells the ego or what you know as yourself through intuition

Reyginus: Need I say more? Just one last question. Is their any way one can verify or test the authencity of claims derived from intuition? As in, a way to verify it is not merely coincidental or psychological conditioning?

Well concerning my case, I for one know these occurrences are too frequent to be coincidences. If you don't believe it then the discourse need not be prolonged because there's no middle ground here.
About the verification, there are people who are totally in tune with their soul and can provide you irrefutable evidence if your mind is open enough to accept it. Hell, your pastors and bishops even provide some sort of evidence

Smh

Lol. That's just wrong

Reyginus: Never have I had that intuition is another way to arrive at truth. Don't you think you're over-rating your intuition?

Ever since I started meditating there are tangible things I just know about events or people that I'm in physical contact with. Things like where someone is, in few cases which are becoming more frequent the thought of what someone is going to say next drops in my head. for instance today I was in a car with someone thinking about Mr_Anony and Mazaje's case when suddenly the thought of Tinubu came into my head. What do you know? In the next 2 seconds the person I was with started talking about Tinubu... Things like that. I think its the ego that distorts the message the soul is trying to pass across and with more meditation, less distortion.

And more importantly, i don't think the way to arrive at the truth matters as everyone has their path. as long as the truth is arrived at

I'm sure all other energy should be able to converted to love. Through which apparatus, I'm ignorant of. If you know how this can be done, please enlighten us. It's neccessary to the world

Reyginus: You're still not getting it. There is a difference betweem your stand on the God arguement and the approach you used to arrive to your stand. My concern here is the latter.

Oh. OK. I didn't understand what you asked in that sense. Anyway the approach I used to arrive at my stand is intuitive knowledge. That means I just knew it without a shadow of doubt when my mind went towards that direction. I then did a little research to see if other people knew the same thing... Even before I came across Einstein's work proving that energy can be converted to mass and vice versa, I already knew energy and mass were the same thing.
If I want to sound mysterious, I would say my soul told my ego [benefits of meditation] but let's just leave it at intuitive knowledge.

Reyginus: You didn't get my question. My question is, what philosophical or otherwise approach do you employ to arrive at your conclusions?

One of the definitions of philosophy my dictionary gives is a particular set or system of beliefs. I think I was explaining the difference in our philosophy and why we cannot agree. I already explained my philosophy

[quote author=Mr_Anony]As for God being everywhere meaning that He is nowhere in particular, I don't see that as true. In the same way I don't think it is true to say that water being everywhere in the sea means that it is nowhere in particular in the sea.[/quote]I don't mean to digress but please can you tell me the particular point in the sea water can be found? Emphasis on particular

Billyonaire: 3. How is this soul affixed to the body while you are alive?

Soul is affixed via the silver cord.

I take it you astral project. Nice. Going back to the sidelines

Reyginus: Seriously, I would like to know your philosophical method of inquiry and acquiring?

My philosophy lies in the fact that the smallest indivisible force from which everything is made up of is God. While yours lies in the fact that a big human like being sitting on a white chair in the sky is God. Your God is therefore not everything but just something like the rest of us. From that perspective I can understand why your God cannot be 2 things at once. However my God is everything at once including any of the several big men sitting on white or other coloured chairs in skies and their enemies and us included because we are all made from the same thing which is my God and to the best of my knowledge is pure energy for now. I don't know what you will call nothing but as long as you can think about it, it has become energy

Kslib: Omo see head.. I sure that alien name go be EDWIN.. Abeg,make una dey careful from people with big head oh, cos some na potential alien...
Abeg no offence to all the big headed brodas in da house,i'm just taking safety measures.....

Its very possible that my tombstone would read "Logged into nairaland and died of laughter"

On a more serious note though, you are "attacking the straw man" with all these claims because the initial claim is that God is both everything and nothing which is very accurate because if there is something like nothing then that thing is also God too while your claims are just getting more ridiculous.

Reyginus: Lolol. The arguement is strawman and it is not.

Possibly... In a parallel universe

Reyginus: Haba! I am reyginus and I am sarah.

Straw man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Reyginus: You! You are wiegraf and not wiegraf!

In a sense. Have you ever heard about Ego and real self? Please don't sue me

Get a room people

greatgenius: Good job @ Affiliated... Energy is all there is .. God is all there is and nothing else forever and eternal ..it is all That is.. don't know how many times I have to repeat this...

Thank you and keep repeating it as long as possible.

advocate666: I think he means, "should I start asking nonsensical questions?"

Lol. No knowledge is lost... Even knowledge gained from such questions

Reyginus: Should I indulge or should I not?

Please indulge

Frostyzone: Let's see;
Part of The Law of Attraction, says that all living beings are energy.
The Law of Conservation of Mass says that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
~So basically, you are correct.

I'm glad you agree

unphilaz: Is this the use of words or something else? there is an agreement that energy came from nothing, on another front, it is energy does not come Nothing!!! am i missing anything... sorry i dont intend to digress the thread but this is not adding up?

The subject was evolution or changes in animals over time. And I said the very first animal life form that didn't change from anything prior to it but was a result of pure energy couldnt have evolved from something before it.
Everything is still a result of pure energy though
About the energy part, energy doesn't come from nothing. Energy is all there is, all there has been and all there will be. What we think is nothing is energy. What we know as something is energy. Everything is energy