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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 10:48pm On Sep 05, 2013
dademola: he doesnt hav to say it directly.i'm not judging him yet oo, bt....
Say what you want about Everton, I don't care as long as we're winning, insists Moyes
By DOMINIC KING

PUBLISHED: 09:11 GMT, 3 November 2012 | UPDATED: 09:11 GMT, 3 November 2012

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David Moyes has launched a staunch defence of his tactics and admitted he 'doesn’t care about criticism' so long as Everton keep winning.

The fallout from the Merseyside derby saw Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard and manager Brendan Rodgers comment on Everton’s approach – Gerrard later retracted his words – but this is not the first Moyes has seen his team criticised.

Sir Alex Ferguson also accused Everton of playing long balls on the opening weekend of the campaign but Moyes says he has paid no attention to disparaging remarks. He is thrilled with the way Everton are performing and wants them to continue at Fulham.

Happy to prove people wrong: Everton's manager David Moyes says he will take criticism while Everton are still winning
Happy to prove people wrong: Everton's manager David Moyes says he will take criticism while Everton are still winning

'I really don't care what people are saying about us,’ said the Scot. ‘We have to keep doing what we are doing, which is getting results. I think people who have watched us will say we're playing really well.

'But more importantly if you ask our fans they'll tell you they're happy with the way we're playing, and ask managers - they'll say they are impressed by what we've achieved. I genuinely don't bother. The facts prove it's not the case (that Everton play long balls).

'I don't actually care how we win so long as we win [/b]but we have been doing it in style and I think our football has been outstanding at times, it really has. [b]I watched Chelsea play Bayern Munich in the Champions' League final and they didn't come out at all, they hit it long.

Star signing: Kevin Mirallas has played a key role in Everton's good start to the season
Star signing: Kevin Mirallas has played a key role in Everton's good start to the season

'But they are European champions. That means they played the right way on the night. There are different ways of playing. The most important thing is to win.’

Part of Everton’s transformation this season has stemmed from the outstanding impact Kevin Mirallas has made since his £5million arrival from Olympiakos in August, the Belgian’s pace, dexterity and eye for goal have quickly made him a terrace favourite.

He was outstanding in the 2-2 draw with Liverpool and there is reason to believe Everton would have actually won the Merseyside derby had Mirallas not been forced off at half-time with an ankle problem. Moyes is confident he will be fit to play at Craven Cottage.

Man of many positions: Moyes likes players like Steven Pienaar due to their versatility
Man of many positions: Moyes likes players like Steven Pienaar due to their versatility



'Kevin has gives us another dimension,’ said Moyes, who beat off competition from Porto and Arsenal to sign the 24-year-old.’ I’m surprised, if I'm honest, at how quickly he's settled in, because I was worried at the start of the season he wasn't ready to play 90 minutes in the Premier League.

'Yet he seemed to relish the challenge in the derby and in some of the tough away games we have had there have been real signs. You can see he can be a top, top player. His record of scoring goals is really good too, and I think there is that to come from him.

'Maybe in the second half of the season we'll see that from him. He can play in any of the three positions across the front line. I like that about us: we have some versatility, because (Steven) Pienaar can play in different positions too and we want options and alternatives.

'We want to ensure we are not one-dimensional in games. Kevin is coming to terms with the Premier League now. Every single game here you have to grind out a result. Mybe where he has played before, there have been a few ‘gimmes’ when you can ease off. You can't do that here.’http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2227224/David-Moyes-does-mind-criticism-Everton-winning.html
bro i think u should cut moyes some slack on this one.until he proves me wrong i will give him d opportunity to show us how he intends our players to play.
it is very possible he was merely utilizing the resources he had at everton the best he could,now he has better players and more flair at his disposal he might be willing to play more attractive football.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 9:08pm On Sep 05, 2013
omo zaha just missed a sitter for england u21s

he is not playing too badly though.would like to see nani on the right and zaha on the left for a few games
i think that would be our best wing pair going forward but mayb not immediately
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 10:25pm On Sep 04, 2013
oh boy no be small thing!
wolverine couldnt have done a better(or worse) job than phil jones shocked
was rooney trying to head a grounder?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 1:25am On Sep 03, 2013
mithel: chai , nawa o , i just checked shocked

if crime now, tiago would be extended to tiagodele God dey
lol na so o.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:50am On Sep 03, 2013
coogar: woodward faxed the papers too late but i think the FA can give concessions for fax machines jamming & stuff. united can make applications for an extension. if we don't get him, woodward should make sure i don't see him in manchester.


BBC update 12:30:

Ben Smith, BBC Sport COENTRAO UPDATE
"BBC Sport has learnt that Manchester United did submit their paperwork for their season-long loan deal for Fabio Coentrao before the 2300 BST deadline. But the move will only go ahead if both United and Real Madrid entered the correct details of the deal on Fifa's new transfer matching system. The deadline for that system closed at midnight."
the club is being run by a bunch of dunderheads !
i blame david gill and ferguson for this mess, they had lots of input on who was to succeed them and how the transition was to be handled.It should have been a staggered and incremental change rather than this sharp handover that left the ship in the hands of midshipmen-quality sailors
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:45am On Sep 03, 2013
on a lighter note just heard that the new liverpool signing tiago ilori is tiago ABIOLA ILORI ....LOL
u should hear the way the media have latinised his surname to sound european cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 9:20pm On Sep 02, 2013
coogar: @MUFC_Family01: BREAKING NEWS: Ozil has failed his medical at Arsenal due to a dust-induced asthma attack after being shown the trophy room.
LOL. cheesy

haaa david gill did us bad thing o.why didnt he just wait for 2 or 3 extra months
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 9:13pm On Sep 02, 2013
LOL

on another note seems nick powell is going on loan to wigan
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 8:11pm On Sep 02, 2013
yup fellaini handed in a transfer request.
that is d only deal i am almost 100 percent sure will get done.
the herrera deal seems to have stalled at d moment and d others are mostly rumors
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:35pm On Sep 02, 2013
[quote author=♛AndrERush♛]Best bet are Fellaini and Herrera.[/quote]yes.i think herrera is under rated.my only issue with him is the acclimatisation/physicality question and he does have some discipline issues PLUS he tackles A LOT and in these days of card happy referees thats not necessarily a good thing

but going forward he is more ambitious than sideweays cleverley and will be able to improve our transition game while carrick sits
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:25pm On Sep 02, 2013
[quote author=♛AndrERush♛]Berbatov was always going to move on. He wasn't an integral part of the team anymore, he barely even played the previous season. If we hadn't signed Van Persie we would've gone for other strikers.

We all know Ozil is a very good player, no doubt. But we have more pressing issues than getting an attacking midfielder. We need to strengthen the central midfield first, if there's still money to get Ozil, then by all means.[/quote]totally agree
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:21pm On Sep 02, 2013
coogar: buy ozil first - raid any bottom club with a decent hatchet man and we are sorted. there are millions of players like herrerra in the french league. not to many ozils in the world. getting the scarce commodity first should be the main priority - the herreras can wait till 11pm.
well lets see what happens .
Fellaini,Herrera,Ozil,De Rossi etc 2 of them should come in
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:12pm On Sep 02, 2013
coogar: yes, it's mccarthy.....



he would be doing the basics - screen the back four, get stuck in and release the pass from 5 yards. we are not asking him to throw raking passes or score goals. young fletcher was like that here....he wins the ball & let scholes deal with the pass. carrick was also like that when he first joined us if he's playing alongside scholes - they all let scholes deal with the distribution. this wigan lad would be a steal!

https://cdn.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Carrick-McCarthy.png



we had rooney, berba and hernandez when we signed van persie. players like ozil are not always available. if there's a chance to sign him, just do it especially if he's joining a title rival. had van persie joined city last season, they would have won the title.
i think we should strengthen central midfield first but u have a good point there.
truth is if we buy ozil i will be very very ok with it but it should be as an addition to a central midfielder not instead of a central midfielder
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 4:48pm On Sep 02, 2013
coogar: yes, that guy was as good as carrick if not better than last season. he cannot be more than £5m. he would reduce his wages to play for us sef.

martinez is trying to take him to everton - i am thinking they are waiting for us to take fellaini but mcarthur can be the missing link in that midfield.
thats McCarthy (the younger one) not Mcarthur.
he was quite good last season,but its a big step up from Wigan to United as Valencia has proved.i need to see more of him
Ozil is a good player but his best position is behind d striker where we already have Rooney and Kagawa jostling for position.our priority should be someone who can play with Carrick in central midfield but has more in his locker going forward than Cleverley
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 4:16pm On Sep 02, 2013
superstar1: Report indicates Anders Herrara has lowered his wages from GBP4mm to GBP3mm in his bid to get his move to United
yes i read same thing.seems d guy is very interested in coming to United.thats a first ! cheesy
last last last we don see babe wey like us
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 3:54pm On Sep 02, 2013
hopefully herrera or another quality CM coming will send cleverley to the bench where he belongs.
and i really believe some bench time will do him some good.like some have said he showed some promise initially
but he has now being infected with d spirit of sideways and backward passing AND he he is not aggressive enough in his forward play.

having such a player partnering carrick in midfield has placed too much pressure on our wingers to offer the creativity we need but unfortunately they also suffering from their own malaise at d moment .

@Ruudie its not like fans are panicking (at least i am not) and its not even the results BUT i struggle to remember a stretch of games in which United have struggled so badly to create chances.right from preseason its been the recurring decimal in our games,the lack of chances created for an increasingly frustrated strike force esp RVP.

the last match was like watching Everton playing in United jersey.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 8:00am On Sep 02, 2013
as a winger if you make ZERO dribbles in a match and u make ONE accurate cross out of NINE like Ashley Young did you know u had a tough day at the office.

while there has been so much said about our lack of creativity from central/attacking midfield an insidious problem developing is the lack of quality wing play from our players.

when a team has wingers that are unable to deliver an accurate cross (Young,Valencia), unable to beat a man (Giggs), and unwilling to even take their marker on (Young) then you know that Manchester United wing play has gone to the dogs.

I believe in the medium term starting shirts will go to Zaha and Nani
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:15am On Sep 02, 2013
coogar: young of today was better than everyone in the midfield that started the game.
makes for interesting reading.
however whoscored.com gave ashley young the 2nd lowest player rating in our team today,only higher than RVP
maybe because young had 0 dribbles, 0 shot on target, and just 1 accurate cross from NINE attempts!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 10:36pm On Sep 01, 2013
SailorXY: I think Fergie purposely left this midfield this poor to satisfy Giggs' quest for "breaking records" cuz aint no way you'll have a Dembele, Witsel, Pogba, Pastore, Hazard, Essien & several other missed CM targets on the bench only to start Giggs in CMF
true.though that pastore na jobber! common french league he dey struggle like person with marasmus.he is the major problem PSG
struggle to break down teams cos thats what he was brought in to do.allowing pogba to leave was a bad mistake,already looking better than all our midfielders AND he just STARTED developing
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by afrodoc(m): 6:10pm On Sep 01, 2013
chamotex: Arsenal don't need players abeg
cheesy u wan start kasala
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:53pm On Sep 01, 2013
this moyes na were o.
so even with rooney injured kagawa cold not get a place on the bench?
AND he started an elder like giggs? what message does that tell the rest of the squad?
that a soon to be 40yr old player-coach who has been playing woefully is preferred to start important matches?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:32pm On Sep 01, 2013
coogar: it remains to be seen.....
if we are not around the 1st/2nd position by christmas then we can start worrying...



young did better than carrick/cleverley in the first half. carrick had a pass completion of 69% in the first half, i have never seen him that poor. no real support for van persie - the crosses were too close to the goalie or blocked by the first man.



vidic is not comfortable with the ball at his feet!
he's so unsure of himself - he's too stiff! he takes forever to decide what to do with the ball. rio is just plain lazy - a defender of his experience should be communicating where he wants his midfielders to receive the ball.
just correcting ur statement that vidic is left footed.we all know he is not comfortable with d ball at his feet
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by afrodoc(m): 5:24pm On Sep 01, 2013
mithel: spurs are playing shit, possession doesnt win you games, at the moment they have over 60% of it and arsenal's chances have been more threatening ,kinda reminds someone of one yeye german team that wont gree they were very inefficient undecided
yeah they do need to be more direct the way andros townsend is going on d right
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:19pm On Sep 01, 2013
[quote author=Mr_TA]I'm more irritated by the fact Giggs started this match while Moyes just said he had to choose between Kagawa and Nani for one place on the bench than anything else. angry[/quote]is dt what he said?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:09pm On Sep 01, 2013
coogar: how was young poor? he made the first cross as early as the 2nd or 3rd minute. he kept the ball well, retained possession and if evra had been more clever with the ball, something would have come out of their combo in the first half. young's side of the pitch was our only penetration in the game until nani/valencia were reunited!



giggs/nani? mention one cross delivered by giggs - in short, mention one good thing giggs did today. it was young pinging one volley that was blocked outside the box. young did better than anyone in the midfield that started the game.







the people making the backpasses take the blame - vidic is a left footer, if the ball is put to his right foot, he struggles. my problem today was the lack of mobility in the midfield - vidic/rio had no one to pass to when trying to distribute. it's the reason they make back passes - cleverley & carrick kept hiding instead of making themselves available to receive passes.
I agree that giggs was poor,but young did not exactly cover himself in glory either.

FYI Nemanja Vidic is RIGHT FOOTED
just that he plays on d left side of defence usually cos he is more comfortable there than d other centrebacks apart from mayb evans
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by afrodoc(m): 5:04pm On Sep 01, 2013
remove capoue and bring on lamela .
i wan make we play music for here too today cheesy

dayo ,no lock up instruments o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 4:48pm On Sep 01, 2013
coogar: young was very good...
minus his mistake of getting caught on the ball that led to the liverpool corner. we still had time to defend that corner, rio allowed agger to steal the header & sturridge just flicked with his head into the net....
young was poor.he kept getting the ball backing his marker and as a result kept passing the ball back to vidic and rio

giggs and nani on the other hand were able to face the full backs even if their final ball was inconsistent.

vidic had a near howler back pass and rio was partially culpable for the goal after young's mess up.
poor performance all round
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 3:54pm On Sep 01, 2013
[quote author=♛AndrERush♛]Guys I know it's a bad result, and the performance wasn't up to scratch. But we shouldn't start panicking just yet. Our performance at Anfield the last couple years haven't been much better than this. Although we won there last season, but you and I would agree it was down to a little fortune. Even with 10 men, Liverpool still bossed us for a large part of that game last season.

This result won't define our season. Winning the league doesn't depend on us winning the big clubs(although it feels good to win them, for pride).

I'm sure Moyes knows we are lacking some quality in midfield, hopefully they can get one or two quality players In by tomorrow. No need to go overdrive with negativity. Still early doors.[/quote]nice one.good talk
but our wingers are all off form or unfit and u know how much we depend on good wingplay plus we are not even creating any chances at all
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 3:30pm On Sep 01, 2013
debosky: Some people were seeing 'positives' from the nonsense of Monday. I hope y'all see some more positives in this performance.

I dey go bring my gangan drum.
debosky see as u dey be like bebelube?
better no talk yet cos i foresee spurs nacking u guys deep seated apako today

meanwhile is it a sin to see positives and negatives? cheesy
unlike gunners who keep seeing silver lining at subterranean levels grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 3:22pm On Sep 01, 2013
capricornian: TO THINK THIS TEAM IS GOING TO PLAY CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
omo i dey fear o.
e b like say this moyes na one chance coach sha
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 2:31pm On Sep 01, 2013
elampiro: The hub is clearing missing- Rooney. No one to hold the ball & cordinate. Except De Gea, Vidic & Valencia, everyone else has been clueless.
bros go sit down! not everything is about rooney angry
u sounding like an overplayed and broken record
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 2:21pm On Sep 01, 2013
chamotex: How terrible can Giggs get? angry angry angry angry angry
he can get worse than this.the legs have just plain gone now and he was never the greatest or most careful passer of the ball.
i am almost certain he wont last until the end of the season,its becoming so obvious he is past it.watch out for a gary nevillesque mid-season retirement

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